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Google Blocks Author's Ads For Offering Torrent Of His Own Book

An anonymous reader points out the recent trouble of author Cody Jackson, who wrote a book called Learning to Program with Python. He offers the book for sale, but also gives it away for free, and he used the CC-BY license. In order to distribute the book, he posted links to his torrent of it. Unfortunately, this cause Google to suspect his AdSense account for his website. Even after removing the links, he was unable to get in contact with Google's AdSense team to get his accounts restored. After his story was picked up yesterday by Techdirt, somebody at Google "re-reviewed" his case and finally reinstated his account. Jackson had this to say: "One good thing about this is that it has helped raise awareness of the problems with corporate copyright policies and copyright regulation as a whole. When a person is unable to post his/her own products on the 'net because someone fears copyright infringement has occurred, there is a definite problem." This follows a few high-profile situations in which copyright enforcement bots have knocked down perfectly legitimate content.

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  1. Get used to it by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its only going to get worse.

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    1. Re:Get used to it by spokenoise · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well he could distribute it via megaupload or similar. Oh-wait...

    2. Re:Get used to it by Metabolife · · Score: 3, Funny

      This post was removed due to Dice content standards violations.

    3. Re:Get used to it by worf_mo · · Score: 2

      Informative seems close enough since there is no +1 "Disturbingly True".

    4. Re:Get used to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>> "One good thing about this is that it has helped raise awareness of the problems with corporate copyright policies and copyright regulation as a whole. When a person is unable to post his/her own products on the 'net because someone fears copyright infringement has occurred, there is a definite problem."

      > Its only going to get worse.

      The system is working perfectly as devised: call me paranoid, but IMHO the main idea is to suppress uncontrolled culture distribution, be it free or from unaffiliated parties (i.e., all the ones from which for-profit distributors cannot take a slice from the revenue). Except that "slice" is loosely defined to be up to 90%.

      That's why I think there's no possible compromise with *AA, patent trolls etc. The only good deal is the one by which they're kicked in the *ss and get to pay lawyer/court costs.

  2. Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by crypTeX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright enforcement by software: the speed camera of the internet...if the traffic ticket were set to eliminate your whole wage. Actual people could review this stuff...or we could all accept that if you use the tools a giant corporation provides to you at essentially no cost, you are totally at their mercy.

    1. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the only memory that stands out for me from Seaquest. In the first few moments of the premiere episode, Roy Scheider is speeding on a motorcycle, and the govt. scans his tags/ID and launches his phone to advise him the fine has been deducted from his social security account.

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    2. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Precisely. Google didn't stop him distributing it in any way, they just stopped him advertising the fact on their own systems, which (I'm guessing) have been plagued with people trying to advertise illegal torrents. Then they took a second look at their mostly-automated system and realised something had gone wrong, and corrected a false positive. For a company their size it's a realistic response. The big problem is that such a high percentage of torrents are illegal that it's giving a perfectly good and indeed useful technology - far more useful than "the cloud" whatever it is these days - distributed, multiply redundant, peer based information technology? Hell yeah! It's amazing, pity it got hijacked to the extent where legit companies are scared of it.

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    3. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, the problem is that Google only bothered to take that second look after he ran out of options for communicating with them, and had to complain to the entire internet and shame them into acting.

      If he hadn't managed to get a big audience for his complaining, he'd still be locked out.

    4. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

      Well, I've tried. There are no good alternatives.

      From one side, that's tipical in every monopoly, and Google is in a very "the winner takes it all" market, so it's tempting to say that they sould be regulated. From the other side, there are several big players losing enough money on this market for prooving that Google is better just because they are more competent, not because they are abusing their monopoly. That's an argument for letting the market unregulated... Since I have a liberal (real liberal, not US liberal) bias, I'd say that we need overwelming evidence before regulating a market, and there isn't overwelming evidence any way.

      I think it is just about time somebody starts a Youtube-like site outside of the US... But not me :P the risk is a bit too high.

    5. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. The problem is that the entire Mankind relies on Google to get new information.

      (I don't know how to solve it. But that's the problem.)

    6. Re:Google doesn't want to pay a human for this... by Golddess · · Score: 2

      As to whether you signed the social contract, well, you don't get to freely live in someone's house just because you were born there, do you?

      For about 18 years you do. :P

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  3. Post Deleted for copyright violation by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would write something insightful but then the copyright police would come after me for violating my own copyright.

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    1. Re:Post Deleted for copyright violation by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Genius! Can we use this to set the RIAA on the RIAA and hence cause a divide by zero situation whereby the organisation consumes itself in a welter of litigation?

  4. Begs the question by Narnie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the numerous articles about copyright enforcement bots recently, it makes me wonder why there is so little human oversight about account banning. Or even attempting to match the author to the work to the copyright in question to the offending post. Apparently, it is better to throw out all the apples, and review the ones that that claim they aren't bad.

    It also makes me wonder why it seems difficult to talk to an actual person at google about account restoration. I hope to never have to go through the process.

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    1. Re:Begs the question by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

      There's no human because of the sheer volume of work that would be involved. It would be a huge effort to actually valdidate all of the things their bits think are in violation..

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  5. Not Yours! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a corporation can make money on your stuff, you are not allowed to give it away.

    America, by the corporations, for the corporations.

  6. Torrents != Piracy by lattyware · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why the 'torrents == piracy' mentality is such an issue - torrents are seen as such a red flag these days that it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are unwilling to use BitTorrent as a distribution method as it's seen as a bad thing.

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    1. Re:Torrents != Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it goes further than that. Here are some things that don't indicate one way or another whether they're illegal or not.

      Downloading copyrighted material
      Bittorrenting
      Bittorrenting Copyrighted material
      Downloading a DVD
      Downloading a Movie
      Downloading Photoshop from the internet
      Not paying for software
      Not paying for copyrighted software
      Downloading music with bittorrent
      Downloading Movies with bittorrent

      It's the redefinition of language and linking terms with illegality that benefits large lobbyists to ensure more powers that hurts, here. It's not really a mentality so much as a sneaked in change in meaning that not all of us notice until we read lists like I made above and find a little gut feeling that some of them must be wrong and avoided, when there's no indication one way or another in the terms themselves.

  7. A more general problem by neminem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It really isn't just about auto-copywrite-infringement bots. It's really about non-overrideable bots with no human oversight in general. This problem reminds me very much of a problem I had a week ago, in which I wanted to put a large purchase on a credit card (then pay it back like the next day, with money I'd just been paypal'd, but that hadn't made it to my bank yet). I told the bank a week in advance: I am making a large purchase on this date, please don't flag it as suspicious. The response back was that they would make a note, but it would probably be marked suspicious anyway, and there was nothing they could do about it.

    So I get there, I try to make the purchase, and sure enough: the charge is canceled and my card is suspended. So I call up the bank, tell them what happened, ask whether they can fix it. Answer: nope, it was all automatic, you'll have to call back later and hope someone with more privilege than a first-level phone support operator has is around. Thanks a lot, every-bank-on-the-planet (cause really, it's not just that one bank, they're all like this now.)

    Yes, computers are getting more powerful. Yes, you can cut costs by hiring fewer humans to do superfluous things. You can cut costs even more by hiring fewer humans to do things they're really required to do, and just do a frelling terrible job of it as a result. But at least keep one person around at all times to clean up after the resulting mess, please, every company ever? Thanks a lot.

    1. Re:A more general problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had this problem several times back when I was still in college, I was trying to use my checking account to buy a TV from Best Buy (worked there in college, actually had reasonable prices for employees).

      After going through the 'check approval process', my check was denied, and I was given a number I needed to call to "authorize" the check. I called the number, and was given the whole, "it was flagged as suspicious, we can't approve the check, the computer says it is suspicious and I only read what is on my monitor" spiel. After arguing for close to an hour, I gave up and had to go to my bank and have them issue a cashier's check for the purchase. Utter idiocy.

    2. Re:A more general problem by neminem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I feel like you're responding to a statement that is remarkably different from the one I made.

      Does having a credit card "entitle" me to the ability to use it? I suppose not. One would merely assume that if I were a company in the business of providing a particular service, I would attempt to avoid putting up roadblocks in the way of my customers using that service, or be worried that they would go elsewhere. But that was before everyone realized that they could have shitty customer service as long as so did everyone else.

      In any case, the fact that I would have the money the next day was entirely irrelevant, except that I didn't want to give people reading it the feeling that I was being fiscally irresponsible by charging things I couldn't pay back immediately (in fact, I didn't tell the credit card people that, being their main business strategy depends on people making large charges and -not- paying them back the next day...)

      I assure you, I definitely did have the credit limit, which is all they would care about (as evidenced by the fact that after calling them back later and getting them to really-for-sure-this-time tell their computer I was about to make a large purchase, the same charge went through without issue.)

      In conclusion... nice troll?

  8. I hereby designate Sept 29 "Torrent Anything Day" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you have a google adsense acct, torrent your novel, grocery list, anything trivial or not, that you own copyright to, and post an ad to the link. Make the automated tools as useless as possible and show that a 'guilty by default' rule is just WRONG.

  9. Assuming Infringement by Default by chromatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The default assumption of these automated checkers is that anything shared is infringing.

    I've run into this myself. While I give away my book Modern Perl free in electronic forms, my publisher charges a nominal fee for the Kindle version to cover expenses. I made some changes recently to fix some formatting problems and edit out a couple of typos. After I uploaded a new version, the Kindle copyright police declined the update (to a book they'd already allowed in their store) because they thought it was available online for free elsewhere.

    I understand that no one wants a million copies of Wikipedia articles clogging up book stores, but it would be nice if there were a way to say "Yes, the contents of this book are available under a Creative Commons license and I have the right to distribute it."

    (My publisher has the same right to distribute the printed copy, and Amazon is very happy to sell that version.)

  10. The first rule of copyright by idontgno · · Score: 2

    is that we don't talk about copyright.

    The second rule of copyright, if you feel like violating the first rule, is that all copyright belongs to big rights aggregators and media monopolies until extensively and conclusively proven otherwise.

    The third rule of copyright is that all copyright belongs to big rights aggregators and media monopolies even after extensively and conclusively proven otherwise.

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    1. Re:The first rule of copyright by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 2

      is that we don't talk about copyright.

      The second rule of copyright, if you feel like violating the first rule, is that all copyright belongs to big rights aggregators and media monopolies until extensively and conclusively proven otherwise.

      The third rule of copyright is that all copyright belongs to big rights aggregators and media monopolies even after extensively and conclusively proven otherwise.

      The fourth rule of copyright is that these rules are copyrighted and may not be redistributed in any form without express written consent from Copyright Rules Inc.

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  11. The other problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The other problem is that the only way to get in contact with google is to have a story published on a high profile website.

  12. Re:Google is also a victim here. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is also a victim here, a victim of language re-defined by rights-holders (those who usually aren't creators) such as the RIAA, MPAA, BSA and the like. They've been given power, and they use it to redefine terms. That affects how we think and react.

    The obvious difference, since it seems you missed it, is that a multi-billion dollar company like Google actually has the power to do something about it, but instead, they play the game, because regardless of what they claim their company philosophy is, the bottom line is... well, their bottom line.

    If Google sees more profit in "being a victim" to laws they could very well change, then they will do precisely dick to change them. Period.

    Welcome to Capitalism, comrade.

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  13. Google contact by phorm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google is a terrible company to get ahold of. I'd imagine that they might get a lot of phone-spam and useless complaints, so try to keep their support lines hidden, but when problems or bugs arise it's often very hard to find out who to contact.

    This is especially true as they're supporting many "consumer" markets such as android etc.

    1. Re:Google contact by 1u3hr · · Score: 2

      It's impossible to find any Google staff for issues about "Google groups" which is what they call their version of Usenet after they embraced and extinguished it. They enabled a tidal wave of spam to destroy all the technical groups that had survived everything else for decades..

  14. Exactly what they want by NoKaOi · · Score: 2

    Isn't this is exactly what the large publishers/record companies/movie producers want? Make it more difficult to publish or own stuff which makes it harder to compete with them? Remember when you had to be a computer nerd to make a website to share information? Now anybody who can click a mouse can post whatever they want on Facebook or elsewhere. That's exactly what the publishers don't want to happen to them.

    The only way this problem is going to be improved is if the law requires some sort of human oversight, and somehow held accountable for such blatantly false takedown notices. Not that I see that happening anytime soon.

  15. Contacting google customer support, lol by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

    Yeah, good luck with that. You can post something on a message board they'll ignore and that's the extent of customer support it seems.

  16. He's lucky the press noticed by ChrisKnight · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been trying to resolve a Google AdSense issue for a year, and they just don't seem to give a damn.

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    1. Re:He's lucky the press noticed by crystalattice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am the author mentioned in this article. The only reason my story got picked up by the media is because I first sent a news tip to Techdirt, as I know they like to discuss copyright issues.

      I had sent notice to Slashdot when Google initially shutdown my ad account, but there wasn't much of a story at the time. Luckily, someone decided to cross-post the story from Techdirt to Slashdot, which may have helped Google make a decision.

      So, all I can say is let as many tech sites know about your problem as you can and publicly shame Google into helping you.

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  17. Adsense "Review" by enter+to+exit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, has anyone ever tried to resolve an Adsense dispute with Google and not have it ignored or denied?

  18. Banned from Adsense by softegg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, evidently I got banned from Adsense for life because I put some ads on our forums and the kids did the darnedest thing... they actually clicked on them. A whole lot of times. I really didn't have any control over that. So they kept all the money I was to be paid from ALL of my sites (not just the one that the kids were clicking on), and banned me from Adsense, seemingly forever. I would click on the appeal button and ask what is up, and 6 months later they just say "denied".

    I tried some of the other ad networks like Chiquita and Bidvertiser, but most of the ads were misleading or for scams and I had to delete them. The ones I did keep, on the most popular of my sites, have earned less than $1 in the entire time they have been up. Basically, Google has a monopoly on online advertising for small websites, so I'm pretty much screwed on ever making money from website advertising ever again.

    Thanks for clicking on the ads, kids! Not...

    (I wonder if this means that you can royally screw over websites by going and clicking on their ads every day?)

  19. Too much dependence on Google by slashmojo · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's what happens when Google is the income source, traffic source, video host, blog host, stats/analytics provider etc etc etc. You inadvertently break one of their rules and you lose your business or a substantial part of it with no recourse or at best a long wait for an appeal to be considered with no guarantees. The result is people jumping through hoops to get around such issues such as by having multiple accounts with fake details (or real details but using multiple registered companies) .

    People really need to break their dependence on Google (and any other almost monopoly) even if it initially means making a bit less money or having to do a bit more work, ie. install piwik for stats (or use statcounter) , install wordpress on your own server for blogs (or use wordpress.com), use other ad networks (there are many or you could even sell your own ads) and optimize everything as much as you can (test test test!), get traffic from other sources - amazingly it is possible!

    In other words - don't be lazy! Google is not the only game in town, they just want you to think that.

  20. This happened to me too by xiando · · Score: 2

    Google blocked my AdSense on one of my websites a while back. The only reason stated was "torrents". The torrents on the site were for completely legal documentaries about false-flag terror. Google does not care what torrents are for, if you post a torrent on your site for your own work or works you can legally distribute then they will simply block you on the grounds that you are using a completely legal distribution protocol called BitTorrent.

  21. Re:Google is also a victim here. by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Google sees more profit in "being a victim" to laws they could very well change, then they will do precisely dick to change them. Period.

    Over the last few years Google has established a major lobbying operation in Washington, and has been spending significant amounts of money at trying to change the laws. The fact is that individual corporations, however wealthy or influential, don't actually have the ability to rewrite the laws, and certainly not in a timeframe less than decades.

    Note that I work for Google, but I'm not involved in any of what's being discussed here. I did, however, have a chance to discuss the issues with an attorney Google hired to lobby against software patents. She was hired the same day I was and while going through our orientation I had a chance to chat with her over lunch. She had previously worked for other lobbying firms and had a deep understanding of how the system works, and her comment was that it can be changed, but at a rate of inches per year, not miles per hour -- and that for every lobbyist working to push the law one way there is another lobbyist pushing back the other way.

    Look at some of the changes Google would clearly like to make: Software patents are nothing but pain for Google. The company has had to cave in and start acquiring and creating patents, but only because to do otherwise would result in being destroyed by them. Copyright law causes huge pain for Google. Not just because it ends up having to try to enforce copyrights -- even though it really couldn't care less; almost none of Google's business relies in any way on copyrights -- and not just because it ends up taking crap over its inevitable enforcement errors, but because copyright law as-is actively impedes much of what Google wants to do. It appears that the system has decided that Google's caching of web pages is probably okay, but there has been a lot of question and controversy which has cost a lot of money. There's the Google Books thing which still hasn't been settled.

    An area in which Google is finally starting to make a little progress is the law around self-driving cars... but even there Google has really only gotten a couple of states to agree that it's okay for a car to drive itself as long as there's a human driver ready to take over at any instant and who takes full responsibility for anything the car does, which is only a small first step to what Google really wanted.

    And what about SOPA? If Google is so all-powerful politically, why was the whole Internet blackout day even necessary? Why didn't Google just pay off the lawmakers in question and shut the whole thing down? Because it doesn't work that way. Many people criticized Google's post-SOPA efforts, saying that Google's efforts to help craft compromise legislation proved that Google didn't really care about the fundamental principle -- but influencing compromises is how you make progress in Washington and Google simply doesn't have the power to take a hard line and be successful.

    There's no doubt that corporate lobbying does influence our laws, substantially, and probably excessively. But that's a far cry from saying that any corporation can just buy whatever legislation it likes -- and that is especially untrue for a new participant like Google. Google has only existed for 14 years, and has only gotten involved in politics in the last four or five years. Give them another 20 years of lobbying and they'll probably have built the sort of influence that may allow them to affect the laws in significant ways -- but it still won't be dramatic, or the changes very fast.

    Honestly, with respect to copyright law, I think the first thing Google and other proponents of a more rational copyright world need to do is not lobby for changes in laws, but to educate the public. The public needs to understand that copyright is itself a compromise, where society grants a temporary ownership to a creator in order to increase the flow of works into t

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