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MIT Researchers Show Dash Font Choice Affects Distraction

bdking writes "A typeface family commonly found on the devices installed in many modern cars is more likely to cause drivers to spend more time looking away from the road than an alternative typeface tested in two studies, according to new research from MIT's AgeLab." It seems that the closed letter forms of Grotesque type faces require slightly more time to read than open letter forms of Humanist type faces, just enough that it could be problematic at highway speeds.

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  1. So True by ziggit · · Score: 1

    I just bought a new car a few months ago, and I've definitely noticed my driving style is entirely different now.

    I'm all about a simple dash, a stick shift, and few distractions; driving is one of the few times that I can sit down and focus non stop on something.
    In my new car, I find my self having to fight bad habits of fiddling with the radio and all the extra gizmos my car has.

    1. Re:So True by ballpoint · · Score: 1

      I have the same experience each time I switch to a new car. Don't worry. You will adapt.

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    2. Re:So True by maximus1 · · Score: 1

      Good point! I just bought a Camry hybrid (used) a few weeks ago, and have thought about this a lot. There's so much info on, and around the Dashboard about your mileage, etc. it's been a real challenge not to get distracted.

    3. Re:So True by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I replaced my car six months ago, and I'm still struggling with a couple of switches. The controls for both the windshield wipers and the bright headlights are reversed from the old car, and I really have to think about it before I use either. I had the old car for 15 years, so that's part of the problem. Everything else is becoming fairly ingrained though.

  2. Just don't text/SMS! by fantomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well it wouldn't matter if you weren't texting while doing 70 on the highway! :-)

    ok, I am sure the article is about the fonts on the dashboard or something like that but really, the number of drivers I see texting while they are rolling a ton of metal along at high speeds is ridiculous.

    1. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wholeheartedly agree!

    2. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am blind for most font differences. I can not even see difference between hyped "MS core" fonts and "ugly KDE" fonts.

      Only time when I can see difference is when I swap them rapily in LibreOffice or when I change konsole to use bitmap font without smoothing as by default it use smoothed fonts.

      It is just ironic that I do lots of graphical arts for my profession, but when it comes to fonts, I am totally blind to see the "huge difference". Thats why I always ask someone else to pick fonts for me.

    3. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Dupple · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well it wouldn't matter if you weren't texting while doing 70 on the highway! :-)

      I'm doing 70 and commenting on /. you insensitive clod!

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    4. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      seriously, there should be a $1000 fine for texting while operating a moving vehicle. Same as for throwing burning refuse (cigarette butt) out the window. OK, maybe it's not as bad as the cigs, but it's on the same scale of total disregard for safety and common sense.

    5. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Don't bother. A majority of people on here don't believe in personal responsibility. They believe they can do whatever they want without consequence because someone else will pick up the tab.

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    6. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I am too! What could go wr@#$ SIGNAL LOST

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    7. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Applekid · · Score: 1

      How about expanding that for any driving distractions. Rowdy passengers, excessively loud music, applying makeup while driving, eating and drinking while driving, playing with the GPS.... ... at this point you should realize it all falls under reckless driving anyway, and people calling for extreme fines and punishments for people who text and drive is just an excuse to bully others in the name of technology.

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    8. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by pod · · Score: 2

      Stop trying to explicitely criminalize individual behaviours. Doesn't work. Distracted driving is distracted driving. How is texting different from arguing with your passenger or yelling at your kids in the back, or any number of other things people regularly do that do not involve cell phones or texting? All are equally dangerous to texting, and perfectly legal. But being caught with a cell phone stuck to your ear is pretty obvious. Much harder to catch "distracted driving". It's all about politicians being seen "doing something about it". Causing an accident while texting is punitively punished, but causing an accident because your girlfriend was giving you shit is just something unfortunate that could have happened to anyone.

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    9. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by cellocgw · · Score: 2

      Causing an accident while texting is punitively punished, but causing an accident because your girlfriend was giving you shit^H^H^H^H head is just something unfortunate that could have happened to anyone

      FTFY

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    10. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Stop trying to explicitely criminalize individual behaviours. Doesn't work. Distracted driving is distracted driving. How is texting different from arguing with your passenger or yelling at your kids in the back, or any number of other things people regularly do that do not involve cell phones or texting? All are equally dangerous to texting, and perfectly legal. But being caught with a cell phone stuck to your ear is pretty obvious. Much harder to catch "distracted driving". It's all about politicians being seen "doing something about it". Causing an accident while texting is punitively punished, but causing an accident because your girlfriend was giving you shit is just something unfortunate that could have happened to anyone.

      A cellphone is, unfortunately, more distracting than the same person beside you. First, if they're beside you, they're in the same position you're in, and can adapt their conversation to suit the situation. Second, there's less human inhibition to just ask for quiet for a moment while you execute a tricky driving maneuver.

      For example, let's say you're talking to your boss on your phone. You're far less likely to ask him to shut up, ask him to repeat or make him pause as you try to change lanes or merge onto the freeway, and he's not in the car so he can't pause to let you execute these tasks without you saying so. But if he was in the car, he could see you're trying to merge or change lanes and pause appropriately, as well as repeat what he was saying before. Or if he spots some idiot who cut you off way too close, or sees you're struggling with holding both the impromptu meeting and driving, postpone the conversation until later.

      There are some considerate people who realize the person on the other end is driving and ask if it's a good time or if they should call back later, but most assume that they have your full attention (and get seriously annoyed if you ask them to repeat - forcing you to concentrate on the conversation even while executing more complex maneuvers). Hell, they can get offended if you politely remind them you're driving and would they please call back later.

      Even the radio isn't as distracting - turn on some talk radio, put on an audiobook, and you'll find drivers tune it out when necessary. If you ask them what they heard, most will admit to not listening because they were concentrating.

      If you really want proof - observe traffic sometime - you'll find those idiot drivers who slow down and drive erratically these days are on the phone - yapping away or texting, while being completely oblivious to traffic. Most aren't aware they do it either, but the fact it happens shows that they're slowing down as they can't process the road as fast and are doing so to be safer. Erratic driving the same - they're so engrossed with texting or their conversation that they don't realize traffic is moving or slowing down or even aware of lane boundaries.

    11. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by firewrought · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to explicitely criminalize individual behaviours. Doesn't work. Distracted driving is distracted driving. How is texting different from arguing with your passenger or yelling at your kids in the back, or any number of other things people regularly do that do not involve cell phones or texting? All are equally dangerous to texting, and perfectly legal.

      Stop trying to criminalize things you don't like with broad, subjective laws. Reasonable people have very different views on what constitutes "distracted driving" and no consistent interpretation will emerge until legal precedents get established (after the innocent and only-slightly-guilty have suffered). This creates more stress for everyone--citizens, judges, and law enforcement alike. It's much better to set clear expectations up front by passing objective laws that target specific behaviors. Sure, you might need some catch-all laws for the most egregious of offenses that you cannot predict (like the JATO rocket car myth, had it been real), but prosecution under such statutes should be limited in occurrence and any ambiguity/subjectiveness generally interpreted to favor the defendent (a concept called Contra proferentem in contract law).

      As a general principle, ambiguous legislation is worse than kneejerk legislation.

      Causing an accident while texting is punitively punished, but causing an accident because your girlfriend was giving you shit is just something unfortunate that could have happened to anyone.

      You have much more control over whether to text or not then you do over your girlfriend.

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    12. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Xenx · · Score: 1

      To be fair, people are trained to look at people when they talk to them. If you're talking to your passenger, you're less likely to be looking at the road. I'm not claiming it's better or worse than a cell, but it isn't like they're free of distraction.

    13. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*. I wonder how many Slashdotters today never had to learn Hayes commands.

      The meme is supposed to be "NO CARRIER", which is what your local modem would say when the other end hung up, or more commonly someone in your household picked up the phone while you were browsing some BBS, or in a shell session on some remote unix machine.

    14. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You tell the truth and they mod you as a troll. Yep, slashdot users lean heavily towards the left.

    15. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, people are trained to look at people when they talk to them. If you're talking to your passenger, you're less likely to be looking at the road. I'm not claiming it's better or worse than a cell, but it isn't like they're free of distraction.

      Yeah, and they're trained to look at the road when they're driving. To learn a new skill, sometimes you have to adapt old behaviors. For example, one could learn to ignore the fucking phone while driving.

    16. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      If you want to call that the "left." But you see the same attitude toward the government in all respects: Government=bad, doingwhateverthehelliwantfuckyouverymuch=Good. That's not right or left. That's narcisism.

    17. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by Xenx · · Score: 1

      You almost sound like you think people are above conditioned behavior. I fight the urge when talking to my friend in the car, and don't always win. It's especially bad when he is looking at something and comments about it. I know I'm definitely not alone.

    18. Re:Just don't text/SMS! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      I think people can condition themselves to selectively turn on and off conditioned behaviors. What's a brain for, anyway?

  3. So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Serif fonts are easier to read than sans-serif fonts?

    Who would have thought it!

    Bloody graphic designers. They'll join the lawyers, bankers, patent trolls, advertising shills, dodgy stock traders and so on up against the wall when the revolution comes!!!

    Hmmmmm - its going to be an effin big wall, or we're going to have to operate in shifts to clear the backlog.......

    1. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I thought it was serif fonts are easier to read on paper, but sans-serif fonts are easier to read on a screen.

    2. Re:So what we're saying is... by digitig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought that was a matter of screen resolution. At the resolutions commonly available when most studies were done, serifs would have been hard to render accurately and consistently. Heck, even on the screen and size I am using to type this, if I switch to Times New Roman the anti-aliasing struggles with the serifs on 's' and 'n' with the result that they look blurry.

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    3. Re:So what we're saying is... by drkim · · Score: 0

      Serif fonts are easier to read, especially large blocks of text. The serifs "lead your eyes" from one letter to the next, and help your eye group the words.

      San-serif fonts are OK for headlines and displays (as are decorative fonts) but are a little hard to read quickly in large chunks.

      Try this simple test: if you have access to an eReader, set up a san-serif font, medium small, and read a large block of a book you've never read before. Now, switch to a serif font, and read another large block of text you've never read before. You will see the difference.

      Actually, I wish /. would use a serif font for the body text.

    4. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Serif fonts are easier to read, especially large blocks of text. The serifs "lead your eyes" from one letter to the next, and help your eye group the words.

      Actually, that's an old theory that has been solidly debunked on both counts at this point.

      For a start, based on experimental research, we know that people don't actually move their eyes continuously across the text as we read. Instead, our eyes make short jumps called saccades, fixating on one point on the line and then another a few characters further along. That immediately makes any argument based on serifs "guiding" anything suspect.

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    5. Re:So what we're saying is... by csumpi · · Score: 1

      Serif fonts are not easier to read. The serifs were added to fix an issue with the old printing process, namely that the printing press would punch wholes in the paper at sharp edges of letters.

    6. Re:So what we're saying is... by BetterSense · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tried to read you post, but all I got was *fap fap*saccades*fap fap*

      Our eyes may use saccades at the hardware level, but we compose images with our brains' DSP (ASP?). The fact that the eyes jump around is interesting but means approximately nothing.

      I think it's safe to say that nobody sees the world in jerky motion from eyeballs moving jerkily. For that matter, the high-resolution fovea in the human eye only subtends a few degrees of arc, but you just never notice, because the brain has heavy-duty processing power that synthesizes a high-resolution picture of the world through image-stitching. You can only focus at once distance at a time, but we don't really notice that either. We have stereo vision which means that we see double-images of things, but we don't really notice any double-images. We can see our noses 24 hours a day, but don't notice that either. If you want to try a fun experiment, go into an absolutely dark room, stare straight ahead, and fire a camera flash. Do not move your eyes. You will see a bright, very realistic image of the entire room for many seconds if you can avoid moving (saccading?) your eyes. You see the perfectly bright room, even in the absolute dark, because if you don't move your eyes, it's probably still accurate. As soon as you move your eyes, though, the image disappears, as your brain flushes it like cache data that can no longer be trusted. Sort of a visual cortex version of copy-on-write.

      Typeface design is visual art. Visual artists have known for hundreds of years that certain shapes are pleasing, and how certain lines can draw your attention to certain features of an image, and how certain colors can influence mood. I'm sure it's all completely bunk though, after all, I read on Slasdot about saccades, so now I can dismiss another huge swath of scary subjective human experience and fence it safely out of the lonely introverted enclave that is my nerd existence.

    7. Re:So what we're saying is... by jbengt · · Score: 1

      To me, sans serif fonts are much better looking and easier to read. Could be, it's because my eyes are getting old and the serifs add to the fuzz. YMMV.

    8. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why strobes in a dark room are so overwhelming. Your brain holds on to the old image, and then jumps to the new image when the strobe fires again. A very interesting and disturbing effect depending on the context. This is also why many police flashlights now feature a strobe mode.

    9. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps you didn't notice the link I posted to Alex Poole's site, where one of the first paragraphs says "In 2003 as part of my master’s degree I reviewed over 50 empirical studies in typography and found a definitive answer" [emphasis added]? It then goes on to describe that work in a lot more detail, complete with numerous citations. I've read some of Alex's work, and I've read quite a few of the other pieces of works he cites. You obviously haven't, but hey, if you prefer to trust in "another huge swath of scary subjective human experience" rather than empirical data collected across a broad set of scientific experiments, knock yourself out.

      However, I suggest that you would be more convincing to others if, instead of attempting exactly the kind of unsourced pseudo-science you seem to be accusing me of and then throwing in a strawman or two at the end, you actually bothered to read the work I pointed to before. We don't have to guess at how these effects work or appeal to old wives' tales from the 1800s. We have detailed, properly conducted experiments using techniques like eye tracking and even updating text on a screen as fast as someone is actually reading it to determine what we really do see and how much our brain is filling in for us. Here's another page that describes some more experiments on related topics, which provide further examples of how the people researching this field reach the kinds of conclusions they do.

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    10. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like the printing press used to engrave Trajan's column? Dumbass.

    11. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... who should I believe? The guy who faps while reading Slashdot and thinks that medieval aesthetics represent modern science, or the guy who actually provides a coherent argument and references? Tough choice!

    12. Re:So what we're saying is... by kenorland · · Score: 2

      He had the right idea, though. From Wikipedia:

      The explanation proposed by Father Edward Catich in his 1968 book The Origin of the Serif is now broadly but not universally accepted: the Roman letter outlines were first painted onto stone, and the stone carvers followed the brush marks which flared at stroke ends and corners, creating serifs. Another theory is that serifs were devised to neaten the ends of lines as they were chiseled into stone

      Note that neither theory is about readability.

    13. Re:So what we're saying is... by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      Look, I appreciate all the research. I find it fascinating. The more we know about human perception, the better. I would also prefer that design choices take empirical evidence into account. But if typeface designers and graphic artists say that a certain font 'flows better' or 'conveys a sense of industry' then that doesn't mean you need to (or even can) conduct research to prove them wrong.

      If a graphic designer says that serifs 'lead your eye', but tests show that there is no difference in reading speed, then that's interesting, but neither the graphic designer nor the test is wrong, because the design choice is subjective.

      Serif fonts were invented hundreds of years ago, evidently because the designers felt, as grandparent stated, that they are 'easier to read, especially large blocks of text. The serifs "lead your eyes" from one letter to the next, and help your eye group the words'. They were not wrong about this, no matter about reading speed, saccades, or empirical studies. The grandparent's 'simple test' is what you have to go on. I'm not going to prefer some shitty ugly typeface just because 'studies show' that it's no worse than a pleasant typeface. An ugly shitty typeface is an ugly shitty typeface if I say it is.

    14. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear there's a convenient large wall on the US's southern border.

    15. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you left out the emphasis (no pun intended).

    16. Re:So what we're saying is... by drkim · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to prefer some shitty ugly typeface just because 'studies show' that it's no worse than a pleasant typeface. An ugly shitty typeface is an ugly shitty typeface if I say it is.

      I agree 100%
      Also, some guys Master's thesis isn't "studies show." In fact, some of his studies showed a difference in preference of serifs, and some showed no preference, which means that you can pick and choose the answer you like.

      I prefer serifs for reading large blocks of text. I cannot say if this is because I grew up reading serifed fonts, or there is an actually a benefit to serifs and readability.

      I would be very interested in people's reaction to the test I proposed earlier:

      Try this simple test: if you have access to an eReader, set up a san-serif font, medium small, and read a large block of a book you've never read before.

      Now, switch to a serif font, and read another large block of text you've never read before.

      Which do you find more readable?

    17. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have heard that this is a US-centric position; a lot depends on what you are accustomed to, and in the USA people are accustomed to (old-fashioned) serif fonts (printed on archaic paper sizes, measured in archaic measurement units, too).

    18. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I didn't, but apparently Slashdot just uses a broken default stylesheet these days so you might not be able to see it. :-(

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    19. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Your entire argument is a strawman. At no point did I, or anyone else other than yourself that I can see, say anything about "flowing better" or "conveying a sense of industry" or even using "some shitty ugly typeface" for that matter.

      All I said was that this objective claim:

      Serif fonts are easier to read, especially large blocks of text. The serifs "lead your eyes" from one letter to the next, and help your eye group the words.

      was wrong. And both the explanation and the conclusion are objectively wrong, as demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt by a large body of solid research, some of which I've directed you towards in this thread.

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    20. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I prefer serifs for reading large blocks of text. I cannot say if this is because I grew up reading serifed fonts, or there is an actually a benefit to serifs and readability.

      And yet that's essentially what you did say.

      Obviously you're perfectly entitled to your personal opinion and whatever subjective preferences you like; I have never argued otherwise. I just said that the research contradicts your generalised, unqualified, doubly-emphasised objective statement, which on balance it clearly does.

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    21. Re:So what we're saying is... by drkim · · Score: 1

      both the explanation and the conclusion are objectively wrong, as demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt by a large body of solid research, some of which I've directed you towards in this thread.

      I read the "large body of solid research" (in spite of it being set in a sans font) and it was a rambling collection of references, some of which support your position, and some of which did not.

      If you think it somehow "demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt" your position, or somehow invalidated my assertion, perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension skills, instead of typography.

    22. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but how on earth do you think any reference, from among those I posted or otherwise, supports your claim that serifs lead the eye from one letter to the next? Numerous studies support the saccadic pattern, showing that you don't actually move from one letter to the next at all, in direct contradiction to your original claim.

      This is tiresome. You seem to be one of those people who isn't interested in the facts or learning anything new, and who will dig in and defend a claim even though it's well known to be just a popular myth. Instead of spending a few minutes with Google finding out for yourself, or providing the slightest shred of actual evidence to support your own position, you have simply latched on to a couple of convenient summaries of relatively recent research findings that I happened to quote, cherry picked evidence even there, and then ignored the fact that essentially all of the serious studies found that if there was any significant difference between the readability of serif and sans serif work for a general audience, it was at most a small difference in whichever direction. Your bold claim that serifs are better simply doesn't stand up, and no amount of statistical sophistry, hand-waving dismissals or cheap ad hominem attacks will change that.

      Anyway, enough now. If you can't even understand why your original claim was overstated and have no desire to improve your understanding or challenge your own beliefs, there's little point in continuing this discussion.

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    23. Re:So what we're saying is... by drkim · · Score: 1

      ... you have simply latched on to a couple of convenient summaries of relatively recent research findings that I happened to quote, cherry picked evidence even there, and then ignored the fact that essentially all of the serious studies found that if there was any significant difference between the readability of serif and sans serif work for a general audience, it was at most a small difference in whichever direction.

      Yes, I cherry picked the ones that supported my claim, and you cherry picked the ones that supported yours. Claiming the ones you cherry picked are the "serious studies" (so of course, the ones I cherry picked must be those 'frivolous' studies quoted in the same paper) is inane.

      Tell you what, Mr. Typeface. Why don't you go down to your local library, and read all the many, many books they have there that are set in san-serif fonts.

      Enjoy!

    24. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, I cherry picked the ones that supported my claim, and you cherry picked the ones that supported yours.

      Every empirical study I know from recent years that has considered human reading behaviour has come down in support of the saccadic pattern. Every. Single. One.

      No cherry picking is required. To the best of my knowledge, no even moderately recent study supports your argument that serifs lead the reader's eye from one letter to the next. None, at all, not even one.

      I don't see how to be any clearer than that. If you disagree, all you need to do is cite just one study that backs up your claim, from any time since we started using the experimental methods like eye tracking that I mentioned before. Go ahead; I'll wait.

      As for the wider question of whether serifs are more readable or not: again, no cherry picking is required. No study of reading by the general population, as far as I am aware, has shown more than a tiny difference between serifs and sans serifs in either direction. A few reach the point of using the magic word "signficant" one way or another, but only just. Many don't reach a significant result at all.

      If you want to claim that some studies show a very small advantage for serifs while others show a small advantage for sans serifs and most draw no firm conclusion either way, that's fine, I'll agree with you. But that's not what you wrote, in bold italics, with a completely wrong argument to back it up.

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    25. Re:So what we're saying is... by drkim · · Score: 1

      No study of reading by the general population, as far as I am aware, has shown more than a tiny difference between serifs and sans serifs in either direction.

      No. Not a tiny difference. About a 5 times advantage.

      Read Wheildon's "Type & Layout: How Typography and Design Can Get Your Message Across-Or Get in the Way" sometime. It's recent (1995), and based on well constructed experiments.

      In one of his tests, Wheildon found "...of 112 readers who read an article without difficulty in serif type, 67 showed poor comprehension after they had read a similar article of direct interest set in sanserif type. Of these, 53 complained strongly about the difficulty of reading the type, 11 said the task caused them discomfort (eye tiredness) and 32 said the type was merely hard to read."

      ...so, now you're 'aware.'

    26. Re:So what we're saying is... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on. That book is based on Wheildon's earlier research, which dates from nearly 30 years ago, before we had access to modern eye-tracking technology and related experimental techniques. Moreover, that original research was never published in a peer-reviewed journal, and it has subsequently been criticised both for its apparently unsound methodology and for its reliance on subjective reporting rather than objectively measurable results. Numerous other studies have observed that actual measured performance in their reading experiments did not corrolate well with the personally reported preferences of test subjects.

      And it still doesn't support your original argument that serifs lead the eye from one letter to another.

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    27. Re:So what we're saying is... by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Really. Who would have thought that some fonts are easier to read/process than others? I'm so glad we have so many smart people looking into this.

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  4. Nice find but.... by abhi2012 · · Score: 1

    That's an interesting find but in my personal opinion when it comes to driving I think the more voice based it goes, the better it is. Looking at dials and screens is always distracting and more often than not can prove fatal.

    1. Re:Nice find but.... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      When it comes to driving, the sooner humans are not doing it the better. There will always be distractions. Even the lack of external distractions just creates internal ones.

    2. Re:Nice find but.... by clickety6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Too true, What bugs me these days is how many TV documentaries feature interviews with people who are driving cars. Stop talking to them and let them concentrate on driving. If you want to interview them, hire a bloody studio and sit them on a couch to do it - not while they're trying to guide 2 tonnes of metal through a busy intersection in town at 30 miles per hour!

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    3. Re:Nice find but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those dashboard cameras on youtube. I find it scary how much they look at the camera while driving around. It is not uncommon for 50% to be on the camera. Often, they are 70% or more.

  5. How does this affect web design ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    So what font should you choose on your web site ? I note some research that Making things hard to read 'can boost learning'; so should I use a serif or sans-serif font for my web site ? I suppose it depends on the purpose of my web site.

    1. Re:How does this affect web design ? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      I hear top students use textbooks printed using the dingbats typeface.

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    2. Re:How does this affect web design ? by Rainer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what font should you choose on your web site ?

      Your user's preferred font in their preferred size and with their preferred colors.

    3. Re:How does this affect web design ? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      That is what user stylesheets are for. Fonts can be expressive and are an improvement over textual graphics. Take responsibility for yourself, don't expect every website to cater to your needs.

      p,a,em,i,b,ul,li,div,block,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6 { font-family: [your font]!important; }

      Drop that in your user stylesheet.

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  6. Also, Comic Sans linked to road rage by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    (...)

  7. Just use Comic Sans by CodeheadUK · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone loves Comic Sans.

    Then all drivers will be happy, smiley and give way to old ladies.

    1. Re:Just use Comic Sans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy must have Comic Sans all over his dashboard then... and face: http://youtu.be/RcpSGB3odyU

    2. Re:Just use Comic Sans by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Comic Sans is for schools and community newsletters. Pro desktop publishers and graphics designers use Papyrus

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    3. Re:Just use Comic Sans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “I know I shouldn’t be here,” Comic Sans whispered across the room. It was dark, but there was light streaking in through the window. Papyrus was half awake on the bed.
      “It’s okay. Helvetica has gone for the night. You may have the spare bedroom if you would like.” The light fell in across Papyrus’ face. He smirked. “Or you may sleep here. I would love to feel your curves caress the sharpness of my body.” Comic Sans climbed into bed next to Papyrus and before he knew it, Papyrus’ letter Y was running softly along the opening to Comic Sans’ O.
      “Oh.”
      “I want you.”
      “This is wrong. What about Helvetica? What will he think?” Comic Sans’ neither region was dripping with want. It was a sweet smell.
      “Shh, baby. He’s not here.” And Comic Sans pulled Papyrus over his text.
      “Fuck me,” Comic Sans whispered, softly. Papyrus was more than happy to oblige and shoved his Y right into Comic Sans’ O.

  8. I feel lied to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did anybody else think this post was going to be about hyphens?

    1. Re:I feel lied to by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      At first peek at the title I thought this was about the Ubuntu dash. *facepalm*

    2. Re:I feel lied to by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      /me raises embarrassed hand!

    3. Re:I feel lied to by tool462 · · Score: 1

      I was hoping to see a comparative analysis of the em- and en-dashes. Huge letdown.

  9. Heres MY Research by Spectrumanalyzer · · Score: 1

    My research shows that signs with BOOBS in them, whether this is just women showing off their BOOBS on the roadside (which is, for some odd reason, quite common in Denmark)...is the main source of distraction. ...Now, show me a typeface that will affect YOUR distraction away from the BOOB-signs.

    1. Re:Heres MY Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My research shows that signs with BOOBS in them, whether this is just women showing off their BOOBS on the roadside (which is, for some odd reason, quite common in Denmark)...is the main source of distraction. ...Now, show me a typeface that will affect YOUR distraction away from the BOOB-signs.

      Good choice of font, sir! The typographic ligature between the two consecutive "O" characters is particularly entrancing!

  10. Missing control group. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wher's the control group with the CD holder on the sun visor, or the console and floorboard full of cassette tapes?

    Hell, even just a damn blank dash -- Who's to say we don't just find excuses to look away from the road: There are side windows full of billboards...

    1. Re:Missing control group. by Thong · · Score: 2

      I live in Canberra Australia where billboards are not allowed. I've been here for 15 years and now when I leave town and go to say, Sydney, the billboards drive me crazy. They're such a blot on the landscape. Plus now it seems that every second one is trying to give me a boner. Not by showing me beautiful women but chemically!

  11. Hebrew script by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    Taking things to extremes...anyone who bothers to read your site will either be educated and Jewish, a theologian or extremely determined. Very high learning and retention rate.

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  12. I'm blind by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm blind you insensitive clods, the typeface in all cars should be braille and nothing else.

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    1. Re:I'm blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've often wondered about braille labels, even computer outputs, would it allow the driver to keep his eyes on the road more?

      Or is the problem that the drivers MIND wonders?

    2. Re:I'm blind by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered about braille labels, even computer outputs, would it allow the driver to keep his eyes on the road more?

      Someone ust got completely wooshed. Cant for the life of me figure out if it was me or you. :)

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    3. Re:I'm blind by drkim · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered about braille labels, even computer outputs, would it allow the driver to keep his eyes on the road more?

      That is why the controls have different shapes to them, so you can feel them without having to look down.

    4. Re:I'm blind by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'm blind you insensitive clods, the typeface in all cars should be braille and nothing else.

      That was only humorous because it's so close to the truth. I'm not sure if it's still that way, but when I had my eye operation, the elevator buttons in the parking garage were marked in braille.

      Why in the hell would you have braille elevator buttons in the parking garage? Why would a blind person be in the parking garage without someone with him? he certainly didn't drive there!

      But the funniest part was that the elevator buttons in the hospital itself had no braille markings, only in the parking garage!

  13. Old news by Misagon · · Score: 0

    This isn't exactly a new finding. Typographers have known this for over a century, if not multiple centuries. Why do you think newspapers are printed in seriffed typefaces?

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    1. Re:Old news by icebike · · Score: 1

      If it's been known for centuries, wouldn't you think that the hard to read type faces would have long since been scrapped?

      And why are there so many font fanatics still making the tiny subtle changes, then rushing of to show them off to other font fanatics, followed by much gushing, and quibbling, followed by copyright cat fights?

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    2. Re:Old news by Kenoli · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't exactly a new finding. Typographers have known this for over a century, if not multiple centuries. Why do you think newspapers are printed in seriffed typefaces?

      This research deals with the shapes, proportions, and spacing of characters in square grotesque and humanist typefaces. It doesn't have anything to do with serifs.

    3. Re:Old news by 1u3hr · · Score: 2

      If it's been known for centuries, wouldn't you think that the hard to read type faces would have long since been scrapped?

      They're not "hard to read". Just not so easy, and often, as in a headline or a label, slowing you down to pay attention is what they want. Styles that truly are hard to read, like Fraktur, are seen only in faux medieval text, like on wedding invitations.

    4. Re:Old news by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Problem is, Times Roman looks crap on computer screens. 76dpi simply doesn't work.

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    5. Re:Old news by ballpoint · · Score: 1

      Why ? For sake of tradition and because all other papers are doing it.
      I find serif typefaces other than on Roman monuments and for headlines fuzzy and distracting. So I read online where sans-serif prevails.

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    6. Re:Old news by Nelson · · Score: 1

      Wasn't New Century Schoolbook demonstrated to be noticeably easier to read in large scale tests? ALl the subtle things, the serifs, the a-spacing and c-spacing. I could have sworn I saw a study on that from like the 70s.

      The problem is, the easier to read NCS font is ugly to look at. There are intermediate options, but sans-serifed fonts with simple lines and curves have a better looking style. A car in particular is a difficult blend of style and function.

  14. Completely OT but... by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    Driving through a small town in Wiltshire, England yesterday, while waiting at lights I saw a young black woman wearing a red dress and coat and red shoes. She was quite stunningly beautiful. I'm surprised there wasn't a multiple pile up. Distraction can take many forms. Fortunately by the time the lights changed I had finished thinking about art history and trying to remember which painting it was that was nagging at the back of my mind. But it doesn't take boobs to create distractions.

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  15. Remember ICONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to plain ICONS on the dashboard? When did we start adding words, AND WHY?

    1. Re:Remember ICONS by digitig · · Score: 1

      So what icons do you propose for the numbers on the speedometer?

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    2. Re:Remember ICONS by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      I don't really pay attention to the speedo when I'm driving, except the odd glance at it when I'm in an area with average speed cameras.

      If the pitch of the engine changes, my speed is changing.

    3. Re:Remember ICONS by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      If you live in a perfectly flat world with no terrain, yes. :)

    4. Re:Remember ICONS by drkim · · Score: 1

      So what icons do you propose for the numbers on the speedometer?

      No numbers...

      Your GPS tells your car where you are, and thus knows the speed limit for the road you're on. (My TomTom does this now.)

      The speedometer would then simply be a bar-graph (like a volume bar on a sound system) that would scale automatically to the speed limit.
      http://www.ese-web.com/images/216.jpg
      i.e. If the speed limit is 40, then the bar-graph would light up green from 0 to 30, yellow from 30 to 40, and red from 40 to 50. If you were driving from a 40 zone into a 25 zone, even if you missed the sign, your speedometer would suddenly peak out in the red, and you would reduce your speed until you were in the yellow again.

    5. Re:Remember ICONS by swilver · · Score: 1

      And a question mark when GPS/Speed info is not available?

    6. Re:Remember ICONS by Geeky · · Score: 1

      I don't think I particularly take the numbers into account - once you're used to a car it's much more about where the needle is pointing - you kind of get a feel for it visually on that basis. Thinking of it as a clockface, 6 would be 0mph - if it's in the 9ish range I'm within the limit for town, 12 is about right for out of town, maybe 1, even 2 on the motorway.

      There's a surprising amount of wastage there - my speedo goes up to speeds way beyond legal, which wastes space - and therefore precision at lower speeds.

      My previous car had a digital speedo, which made it impossible to get that rough glance "am I in the right ballpark" view of speed. On the other hand, the (illusion of) precision probably kept me under the speed limits due to the difference between being able to tell myself I was doing "about 30" and the car telling me I was doing exactly 34...

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    7. Re:Remember ICONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just put your dad on the front passenger seat.

      Look at the expression on his face to see how fast you are going ;)

    8. Re:Remember ICONS by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      If you live in a perfectly flat world with no terrain, yes. :)

      Or drives a manual gearbox. The pitch remains the same for each speed in each gear, though the timbre changes as you use more or less gas.

    9. Re:Remember ICONS by digitig · · Score: 1

      My dad always reckoned that when my mum stopped knitting it meant she was nervous about his driving, so you might be on to something!

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    10. Re:Remember ICONS by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      I always found 7-segment displays to be the easiest type of speedometer to read. No fancy font needed.

    11. Re:Remember ICONS by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      No, if I slow down on a hill the pitch of the engine changes too. Do you understand how cars work?

    12. Re:Remember ICONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I propose Arabic (Indian) numerals as expressed in European languages.

    13. Re:Remember ICONS by digitig · · Score: 2

      Yes, my TomTom does that, as does my wife's NavMan. And they both very often get the local speed limit wrong, for a number of reasons -- dynamic speed limits, temporary speed limits, speed limits dependent on weather conditions (common in France), insufficient precision to determine which of 2 roads we are on (especially when the roads are stacked vertically, such as the A4/M4 in West London). GPS is a good way of determining one's speed (when one has a signal), but it's a crock at comparing that to the speed limit. Looking out of the window at roadsigns is always going to be better than a satnav devices database.

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    14. Re:Remember ICONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because your speed should always be proportional to the limit, not governed by your vehicle, with the load it's carrying. If the speed limit is changed from 25 to 45, that curve you didn't even slow down for is now safe at 40?

      No, The only aspect of driving related to the speed limit is avoiding fines. For everything else -- that is, the important parts, concerning safety of yourself and others -- the road speed matters. Either take the driver out of the loop, or give him useful information directly.

    15. Re:Remember ICONS by Applekid · · Score: 1

      My first car was a 1989 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with a digital dashboard, I was too young to know exactly but remembering back it seemed like a VFD. It had not only a 7-segment for the current speed, but also a digital gauge for the speed, so instead of a dial and a needle, there were markers and a long arc of segments lit. The 10s were marked with smaller 7 segments, so that when you switched it into metric the display would update (and presumably the scaling on the arc so the numbers were still divisible by ten. There was supposedly an option that mine was not equipped with that would project the current speed onto the bottom left of windshield so you can see how fast you were going without having to look too far away from the road.

      I always thought that digital displays were as cool as chips and in looking for an example image I found this site and it made me happy: http://www.doubleyoudigital.nl/~cars_digital%20dashboards.php

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    16. Re:Remember ICONS by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying, from personal experience, if I want to maintain the same speed (or I have the cruise control set to maintain a consistent speed) and the car hits a significant hill, the pitch changes as it drops a gear and/or increases RPM to compensate. I have a general understanding of how internal combustion engines work, though I am not an enthusiast by any means.

      I have a good ear for pitch though, being a musician. I used to rely on the pitch myself when I didn't have cruise control but I did find it's often a bit deceptive ... sometimes you get big open areas that have a slight grade to them which isn't really obvious, but makes a significant difference to speed at a given engine RPM. You don't realise until you look down and see you're going 20 over, even though the same engine pitch was keeping you pretty steady earlier on. Cruise control is a must-have for me these days though, makes long drives a lot less stressful since you can keep your eyes on the road and not be constantly worrying about speed cameras (which are everywhere in this part of the world).

    17. Re:Remember ICONS by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Right, but you get pretty used to how the engine sounds in all gears. On motorways and other long straightish flattish roads you're going to be sitting in top gear pretty much constantly.

      I guess if you're driving a very, very old automatic that doesn't have lockup then you'd have the engine revs change a bit.

    18. Re:Remember ICONS by drkim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because your speed should always be proportional to the limit, not governed by your vehicle, with the load it's carrying. If the speed limit is changed from 25 to 45, that curve you didn't even slow down for is now safe at 40?

      Most states have a 'basic speed law' which supersedes the posted speed limit, and usually says, "your speed should be what is safe for conditions." i.e. if it's wet, dark, pedestrians present, etc.

      So, if you have a heavy load, or can't see clearly, you should have slowed for that curve anyway.

      There are cases where people were ticketed for blowing the posted speed, but were able to successfully avoid the fine by showing that, although they were in excess of the posted speed, they were still running at a safe speed. (Don't try this at home!) Of course, they had to lose a day at work, and drive to court to 'win' sooooooooooo.....

    19. Re:Remember ICONS by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to plain ICONS on the dashboard? When did we start adding words, AND WHY?

      Back in the pre-globalization days, there were no icons, only words. I hate to say this, kid, but those of us who actually know how to read fucking HATE icons.

      What's worse is the lack of tactile feedback. Used to be you only had to read the word once, then you knew that knob was for the headlights, this knob is the wipers, this knob the heater fan... you didn't have to take your eyes off the road AT ALL.

      Now? Stupid kids...

  16. Hebrew or Babylonian? by Arker · · Score: 1

    Either one will work in terms of selecting a more educated, judisk, and desireable readership.

    But it's still a very important question, which?

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  17. On your basis by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    we would have to think that 99% of website designers are fscking morons, and the other 1% is either in academia or unemployed.

    Microsoft's greatest success was to ensure that the typesetting got done by the document creator and not the document viewer, thus preserving the market for the world's most unnecessary program - Word - forever. Raging against it is a bit too late now.

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    1. Re:On your basis by Arker · · Score: 1

      Yes, well over 99% of working website designers are absolute morons. This cannot possibly be in doubt, within the circle of persons who have actually attempted to use a popular website within the last several years it is so obvious as to be non-controversial.

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    2. Re:On your basis by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing the designers and developers with the dilbert-esque bosses.

      It's amazing how little some PHB who wants to leave his mark on something has to do in order to completely destroy it, at least when it comes to anything design-related (for some reason a lot of people who would never dream of poking at a machine design and saying "I think we need a slightly larger cog here because I like large cogs" think that when it comes to design you can change the individual components without the whole thing falling apart).

      Throw a few marketing guys into the mix and suddenly the easy-to-follow and user friendly design has been butchered completely (admittedly marketing guys tend to be a bit more understanding of design-related matters but they tend to fail miserably when it comes to more general UX issues.

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    3. Re:On your basis by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Get those marketing types involved earlier during concepting. Have them provide real copy, not just Lorem text.

      Then you'll know what you are in for earlier, can design around this requirement. Better yet discuss the merits of the copy and find out what they want to accomplish (SEO ?) and work on ways to also have a good UXD.

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  18. Nice. by 0m3gaMan · · Score: 1

    Drivers should to pay attention to the road in front of them - not some cutesy in-car display that Madison Avenue portrays as "useful" while driving.

    1. Re:Nice. by digitig · · Score: 1

      How accurately and consistently can you judge your speed?

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  19. Not "Grotresque", but "Square Grotesque" by pieleric · · Score: 3, Informative

    The summary links to Grotesque, but what they use in the article is "Square Grotesque", a modified version which is _really_ square and IMHO hard to read (and which apprently quite appreciated by car manufacturers). Concluding every Grotesque font is hard to read is definitely not what the research demonstrated.

    The best is to have a look at the paper, which has good examples. A similar font can be found on wikipedia there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurostile (but I find this one is still slightly easier to read).

    1. Re:Not "Grotresque", but "Square Grotesque" by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      My '95 Honda Magna motorcycle actually uses Eurostile for the speedometer and tachometer, and I like it that way. I also spend minimal time reading gauges because there are only two of them. As they say, YMMV.

  20. Nothing to do with (sans)serif by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the PDF, people, damn it, before jumping to conclusions.

    The fonts used in the experiment were Eurostile as the grotesque and Frutiger as the humanist. Both of those are sans serif.

    This is about shapes, form and spacing.

    1. Re:Nothing to do with (sans)serif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in this time, shapes, form and spacing differences is in size of 1-2cm instead 4-6mm.

      I still prefer analogic metering in car dashpanel. I want just two big well lighted hands what are bright. 100Kmh on middle of top on speed meter and 3000RPM on "11 a clock" position. I don't ask anything else. Because then I don't need to watch dashboard as I can just focus to scan my 120 degree frontal area when on highway or normal road (I continually scan from left to right if there is forest) and sometimes to check back mirror when other car comes visible far away to check is someone wanting to pass me.

      I love to keep my safety distance (kilometers per hour = meters to car front of me) and I don't speed and I don't drive under speed limit but trying to hold 1-3kph from speed limit if good conditions. When the visiblity is bad or road is slippery or something else, I lower my speed 10-30kph. In urban if there are schools or playing grounds for kids, I lower speed and being ready to make emergency breaking if needed. If people are about to walk over their lines, I give them change to do so. When I notice lights turns red at front, I slow speed so I can continue driving without stopping (and only cars behind me stops are those who can not handle their cars same way).

      I don't understand the need for driver to use phone, text or use navigator. I do have GPS in my smartphone on use in my car. But it is voice controlled (Thanks Android) and it is located between left side mirror and windshield so it isn't blocking view at all.

      And if I have passangers in my car, I focus even more to traffic and surroundings because I am responsible for their safety. Even if it is "whining" about their belts or being drunk and "jumping" around.

      I have been witness in few accidents, never has they been my fault anyway. Like few days ago few teenagers tought that I was driving too slow at 80kph area (79-81kph was my speed) as first car and they awesome idea to pass me behind the line of 6 cars on 1km straight road, speeding to 160kph, only ending up to hit on a truck what was coming ahead and very well visible. Distance of truck to me at time when teens started to pass me was 150 meters, and teens distance to me was 80 meters. I needed to make emergency manuver to right side of the road to give them space to avoid that truck, but they didn't have time to avoid impact. It was like a suicide. At least they had my space so they could littlebit turn to my line to avoid full impact. The bad side was, the truck trailer and cargo slided to my line, even when driver was trying to brake at 80-100 meter distance. All cars behind me was crashing to each other because they didn't have safety distance, while I was aware what is happening behind be and possible situation at front, I could pull far right and around whole situation.

      Would a better font helped in that case? No.... No way. Would better dashboard etc helped? No, no technology helps when there are stupid 24 year old driver in control of speedster and ego so big that they need to show their girlfriend they can drive like in movies.

      It was sad to listen other drivers blaming to each other, while they were not focusing what is happening, they just stared car back front of them, having the 10m distance at speed of 80kph. Their tunnel vision just is cause for everything.

    2. Re:Nothing to do with (sans)serif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the PDF, people, damn it, before jumping to conclusions.

      Please don't disturb the discussion with facts. Seriously, what are you thinking to post such distractions?

  21. I think the lesson here is by mozumder · · Score: 2

    Eurostile is a pretty terrible font.

    1. Re:I think the lesson here is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently they haven't learned though, as they've used it for the footer

    2. Re:I think the lesson here is by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Eurostile is a pretty terrible font

      Nothing wrong with Eurostile for what it is, just that in this case (where *any* tradeoff between legibility and style- however minor- might have an effect), it's probably not the best choice.

      In fact, I'd say the fact that it's still "functional-looking" enough is how you could imagine car manufacturers using it in a dashboard whereas (e.g.) a black letter, or cursive/joined-up "handwriting" font would be much worse, but obviously so (and hence not likely to be chosen and hence not an issue here).

      It seems that the closed letter forms of Grotesque type faces require slightly more time to read than open letter forms of Humanist type faces

      This is true but incomplete; the study used Eurostile (apparently a Square Grotesque font), which is clearly less legible and a stronger example of those claimed issues than Helvetica. Helvetica is still a "Grotesque" type font).

      I'm not saying that Helvetica is the perfect choice, or as good as a Humanist font, just that I suspect it doesn't suffer from this problem to anything like the same extent as Eurostile.

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    3. Re:I think the lesson here is by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      (Correction; second quote above is from article, not GP post)

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  22. Those who refuse to remember UNIX are doomed by Arker · · Score: 1

    They shall rediscover it's blessings, again and again, each time as if new. And the world shall fall flat, and laugh uproriously, at such ignorance, and such arrogance. These people are actually expecting people will believe this BS, no?

    *ROFL*

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  23. most important: Girls read much faster! by Herve5 · · Score: 1

    Reading the original white paper, (http://agelab.mit.edu/files/AgeLab_typeface_white_paper_2012.pdf) a salient feature is definitely, for all tasks, all measurements, all graphics: women react noticeably faster --and by far...
    Then the poor guys indeed have a different lag time according to the font, OK...

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  24. You have to space them out a bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gotta get that kerning right.

    Oh boy, I probably just killed Wednesday for a lot of people. Gooooodbye productivity! And website likely.

    1. Re:You have to space them out a bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you really hate us all?

      http://xkcd.com/1015/

      (posting anon in hopes that I don't undo my existing moderation)

  25. Interesting study, but by slimdave · · Score: 0

    They should follow it up with work on the effect of presenting scientific findings through the medium of a video which continually shifts from one person's speech to another, with each speaker rarely allowed more than one sentence before the voiceover or another speaker continues the thread of their message, or some floating text is slowly revealed as it drifts across the screen. It's probably received wisdom that floating images, continual movement on the screen, and cutting between different presenters holds the attention of an audience, but there's a clear difference between getting eyes-on-screen-for-as-long-as-possible, and communicating a moderately sophisticated message. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.

  26. Akzidenz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First "Grotesk" font listed on wiki:

    Akzidenz Grotesk (1896)

    that's some prescient shit!

  27. Funny story... by JimmyVolatile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This has been "tested" around 2002 in Norway. A car registration plate font redesign was conducted to make all plates issued from that moment look more modern and stylish and a font similar to Eurostile were implemented. All in the name of creating a mono-space font which would make all plates equal width. ("IL 111111" would be just as wide as "MW 123456")
    Result: Numbers 3, 6, 8 and 9 went from being easily distinguishable at 80m+ to be undreadable by speed and toll cameras. You could pass speed cameras with little risk of getting fined and drive on any toll road for free. Sombody else would end up with the bill due to the misreading of the license plates.

    Scroll down to see examples here:
    http://www.typografi.org/bilskilt/bilskilt.html

    In 2004 they decided to go for Myriad with variable white-spacing instead. This has not yet been implemented :)

    1. Re:Funny story... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >look more modern and stylish

      Yep. That's always a winner approach in safety.

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    2. Re:Funny story... by JimmyVolatile · · Score: 2

      Errata: The redesigned Myriad-based licence plates were finally made mandatory in Nov 2006 after a 2.5-year delay. All vehicles bought or re-licenced after this date are issued with the new design. http://www.typografi.org/bilskilt/dk54019_myr.jpg . Casually looking out at the nearest 15-space parking lot 6 years later shows a ~80% adoption rate of the new style licence plate :). 2002-style plate is on remaining 2 of the cars and pre-2002 style on 1 car.

    3. Re:Funny story... by Speare · · Score: 1

      This is something that bugs me no end: ever since setting lead type, I've known that there is a fairly strict rule in typeface design: all digits are the same width. You can't typeset a useful ledger sheet if the 1 is narrow and the 5 is wide. Usually, all digits are an "en space", the same as the letter N, which is in turn half the "em space" or width of M.

      I see bad examples all the time in digital typefaces. Clocks are the usual glaring example, the whole clock shifts around as it rolls through the ones. MS Excel at one time included a bad font file which broke this rule... which brings us back to the ledger sheet example.

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    4. Re:Funny story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Result: Numbers 3, 6, 8 and 9 went from being easily distinguishable at 80m+ to be undreadable by speed and toll cameras

      That's because speed and toll cameras are trained to read a specific font and no other. It has nothing to do with human readability. They wouldn't be able to read Times Roman font either.

    5. Re:Funny story... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      This is something that bugs me no end: ever since setting lead type, I've known that there is a fairly strict rule in typeface design: all digits are the same width. You can't typeset a useful ledger sheet if the 1 is narrow and the 5 is wide. Usually, all digits are an "en space", the same as the letter N, which is in turn half the "em space" or width of M.

      It depends - there's "table type" and "text type" for numbers. For table type, yes, all numbers have to be the same width and more importantly, have no descenders or ascenders, so all the numbers are lined up in neat rows and columns, required for tables.

      For text, though, numbers can be proportionally spaced AND have ascenders and descenders to keep them looking more like text (e.g., 169 would have the top of the 6 above the rest, the bottom of the 9 below, and the 1 about the size of the circular parts).

      Of course, it's rather annoying to have to have two sets of number keys - one for entering numbers as a tabular format and one for entering it in text, so the fixed-width and fixed-height seem to have stuck (though not as pretty in text). Which is annoying as some fonts implement proportional spacing and ascenders and decenders, which is fine for text, not so much for tables.

      Fixed width/height numbers is the lesser of the two evils though as numbers are used far more often in tabular data than in the middle of text. But it would be nice if typesetters (and e-book readers) would allow both.

  28. Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do the have the wisdom of all fonts?

    1. Re:Who are they by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Do the have the wisdom of all fonts?

      It's true though. The R'lyeh Plus Dread font on my Wal-Mart Lower Prices import car drips green goo through impossible angles. VERY distracting while driving!

  29. The problem isn't the font... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ... the problem is that one has to look away from the road to see the screen.

  30. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drivers do not look at speedometers. Why should they? After all they can instinctively drive at just below the speed limit under all conditions.

  31. The problem is controls, not the fonts. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    I find it amusing that we needed MIT researchers to discover what a good designer with typographic experience could have told you. It's fundamentally not that much different than the thinking that has to go into selecting fonts for road signs. It's what drove the recent change from Highway Gothic to Clearview.

    The problem is when designers and their managers are driven by being different and place the emphasis on style over functionality. Part of the challenge is selecting the right font for an implementation. Serif fonts are actually easier to read when dealing with large amounts of copy, but for quick identification a round sans-serif font with clear open space is more effective. The goal is to have a font with letters that are as distinct as possible. Of course there are added challenges when dealing with displays. A basic low-res display is going to limit options considerably.

    That said, a far bigger problem than type selection is usability of the system. Touchscreens are the absolute worse type of interface because they demand full attention to operate. Even those operated by knobs and buttons, requiring menu navigation demand too much attention. It's become a fad to ditch other kinds of controls in favor of buttons, leading to consoles crammed with them and no real consideration for their placement. Physical controls need to be grouped in logically related clusters, and dials should be used more extensively. Hell, I think there's a good argument for toggle switches.

    Operation by touch alone should be the goal.

  32. Parsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm too lazy to read the article.

    Did they do a comparison between the time required to read the whole screen (new driver) and the time it takes to parse the screen to just find the information you are interested in (current MPG)?

    When I bought my Chevy Sonic in November 2011, it took me a while to get used to the digital dashboard display. It just seemed to take too long to get the information from it that I was interested in. In time, I got used to the layout, and my eyes go directly to the part of the screen that contains the information that I am interested in, and I process the information as my eyes go back to the road.

    What I'm trying to express is that fonts only really make a difference until you are used to the presentation format. Then, as long as the format stays the same, and you've absorbed the character set, it really doesn't matter so much. The only difference then is with the new driver.

  33. Poor auto interfaces continue by DavidHumus · · Score: 2

    So continues a recent tradition in the auto industry of poor interface design: replacing speedometer dials - easy to read approximately but quickly - with digital speed displays which give unnecessarily precise information; replacing tactile radio buttons with digital displays and moving numerous other devices that could be used without looking at them to a (single point of failure) screen that requires taking ones eyes off the road.

  34. It's not just you by Zinho · · Score: 1

    I clicked through out of pure curiosity over how a hyphen would be rendered differently in serif vs sans-serif...

    and left disappointed =(

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  35. why should you have to look at the dash? by swschrad · · Score: 1

    if the car is designed right, you don't.

    I can think of a lot of automakers that should be sued for this, starting with BMW, the leaders of the plot to fiddle and look away from the road instead of drive, and periodically drop a hand to a switch that is right where it should be.

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