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Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video)

Posted by Roblimo on from the my-exploits-are-better-than-yours dept.

This video is a half-hour speech given by Dino Dai Zovi and Charlie Miller, two people Apple corporately hates because of their success in finding security holes in Apple operating systems and software. Both Charlie and Dino have been mentioned on Slashdot before and probably will be again. This is a chance to see how they sound and look in person, talking to a small "by invitation only" group. They have a book to push, too: The iOS Hacker's Handbook. (Please note that this book is supposed to help you secure iOS and iOS apps, not exploit security holes in them.)

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  1. Silly and inflammatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously... why the inflammatory headline? other than creating link bait. Why would Apple hate them? They're doing the R&D on security for them...

    1. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 4, Informative

      well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.

    2. Re:Silly and inflammatory by aristotle-dude · · Score: 5, Informative

      well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.

      No, he was banned because he deliberately violated the terms of the appstore by creating a tool that collected end user information instead of disclosing the issue to apple.

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    3. Re:Silly and inflammatory by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually he got banned for breaking the store terms and conditions, not for discovering a security hole.

      The headline is just linkbait - Apple does not hate people who discover security holes in its software, it's quite the opposite. They take time to mention and thank people who find specific bugs in their security update notes and have been doing for many years when they close that particular hole.

    4. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Americano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny thing is, at about 50 seconds into the video, Charlie says, "The good thing about Apple is, it's only a 1 year ban, where I'm banned from Google for... lifetime."

      Huh, imagine that. I guess Google must "corporately hate these guys" even more than Apple!

    5. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Americano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only a moronic company would punish someone for pointing out a security problem to them.

      You do realize that Google banned him for life, whereas Apple only banned him for a year... right?

      May we safely conclude that you hate Google and their products with the fiery intensity of a thousand supernovas, given your screed about Apple?

    6. Re:Silly and inflammatory by thoughtlover · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found this:

      Dr. Miller admits to being banned from the Google app store as well. In fact Miller's wife was also recently denied a developer account by the Google Play Store.

      here: http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/438/1/

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  2. Apple should love them by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even go so far as to pay them. Finding these holes should be done before harm happens. Futher, Apple should review their coders who leave the gaps in and train (or sack) them.

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  3. Hate? by cultiv8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is that why Apple gave them free early-release copies of OS X Lion and invited them to test?

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    1. Re:Hate? by Desler · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stop bringing facts into this!!

  4. Scumbags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All they do is hurt Apple's good name. Apple needs to have these idiots sent to prison, something they should be doing more of during this global assault of this proud American corporation.

  5. Talk about a stupid headline... by arkane1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That headline is pretty damned stupid. It's like the stuff I've seen before on internet scams

    "Doctors hate this bodybuilder - see how he keeps growing 20 lbs of muscle per week!"
    "The U.S. Government hates this guy - see how one guy never pays taxes!"
    "Women hate this doctor - find out how to get any women you want by taking this new secret pill!"

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