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The Deepest Picture of the Universe Ever Taken: the Hubble Extreme Deep Field

The Bad Astronomer writes "Astronomers have unveiled what may be the deepest image of the Universe ever created: the Hubble Extreme Deep Field, a 2 million second exposure that reveals galaxies over 13 billion light years away. The faintest galaxies in the images are at magnitude 31, or one-ten-billionth as bright as the faintest object your naked eye can detect. Some are seen as they were when they were only 500 million years old."

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  1. Hard to imagine the vastness by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, I officially feel small now.

    I'm not sure whether to be more impressed by:
      1) the scale of the universe itself
      2) the ability of some insignificant bags of protoplasm on an insignificant planet near a run of the mill star, in a less than impressive galaxy could find a way to actually see that far
      3) the fact that they held the camera that steady for 2 million seconds (23 days)
      4) That the camera moved 36 million miles during those 23 days and it didn't make any difference in the final image.

    But other than that, the image looks exactly like a gazillion other images from Hubble, so one has to take it on faith that it is what it says it is.

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    1. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by N0Man74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      4) That the camera moved 36 million miles during those 23 days and it didn't make any difference in the final image.

      But other than that, the image looks exactly like a gazillion other images from Hubble, so one has to take it on faith that it is what it says it is.

      IANAA, but it is that it is all relative. My gut feeling says that moving 36 million miles is still fairly still in the scale of the universe. Don't get me wrong, I'm still very impressed.

    2. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok, I officially feel small now.

      so..... can we have your liver, then?

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    3. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also consider that this image shows 5,500 or so galaxies in a tiny fraction of the sky. There are something like 100 billion galaxies in the known Universe and trillions upon trillions of stars (cue Carl Sagan). I'd say life on another planet isn't just a possibility, but a statistical certainty. Of course, finding/reaching/communicating with that life might be another matter entirely.

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    4. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      5) the fact that the universe could smile and say "cheese" so long . . .

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    5. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      Space, is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

    6. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

      IANAA, but it is that it is all relative.

      Exactly.

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    7. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > the ability of some insignificant bags of protoplasm on an insignificant planet near a run of the mill star,

      Wow - with self esteem like that, no wonder you feel like crap. :-)

    8. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by Matheus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was pondering on this recently and was thinking the following:

      1) Light travels at that good ole' speed it does.

      2) Scientists continually marvel at the fact they are seeing the universe far away the way it was millions or billions of years ago.

      3) I never hear them comment on the fact what they are seeing has changed as much as our near universe in all of that time.

      SO... what's to say we're not looking at the beginnings of literally millions (+?) of civilizations that in a few million years would look to the Hubble like we do now from up close?

      Astronomers spend SO much of their time looking at light-speed forced history that I feel a certain slight is paid to what the present truly may be. The universe may be absolutely teaming with life that we won't be able to even see the beginnings of in ours or even our great-great-great-great-...........-great-great-grandchildren's lifetimes.

      Anyway... back to pondering...

    9. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by Pope · · Score: 4, Funny

      Space is big
      Space is dark
      It's hard to find
      A place to park
      Burma Shave

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    10. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by steelfood · · Score: 2

      To put it slightly more into perspective, each of the dots in the picture are not stars. They're galaxies. That's somewhere around one to several hundred billion stars in each dot.

      It's like, there are as many galaxies out there visible to us as there are stars in our own galaxy. Mind-boggling.

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    11. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Astronomers spend SO much of their time looking at light-speed forced history that I feel a certain slight is paid to what the present truly may be.

      Time is not universal. Across these distances, you can't just take our local clock and apply it to some remote location. Your question of "What is happening 13 light-years away simultaneously with what we consider the present?" just doesn't have an answer on its own. You need to define your point of observation. If you are using us as your observer, then what you see through the telescope is what you get. That's your present day reality.

      Astronomers grok this. That's why they don't bother with the science fiction,

    12. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by u64 · · Score: 2

      xasdfkgsjkelkdjfgsdf
      I believe i wrote that for a reason. And so i believed i did. But now i'm confused. I'm sure *that* was the reason.

      (damn. i'm in the weird part of slashdot again)

    13. Re:Hard to imagine the vastness by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't meet a different cat every time I make a choice to feed mine wet or dry food. It's the same cat.

      No fair - you peeked.

  2. 2 million second exposure? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    2 million seconds is 33,333 minutes which is 555 hours which is 23 days. You mean they took an exposure for 23 days to get this image?

    I'm not saying it can't be done, only that this seems a bit off.

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    1. Re:2 million second exposure? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not saying it can't be done, only that this seems a bit off.

      It would have been longer but the guy with the finger on the shutter button had a sudden nose itch, and well, you know how it goes.

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    2. Re:2 million second exposure? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      I don't know why that seems off to you. We're talking about extremely faint signals with absolutely terrible signal-to-noise ratios. It takes a huge amount of data to generate enough parity to resolve what's signal and what's noise. To be honest, I'm surprised this wasn't one of hubble's first missions.

    3. Re:2 million second exposure? by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

      They took many exposures totaling 23 days. From TFA:

      This image is the combined total of over 2000 separate images, and the total exposure is a whopping two million seconds, or 23 days!

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    4. Re:2 million second exposure? by vlm · · Score: 2

      Silly me I forgot to mention why you stack instead of stare.
      If you stare then looking at the physics of a CCD imager the photon, err, its resulting charge, that arrived 10% of the way thru the exposure, is going to start leaking thru the gate insulator. So is a digital result of 12345 equivalent to 12345 photons arriving the instant before you read the array out, or 98765 photons a long time ago that leaked outta the array? But if you take nice short exposures you don't have that issue.

      Ask an EE... there is no such thing as a perfect capacitor or perfect insulator... Close, but not perfect. You need to sample often enough that non-linear imperfections are not relevant.

      Think about it... a big ole 80s eprom that you smack the heck out of on the ground will leak its charge away in just a decade... a wimpy galaxy's worth of light is going to have issues much sooner especially since you want analog not digital threshold result. The physics are slightly different but this is close enough analogy.

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    5. Re:2 million second exposure? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      It's a digital detector that bigass mirror is pointing at.

    6. Re:2 million second exposure? by drkim · · Score: 2

      And does it run Linux?

      Yes.
      RegiStax6 can be run under Linux via wine version 1.3.17
      http://www.astronomie.be/registax/linux.html

      Unfortunately, the bad news is that you Linux folks will have to write a custom mouse driver with 6802 lines of code to click on the link above.

  3. Wow. by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously. Wow. The universe is awesome. Anyone unimpressed is either lying or ignorant.

    1. Re:Wow. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "its just a model."

      ("shhh!")

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    2. Re:Wow. by hazah · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but I don't believe you speak for God.

    3. Re:Wow. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure that anyone *doesn't* speak for God, or has any choice in the matter.

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  4. Meh by srussia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mere shadows on the wall of a cavern.

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    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shut up Plato, or we'll demote you to dwarf philosopher. Don't think we won't.

  5. When I heard the learn'd astronomer... by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 2

    When I heard the learn'd astronomer;
    When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
    When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them;
    When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-
    room,
    How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick;
    Till rising and gliding out, I wander'd off by myself,
    In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
    Look'd up in perfect silence at the stars.

    -Walt Whitman

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  6. Re:Hey everybody, it's Phil Plait! by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Science doesn't promote itself. If there were any justice in the world, the Hubble team would be as celebrated as any sports team. This is certainly a much greater accomplishment than anything that happened at the Olympics. But that's not the world we live in. We need people like Phil Plait to publicly celebrate science. If there's a bit of self promotion in there too, so be it.

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  7. Re:Hey everybody, it's Phil Plait! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    Jesus, you act like he's the Second Coming of Roland Piquepaille. Bad Astronomer's stuff is on-topic for the Slashdot crowd. A look back 13 billion years is interesting, and we count on guys like Bad Astronomer to bring it to our attention. Why don't you fuck off back to AOL or wherever it is you come from?

  8. Re:my God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think Carl put it best:

    "We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

    The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

  9. Slashdot going like digg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Here is the original link to NASA http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/xdf.html .

    Is there a reason old Philly gets so many articles pushed up on Slashdot? Or is it the discovery channel that's gamed Slashdot?

  10. So much in so little sky... by As_I_Please · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NASA's page about the eXtreme Deep Field has a picture showing the amount of sky photographed compared to the size of the moon. It looks like all 5500 galaxies could be covered up by a grain of sand held out at arms length.

  11. Re:The Great Silence by hazah · · Score: 2

    The problem with coming to conclusions before you have evidence is that you'll start fitting the evidence into your conclusion. How about you don't assume what we are looking at and simply take it in as it comes?

  12. Re:The Great Silence by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    The amount of time that intelligent critters who can manipulate tools and create recognizable radio signals for communication is likely to be very brief. In less than a century, data compression and encryption will make almost all of our radio traffic look like static from the outside. The vaguely intelligible bits sent out prior to that are so weak that they'll likely never be received or interpreted. Bottom line? Lack of intelligent radio indicates nothing.

    Intelligence != tool using either. Dolphins are a bright lot. They don't make radios. Other forms of intelligence may not even be recognizable to us. intelligent Jovian gasbags may have delightful discussions about mathematics, but we wouldn't even necessarily notice them if we were to send a powered probe into the atmosphere. For that matter, if Earth fungi were brilliant, how would we know? Particularly if they only communicate chemically and their major topic of discussion is the mathematics of weather and soil conditions.

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  13. Re:The Great Silence by mister_playboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The amount of time that intelligent critters who can manipulate tools and create recognizable radio signals for communication is likely to be very brief. In less than a century, data compression and encryption will make almost all of our radio traffic look like static from the outside. The vaguely intelligible bits sent out prior to that are so weak that they'll likely never be received or interpreted. Bottom line? Lack of intelligent radio indicates nothing.

    Jupiter's natural radio emissions are much more powerful than the total of all Earth-based signals. Even if one was looking for radio signals from our system, we wouldn't be the loudest voice.

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