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Ask Slashdot: Ideas and Tools To Get Around the Great Firewall?

New submitter J0n45 writes "I will soon be traveling to mainland China. While I'm only a tourist, I will still be working freelance for a company back home. I know for a fact that a large amount of the websites I need to have access to on a daily basis for business reasons are censored by the Great Firewall of China. I have been using the Tor Browser for a while now for personal purposes. However Tor has been blocked by China. I was wondering if a personal proxy (connected to a computer back home) would do the trick. Would I be too easily traceable? Basically, I'm wondering if I need to try random public proxies until I find one that works or if there are any other options. What does Slashdot think?"

218 comments

  1. Breaking laws by Mkaks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    - While I'm only a tourist, I will still be working freelance for a company back home.
    - are censored by the Great Firewall of China

    What does Slashdot think?

    That you are
    1) Breaking immigration laws by working while on a tourist visa.
    2) Breaking laws by trying to get around the web censors and doing something not allowed.

    Honestly, if you are just going to China to break their laws, why not just stay at home? If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country. They are welcoming you as a visitor and yet you are just going to be breaking laws.

    1. Re:Breaking laws by ottothecow · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Can't he just use a corporate-style VPN?

      I was under the impression that China was perfectly willing to let this go so that American business travelers had no trouble doing business with them. Maybe not some "shady" roll your own linux vpn...but some Cisco product? Why not?

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    2. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Errr, so when I'm at a resort in Mexico and feel like cranking out a few lines of code because I actually like my job, I'm breaking the law? That's either messed up or a gross misinterpretation.

    3. Re:Breaking laws by Overunderrated · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, if you are just going to China to break their laws, why not just stay at home? If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country. They are welcoming you as a visitor and yet you are just going to be breaking laws.

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
        Martin Luther King Jr.

    4. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, it does set a bad example because you are representing your home country.

      If I had to break the law of any country I was visiting, it would not be China.

    5. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I came here to say just this...

      Sure you may not like their laws. But you should at least respect what they want? You are a guest there. This is different than being oppressed by those laws. You are basically going there with the explicit intention of breaking their laws. You should hope they dont figure out who you are and just deny you entry once you hit their shore...

    6. Re:Breaking laws by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Depends on if you went there to conduct business or not.

      If you went there with the express purpose of conducting business then it is illegal because you obtained a visa under a false pretext.

      No one is going to arrest you for laying around doing nothing on a business visa, but you may run into legal problems if you go do business on a tourist visa.

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    7. Re:Breaking laws by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Irrelevant to the discussion. He wasn't asking if he should do it, or why it would or woul dnot be disrespectful.

      Frankly, I am in the camp who says... if a country doesn't respect free speech, then why respect them at all? Good for him disrespecting them, they don't even respect the free speech rights of their own people...fuck their government.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    8. Re:Breaking laws by evilviper · · Score: 1

      That's the way to go, BUT be sure you have more than one. On multiple occasions, we've lost the VPN connection with our China office.... Couldn't ping our VPN IP address from China, and vice vera... BUT all our other IPs were perfectly reachable. After a few days, everything was back to normal.

      This is all with business IPs on both ends, I have no idea if the Firewall will be more strict with personal internet connections, or dynamic IPs, but I'd want at least a completely redundant backup connection (Landline and cellular maybe?) for when your usage gets flagged and you can't work.

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    9. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

        Martin Luther King Jr.

      Ah, a very ironic statement, considering there is hardly anything moral about accessing the internet these days...something tells me this statement was for a far loftier purpose than ensuring that porn habits are fed while traveling.

    10. Re:Breaking laws by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I would actually rank the Philippines higher on my list of countries to not fuck up in vs China.

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    11. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While this is a stereotype, like most stereotypes it is true in a general sense ...

      Anyone who thinks leetspeak is cool and uses it in their user id isn't really worth discussing things with. The level of maturity associated with such people is right around 14-15 years old. They fall into the same category of people who use terms like WindoZe or Micro$oft or still think that sites like The Pirate Bay are things we should keep around because 'it isn't theft!' or 'I downloaded linux from TPB its not for warezing!'

      Expecting the submitter to act curtious and mature is pointless. He is just a selfish spoiled brat who doesn't think the rules of the world apply to him because he can come to slashdot and ASK SOMEONE ELSE how to solve his problem.

      He's not even bright enough to use freaking SSH like everyone else in China does to get around the problem.

      Whats better is the fact that slashdot is posting this crap is a good way to make the Chinese think even less of our behavior than the already do.

      What should happen is this little punk should be reported in such a way that his visa is revoked immediately. Acting like a prick to another country just reflects badly on the rest of us, and I certainly don't appreciate that.

    12. Re:Breaking laws by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      - While I'm only a tourist, I will still be working freelance for a company back home.

      - are censored by the Great Firewall of China

      What does Slashdot think?

      That you are

      1) Breaking immigration laws by working while on a tourist visa.

      2) Breaking laws by trying to get around the web censors and doing something not allowed.

      Honestly, if you are just going to China to break their laws, why not just stay at home? If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country. They are welcoming you as a visitor and yet you are just going to be breaking laws.

      I was under the impression that people doing a bit of remote work for the home office while on vacation was an entirely normal and legal state of affairs(if an unfortunate corruption of genuine vacation time...) If he were doing work for a Chinese outfit, or work in China on behalf of home office, that would be a quite different state of affairs...

    13. Re:Breaking laws by Bahumat · · Score: 2

      Because that invites reciprocation of that attitude from other countries. Most people tend to get angry when foreigners from anywhere come into their country and intentionally disrespect the local cultural mores and laws.

      I'll give you an easy, hyperbolic example:

      By that same argument, how do you feel about Sudanese refugees performing female genital mutilation just down the street from where you live? How do you feel about them snorting in contempt at you when you show outrage, saying: "If a country doesn't respect my cultural norms, then why respect it at all?"

      Etc. Etc.

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      "To pass through the jungle; silence, courtesy, ferocity, as the occasion demands." -- Kamau, "Proper Passage"
    14. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country.

      Yes. Unless you are a Mexican illegally entering the US. Then lots of brainwashed morons will defend your actions, give you access to free government services, hell lots of them even want you to have drivers licenses and vote(!).

      Those same brainwashed morons have never taken a look at Mexico's immigration laws. I know they haven't because if they did they'd shut up. Well then maybe I give them too much credit. Since when does being completely wrong and totally hypocritical ever make a moron shut up?

    15. Re:Breaking laws by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

        Martin Luther King Jr.

      And one has a vested interest in remaining under the radar of Chinese law enforcement. Or any other country's law enforcement, for that matter, especially a foreign country's.

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      Hyperbole: I use it liberally!
    16. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then one also has a moral responsibility to liberate those living under unjust laws anywhere, and impose one's own code of "just" laws on other people. There is no moral difference between traveling to another country with the intention of breaking their laws, and invading that country to overthrow the government which imposed those laws - the only difference is one of degree.

      Dubya, is that you?

    17. Re:Breaking laws by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

      Martin Luther King Jr.

      Ah, a very ironic statement, considering there is hardly anything moral about accessing the internet these days...something tells me this statement was for a far loftier purpose than ensuring that porn habits are fed while traveling.

      Porn is much, MUCH loftier than the desire to censor it.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    18. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Good for him disrespecting them, they don't even respect the free speech rights of their own people...fuck their government"

      I some guys have the same attitude about their religion and use boxcutters to ruin some buildings in _your_ country, then it's completely different I guess.

    19. Re:Breaking laws by causality · · Score: 2

      Because that invites reciprocation of that attitude from other countries. Most people tend to get angry when foreigners from anywhere come into their country and intentionally disrespect the local cultural mores and laws.

      I'll give you an easy, hyperbolic example:

      By that same argument, how do you feel about Sudanese refugees performing female genital mutilation just down the street from where you live? How do you feel about them snorting in contempt at you when you show outrage, saying: "If a country doesn't respect my cultural norms, then why respect it at all?"

      Etc. Etc.

      While I don't generally oppose the point you are making (and I agree that the original poster's idea is a bad one), there is a flaw in your illustration.

      Female genital mutilation has a victim. Accessing a forbidden Web site that is censored by insecure governments for political reasons does not. The two crimes are not in the same league. When law enforcement stops the former, they are protecting human rights. When law enforcement stops the latter, they are infringing human rights.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    20. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breaking unjust laws is not distasteful. It is a moral imperative.

    21. Re:Breaking laws by waltmarkers · · Score: 1

      Because people that censor don't deserve our respect or compliance. Information wants to be free. And one day, so will the people of China.

    22. Re:Breaking laws by icebike · · Score: 2

      Errr, so when I'm at a resort in Mexico and feel like cranking out a few lines of code because I actually like my job, I'm breaking the law? That's either messed up or a gross misinterpretation.

      First, the Mexican's won't care, Ok?

      Second, doing incidental work for your regular job while on vacation isn't against the law in any place I'm aware of. Nobody said you couldn't take a call or answer email while on vacation. But intentionally traveling on a tourist visa with full intent to spend most of your time working amounts to lying on your visa application.

      Interacting with the locals (buying/selling/hiring/or being employed) in such a way that it takes away a local job is what every country is trying to prevent. If your employer wasn't going to hire a mexican national to fix the accounts receivable reconciliation routine, and you are dumb enough to do that instead of sucking down a cool one while girl watching on the beach, I'm sure they don't care, as long as you leave money in their country.

      But the Original poster stated"

      that a large amount of the websites I need to have access to on a daily basis for business reasons

      Really? A "LARGE" amount of websites on a DAILY basis for BUSINESS reasons??? On a Tourist visa? That says visa Fraud right there.

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    23. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One planet goddammit! Fuck anybody and everybody who wants to take away our rights! Time to stand up to ALL authority!

    24. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but I have travelled to China many times for both work and pleasure (from Canada).

      I was advised that as long as I wasn't signing any contracts or performing services for chinese companies, that I could travel on a tourist visa, and continue with my regular employment responsibilities while I'm gone (including visiting with employees of our Chinese subsidiary). I'm not 'doing business in china' when I am simply continuing to do my regular day job. It's not much different than people continuing to answer work emails while they're travelling on vacation in china.

      Trying to get past the firewall is another issue however. That is clearly not allowed, and you'd be subject to their laws and rules. That being said it is extremely common for tourists to sidestep the firewall through simple proxies, etc in order to access the resources they're used to. In fact many reputable hotels in the major centres offer unfiltered internet access for their clients. It depends on the city and the ISPs involved, but it was common in my experience. That doesn't mean it's legal. It just means it's not terribly likely to cause any issues for you. But it's all at your own risk, and everyone's risk tolerance is different...

    25. Re:Breaking laws by tapspace · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe not some "shady" roll your own linux vpn

      I was in China for 10 months, and I used a "shady" roll my own linux vpn (I mean, I didn't roll my own software, I used OpenVPN), and it worked fine. It was faster and cheaper than my friends' solutions.

      Obviously, it's a good idea to have a backup to access the web for debugging (openvpn.net is blocked in China, go figure!). Ixquick.com or Startpage.com are great for a super simple proxy fallback.

    26. Re:Breaking laws by racermd · · Score: 2

      It sounds like he's going to be doing freelance work for companies back home while he's visiting China on his own time. This doesn't sound like he's going to China specifically to work there. If he picks up a freelance job from back home, from a company back home, who will pay him back home, who cares what he does with his time in his own hotel room in China? As far as they're concerned, he's simply enjoying his time visiting China.

      That said, I wouldn't want to risk violating Chinese law by trying to get around their national firewall, either, for ANY reason. Additionally, I would be highly suspicious of the customs officials in both China AND the U.S. - neither government is exactly friendly with regards to computers entering/leaving their borders.

      If I were the one visiting China, I would leave most of my electronics at home, buy what I need/want locally while I'm there, and finally re-sell them before I leave.

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      My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating. -- Ashleigh Brilliant
    27. Re:Breaking laws by causality · · Score: 1

      Breaking unjust laws is not distasteful. It is a moral imperative.

      That's one half of civil disobedience.

      The other half? It's also imperative that you be willing to suffer the consequences of the crime.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    28. Re:Breaking laws by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      It would if he weren't being paid by a US-based company for performing work on probably US-based sites. He isn't going to execute any business work for locals.

    29. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
            Martin Luther King Jr.

      Even MLK might have had second thoughts about that if he'd spent time in a Chinese prison.

    30. Re:Breaking laws by sosume · · Score: 1

      Use a remote desktop of a computer physically located in the US. That way, you can do anything you want without breaking any law.

    31. Re:Breaking laws by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      I'm under the impression that a vibrator is legal, gay marriage is a right and carrying guns is legal, but I could come up with many more examples of things that are considered normal on one country and are forbidden in another.

      But... When going to Rome, the follow Roman law or don't go to Rome.

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      Privacy is terrorism.
    32. Re:Breaking laws by Creepy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not sure about multiple VPNs, but I have coworkers that were able to connect to my work VPN just fine from their hotels when in China. A proxy would work, as well, but you'd want to use https for an encrypted connection. Either way requires a certificate, and the only free way to do that that I know of is create a self-signed certificate and give your browsers exceptions (I haven't looked into this in years, maybe there are free options).

      Also AFAIK tourist visas don't stop you from doing business at home, you just can't do business in/with the country you are in. If the original poster is correct and I am wrong, I know of hundreds of people that have broken various laws, including me, by replying to business emails on vacation in foreign countries (when you're the first point of contact and nobody else can do what you do, there rarely is a true vacation).

    33. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me add also that you should be extradited while they still have you right there.

      The Gaul of us westerners is quite amazing. At home we have all sorts of laws in the name of this and that but other countries can't have their own way of dealing their own problems -- we should bring democracy to them.

    34. Re:Breaking laws by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Female genital mutilation has a victim. Accessing
      > a forbidden Web site that is censored by insecure
      > governments for political reasons does not.

      On the other hand, that's a very Western perspective.

      I suspect a lot of people in China would argue that political dissidents victimize the entire nation and culture, which is a great deal worse than victimizing one person.

      I would disagree with them, as I assume you would too. To my way of thinking, non-violent political "dissidents" (i.e., people who entertain views that are at odds with those of the major political leaders) are if anything beneficial to society (perhaps not on an individual basis in all cases but collectively as a group they are beneficial, and attempting to weed out the non-beneficial ones would be harmful, because somebody would have to be empowered to determine which was which, and that would lend itself to severe abuse, and thus the most beneficial "dissidents" would likely be the most thoroughly quashed). That's how I look at it -- but I have lived my entire life in America, so you would rather _expect_ me to see it that way. Most Westerners do, because Westerners value diversity of thought and a variety of different ways of looking at things much more than we value conformity and groupthink. We like to have somebody to argue with, so we can exercise our rhetorical skills. That's a major part of our culture, going back at least to classical antiquity, if not earlier.

      Nonetheless, if you're going to visit the Chinese people in their jurisdiction and treat their culture and their laws as unimportant because they do not match your own views, then we're right back where we started.

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    35. Re:Breaking laws by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” Martin Luther King Jr.

      Even MLK might have had second thoughts about that if he'd spent time in a Chinese prison.

      You mean, the same MLK who was fucking murdered for saying such things, knowing it would be his fate the entire time?

      Maybe you're just a big pussy.

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    36. Re:Breaking laws by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      âoeOne has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.â Martin Luther King Jr.

      Even MLK might have had second thoughts about that if he'd spent time in a Chinese prison.

      You mean, the same MLK who was fucking murdered for saying such things, knowing it would be his fate the entire time?

      Maybe you're just a big pussy.

      It's really easy to urge another person to risk personal danger when you're sitting safely behind a computer screen in your mother's basement.

    37. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. That other half seems to be forgotten lately, when people equate bootlegging a movie to the civil disobedience of prior generations.

    38. Re:Breaking laws by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      âoeOne has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.â Martin Luther King Jr.

      Even MLK might have had second thoughts about that if he'd spent time in a Chinese prison.

      You mean, the same MLK who was fucking murdered for saying such things, knowing it would be his fate the entire time?

      Maybe you're just a big pussy.

      It's really easy to urge another person to risk personal danger when you're sitting safely behind a computer screen in your mother's basement.

      Informing someone that they're a big pussy in comparison to MLK does not equate to "urging them to risk personal danger," but thanks fer trollin', er, playing.

      Also, my mother doesn't have a basement - you shouldn't assume everyone on the planet shares your particular living arrangement.

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    39. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting around the Great Firewall, okay, that's probably not advisable, but a business visa is for actually doing business with entities in the host country, not for bumming around the globe emailing chapters of your latest novel to your editor in New York.

    40. Re:Breaking laws by causality · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, that's a very Western perspective.

      I doubt very much that the girls who have their genitals mutilated - typically without anesthesia - against their will feel like their lack of consent is merely a Western idea.

      I suspect a lot of people in China would argue that political dissidents victimize the entire nation and culture, which is a great deal worse than victimizing one person.

      It takes a very cowardly, insecure person to feel so threatened by the mere presence of a different opinion and perspective. Cowardly, insecure people often try to compensate for this by acting quite fierce. Only a secure person can truly adhere to a "live and let live" philosophy. What is true for the person is also true for the group and the nation.

      That's how I look at it -- but I have lived my entire life in America, so you would rather _expect_ me to see it that way. Most Westerners do, because Westerners value diversity of thought and a variety of different ways of looking at things much more than we value conformity and groupthink.

      Just as you might say that Nation X is more technologically advanced than Nation Y, it's perfectly fine to say that one nation is more socially advanced than another. A country where peacefully expressing a dissenting opinion could get you imprisoned, physically harmed, or even killed is a backwards country. I tire of the ridiculous levels of relativism where everything is equally valid all the time, just "different". I doubt very much that the peaceful Falun Gong practitoners who were arrested, beaten, and worse (i.e. Tiananmen Square) felt that their oppressors were simply different. I very much believe they felt it was injustice. They didn't have to live in the USA to acquire that point of view.

      Incidentally I think you overrate Western individualism. The only thing most people seem to do with it is to surrender it for the sake of conformity based on whatever is popular. We just have a wide variety of groups to which it can be surrendered.

      I believe groupthink is worse when the members of the group falsely believe that they are extremely individualistic. In much of America, individualism is something to which we give lip service but actually being much different from the group is a great way to find out how petty and small-minded many people actually are.

      It goes to ridiculous lengths in its expression. Did anyone else notice that suddenly, almost overnight, people started making mistakes like writing "loose" instead of "lose", where this was a very rare sight a few years ago? Of all the typos one could make while fingers move across keyboards, consider the likelihood that large numbers of people would all make this particular mistake. It's just an example, and not even a terribly good one, but when people cannot even make their own mistakes anymore, individuality is very much in question.

      Or better yet, consider obesity. How do such large numbers of people all decide (not deciding IS a decision) to eat more calories than they burn all at once? There is no central coordinator and no formal conspiracy. They merely mimic each other. I mean, to become morbidly obese you first must become slightly obese, then moderately obese, then finally morbidly obese, over time. At any one point the person could say "you know, I keep doing the same thing and I keep getting the same result. If I continue along this course, I will continue to get the same result: gaining weight. Perhaps I should change something?" but they don't. After all, no one else is.

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    41. Re:Breaking laws by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      What he said.

      The correct answer to the OP's question is:

      1. Don't plan to work remote while a tourist in China. Treat it the same as you would a trip to a country without readily available communications infrastructure.

      2. Plan any business activities around what's lawful in China. If this makes you less effective, so be it. China's government has determined that they and all business operating within China will pay that cost.

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    42. Re:Breaking laws by fadethepolice · · Score: 1

      Your reply make no rational sense because you are not actually responding to what the guy said and what he is doing is not illegal in china. This guy is responding to work requests from his job in his home country. I doubt that is illegal in china or a violation of the visa he is there on. If he had said "I'm going to china on a tourist visa, but I'm actually going to stand on a corner and pick up some day labor work." And then he followed it with "Once I get established, I plan on overstaying my visa." then what you are saying would make logical sense, and would actually be related to the discussion the rest of us are having. What you seem to be doing is changing the basis of the discussion to something you feel obliged to harp on about to the rest of us in order to parrot an established belief system you feel the rest of us are too stupid to figure out. Even if the guy was looking for a job in china, it would be more effective and make more sense to jail the citizens of china who with full knowledge systematically break the law by hiring illegal immigrants. On your second point regarding web censoship. I am not sure people go to jail in china for violating the web censor. It's a technological solution to their goals. My guess is that china has instituted this technological solution, accompanied by prosecution of large scale violations of it by internet cafe's or dissident organizations. The idea that china wants to jail americans for watching youtube videos is pretty silly. Arresting foreign national for a systematic structural issue with your own country is not an effective way to solve a problem, you have to get government to reign in large scale corporate lawbreakers to have any real effect. The fact that this was modded insightful is rather disturbing.

    43. Re:Breaking laws by pla · · Score: 1

      I find it simply fascinating how on every tech-oriented blog - And increasingly, even in infotainment news aggregator sites like Slashdot - we have every question met with some form of a moralistic "don't do that".

      If you don't have an answer, don't give one. If you have it - Give it. Save the moralizing for Sunday mornings.

      I don't give two shits if you want to get arrested in China, if you want to run a P2P client on your university's network, if you want to get fired for viewing porn at work. Everyone knows those things count as "wrong". Just answer the goddamned questions, or don't; but not one... single... person will ever suddenly say, "Oh! You mean China doesn't just use that as an IQ test to reach the real internet? Well gol-lee, color my face red!".

    44. Re:Breaking laws by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      I don't know anything about immigration laws and censorship laws in China, but about this:

      If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country. They are welcoming you as a visitor and yet you are just going to be breaking laws.

      The proper analogy is somebody going to the USA and breaking some copyright laws because he watched some youtube videos and perhaps seeded a few movies on bittorrent... It's "illegal", but hey, everybody does it, and it's part of life.

      I live within driving distance from the Great Firewall (i.e. Hong Kong), and I know many people in China who get on private VPNs or proxies to visit Facebook etc.. The number of locals in China who do this on a daily basis must be in tens of millions. I'm not sure there's even a precise "law" that says you can't do this, the kind of attitude towards "law" in China is "whatever the government says", or even "whatever the higher ups seem to be saying through their vague directives".

      I wouldn't lose sleep over this, especially if you're a foreigner. As for "distasteful", well, unless you're talking about government officials, then *maybe*. In fact, if you ask the locals how to do it (especially the ones who speak English and have seen the world abroad), they'll probably happily teach you some ways to circumvent the GFW. They even have a name for it, "Fan Qiang" (literally, "Climb-Over Wall"). It's understood to be "against the rules", but many people do it, more as an inconvenience than something "immoral", and it's not like you're going to insult their mother if you happen to need to access foreign sites.

      Of course, take all this anecdotal experience with a grain of salt.

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      Don't quote me on this.
    45. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Breaking immigration laws by working while on a tourist visa.
      2) Breaking laws by trying to get around the web censors and doing something not allowed.

      1) Breaking immigration laws by .... working is prohibited only if working in China. No laws prohibit working remotely for companies in US. Prohibition to work is intended as a protection of local workforce and local market.
      2) Breaking laws by trying to get around ... as I understand, the only issue is related to get access his personal needs. There is nothing about dismissing prohibited information to Chinese people.

    46. Re:Breaking laws by ukoda · · Score: 1

      If you think this is about porn then you don't understand the difference between blacklist and whitelist filtering. Only a whitelist system will effectively block porn, but also would render the Internet unusable to the point bussinesses would be affected and export lost along with jobs. China uses blacklisting, filtering by domain name, IP address and strings in URLs. So as a result finding porn is never going to be a problem. If you are addicted to social networks then the blocking of Facebook and Google+ is going to be fustrating.

      Personally I find the blocking of Google a pain. Some days I will find searching will just simply not work for few hours. Sometimes they block Google Maps and it can cost local businesses money when I can't locate find them. I live in a city of 4M people. Google Maps has every street and much commerial information, very handy until it's blocked. Bling thinks my city has 2 roads, a sick joke. The Chinese online maps don't susport English.

      So to get arount in China bypassing the Great Firewall of China is a must. If you are a Linux user and have SSH access to a server in a free country then that's the best option, there is how to links in other posts. SSH is sometimes blocked but it's very rare and short term. If you live here then keep a SSH connection up 24/7 because it's new connections that get blocked for a few hours at a time, where as the connections that are up will normally stay up.

    47. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I typically enjoy reading any sort of "slashdot/china" postings as they are usually full of half-truths and the like. Inevitably they become some sort of "the US is better because we don't censor".

      Its interesting as the US has some level of censorship, its just implemented differently.

      Take a few examples:
      - Its surprising to listen to US radio and hear "censored" versions of songs which other country's play.
      - The whole topless/nudity indecent exposure laws which many counties allow are a form of censorship/freedom of expression.
      - "Hate crime" laws which limit freedom of speech.
      - Firing/suing people who write/post/publish things you don't like.

      Why do you plan to go there and break their laws? The great firewall debate is not a "moral" question for you to ask. THEIR country THEIR laws. If you dont like Chinese laws or disagree, why not consider any number of other places in the world you can visit? I would think the expectation is that visitors to the US to obey US laws, why cant you follow theirs?

      I own a home in China, and have been there many times. Its a great place to travel with a lot of interesting things to see and do. Take some time off, relax and enjoy yourself.

      For what its worth, I have spent a bunch of time in any of the Chinese internet cafe when i am there. To be honest i have never found a site which was "banned" but i never went looking either, just casual browsing.

    48. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should mod this down. It's not breaking immigration laws to work for a company in your home country via the internet while on vacation.

    49. Re:Breaking laws by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      This! Word of advice for anyone traveling abroad. Smile (fake it if you have too) and say thank you. But whatever you do, don't get on law enforcements shit list for you are a foreigner in foreign land.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    50. Re:Breaking laws by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      When you travel abroad, you shouldn't be breaking the local laws. It's not so much out of respect of the host nation regardless of the legitimacy of the government in question, but rather for your own protection. If you don't wish to risk getting into trouble, I would advise anyone not to travel at all outside their home country.

      If for any reason you don't agree with the host's laws. Too bad. Let the diplomats and politicians work out it. As a civilian, it's not your job so please don't make it so. Again, if you feel that you can't maintain self-control because of conflicting values, it's best if you do not travel. Protest at home if you must, just not over there. And if you decide too anyways, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

      Now if we as a nation were in engaged in war. Screw it, their laws don't mean shit anyways ;)

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    51. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that China is a place that is governed by the rule of law, and it's just simply not the case. The locals here have very little respect for the law simply because in many cases there is very little recourse for being wronged. This is in large part because there are no meaningful tort laws here. Your respect for the law is admirable and very western of you, but as they say in China: "TIC" (This is China). That is not to say you can violate any law, but if you are here for a while you will get a better sense of which laws you should follow and which laws are here just to prop up the illusion that this is a civilized country.

      Working on an inappropriate visa teaching English is extremely common, possibly even more common than working on a legit visa. Is there some risk? Yes, possibly, but it's not a large risk. Seems like there is some kind of short term visa you can get that is not much more difficult than a tourist visa, but permits you to be at companies so that you reduce your risk even further. Freelancing by remote is highly unlikely to have any risk whatsoever, and your income will not likely come through a Chinese bank, so you should be just fine.

      Regarding VPNs:
      99% of all expats living in China use a VPN. A large number of the locals use VPNs as well. I've heard of folks using freegate andothers. There are many online services that over paid VPNs for a low fee. Personally I use an account on a vps server and that seems quite reliable for me.

    52. Re:Breaking laws by grainofsand · · Score: 1

      It may not be where you come from, but it is here.

      --
      A dream is good. A plan is better.
    53. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female genital mutilation has a victim. Accessing a forbidden Web site that is censored by insecure governments for political reasons does not.

      That's a bit of a biased viewpoint you have there. In what way are the politician's not victims of your illegal attempts to sully their reputations by seeking the truth?And as an aside, how is female genital mutilation any worse than the male genital mutilation that is widely practiced by your society?

    54. Re:Breaking laws by Molt · · Score: 1

      Information just phoned me, it wants you to know it hates being anthropomorphized.

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      404 Not Found: No such file or resource as '.sig'
    55. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? A "LARGE" amount of websites on a DAILY basis for BUSINESS reasons??? On a Tourist visa? That says visa Fraud right there.

      Wrong. He's doing freelance work for a company in America. A business visa is required for visitors who intend to work directly with a Chinese company. I should know, I have had multiple business Visas (renewed every six months, with a mandatory trip to Hong Kong each year) for the past 3 years. You haven't, nor do you understand what the real differences between a tourist visa and a business visa in China.

    56. Re:Breaking laws by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      1) Breaking immigration laws by working while on a tourist visa.

      Who says that's breaking the immigration law? Foreigners with "L" tourist visas inside Mainland China can certainly earn income outside of Mainland China if they so desire. They would not be breaking any laws.

      Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so take my words with a grain of salt.

    57. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, if you are just going to China to break their laws, why not just stay at home? If you still want to continue then don't break immigration and other laws in the country you are visiting. It's not only illegal but greatly distasteful towards the host country. They are welcoming you as a visitor and yet you are just going to be breaking laws.

      You haven't been to China, have you? I didn't think so. Breaking the laws is a part of Chinese culture. Either the laws are not enforced or simply unknown for most people. It's a whole different ballgame here. Paperwork? It's not trusted. You'll be surprised when it's even checked at all. Give you an example, that I and nearly every ex-patriot living here can attest to. In Beijing, posted in each community, is a large sign informing you that foreigners need to register their address in China within 48 hours. Oh shit! You forgot, you are a month late registering your new address. FUCK!!!!! Calm down, ignorant one. Walk into the police station, give them the papers, they'll print you out a registration slip. Boom, you're done. They don't even check to see if you violated the 48 hour grace period. They don't want to be bothered. Don't even get me started on drugs. You wanna get high? Several foreigners and even some Chinese are growing weed in their little backdoor gardens. Problem? No, it's , mei wen ti, which translates to "No question/problem." The Chinese often treat the concept of a problem and a question as one in the same. Just how trustworthy is Slashdot when it comes to advice or information about China? The fucking website can't even display Chinese characters in a post.

    58. Re:Breaking laws by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Maybe not some "shady" roll your own linux vpn...but some Cisco product? Why not?

      It's funny you should say that, but to the Chinese authorities, and to everyone else who's not american, Cisco is now the poster boy of shadiness.

    59. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like standard politrucking to me.

      1. You are perfectly free to work on your vacation or travels. You may not be employeed by a Chinese company or organization, or do work for them, but maintaining your US hosted web site? Sure.
      2. Thousands of corporations and individuals use VPNs everyday in China. If you are a foreigner, it is perfectly fine. See for instance the Astrill terms of service.

      China is a one party state with a notoriusly bad record on due process. It's laws are made to keep that party in power. In effect, everybody is guilty of something, so that the party could use the law to get rid of you. However, as long as you don't challenge the party or its position, it does not care about you.

      Taking the moral high ground on obeying laws, but not considering the morals used in making those laws, seems unresponsible to me.

      For the original question: You are looking for goagent. An English speaking howto is available here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/105689766/Viva-Google-Viva-Goagent

      I've tried several good solutions, like Astrill, HMA and SSH-ing to ISPs. In my opinion, goagent is the best.

      If anyone is interested in the current state of China and its ruling party, I recommend this:

        * http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/mark-kitto-youll-never-be-chinese-leaving-china/
        * The Party, by Richard Mcgregor
        * The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang

    60. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually, he is not working for a business in China. He would not be breaking any immigration laws.

    61. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a related note.
      I am a Chinese businessman traveling to the US for a few months.
      I really like liquids.
      How would I best go about carrying some of my favorites liquids on board the plane?
      All tips are welcome!

    62. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're expected to be reachable on your vacation, you don't actually have a vacation.

      At least that's the law where I live - the company has to allow you a certain amount of vacation time every year, and time that you are expected to be "on call" or reachable does not count towards it.

      You might want to check up on that... A friend I mentioned this to managed to use it to squeeze a substantial raise out of the company under the threat of turning off his cell when he left the office each day and suing them for wrongful termination if they tried to do anything about it.

    63. Re:Breaking laws by Omniskio · · Score: 1

      The are few actions as admirable as circumventing censorship laws.

    64. Re:Breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "in your mother's basement" If I had 50 every time I saw this stock phrase used in a discussion about China's laws, I'd be richer than Zong Qinghou.

    65. Re:Breaking laws by fufufang · · Score: 1

      Technically you are not breaking Chinese law by browsing those "banned" websites. The official explanation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is that the Chinese Internet is "fully open and the Chinese Government manages the Internet according to the law." (http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/xwfw/s2510/2511/t555340.htm)

      I don't think anyone has been convicted under those Internet regulation, because somewhere in the Chinese constitution says that freedom of expression should be protected. Normally people simply disappear then get charged under something that's not Internet related.

      Anyway, I really don't think the Internet polices in China are bothered by you.

    66. Re:Breaking laws by Archenoth · · Score: 1

      Apparently Private Internet Access (VPN) is quite a popular way of getting around the great firewall of China...

      It costs money, but it's pretty cheap, and apparently quite a reliable way to work around the firewall.

      My only recommendation is to set it up before you get there since it requires OpenVPN, and http://openvpn.net/ is blocked within China. (The website, not the service)

      --
      The arch foe.
    67. Re:Breaking laws by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      I have to agree, you obviously are aware that you need to bypass the firewall....
      if you need to send sensitive information, then use a regular email account but encrypted files...
      if you just need access to a website that has your p0rn stash and is blocked, just wait till you get home.

      In case you are not aware, Chinese Law is very severe, and having a non english court appearance
      could make it difficult for you to know you are being properly represented.

    68. Re:Breaking laws by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > rather for your own protection.

      Exactly.... so its up to you whether you decide to protect yourself in that way or not.

      > Let the diplomats and politicians work out it. As a civilian, it's not your job so please don't make it so

      I don't care for such distinctions. You may consider me a civilian, I consider myself a soldier in the global war for human rights, both here and abroad. Those diplomats are as much the enemy as anyone else, and they do not, in any way, represent my feelings on just about any issues.... fuck them too.

      > Now if we as a nation were in engaged in war.

      We? I would appreciate if you leave me out of your nationalist wars. I don't believe in their righteousnous and would prefer that I didn't even have to support them financially... alas I do, but I would prefer not to use the term we. You may consider it your nations war, I consider it only my nations disgrace.

      The only war I recognize the legitimacy of is one against abusive powers, not by them

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    69. Re:Breaking laws by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      - While I'm only a tourist, I will still be working freelance for a company back home.
      - are censored by the Great Firewall of China

      What does Slashdot think?

      That you are
      1) Breaking immigration laws by working while on a tourist visa.
      2) Breaking laws by trying to get around the web censors and doing something not allowed.

      Mmm. I don't think that immigration laws forbid (or even CAN forbid) getting a job from some company outside the country then coming in-country to do your job, only getting a job while in-country (that a citizen might be able to fill). Though their intelligence agencies may consider it spying or corporate espionage.

      More importantly I'd be afraid of bringing police / prosecutorial attention to myself by circumventing the firewall. Extra-territorial detention ANYWHERE is not pleasant, and don't expect they'll go easier on you because you're American. You can bet that they will be sure to be offended that you believed you had the right to come to their country and flaunt their laws.

      --

      THINK! It's patriotic

    70. Re:Breaking laws by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Yes, we all used VPNs in China, some of them only cost $5.00 a month and give relatively good service.

      As for the parent , I kind of agree with him. It gave me great pleasure when some people I knew in Thailand got busted working there with a work visa, not that I was mean about it, but I had deliberately refused payment for work there, I had an agreement where my work was reimbursed with travel costs, trips around the country for free, all kinds of things I wanted to do, rather than being paid money.

      As for his idea of "working " in China, as long as his employer and his pay does not take work away from Chinese people there is really no problem.

      And VPNs are legal, they just let you get out, but still your communications are filtered and censored, they can come and get you if they want, when they want.

      --
      Subversion of spatial scale luxury decoration ideas.
    71. Re:Breaking laws by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > I doubt very much that the girls who have their genitals
      > mutilated - typically without anesthesia - against their will
      > feel like their lack of consent is merely a Western idea.

      I'm sure there are some -- but every society has a few individuals who disagree with some of the society's social mores. In general, however, I think you'd be surprised. One of the key reasons FGM is so hard to stamp out is that a lot of the mothers and grandmothers, who had it done themselves, are *appalled* at the notion of their daughters and granddaughters not having the procedure. The opposition to change in this matter is if anything stronger among the women than among the men, in many geographical areas.

      Also, you completely missed my point about the difference between individualistic Western cultures versus collectivist Eastern cultures. You're upset about a crime committed against individuals, but you have no respect for laws designed to protect all of society.

      As I said, I disagree with the Chinese position. But you would expect me to -- I was raised in the West.

      > I tire of the ridiculous levels of relativism where everything is equally valid

      Oh, yes, me too. I never claimed that. Certainly, some cultural views, even though they are held by many people, are objectively wrong. Both Eastern and Western cultures have problems -- but they have *different* problems. The tendency to lawlessness, and the willingness to easily dismiss another culture's laws as "backwards" without really understanding them, is a notable problem in Western cultures. I'll go one further: it's not just a problem: it's wickedness, a wickedness that we in the West are particularly prone to.

      With that said, the East is certainly prone to some wickedness of its own. Since you brought up FGM, I'll throw that out as a fairly clear-cut example (pun not originally intended, but as soon as I wrote it I realized... and I'm going to let it stand).

      > I doubt very much that the peaceful Falun Gong practitoners ...

      That was admittedly rather dumb. If the Chinese government had simply issued an official statement that "Falun Gong may be stupid, but it's not illegal, as long as you don't break any actual laws; if you do break laws, you will be treated like anyone else who breaks the same laws", nobody outside of China would ever have heard of it. Because they actively persecuted it, it became significantly more attractive to people who wanted to rebel, ideologically.

      The Great Firewall is also an inherently unwise policy, IMO.

      But just because you disagree with a law does not mean you should go out of your way to break it, when you are in the jurisdiction where it is the law. If you can obey the law with a clear conscience, you should. It is, after all, the law, and the rule of law is necessary to a functioning society.

      (For the record: there *are*, at least potentially, laws that you *should* break, laws that specifically require you to do something morally wrong. China used to have at least one such a law -- one that I'm aware of -- but has toned it down substantially since Mao died, thank goodness.)

      > Did anyone else notice that suddenly, almost overnight, people
      > started making mistakes like writing "loose" instead of "lose",
      > where this was a very rare sight a few years ago?

      For some reason, that one doesn't bother me too much; however, I do still wince every single time I see "they're" and "their" or "its" and "it's" or "your" and "you're" or "cite" and "site" and "sight" interchanged, so I can sympathize with your annoyance.

      Nonetheless, if you think we have too much groupthink in America, you would probably be best served staying out of eastern Asia. When it comes to pounding down every nail that sticks up, they make us look like rank amateurs. If an American got fired for not staying after work on his own time to participate in group calisthenics, for example, an army of lawyers would crawl out of the woodwork and have a field day.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  2. Sure - don't go by GerryGilmore · · Score: 0

    Let's be real - China is a Communist dictatorship, period. Yes, they furnish most of our consumer (and soon industrial) products, but at the end of the day they are a totalitarian dictatorship and if you plan on going there, keep that foremost in your mind. Unlike even the RIAA, they will shoot you dead if you screw with them.

    1. Re:Sure - don't go by bigredradio · · Score: 1

      Unlike even the RIAA, they will shoot you dead if you screw with them.

      Yet.

    2. Re:Sure - don't go by zethreal · · Score: 2

      Exactly this. I have a relative that went there on vacation with 20 or so friends. They were walking around late in the evening & turned down a "wrong street" they were all arrested & held for no reason for several days. My relative & his friends think that the only reason they were released was because it was such a large group. When they were released, they were told to never travel without a guide again & make sure they didn't go down that road.

    3. Re:Sure - don't go by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's be real - China is a Communist dictatorship, period.

      Well, let's be real, then. The Chinese Communist Party is "communist" in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is "democratic".

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    4. Re:Sure - don't go by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Well, let's be real, then. The Chinese Communist Party is "communist" in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is "democratic".

      I should clarify, in both cases, it's a word they use for propaganda purposes, not a reflection of their actual ideology.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    5. Re:Sure - don't go by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Unlike even the RIAA, they will shoot you dead if you screw with them.

      If OP is an American, not likely, if only because they don't want to annoy the US government. Now, if he's from, say, Nepal, all bets are off.

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    6. Re:Sure - don't go by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. China is a fascist oligarchy. Fascist in the Mussolini sense of merged state and corporate power, as well as the lack of any individual rights. And an oligarchy, in that it's ruled by a party and not an individual.

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      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    7. Re:Sure - don't go by jonadab · · Score: 1

      In fact, China has real, actual Communism in its history and is still in the process of recovering from that.

      But yeah, it's still called a "Communist" country now for largely political reasons that have little to do with their current economic policies.

      Saying that communism is bad and doesn't work would be tantamount to saying that Chairman Mao was wrong about his entire philosophy of government, which in China is roughly the equivalent, politically, of going to America and proclaiming that Abraham Lincoln was a complete moron and a horrible President. Worse, actually, because in addition to your political career it could also end your life. So instead the Chinese government says that communism is wonderful, as long as it's done in the Chinese way -- and then they define the Chinese style of "Communism" to be whatever the current economic policies are, totally irrespective of whether anybody would have called that "Communism" when Mao was still alive. Semantics. Western governments mostly play along, because we have several _other_ objections to the Chinese style of government, so having people think of them as "Communist" and therefore evil doesn't really cause any major problems here -- well, not any more it doesn't. There was the whole "Only Nixon can go to China" thing, but that's in the past now.

      So it's a holdover, old terminology that no longer strictly applies but we continue using it anyway. That's a bit different from the North Korean situation. There was _never_ anything even _remotely_ democratic about that government.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    8. Re:Sure - don't go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you let me know which city or town is that, and when did that happen? I always thought that could happen in Russia or NK only.
      (I'm a Chinese living in China.)

    9. Re:Sure - don't go by shiming927 · · Score: 1

      The ignorance of login doesn't make me a Coward...

  3. SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just ssh into a box back home, and tunnel all your traffic through that. Easy, I doubt they are blocking port 22.

    You can google it yourself hopefully.

    1. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      About two years ago I had a friend that was in China for a length of time (6 months). I set them up with an SSH account on my home system which they were able to use as a SOCKS proxy using PuTTY. You can even download PuTTY from within China.

    2. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Based on my firewall logs, they not only don't block port 22, they actively encourage it!

    3. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in China four years ago I found that internet access depended on where I was. In the middle of bumfuck nowhere, lots of sites were blocked. In Beijing, only explicitly political sites were blocked. Unless the OP is in the business of politics, I'd be surprised if he had trouble accessing anything he needs for his business.

    4. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run it on port 80 too.

      IP-over-DNS always seemed like an interesting idea, since you could even use it for sending traffic through 'wireless capture portals' - where you must first pay/login, but DNS requests pass through fine.

      http://slashdot.org/story/00/09/10/2230242/ip-tunneling-through-nameservers

      I was too lazy to set it up, and seems like it'd be too slow for any serious work, but it's a neat idea.

    5. Re:SSH by wurp · · Score: 1

      I run my ssh service on port 443 to get through more firewalls. I believe they could check traffic patterns to see that it isn't really https, but I'm not sure they do.

    6. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is by far the easiest way.
      ssh -D 50000 user@host.com (then port 50000 is then your SOCKS proxy...)
      One idea is to setup an Amazon EC2 server.. they will give you a micro instance for a year for free, even after that it is quite affordable.

    7. Re:SSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a server being hit by SSH login attempts, traced it: came from china.
      If they don't have to courtesy to protect people outside China while censoring the people inside China... I just blocked the entire IP range.

  4. Bait by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the Great Firewall engineers are looking for some free security pointers from the rest of the world. Any idea we come up with will be blocked before this schmuck gets over there.

    But seriously, you should just take a real vacation and not work. Or cancel the vacation and stay at home, working. Better to play it safe and not end up in Chinese gulag for the next 30 years.

    --
    sudo make me a sandwich
  5. SSH by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Informative

    I hear that the Chinese won't stop you from SSHing to a system outside of the country. You can turn SSH into an ad-hoc VPN if you'd like:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN

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    Palm trees and 8
  6. Well, not really a dictatorship by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    More like an oligarchy.

    1. Re:Well, not really a dictatorship by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'd call it a moderately totalitarian hierarchical oligarchy.

      China is becoming a fairly business-friendly place (which incidentally is why using a VPN will probably work, although that's just one very small example), which is why the word "moderately" is there. Attempting to do business in a highly totalitarian state is usually a bad idea.

      Note that "business-friendly" does not necessarily imply "friendly to foreign political views." China is a place where I would recommend being extremely _vague_ if anybody asks you anything about any of your political views.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  7. Don't. by martinux · · Score: 1

    I am by no means an expert in this but the question has been asked before here and I agreed with the overall sentiment: Don't break the law.

    The Chinese government will ensure that you regret being caught.

    1. Re:Don't. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I am by no means an expert in this but the question has been asked before here and I agreed with the overall sentiment: Don't break the law.

      The Chinese government will ensure that you regret being caught.

      Unless a great deal goes on under the radar, team China appears to have minimal interest in interfering with the VPNs of foreign business travelers. They occasionally crack down on somebody as part of a quasi-mercantilist spat between a local company and a foreign competitor, or to inform a news entity that it really should be self-policing a bit harder, and industrial espionage shenanigans can't be ruled out; but such travellers tend not to be politically threatening and so not very interesting.

  8. Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And although I will be going as a tourist, I still need to be able to regularly import large quantities of heroin and cocaine. However, this isn't allowed according to US law, so can anyone suggest how I can circumvent this law largely because I don't accept it and want to carry on with my massive heroin and cocaine habits while there...

    Local laws, whether you believe they are right or not, follow them if you want to stay out of jail.

    1. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Jeng · · Score: 2

      And although I will be going as a tourist, I still need to be able to regularly import large quantities of heroin and cocaine. However, this isn't allowed according to US law, so can anyone suggest how I can circumvent this law largely because I don't accept it and want to carry on with my massive heroin and cocaine habits while there...

      I can't help you with large quantities, but otherwise I recommend FedEx.

      --
      Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
    2. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      And although I will be going as a tourist, I still need to be able to regularly import large quantities of heroin and cocaine

      Charter private jets, then you will not have to deal with airport security.

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    3. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Jeng · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by godless+dave · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Right, because importing hard drugs is morally equivalent to circumventing censorship.

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    5. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airport security is a lot more lax than customs.

      I'd rather take my chance with the TSA drones.

    6. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, yes it is. The war on drugs is a war on personal freedom, just like any censorship regime.

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    7. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In fact, the war on drugs is more ethically questionable than censorship by a government.

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    8. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Who modded your [awful] analogy insightful?! :p

    9. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Gods!

      I wish the Ronulans had stayed technophobic.

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    10. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Who gives a fuck about morals, it's the local law - follow it or don't be all that upset if you end up doing some jail time.

    11. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      Who modded your [awful] analogy insightful?! :p

      A better one, although still not quite fit, might be this: "...I still need to be able to regularly go into theaters and scream 'Fire', as well as publicly accuse random strangers of being pedophiles without the risk of being sued. However, this isn't allowed..."

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    12. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall the GP's argument being based on morality.

    13. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      And although I will be going as a tourist, I still need to be able to regularly import large quantities of heroin and cocaine. However, this isn't allowed according to US law, so can anyone suggest how I can circumvent this law largely because I don't accept it and want to carry on with my massive heroin and cocaine habits while there...

      No worries, mate, we import shitloads of that stuff from Mexico daily, no need to depend on your own supply! Just head down to the nearest barrio and ask for Jose, he's got your hookup.

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    14. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Circumventing a firewall is not necessarily illegal. Though it may be in China. I doubt they would ever enforce it on a foreigner (unless that foreigner was a major thorn in their side). Their major interest in the firewall is control of their own population.

    15. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You could say the same about the Mafia. Shouldn't an honest businessman be upset that he has to pay protection money or get his shop torched? By the same token, shouldn't a free individual be upset that he has to watch what goes into or out of his mouth or end up in jail?

      You're right, as a practical matter imprisonment is a forseeable consequence of breaking the law. But that's no reason not to get upset that the laws are unjust.

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    16. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes it is. The war on drugs is a war on personal freedom, just like any censorship regime.

      Ha ha ha. I've had you flagged as a Linux zealot, FOSStard and all-around faggot for some time now. So, it comes as no surprise you lack the intellectual capacity to see the huge contrasting difference between drugs and censorship as well as the differences between those two when applied to a vastly different culture. Just to dribble some salty piss in your wounds, I'll have you know that the general consensus among Chinese IT people is that Linux is great for a server or embedded device, but it's a bad egg on the desktop. That's part of why I like the Chinese people, they won't swallow you're steaming cup of GNU/Shit. They're smarter than you.

    17. Re:Hi, I'm visiting the US soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH SNAP!

  9. So long Jonas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll miss you and we'll all be sure to write a petition to get you free.

    Hopefully that will only take a few years.

  10. Don't Like the Laws? Don't go. by JimMcc · · Score: 2

    I don't know the legal issues at hand, nor do I know the laws of China, but if what you are planing to do is a violation of those laws you should be prepared for an extended stay as a guest of the Chinese government.

    While you might not believe that what they do is correct, moral, or defensible, it is non the less their country. Just as you would expect foreign visitors to your own country to respect the local laws, you should respect the laws of a country that you visit. If you find the laws so personally distasteful that can not abide by them, don't go.

    1. Re:Don't Like the Laws? Don't go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other day a friend of mine was telling me he was going on a trip to the US. He was planning to rent a car and drive it around. He was asking me about obeying the speed limit, whether it's acceptable and what the consequences are.

      Here's what I told him:

      "...I don't know the legal issues at hand, nor do I know the laws of the US, but if what you are planing to do is a violation of those laws you should be prepared for an extended stay as a guest of the US government.

      While you might not believe that what they do is correct, moral, or defensible, it is non the less their country. Just as you would expect foreign visitors to your own country to respect the local laws, you should respect the laws of a country that you visit. If you find the laws so personally distasteful that can not abide by them, don't go."

    2. Re:Don't Like the Laws? Don't go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you exceed the speed limit by more than a certain amount, then yes, you will get to stay in one of our fine government provided housing complexes.

      So what was your point?

    3. Re:Don't Like the Laws? Don't go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering if you would apply the same standard e.g. to Stalinist Russia... While you might not believe that what they do is correct, moral, or defensible, it is non the less their country....
      who's country, anyway? The communist party? The people? Is the censorship a product of 'the people' or a product of 'communist party'?

      Do you think it's immoral to break a bad law imposed by non-elected government? So forget about morality, it's absolutely OK to connect yourselve home and see censored websites. But if some communist officials find out, you might have a problem. As in communist Russia, nazi germany, or for that matter, even the western states have their share of bad law that's immoral in itself.

  11. Consider the Long Game by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    Yeah I know you're going to think I'm a tinfoil hat guy but basically anything you bring to China should be considered as compromised. iPod, tablet, computer, phone, etc. If you don't use burners, you should definitely at the very least wipe them and start over when you get back into the states. Anything you leave alone in your hotel room probably won't be left alone. Put removable tape over your cameras on these devices.

    Also, if you're going to encrypt your traffic, keep in mind that most encryption standards will be broken so if you can set your encryption and you have a speedy machine then set it as high as possible. Basically, you can assume that any sensitive stuff and all of your stuff you send over anything will simply be recorded and written to disc. It's not a question of if they break the encryption. It's a question of when. Make sure none of it matters and you're dead and buried by the time they can break that. The Chinese government is in it for the long game. They are not above corporate espionage.

    My personal option would to bring simple devices, treat them as burners and simply enjoy a vacation from work.

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    1. Re:Consider the Long Game by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1
      This. Nothing else needs to be said.

      Well, one more thing:

      If you don't use burners, you should definitely at the very least wipe them and start over when you get back into the states.

      I'd recommend backing up then wiping before heading to the ol' PRC as well - better safe than sorry.

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  12. The Parking Garage by FormulaTroll · · Score: 3, Informative

    Personal viewpoints on censorship aside, I'd be hesitant to break any Chinese laws while in China. Why, my dad just returned from a 14-year stint in a red Chinese prison...

    1. Re:The Parking Garage by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Why, my dad just returned from a 14-year stint in a red Chinese prison...

      Mind providing more details regarding that?

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    2. Re:The Parking Garage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      14 years for what crime may I ask?

    3. Re:The Parking Garage by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It's a Seinfeld reference. A post about nothing.

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    4. Re:The Parking Garage by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Googled Parking Garage before posting, but the wiki on it just mentioned them being lost in a parking garage and how unusual it was since the episode did not take place in the apartment.

      Nothing about people in chinese prisons.

      Never did watch the series so /woosh

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    5. Re:The Parking Garage by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      14 years for what crime may I ask?

      Knowing entirely too much about a cheesy 20-year-old sitcom.

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    6. Re:The Parking Garage by Sinister+Stairs · · Score: 1

      Jerry and George get caught urinating in the parking garage and, independently, they use their imprisonment in a red prison as an excuse for why the security guard should let them go.

  13. Use a VPN Service by DrEnter · · Score: 1

    Use a VPN service. I've used a corporate VPN and one based out of India (to avoid U.S.-centric blocking issues) called SwitchVPN. While they both worked fine, this was a year ago. The best thing to do is look at the current VPN companies and see who is being blocked today and why. If several from one country are getting blocked, choose one based out of a different country that doesn't have close ties with that country. It changes all the time, but it doesn't turn on a dime. It seems like the blocking happens in fits and starts (a bunch blocked a couple months ago, a bunch of different ones blocked next month, etc.) One thing I've found is that corporate VPNs seem to almost never get blocked, so if you have access to one of those, it is a good backup.

  14. This is not a good question for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Post this question at one of the many expat forums catering to those of us (well into the high 6 figures) who live in China.

    What we'll tell you:
    1) Sign up for a VPN before you get here.
    2) Profit.

    It really is that easy. Oh, and the bit about what you are doing being legal or not? here in China there's what's legal, and then there's what you are allowed to do. Sometimes they are even the same thing.

  15. Ya Gotta Be and idjit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To go into a communist dictatorship with the intention of breaking their laws...

    They don't play nice over there kid.

  16. The Chinese won't arrest an American by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As long as you are not telling other Chinese people how to break through the firewall, I doubt that Chinese government will go after you. They do not need to add stress to their relationship with the USA, and they would probably prefer to sneak something onto your laptop so they can get some trade secrets than to stop you from using a corporate VPN. The purpose of the firewall is to control Chinese citizens, not to harass foreigners.

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    1. Re:The Chinese won't arrest an American by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As long as you are not telling other Chinese people how to break through the firewall, I doubt that Chinese government will go after you. They do not need to add stress to their relationship with the USA, and they would probably prefer to sneak something onto your laptop so they can get some trade secrets than to stop you from using a corporate VPN. The purpose of the firewall is to control Chinese citizens, not to harass foreigners.

      At best this is an assumption you've made. The Chinese will willingly detain, try, and punish any foreigner that they feel poses a threat to state security. Moreover, it is probably the U.S. is more concerned with it's fragile relationship with China. When it feels threatened, the Chinese Communist Party will react and not care one iota about the world's reaction.

  17. Let me Google that for you.... by DontScotty · · Score: 2

    visitors arrested for circumventing china firewall

    oh, I guess there are no results.

    Go right ahead!!

    (IANAL, URIDIOT)

  18. Don't by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

    How long are you going to be there for? Because unless it's months and months, I would urge you to sort out your business affairs in advance and just not bother trying anything "clever" while you're out there. Because believe me, a bit of business inconvenience back home is nothing next to the world of hurt you will inflict upon yourself (albeit with some helpful assistance from others and their nice electrodes) in the admittedly fairly unlikely (but by no means impossible) scenario that you piss off the security side of what is still, despite a bit of spin and economic modernisation, a creepy totalitarian state apparatus.

    Anyway... their country, their rules. When I travel to the USA, I'm generally struck by how stupidly low speed limits are, particularly given how well maintained, open and relatively quiet they are compared with ours here in the UK. But I don't plot and scheme for how I can drive at UK speeds - I follow the US speed limits. Now in the case of China, we're talking about rights that are rather more fundamental than "being allowed to drive fast" - but hey, you've chosen to go their on holiday (you've said you'll be a tourist) and you're a guest, so perhaps you should behave like on.

    Besides, you'll get a lot more out of your holiday if you aren't constantly trying to work while you're out there. So as I said at the start, do whatever you can to organise things so you don't actually need to work while you're out there (or consider cancelling your trip and re-booking at a better time).

    1. Re:Don't by Jeng · · Score: 1

      But I don't plot and scheme for how I can drive at UK speeds - I follow the US speed limits

      Why follow the US speed limits?

      It's not like we do. There are a few states that you can maintain your speed over 100mph and still just be keeping up with traffic.

      I recommend a good radar detector and a good map (the closer to civilization you get the slower you go).

      The reason for the low speed limits is probably linked to our laughable requirements for getting a drivers license so just stay away from the other cars as much as possible.

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    2. Re:Don't by xaxa · · Score: 1

      People in the UK drive faster and more aggressively than those in the US on similar roads -- bear in mind that many roads in the UK are narrower and bendier (although the surface is often better). It's not so much driving at 80mph in a 70mph limit on the freeway/motorway, it's that the twisty British road has a 60mph limit and people drive that fast.

      Also, in the UK "Stop" signs are extremely rare, which means drivers aren't used to stopping at every junction.

  19. Phone home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I traveled to China on vacation in late March this year for two weeks, staying in hotels and also using a shared MiFi-type cellular data connection on a Chinese cellular account. In all cases, I was successful by using Apple's built-in VPN, connecting to an Apple OS X server running at my US home. I was able to run iChat, Skype, and Google Chat voice as well. I ran everything through the VPN (including a Mac, a PC, an iPad, and an iPhone). I had no problems connecting with Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, the New York Times, and anywhere else I wanted to go. The speed was comparable to what others were getting connecting without a VPN to non-blocked US websites, so I didn't take any measurable penalty in speed.

    I connected from Beijing, Xi'an, a Yangtzee River cruise boat (on the MiFi, a little slow but to be expected with a cellular connection), and Shanghai, all the time connecting to the same US OS X server. I never had a connection that was lost or cut off.

  20. Er, was. by girlintraining · · Score: 1

    Tor was blocked by China. They've since added bridges intended to bypass the firewall. It's always been a cat and mouse game with China. Always will be. But right now, Tor works in China. Tomorrow, who knows.

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    1. Re:Er, was. by causality · · Score: 1

      Tor was blocked by China. They've since added bridges intended to bypass the firewall. It's always been a cat and mouse game with China. Always will be. But right now, Tor works in China. Tomorrow, who knows.

      The scary part is that they may intentionally allow it (after a token cat & mouse game) in order to perform ISP-wide deep packet inspection. Then they find out who's using Tor, assume they're trying to bypass censorship, and charge them with crimes.

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    2. Re:Er, was. by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      The scary part is that they may intentionally allow it (after a token cat & mouse game) in order to perform ISP-wide deep packet inspection. Then they find out who's using Tor, assume they're trying to bypass censorship, and charge them with crimes.

      Always possible. Tor is a way of creating anonymity at the destination site. It wasn't designed to disguise its use. To do that, you'll need something more sophisticated and/or less popular. Personally, I'd use a high volume server that typically delivers binary data on a proprietary encrypted protocol, such as an MMO/gaming server. Then I'd use that as a proxy to tunnel my traffic through and rate limit it to be similar to the rate of other traffic to/from the server. Singular solution, nobody else knows about it -- server outside China. Problem solved.

      It's hard though to create a whole P2P network of thousands of users with the same client, and then hide it.

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  21. Not breaking laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think he's breaking laws about the tourist visa. If he were going to China to work for a Chinese company while on a tourist visa, that's different from what he wrote ("for a company back home"). It's actually pretty typical for some people to do work during a vacation. I don't know why someone would *want* to do that, but it happens.

    To answer the OP's question: temporarily buy a commercial proxy service if performance is important to you.

  22. SSH tunnel works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always use ssh proxy (the -D option) and it works very well. Just don't forget to set your DNS to resolve using the proxy as well or it will fail otherwise.

  23. Bypassing GFW is not breaking any law! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's completely OK to bypass the GFW.

    An HTTP proxy is not enough. The URLs to be proxied is transfered to server side in plaintext, which is blockable.

    VPN will be a good choice. Try some service providers like witopia and so on.

  24. No big deal, been there done it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in Beijing and Shanghai for two weeks about a year ago and had no problem using LogMeIn to access my home computer and a VPN to access work machines. Let's see - I wasn't detained, tortured, arrested, followed, harassed or have anything else happen to me. But what do I know...

    1. Re:No big deal, been there done it... by seepho · · Score: 1

      Well, that's one data point; it must be true!

  25. VPN,VPN, VPN by davydagger · · Score: 1

    Set up your own VPN stateside, and work from there.

    I think its the only real legimate way.

    Using personal identifiable information through TOR to clearnet is a horrible idea, because of mallaicious exit nodes. TOR is great for anonymous browsing and research.

    Setting up your own VPN stateside you exit to clearnet on a network you know is friendly. I think the chineese government will be less likely to mess with you this way. Given that many companies use VPNs this way, its should be very easy to explain this as business as usual.

    1. Re:VPN,VPN, VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd go one step from there:

      VPN + remote access + limited user rights while abroad.

      The VPN is a legit thing. Running a thin client and using Citrix is a good idea since all your work and files are stored overseas. Finally, the limited user access is good if your account is compromised.

      As for what you take over there, I'd consider buying a cell phone there, and take a netbook or other piece of equipment you don't mind losing/getting taken.

      As many others have said to the OP: China isn't Europe where they might waggle a finger at you and demand a 20 euro fine. It isn't like the US where they toss people in a private prison for CXW stockholder income. If someone is pissing off the Chinese government, they will be dealt with at once and permanently so (as in relatives will have to pay for the IV solution used in the execution in order to retrieve the remains.)

      Even if one winds up in a Chinese prison, if you think US prisons are harsh, I highly recommend reading about what they are like.

    2. Re:VPN,VPN, VPN by robberbarron · · Score: 1

      VPN like Witopia should work well. I lived in Shanghai for a few years until this past March and that was the standard way to get things done. Main government hassle is that they occasionally block the specific server and you need to change IP addresses of the server you're connecting to. You also want to use a non-China DNS server (like 8.8.8.8).

      This approach is so widespread that I never heard about anyone getting a visit from the police. In general, they aren't big on hassling foreigners who are there legally because of all the foreign-directed-investment that comes related to those expats - makes for bad impressions.

      Overstaying your visa is a big no-no though and they have started visiting expat bars and doing passport checks.

      Witopia will send you a nastygram if you use file sharing services like bittorrent. Fortunately, that isn't blocked by the GFW.

      You might want to check out shanghaiexpat.com. Plenty of advice there.

  26. StrongVPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We actually have a similar problem, not only do they mess with the DNS addresses for our website, but they packet latency is horrible. I recommend a 3rd party VPN client.

  27. Tor and Vidalia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder, but It may work at least for browsing https://www.torproject.org/projects/vidalia.html.en

  28. OpenVPN by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

    I was in China last month and I just set up an OpenVPN server on my home machine and connected to that with no problems. It's noticeably slower, but worked just fine.

    Note that it makes sense to use OpenVPN from just about anywhere.

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  29. This has been coming for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's high time we took back the internet. It's time to create new network(s) to exist alongside the Internet, that interface with the it but use different protocols. We need to create set of network protocols that are traffic and crypto analysis proof. The whole concept of "Internet access is what you buy from X" needs to be turned on its head. Network access should be something you get from 3 of your neighbors. To arms! The Fascists are here!

  30. A Real Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, ignore everyone on their moral high horse - the Chinese gov't doesn't give a shit about foreigners bypassing the firewall.

    The firewall mostly exists to:
    a) Give Chinese companies a competitive advantage in the Chinese marketplace.
    b) Stop the average farmer from figuring out just quite how shitty he's got it and why.

    As far as bypassing it - that is trivial. Use a VPN and/or SSH tunnel... I've never had a problem doing this.

    Comparing this to importing drugs is completely fucking ridiculous. Tons of Chinese citizens bypass the firewall also, especially in Shanghai area.

  31. My 0.02 by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Knowingly, willingly, and recklessly violating the law in any foreign country is not a good idea, period. It is well known that China does not have the same due process laws and criminal procedure of the United States. You could be charged with a capital offense such as spying and there is very little anyone can do to help you. Your best bet is to take a vacation from work and enjoy your trip. That much said you could look at a tunneling service such as tunnelr which uses OpenVPN to encrypt your traffic and tunnel through a firewall but you do this at quite a bit of peril. What happens if a civil servant monitoring the Great Firewall "sees" a session with a lot of encrypted traffic and it is not going to one of the regular, acceptable locations? Tunnelr also offers SSH encrypted tunneling.

    1. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens if a civil servant monitoring the Great Firewall "sees" a session with a lot of encrypted traffic and it is not going to one of the regular, acceptable locations?

      They might block it, after several months, then again they might not. You definitely won't be arrested or face any legal repercussions. You're viewing things from a Western perspective. It's not the norm here. In essence, you're .02 cents isn't valid currency here. Oh, and I'm an American living in China over 3 years now.

  32. Ignore the "don't" comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...they are seriously lacking in perspective.

    Think about this, for a moment, from the perspective of the Chinese state. If a significant portion of their lower class (a group of people who have been shat on by the upper class for centuries) had free, unrestricted, unfiltered access to information about their oppressors, and a way to mobilize together, it would be an absolute DISASTER for the Chinese state, and probably the stability of Chinese society in general.

    YOU, as a westerner, are not the target of the Chinese state's censorship efforts. The Chinese state doesn't give a shit if you read about their human rights violations and the atrocities committed for the greater good. They especially don't give a shit if you visit Facebook or Youtube. You just need to make damn sure that you don't squawk about sensitive subjects while you are visiting. Attention to such issues is threatening to the Chinese state.

    To all the fools saying "don't do it, you will be in another country, you are obligated to obey their laws, if you don't like it, don't go" - do you REALLY think that the upper class in China can't visit whatever websites they want? Give me a break. Internet censorship in China is designed to prevent the idiot ignorant lower class from shaking things up too much. Same reason you can't turn on a TV in the US and hear anyone having rigorous intellectual discussions about what is actually happening in the world. Doesn't mean the information isn't there, or isn't accessible in some way, or that people aren't talking about it. It just means that the average idiot probably needs to remain ignorant, in order to avert disaster.

    To the OP, here are my recommendations.
    I get a VPN service (called VyperVPN) thru my usenet provider (the well-known Giganews). It works fine in China. There are a variety of endpoints to pick from. One is in Hong Kong. Several in Europe and the US.

    Works with PPTP, L2TP and OpenVPN. OpenVPN is probably the best (seems that some cheap networking gear does not support PPTP properly), although the most difficult to set up.

    One thing to note is that DNS servers over there may lie to your machine. So having a list of the IP addresses of endpoints might be beneficial (you can probably write a script to resolve the domain names of all the endpoints and store the IPs in a file *while you are connected to the VPN*). Maybe put the right ones in your hosts file or something.

    1. Re:Ignore the "don't" comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, no matter what anyone says, be it the Chinese state, the US government, or anyone, just remember this:

      INFORMATION SHOULD BE FREE.

  33. Lived in China for years by nhtshot · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used overplay.net's commercial OpenVPN. There's several competing services specifically tailored to bypassing the great firewall. Overplay in particular has a huge list of servers in different countries. Occasionally one would get blocked, but one of the others would always work.

    Best $10/month I spent while I was there.

    Regarding the locals laws, etc.. it's a definite gray area. The laws don't say you're not allowed to post or view certain things. The laws just say that the government is allowed to "normalize" (filter/censor).

    I used a VPN for years and registered for my internet account using my passport. They knew who I was and could obviously see the VPN traffic. I never heard a word from anybody about it.

    1. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... They knew who I was and could obviously see the VPN traffic. I never heard a word from anybody about it..."

      "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
              Napoleon Bonaparte
              French general & politician (1769 - 1821)

    2. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outsiders who don't make waves will basically be left alone in China. Cause headaches and you disappear.

    3. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used overplay.net's commercial OpenVPN. There's several competing services specifically tailored to bypassing the great firewall. Overplay in particular has a huge list of servers in different countries. Occasionally one would get blocked, but one of the others would always work.

      Best $10/month I spent while I was there.

      Regarding the locals laws, etc.. it's a definite gray area. The laws don't say you're not allowed to post or view certain things. The laws just say that the government is allowed to "normalize" (filter/censor).

      I used a VPN for years and registered for my internet account using my passport. They knew who I was and could obviously see the VPN traffic. I never heard a word from anybody about it.

      Lived in China for three years and everything said above is true.

    4. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenVPN works well, either to a personal server, a "work" server or a rented service.
      A friend of mine as a mostly unused server in HK and it works very well for that purpose. Also the VPN is often faster than the normal internet connection, except for local Chinese sites of course.

    5. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

      I use ExpressVPN. The pricing is reasonable.

      Forget Tor, and forget a hand rolled VPN through a private machine back home. Both are unreliable and slow compared to a paid VPN service.

      If you are roaming with a foreign cell, you're likely able to get a (slow, expensive) unfiltered connection through that also.

      The government basically won't care or probably even notice, if you don't make an ass of yourself online. Their interests in filtering the net are more about controlling the masses (by means of filtering LOCAL traffic) and protecting local industries (by means of filtering international traffic).

      Even with the VPN switched off, banner adds on most chinese websites i visit somehow know i've an interest in having a VPN and happily offer up ads for other VPNs all in chinese... so obviously some of the locals are paying to jump the wall.

      You should probably check into the visa thing, working here under a tourist visa is kind of a sore point at the moment...

    6. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> The laws don't say you're not allowed to post or view certain things.

      Sad that i had to browse across a hundreds of clueless slashdoter posts before i could find someone pointing to this obvious thing.
      Guess appearing to look smart is more important than actually answering the question...

    7. Re:Lived in China for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Work for major asian defence company which serves a competing country and I agree, they really don't care about the foreigners as long as you keep to yourself.

  34. Jabronis by brojamma · · Score: 2

    Do we really need all of these replies discussing the legality/morality? We get the point -- you're all a bunch of stand-up citizens.

  35. SSH, VPN, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been asked her many times. The whole reason I setup SSH & VPN on my router at home is for China. I give a few friends there longing for USA-net who live back there now, and for when I travel there. My IP will likely get blocked in time, but not that hard to change.

  36. Why travel to China? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Where is this recent wave of Sinophelia coming from? Why would you want to go to that cesspool of human rights abuses?

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    1. Re:Why travel to China? by supercrisp · · Score: 1

      Because of the millions and millions of ordinary, wonderful people there? The millenia of art and poetry it has produced? The fascinating urban and rural landscapes? The fantastic cuisine? To learn something about a country that is still largely isolated? Because you want to do something to overcome the human rights abuses? Or just because you're a curious person and not a xenophobe. Or simply because opportunity has knocked. I can think of few places in the world I wouldn't visit if I had the opportunity. And I'm a homebody and a shitty traveler.

    2. Re:Why travel to China? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Because it's a learning experience. In the case of an American, it's a first hand lesson of what happens when you give way to absolute authoritarian control. It also makes you feel really sorry for the SOBs and can only wish they wake up from their living nightmare. And in time, perhaps they will. All you can do in the mean time is show your support for a better life along with some enlightenment for those who are willing to listen.

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    3. Re:Why travel to China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the case of an American, it's a first hand lesson of what happens when you give way to absolute authoritarian control

      Which turns out to be... very little. You're ignorant and I'm sure you'll take that as an insult, but it's true. It's not your fault, however. You've only had the news media to teach you about life in this country. I've been in China 3 years running, living in 3 different cities, so let me share something you probably won't understand. The Chinese people and I have MORE FREEDOM, read that again, MORE FREEDOM than Americans. There are 2 sides to that coin, however. I can light up a joint in Beijing and smoke it around the police, so can my Chinese friends. However, if we go to eat at a local restaurant, there's no guarantee any laws regarding food safety have been enforced.

      Sure, if you go down to Tienanmen Square and start protesting, you'll get your ass handed to you, but politics aside, you can pretty much do what you want if you handle yourself properly. But, keep spreading the FUD if it makes you feel good. People like you can't be educated by a 3rd party.

    4. Re:Why travel to China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been to China?
      " cesspool of human rights abuses" is a bit of an overstatement. The government has decided what's allowed, and what's not, and declared that they will punish people severely for breaking the rules. That's in a lot of ways better than the US, where people have "rights" that are declared, but then sneakily worked around with warrant-less wiretaps, places like Guantanamo Bay, special treatment if the government declares you a "terrorist", etc. At least China is honest about it.

      To be honest, I have been to China, and I know a lot of Chinese people. Most of them aren't terribly bothered by their government, nor do they care too much about it. 99% of people have better things to do than badmouth the government on blogs, etc., and 99% of the remaining 1% would like to, but they don't because they know the potential consequences. The remaining 0.01% are apparently not terribly bright.

      I agree the Chinese government is not great, and it's probably worse than most Chinese people think it is - but it's also nowhere near as bad as people in the US seem to think it is. Moreover, if you had to manage 1 BILLION people, you might be more strict too. It works better than filling the prisons full of people.

      China has a lot of good points, and is worth visiting for many reasons. I don't recommend visiting any country with the intention of breaking the law, though.

    5. Re:Why travel to China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, most people in China aren't in a "living nightmare". They live their lives normally and only interact with the government when/where they have to. Living nightmare is the Philadelphia DMV where it took me 5 hours of waiting with the smelliest/noisiest/fattest people I have ever seen to get a damned ID.

    6. Re:Why travel to China? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      1. Been to China several time for over 7 years. My wife is full blooded Chinese born in Shanghai. And you sir are a troll. When we travel, we go together by train deep into the country side. Our "trip" is not a trip by American vacation standards.

      2. Individual freedom is *not* the same as political freedom. The latter will always supersede the former. It's why the society is the way it is. To the Chinese, the current government in power is nothing more than another dynasty in a long running streak of them. So enjoy your shitty beer as you crack open an icy cold one walking down a public road. In the long run, it's not worth it. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise!

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  37. Vote by Dunge · · Score: 0

    Government change.

  38. SSTP by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Focussing on technology,

    Other than ssh
      SSTP seems like a good candidate? Shame it's only for Windows unless I'm mistaken an alternative?

    1. Re:SSTP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Focussing on technology,

      Other than ssh

        SSTP seems like a good candidate? Shame it's only for Windows unless I'm mistaken an alternative?

      Uh...OpenVPN? SSTP is just another implementation of SSL-based VPN.

  39. A surefire way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. You might bare in mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are visiting a nation that does things like this: http://waznmentobe.com/odd/china-horror-villager-crushed-to-death-under-steam-roller-by-order-of-the-mayor.html (Warning: double plus terrible)

  41. China's approach to Tor by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    China does not want to keep Tor blocked eternally. They don't want people talking to each other about losing access to Tor; that would just inflate the number of Tor users in the country (see, for example, the increase in Tor use following Tor being blocked). The Chinese government blocks Tor when there is big news that they want to conceal until they get their own propaganda out. They keep techniques of blocking Tor on hand for just such an occasion.

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  42. The thread is full of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Mitt Romney trolls! Beware!

  43. SSH + SOCKS + Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The issue with VPNs is that they are real slow.

    You want to be able to use the "normal" internet and a VPN connection at the same time and switch to the VPN access only when needed.

    I use Chrome as my main browser and Firefox as the backup browser. Firefox can be easily configured for SOCKS and works like a charm when connected to a server in the west with SSH.

  44. Remote desktop to a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works for several people I know. I have a set of Terminal servers setup at HE.net for some friends that do just that, running on a different port than usualy, but RDP was encrypted as well. In fact, I do that when I travel to most places.

    Now, with all things, there are the legal risks that have already been mentioned, as if you get caught, they literally can just lock you up till you die, or just shoot you right there, but that's the risk of doing business or pleasure in that type of government environment. Then again, they can just lock you up till you die, or just shoot you right there even if you didn't circumvent the firewall.

  45. SSH Tunnel & SOCKS5 Proxy. by kraytul · · Score: 1

    Having done the same thing myself, I used a pretty simple method that worked 100% of the time and I never had any trouble with disconnects or anything. You don't need a VPN if you don't have access to an easy ability to set one up, just set up an SSH tunnel to some box you have any access to anywhere and use it as a SOCKS5 proxy for your machine. Get your browser (or your entire machine if you want) to forward all internet traffic to your SSH tunnel and you can browse wherever you want. You can even use TOR over the proxy if you want, it'd be the equivalent of running TOR on the machine you're SSH'd over to. I did it using PuTTY and ProxyCap most of the time, worked like a charm, never got blocked or interrupted.

  46. Whats a tourist visa by vlm · · Score: 1

    I think its interesting that 90% of the comments are that its illegal to work on a tourist visa so a VPN back home is illegal.
    In a minute or two I couldn't find the relevant legal defs for China, and that's all that really matters.

    But in general, the extreme simplification has nothing to do with the claim.
    Generally a business visa means you're there doing commerce with a local while not employed by a local... signing contracts, sales visits, demos. Unless your VPN back home is to download the sales pitch powerpoint to show to a local you're probably OK.
    Generally a work visa means you're there working for a local as just another employee. From shoveling dirt to shoveling bits to pulling cable. The only way a VPN back home would matter would be getting accused of industrial espionage, or having two employers means a conflict of interest.
    Generally journalists get a special visa solely so customs does not F with them as much resulting in bad PR, or if there's not many in the country, for internal security to track where outsiders are watching them (so.. machine gun the protesters in this city, but not that city where the journalists are, for example)

    It would generally appear that generically fooling with a VPN back home for your back home employer has nothing to do with signing contracts with the locals, or working for a local, so a tourist visa generically would be OK for casual logins. Now a firewall violating VPN might be completely illegal, but it wouldn't be a violation of the visa. Since you're going to China and not "generic-land" you need to read their exact laws to make sure.

    Generally visas are very interested in how you plan to interact with the locals. If, while sleepless laying in the hotel bed, you think of a new TPS report header for back home, even if you call home to tell people about your amazing new TPS header, as a general rule visas are not designed to care about that, as long as the locals have absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Where visas get fuzzy is two foreigners meet at the hotel bar and start talking about a biz deal between two foreign firms, no locals involved... do they seriously expect the host country to enforce the local version of contract law for free? It can get messy.

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  47. Speaking from experience by fuzheado · · Score: 1
    There are some pretty uninformed answers here. I worked as a journalist in China and wrote a book about Wikipedia (blocked in the PRC at the time) from behind the Great Firewall. Here are some facts:
    1. Sites outside China like Facebook and YouTube are blocked by the Great Firewall, but you're not "breaking the law" by circumventing this blocking. Why? Because the blocking itself is not done through the legal process of China. "Banned" sites are transparently and mysteriously blocked by the GFW through technical means, and for the central government, the less said about it the better. For that reason...
    2. Foreigners are not being arrested or detained for circumventing the GFW. Most every working foreigner living in China knows of simple ways to circumvent the GFW, and they're used often and openly. In terms of China's citizens -- most tech savvy domestic folks and students know of easy ways around the GFW. All the government cares about is that there's no critical mass of users to these outside sites, and that China-based companies like Baidu, Sina, etc. dominate the dot-com landscape.
    3. There are plenty of cheap VPN services you can buy on a month-to-month basis: Witopia, StrongVPN, AnchorFree to name a few. OpenVPN is more advanced and better performing, but the older PPTP supports more platforms, such as iPhone and iPad.
    4. If you have an SSH account somewhere, use SSH tunneling for the cheapest way to SOCKS proxy. Google for "SSH Tunnel SOCKS Proxy Forwarding" and create a Firefox profile that is dedicated to SOCKS proxy through it.
  48. Slashdoter here living in China! by slacka · · Score: 1

    There is so much disinformation here. Just get yourself any standard $5/month VPN service. Set it up, and test it at home before you leave. Problem solved! Here's a great list:
    http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-you-should-start-using-a-vpn-and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs

    Now about the other suggestions. Yes, the ALPHA tor correctly configured with bridges works today. But by the time you get there, China may have figured out how to block it again. As mentioned before, it's a cat and mouse game. Not to mention the fact that pages load about 10-20x slower over tor than they do over a regular VPN. This is only something I like to play with and your are nuts and a cheap bastard if you want to use it for your work.

    The third option suggested here is to setup your own personal VPN. This is what I have done. I have one to my home computer and one running on Amazon EC2. They both work fine, but you have to know what your doing. If you haven't setup a dozen VPNs before and can't tell me what MTU is stay away.

    Even in the major cities, Internet access in China is much slower than most places in America. The fastest Internet you get at home or high end hotels is 5Mbps/1Mbps with 1Mbps/128 the standard. Go into the rural countryside and even the 2 major Cell carriers may not offer Internet. Locals use dialup or deal without. Small towns are somewhere in the middle. Also note that you'll need a L2TP VPN for your smartphone since PPTP VPNs are blocked by cell carrier.

    1. Re:Slashdoter here living in China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China Telecom does 10Mbps fibre for like 280rmb a month in most of Shanghai. Includes tv and isn't shared, so no big lag hit in the evenings.

      But yeh, the net connection to anywhere outside china is pretty horrible, +300ms ping to just across the straight, downloads seem to throttle at 250Kb/s - if you're lucky to get that kind of speed.

      On the other hand, to Shanghai to Nanjing, usually under 10ms, my home pc often hits past the 10Mbps mark. Even to Shanghai to Shenzhen is tidy 30ms most days.

  49. Sidestep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spent a week in China on business in June and I ended up using SideStep. It requires you have access to an SSH server somewhere outside the firewall, but it worked great. If your company has a VPN, that could work well too.

  50. Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tor pretty much gets around anything I can think of. It's specifically designed for this type of thing.

  51. get a VPN before you get there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was there for two months this year and I used (variously) a Witopia account, my corporate VPN and a VPN that comes with my ISP service.

    The corporate VPN was the fastest and most relaible, I used that one to stream hockey games with my morning coffee.
    My ISP VPN was reliable, but not that fast.
    Witopia was slow and only about 1/3 to 1/2 of the (50+ access points) would connect at any given time, it does offer 4 or 5 different protocols though (OpenVPN, L2TP, PPTP, IPSec and some points offer a HTTPS proxy)

    The point is to give yourself some options, get to know the different VPN protocols and maybe practice connecting to them from whatever OS you use before you leave. Smartphones can also use VPN which can be good if you get a SIM card there, my phone didn't have VPN capability but I was able to get to most places I wanted to (you'll definitely need a VPN to use Google maps though).

    Good luck and enjoy the trip - there are beautiful places to visit and friendly people to meet.

    1. Re:get a VPN before you get there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dropped my Witopia service a few months after living in Shanghai, the performance was terrible. I ended up setting up my open OpenVPN server on my US based VPS which works much better.

  52. How to get around the TSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would you answer if someone from China planning to visit the US asked you that?

    Most likely, you answer would be: "Don't even try". Not because you agree with the TSA, but because it is simply not worth the possible hassle for someone coming just for a short stay, and not aiming to make some political statement.

    Simply deporting you would be enough to ruin your trip. I am not saying that would happen, but is the risk worth it? For the benefit of visiting a few sites for a couple weeks?

    If you disagree, then tell me, how can I get around the TSA?

  53. some gfw facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    short answer: don't worry, get a VPN like Astrill and you're ok.

    long answer: Many people, and many many corporations in China circumvent the GFW and it's no problem.
    1) The GFW is aimed at Chinese users, not western ones. It predominantly blocks sites which has forbidden info in Chinese or allows Chinese citizens to communicate in a way the regime cannot control (e.g. Facebook, Wikipedia). Because of this you can easily see extremely anti China websites in e.g. German, French or Spanish with no problem inside China.
    2) The GFW is not designed as a blocker but as a hurdle, to make it just inconvenient enough for a large mass to accept the censoring and not bother at circumventing it. What do you need to circumvent it? I non-Chinese credit card (most free VPNs get blocked/mangled/slowed down) and some technical knowledge. Most people in China lack either the one or the other. Plus the monthly prices for western VPNs aren't cheap for many people here.
    3) If the Chinese authorities would prosecute any VPN users they would have to go after a lot of big time businesses, effectively driving them out of the country. In Chengdu the local party was even thinking of making a special foreign business zone where the GFW would be turned off by default.
    4) Circumventing doesn't get you in trouble. Posting anti China stuff, calling for revolution, organizing protests, etc. will. Don't do that while you're in China.

    I've been using VPNs for over 3 years now in China, and my company has been doing that even longer - we even develop apps for Facebook, which is banned - and had 0 problems so far.

  54. Stunnel + VPN/SSH Recipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use Stunnel on port 443 then the remote server looks like regular HTTPS, so that would be less likely to trigger an alarm. Then you run your VPN or SSH over the Stunnel tunnel to/from your localhost port to get all the services you want from your remote endpoint. A VPN might have different traffic patterns than typical HTTPS, but that probably wouldn't be detected by the current generation of firewall. Ideally you would have a static IP for your remote server, otherwise you would have to use something like a free DNS service and you would lose your connection every time your remote IP changed. Instead of DNS you might want to locate the remote server using some out-of-band method since a free DNS service could be a cue for a manual inspection. You should set up Stunnel so the server authenticates the client connection (using an X.509 client certificate), to prevent a man-in-the-middle attack. For secure out-of-band communications you could set up the remote server to PGP encrypt its IP and other information (logs are useful) and email them to a disposable email address. You could send commands to the remote server the same way. You should be aware that HTTPS is susceptible to certificate switching, so I wouldn't access my personal email account directly unless I could verify the connection certificate independently. Stunnel, GPG and OpenVPN are standard on many Linux & BSD distributions. With a few key parameters & an encrypted download from a free email site, you should be able to set up a client using a live distribution CD/DVD in a few minutes, just practice the process a few times before you go. You also want to take steps to ensure the remote server stays up. A stripped down headless config (perhaps a router distribution) with minimal logging, no extra services, and a daily reboot should do the trick. As long as you don't talk to any dissidents or Tibetans, the only think likely to happen to you are some polite questions from the local constabulary and you may end up on a watch list. Be prepared to demonstrate how you are "just accessing my work email and work web server, sir, it's how we do it...". Might be a good idea to have a buddy at work that will back you up when they call to check. YMMV of course...

  55. After traveling in China i can tell you thus.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My wife and I spent 6 months backpacking thru china last year.

    a) most ex-pat's we met used a VPN service to get around any firewall issues. This also enables you come privacy as the connection is encrypted.
    b) Most backpacker hotels aren't firewalled. It really seems the great firewall of china is mainly directed at citizens. The government doesn't really care that white people get around it. The higher ended hotels or hotels marketed more towards Chinese did appear to be firewalled.

  56. Teamviewer will work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my last visit to China, Teamviewer (teamviewer.com) had no problems accessing my computers at home from China.

  57. You'll need a VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll need to setup a VPN or subscribe to one. Proxy servers won't do the job from China, at least not in the two years I've lived and worked [legally] in China for two years now. Plug - check out shanghaifakemarket.com site if you're going to do some shopping there.

  58. ssh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OpenSSH VPN and mixed socks5. Use a password protected key based authentication system you'll turn off after the trip. Possibly set up a local account with a shell of nologin.

    Run sshd on 22,53,80,443. Any decent browser, IM, and email client will be capable of being configured to use a local socks5 proxy available via "ssh -D".

    Since you can't trust the DNS, you need to run a local bind service pointed through your ssh tunnel -- the only host you should be resolving is your ssh service (you have a static IP, right?).

    You *may* need an alternative mode to deal with captive gateways if you can't read the HTTP requests yourself well enough to figure out what's up...

    Be sure you have the ascii art of your server and public key and check it regularly. Keep a copy on a printout inside a book to check if you ever leave your system unattended for even a minute.

    Also recommend you set up your own HTTPS certificates pointing to "mail.yourdomain.com" even if you don't host your own email. Put up a copy of anybody's login page. You want to save some checksums and keep them on QR codes printed on bookmarks, or unsuspicious printouts.

    These are to check and validate -- if your traffic is being MITM'd via chinese CA ownership. If you write a program to check this, be sure the user agent and timinings match your browser of choice.

    Many places also recommend you weigh your power supply, battery, and laptop individually and separately before leaving the country and when you return -- in addition to a good bios password.

  59. Don't go, & let 'me know why... by ivi · · Score: 1

    Where are those brave folks, who'd say: Nope, if you're not "Free," then you don't get Me!
    If -enough- folks made it -clear- that they won't support restrictions, just maybe it may help.

    Another thought I had was: These "Help my data jump over the Great Firewall" articles
    -may- be "plants" to help draw out any remaining workarounds to the latest version of
    Great Firewall controls.

    By answering, we may by listing any of the remaining workarounds, we're helping the ones,
    who maintain TGF to close yet another door...?

  60. paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were trying to undermine state control of information, I would not use the internet...

    1. buy a big printer, like an old b/w laserjet...then stock up on toners and paper
    2. burn dvds
    3. hand them out in person, like the guys with tables of bootlegs in front of dollar stores.

  61. You probably got confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to go to thailand to get ladyboys you fucking faggot OP.

  62. Why don't you go leap off a Foxconn factory in PRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get why dumbfuck westerners insists on shoving inanimate objects up their ass by patronizing the great evil empire.
    Do nitwits like yourself not subscribe to the endless propaganda from our governments that the Chinks are depraved and evil?
    Why not go tour India, which will be the world's next superpower (according to western government propaganda)? They are the world's largest democracy, and always mentioned in the same breath as China in every western government propaganda releases.

  63. Spent last summer in Shanghai. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A personal VPN worked fine when I was in Shanghai last year. From what I understand, the censorship of the internet is mainly for the local chinese. They turn a blind eye to foreigners (for more than just internet censorship.) Be warned however, while you may get through the dns blocks, unless it's encrypted there is probably someone reading your emails. Just don't try to sow political dissent or talk about how awesome democracy is and you'll be just fine.

  64. Key based SSH by Guillaume+le+Btard · · Score: 1

    I have lived in China for some time, and I have found using a ssh tunnel as a socks proxy works wonders. Don't expect it to be fast but that is a problem when connecting to any hosts outside China. You will risk them throttling your speed if you use it all the time with excessive amounts of traffic. Remember some website are blocked through dns so that means you need to configure your browser to resolve this via proxy as well

  65. Re:What does Slashdot think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That you are a dumb-ass.
    Realistically, you can use VPN or remote desktop and probably get away with whatever you want. I know Chinese people who do, but...
    1. Can't you deal without internet for a few days/weeks while in an exciting foreign country? It's not even like you would be completely without internet, just somewhat restricted from some sites. You *need* to have Picasa and Facebook while in China? You won't have anything better to do?
    2. As much as Chinese people can be punished by the Chinese government, you can be punished much worse - and you're going to be more suspicious from the beginning by virtue of being foreign. You probably won't get caught, but if you do, you could be: a. Deported, b. Heavily Fined, c. Have your belongings confiscated, d. Denied any future entry to China (ever), d. Imprisoned, e. Worse. The Chinese government has the right to do all of these, and more to you when you are on their soil, and the US (or wherever you're from) can't do shit about it - especially if the Chinese government could present evidence that you willfully broke their laws on purpose.

    Let's say the risk is 1% - Is it worth it? I seriously doubt it. Check what you can do normally at internet cafes, and if you have to do something on a site that's blocked, just do it when you get back.

  66. Blabla... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I go to China quite often for work and usually stay for months. It is very hard to get by without being able to get around the Firewall, because most of the sites you'd visit are cut off. I use one of our servers in Japan as a VPN endpoint for regular surfing and it is quite stable. A server in Hong Kong would be fine as well, just make sure it is somewhere in Asia. The same goes for commercial VPN providers, which are a great option if you don't wanna fiddle around with setting up your own box.

    I wouldn't worry much about breaking the law. Most young people I know in China (locals) are doing the same and all the expats who live there use VPNs. The government couldn't care less about it. I've never heard of any expat who got into serious trouble with the authorities, even if they did something stupid. If it's really bad, they usually just ask you to leave the country and not come back for a couple of years. They certainly wouldn't do that for downloading porn or watching YouTube, though.

    As far as freelancing goes, if you are not working for a Chinese company, it is perfectly fine. If you do want to work for local companies, with which you'd likely make far less money than doing it for businesses overseas, you can always set up a consulting company in China and get a work visa through that.

    Don't believe the trolls, life in China can be a lot of fun, once you get the hang of it.

  67. Don't like censorship? Don't support it! by DL117 · · Score: 1

    You obviously don't like the Great Firewall, and presumably don't support China's totalitarian government. So, don't support China's economy and government by visiting China.

  68. Solutions by netheril96 · · Score: 1
    Chinese here. Solutions:
    • Use VPN.
    • If you have IPv6 access (you can use tunneling if your ISP does not have native IPv6), download a hosts file at https://code.google.com/p/ipv6-hosts/source/browse/hosts and replace your system's. This will force ipv6 connections to Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and some other sites. Append .sixxs.org to any other sites blocked. GFW does not censor ipv6 traffic for now, presumably because not many people use it.
    • Use GoAgent. It's documented in Chinese so you need help from Chinese to setup. In default mode it is very fast, but compromises secured connections. You can setup https mode by sacrificing speed.

    There are many other methods, all slowing down your Internet connection substantially, so I'm not going to recommend here.

  69. No problem w/ right equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Was all over China for about a month last year in both urban and rural areas. I used a mifi hotspot with unlimited data (a rental from XCOM) and ExpressVPN. Absolutely no connection issues anywhere in China and all web sites / internet resources were available. I used a separate mifi box from XCOM for Hong Kong.

  70. forget about the websites back home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with all the free movies available, you won't have time

  71. Freenet by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    And hope you don't get caught and sent to prison.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  72. ultrasurf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ultrasurf from ultrasurf.us
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasurf
    came across it while surfing the web recently,
    wiki explains why it was created

  73. OpenVPN on a free-tier AWS server by regdul · · Score: 1

    What I did after I went to china for the first time was to setup an openVPN server on a free AWS VM.
    If you know how to use the Linux command line, this is probably the cheapest way to get around any censorship, insecure wifi and other things. Steps (not very detailed):
    1. Get an AWS account (you need a credit card, but it will not be charged until you get over 15GB traffic and then it's 0.12$/GB) (here)
    2. Set up a micro VM of your choice (I prefer debian-based OSs)
    3. Install openVPN and configure it according to the HOWTO
    4. Install the client software on the computer you will be taking there (everything except iOS is supported)
    5. Test it

    You may want to set up a dynamic DNS for your server so the address doesn't change after restarts.

    As a bonus, the location of your AWS server is the exit point, so you can choose where you want your VPN to exit based on what is censored where at which time (I currently have it exiting in the USA because in Germany almost all music on Youtube is blocked).