Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video)

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Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video)

Posted by Roblimo on Friday September 21, 2012 @02:51AM from the my-exploits-are-better-than-yours dept.

This video is a half-hour speech given by Dino Dai Zovi and Charlie Miller, two people Apple corporately hates because of their success in finding security holes in Apple operating systems and software. Both Charlie and Dino have been mentioned on Slashdot before and probably will be again. This is a chance to see how they sound and look in person, talking to a small "by invitation only" group. They have a book to push, too: The iOS Hacker's Handbook. (Please note that this book is supposed to help you secure iOS and iOS apps, not exploit security holes in them.)

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Silly and inflammatory by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-21 02:56 · Score: 5, Insightful

Seriously... why the inflammatory headline? other than creating link bait. Why would Apple hate them? They're doing the R&D on security for them...
1. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Cutting_Crew · 2012-09-21 02:57 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.
2. Re:Silly and inflammatory by aristotle-dude · 2012-09-21 03:03 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.
  No, he was banned because he deliberately violated the terms of the appstore by creating a tool that collected end user information instead of disclosing the issue to apple.
  
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3. Re:Silly and inflammatory by jo_ham · 2012-09-21 03:03 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Actually he got banned for breaking the store terms and conditions, not for discovering a security hole.
  The headline is just linkbait - Apple does not hate people who discover security holes in its software, it's quite the opposite. They take time to mention and thank people who find specific bugs in their security update notes and have been doing for many years when they close that particular hole.
4. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Americano · 2012-09-21 03:40 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Funny thing is, at about 50 seconds into the video, Charlie says, "The good thing about Apple is, it's only a 1 year ban, where I'm banned from Google for... lifetime."
  Huh, imagine that. I guess Google must "corporately hate these guys" even more than Apple!
5. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Americano · 2012-09-21 03:46 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Only a moronic company would punish someone for pointing out a security problem to them.
  You do realize that Google banned him for life, whereas Apple only banned him for a year... right?
  May we safely conclude that you hate Google and their products with the fiery intensity of a thousand supernovas, given your screed about Apple?
6. Re:Silly and inflammatory by whosdat · 2012-09-21 05:35 · Score: 2
  
  I've searched for many different combinations of "charlie miller", "banned", "google" and "playstore", but all I found was his ban from Apple and his research on NFC and Playstore bouncer vulnerabilites. Is there something I've missed?
7. Re:Silly and inflammatory by whosdat · 2012-09-21 05:50 · Score: 2
  
  Ah, missed it at 50 seconds in the video, but still can't find any details. Their blog post on Bouncer hack mentions they've "been in touch with the Android security team and will be working with them to address some of the problems weâ(TM)ve discovered" and their NFC hack didn't need any Google account at all. May be someone can find more?
8. Re:Silly and inflammatory by thoughtlover · 2012-09-21 05:52 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  I found this:
  Dr. Miller admits to being banned from the Google app store as well. In fact Miller's wife was also recently denied a developer account by the Google Play Store.
  here: http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/438/1/
  
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9. Re:Silly and inflammatory by BasilBrush · 2012-09-21 08:51 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  No, as I said, it's amazing how reasonable you have become now we find out Google issued a bigger ban than Apple did. It's a shame your original post was littered with shouting and multiple exclamation marks and sarcasm, and you didn't show your reasonable side from the outset.
  Now, just for fun, given that this is the very same security researcher, can you give me an example of what he could have done that would make Google's lifetime ban for him and his wife reasonable. (In the light of a 1 year ban for breaking ToS being unreasonable.)
Apple should love them by ackthpt · 2012-09-21 02:57 · Score: 5, Insightful

Even go so far as to pay them. Finding these holes should be done before harm happens. Futher, Apple should review their coders who leave the gaps in and train (or sack) them.

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Hate? by cultiv8 · 2012-09-21 03:01 · Score: 5, Informative

Is that why Apple gave them free early-release copies of OS X Lion and invited them to test?

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1. Re:Hate? by Desler · 2012-09-21 03:04 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Stop bringing facts into this!!
2. Re:Hate? by Ixitar · 2012-09-21 03:05 · Score: 2
  
  This just shows the article submitter's bias.
3. Re:Hate? by macbeth66 · 2012-09-21 03:21 · Score: 2
  
  And richly deserved. They've become the new Microsoft with their 'our way or the highway' mentality.
  I have a lot of respect for what Steven Jobs has accomplished and envy for his money. However, the business tactics he instilled at Apple and that his successors have promelageted are reprehensible. I do what I can do steer peiople away from all things Apple.
4. Re:Hate? by ColdWetDog · 2012-09-21 06:40 · Score: 2
  
  Evil Vortex?
  Evil Vortex?
  Please disconnect from the Internet before you do yourself a mischief.
  
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Scumbags by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-21 03:07 · Score: 5, Funny

All they do is hurt Apple's good name. Apple needs to have these idiots sent to prison, something they should be doing more of during this global assault of this proud American corporation.
Talk about a stupid headline... by arkane1234 · 2012-09-21 03:24 · Score: 5, Informative

That headline is pretty damned stupid. It's like the stuff I've seen before on internet scams
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"The U.S. Government hates this guy - see how one guy never pays taxes!"
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