Colocation Provider PRQ Raided; Wikileaks and Many Torrent Sites Offline

An anonymous reader writes with some chilling news about PRQ, the infamous colo founded by two Pirate Bay founders. From the article: "Stockholm police raided the free-speech focused firm (PRQ) Monday and took four of its servers, the company's owner Mikael Viborg told the Swedish news outlet Nyheter24. While a number of bittorrent-based filesharing sites including PRQ's most notorious client, the Pirate Bay, have been down for most of Monday as well as PRQ's own website, Viborg told the Swedish news site that the site outages were the result of a technical issue, rather than the police's seizure of servers." Torrentfreak is reporting that the Pirate Bay isn't using PRQ for anything important (if at all), and that their downtime is due to a faulty PDU that happened to fail as a coincidence.

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Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

More and more these days, it seems like the Governments of the world are trying to suppress free speech. People should be up in arms over this. These locations should be protected with armed guards, with order to shoot first and ask questions second.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[noh8rz9]

good riddance i cant stand those wikileaks people. show some courage and man up to your "leaks." dont hide in an embassy like a sissy.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[fustakrakich]

Spot on, and seeing this happen in a place like Sweden makes it even more disturbing. We are in regression, or devolution. Don't know which is more correct, but it's not good. It can only result in a new, very dark age. The desire for freedom is seen as a sign of lunacy to many.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[ClioCJS]

Because allowing yourself to be killed is the real sign of a man. Now prove it by walking into your nearest highway.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Rei]

Riiiiight. Because Abu Hamza has only one country which has to approve his extradition (instead of two in the case of Assange), has few fans (compared to Assange, who according to polls has on the order of hundreds of millions), was trying to *set up terrorist training camps inside the US* (instead of leaking videos and cables), has no "get out of extradition free" card from being charged with an intelligence-related crime (Swedish law bans extradition for intelligence matters), and on and on... and he's *still* in the UK. He was arrested in 2004, and he's *still* not extradited. And the US has already not only promised no death penalty, no abuse, no guantanamo, they even had to promise not to send him to a Supermax prison. And he's still not sent. And we're supposed to worry about Julian F'ing Assange and his paranoid fantasyland? Especially after this?

Anyway, hey, remember way back when Ghandi was charged with raping someone, and he went and hid in an embassy? Oh, that's right, he went to f'ing jail for actual political charges. Well, remember when Mandela was charged with raping someone, and he went and hid in an embassy? Oh, that's right, he went to f'ing jail for actual political charges. But no, Assange walks around like he's a hero, bragging about how much of a hero he is, when the actual felony he's facing is that he waited until a girl (SW) was asleep in order to F' her unprotected because she wouldn't let him do it while awake. And the crazy thing is he hardly even denies the charges. His legal team admits that she had been refusing unprotected sex the night before (it'd be hard not to, they have a condom with DNA matching the DNA sample from inside her, and she talked with friends that night talking about how he kept trying to F' her without protection and how she was getting really frustrated with it). Even the guy's own legal team was not challenging the fact that they "found Mr Assange's sexual behaviour in these encounters disreputable, discourteous, disturbing or even pushing towards the boundaries of what they were comfortable with" His team claims only that she woke up, was fully conscious, and then consented to sex. Which is just patently absurd, given that she had been just telling people about how upset she was about him trying to have unprotected sex with her, and she has a "paper trail" a mile long of being afraid of pregnancy and STDs, to the point where her previous boyfriend of 2 1/2 years testified that not only did she not once allow unprotected sex (it was "unthinkable" to her), but she even had him get STD tested before *protected* sex. So she woke up in the middle of the night, after complaining repeatedly about him trying to violate a lifelong principle, was fully conscious, and decided to change her views on unprotected sex? *Really*?

Assange has appealed the case in five separate courts and lost all of them: three in the UK, including the UK supreme court, and two in Sweden (the Svea court hearings), the latter two specifically focusing on the forensic evidence and interviews. But no, a random assange-fan echo chamber sourcing most of its info from Assange's admitted liar lawyer is justice, while five separate actual courts in first-world nations are railroading, right?

Just pathetic. Assange is dodging some serious F'ing charges here, and it's horrible to see so many people cheering on the majorly

Re:Free speech under attack.

[ClioCJS]

Ghandi and Mandela going to jail were idiot moves that took away the enjoyment of their lives, as well as hindered them from taking the direct action they wanted to take. Martyrdom is for terrorists.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

Faggot.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

What a load of bollocks.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

What I want to know is why sites like this keep trying to locate in unfriendly countries. Why not put them in someplace safe, like Russia? Is the bandwidth there a big problem or something?

And yes I know, Russia isn't exactly a big fan of free speech either, but they don't give two shits about IP laws and certainly not about protecting American IP. If you put something on your servers that criticizes Putin, sure you'll get shut down. But if you put up tons of pirated American media for people to download (let alone simply torrents), they're not going to care, instead they'd welcome the business.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[psiclops]

Because Abu Hamza [wikipedia.org] has only one country which has to approve his extradition (instead of two in the case of Assange), has few fans (compared to Assange, who according to polls has on the order of hundreds of millions), was trying to *set up terrorist training camps inside the US* (instead of leaking videos and cables), has no "get out of extradition free" card from being charged with an intelligence-related crime (Swedish law bans extradition for intelligence matters), and on and on... and he's *still* in the UK.

So your argument against the belief that he is only being extradited to Sweeden so that he can then be sent to the U.S. is to present evidence of how difficult is is to get someone extradited directly from the U.K to the U.S.?

And we're supposed to worry about Julian F'ing Assange and his paranoid fantasyland? Especially after this [guardian.co.uk]?

you're sourcing a news article that's nearly 2 years old. Try looking at what's being going on more recently. like Within the last week we have news that "THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency."

"Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death."

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Yomers]

This is not true, in Russia it would happen earlier, there are multiple examples of seized servers due to IP violations. One country that I know that does not have IP laws is Vietnam.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[evanism]

I don't think we have ever been really free, at least in a modern sense.

I suspect the early Picts, Vikings and other tribes had significantly more freedom than we have today.

We live in a pervasive information society, one where the government is the biggest customer and companies are all too happy to sell our data to it.

Our grandchildren will piss on our graves for what we have allowed.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency.

Ah, yes, the standard "make things sound worse than they are by providing a negative association in the headline" tactic. I guess saying "have designated Assange and Wikileaks as Enemies of the State- the same legal category as Martin Luther King and Henry David Thoreau" just doesn't get the weak-minded whipped up into a religious fervor.

"reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death."

Uh, well yea it's called "Espionage" and such a designation actually does NOT carry any "legal" status and it's not a "legal" category. What it does is sets a uniform policy for US Military people where they are not allowed to have certain types of communications, business relationships, etc. with such an organization or person or it will be automatically considered to be "communicating with the enemy" aka Treason. It doesn't apply to civilians at all, it doesn't allow anybody in the government to do anything differently in regards to Assange or Wikileaks either.

So your argument against the belief that he is only being extradited to Sweeden so that he can then be sent to the U.S. is to present evidence of how difficult is is to get someone extradited directly from the U.K to the U.S.?

I'm not sure what point he was trying to make, but here's the actual reason why Assange's claim is BS:
From the Wiki- "As a member state of the European Union, the United Kingdom is party to an agreement whereby extradition must be refused to any country which has the death penalty and where the suspect is to be tried in a capital case." Which kind of ruins his whole argument that he didn't want to go to Sweden out of fear of deportation to the US, as both the UK and Sweden are bound by the same agreement so it doesn't matter which country he's in.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[L4t3r4lu5]

Host a Tor relay. As other nodes close to you request data posted by other nodes, you yourself become a host to make loading quicker in the future, speeding up the network. It becomes quite resilient.

Yes, this means you're potentially hosting something illegal, but you can't access it (the cache is encrypted) and it can't be traced to you (you are just another anonymous node between the host and the client).

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Xest]

It's easy for the US to get stuff taken down in Russia, they just have to pay the right police a few thousand USD, that's peanuts.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. Given the fact that he's got to be extradited VIA the UK. Since he is arrested under common European law, that is an absolute requirement. He would need to get extradited back to the UK and _then_ to the US, and the charges need to be valid in Sweden _and_ UK.

Also the fact that you point out that the maximum sentence is death invalidates your entire argument anyways. It is absolutely _forbidden_ in Sweden as well as all EU member states to extradite someone to a country if possible sentences include death. It is not considered civilized over here and there are all kinds of legal guarantees to protect against it. It is even a requirement to even get considered for EU membership, something some of the newer member states from the former eastern block had experience with first hand.

Considering the number of spooks and Vietnam runaways that has gotten refuge in Europe over the past fifty years, and no one has been extradited for the above reasons, I'd say we can be pretty sure about this.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Neil_Brown]

One country that I know that does not have IP laws is Vietnam.

Are you sure this is still the case? I thought Vietnam had signed up to WIPO, and had "pretty standard" copyright laws now?

Not necessarily the best reference source, but here's something which seems to support this, and also "Vietnamese Copyright Laws: Foreign Copyright Owners Beware!" (pdf).

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

Don't forget, the other thing you have to take into account is the level of enforcement. China, for instance, professes strong protections for IP. But everyone knows that's a total joke. So IP laws don't necessarily equate to actual IP enforcement (particularly in response to claims by foreign copyright holders).

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

Seems like Iran should be a better place to host such sites (than it is; they're not very open with their internet connections). They'd be happy to thumb their noses at the US authorities and copyright holders.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

My big question here is: if you're hosting who-knows-what, how much disk space does this end up using on your machine, to be part of Tor?

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Rich0]

Unless something has changed, this is not how Tor works. It is a closer description to how Freenet works.

A Tor relay does nothing more than pass along packets. Tor exit nodes allow the Tor network to connect to sites on the internet. Anybody can also run a Tor hidden service, which is just a webserver that talks to a Tor node. These do not require exit nodes to operate and should be more secure as a result.

However, I'd be concerned about running something like this on Tor. The fact is that there aren't all that many nodes on Tor. I would think that an adversary could contribute a large number of nodes to the network as a result and get a pretty good idea of what is going on. If they could manage to get a message to pass from a client they control through a set of relays they control to the site hosting the hidden service then they'd be able to identify where it is hosted. Tor also is a low-latency network making network analysis possible.

The sorts of things that make Tor more tolerable from a usability standpoint make it much less anonymous.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Neil_Brown]

IP laws don't necessarily equate to actual IP enforcement

Fair point.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[RaceProUK]

the United Kingdom is party to an agreement whereby extradition must be refused to any country which has the death penalty and where the suspect is to be tried in a capital case

Bolded the key part here - is US vs Assange a capital case, or a regular criminal case?

Re:Free speech under attack.

[strikethree]

What I want to know is why sites like this keep trying to locate in unfriendly countries. Why not put them in someplace safe, like Russia?

You are utterly insane. You can take out a competitor by paying $60k to the police. The victim then spends 15 years in prison. And you want to go to that country and piss off rich people around the world?

Not. A. Good. Idea.

I can not find the BBC link I was thinking of but this one should be sufficient to illustrate: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1193249/1/.html

Re:Free speech under attack.

[fustakrakich]

Attn mods:

I appreciate the props, but I wish you would give more to the AC I responded to. I did little more than echo his viewpoint and agree with it 100%. It is very important that we fight back. I have no problem using whatever means necessary to protect our freedoms. We should never let them be put up to a vote. We need to make them as inviolable as humanly possible, regardless of anybody's opinion.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Xest]

Iran is too locked down now, and doesn't have the political capital for anyone to care if say their connections were to get DDOS'd or similar.

I would've thought somewhere like Venezuela would be better - full of hate for the US and the West, but with enough political capital and enough of a stranglehold on the West's fuel supply (now that we've given up Iranian oil) to avoid any too punitive a punishment. This said, Chavez is a bit sporadic in his hate of the West so a good enough backhander his way and he could probably be bought perhaps. Syria would probably have been better if it wasn't now in a state of war.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

Ok, if not Russia, who then? How about China? They're not as totally corrupt as Russia, and probably aren't too keen on western companies poking around with their legal system.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[strikethree]

China might be a better choice than Russia but the problem still remains, you are relying on a government to not care about your activities. Under normal circumstances, relying on the government not to care about you is VERY safe; however, when money is involved, we can clearly see that even the less corrupt governments quickly fold and do illegal actions against their own people. See Kim Dotcom for the most recent example. Or Julian Assange for a very slightly less recent example (storm the embassy to arrest him? Really?!). Hell the examples are falling all around us like rain now. *sigh*

For myself, I would put the servers in a different country than myself and then put myself in a different country than the people I am pissing off. That way, no matter how it all goes down, something is more likely to survive.

P.S. I am glad you were not offended by the question of your sanity. It was the use of an expression, not an actual accusation. Since you did not seem to get upset, I assume you are American like I am... or at least fairly world-savvy. Like I am too. ;)

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Americano]

So your argument against the belief that he is only being extradited to Sweeden so that he can then be sent to the U.S. is to present evidence of how difficult is is to get someone extradited directly from the U.K to the U.S.?

Yes, and it works, if you're not completely ignorant of the law, and don't just believe Mr. Assange's press releases.

There is NO - I repeat, NO - way that Mr. Assange can (legally) be extradited from Sweden to the US without the consent of the UK. The authorities in the UK approving his extradition through Sweden would be the same authorities who would be asked to approve his extradition if the US requested extradition directly from the UK and Sweden wasn't involved. This "temporary surrender" canard is foolish, because nearly identical wording is included in the US/EU extradition framework treaty, as well - yet somehow only Sweden is able to use it?

So by extraditing him to Sweden, the US has to secure the agreement of both the UK and Sweden, when apparently, we were unable to even get the UK's agreement directly. And in return, the UK and Sweden take massive PR hits, and possibly even open themselves up to sanctions and penalties as EU members, for circumventing EU regulations. I don't know how foolish you need to be to believe this not only possible, but *likely,* but I do know it's pretty damn foolish.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

I'm American, but I wouldn't have thought my reaction typical for my countrymen. This place is full of highly reactionary people; if someone asked me "which country has the most laid-back people", America is definitely not the first to come to mind. We're not nearly as bad as, for instance, Egypt or Libya or Pakistan by any means, but definitely not as level-headed as Canadians. Of course, people seem to get upset easily about something anywhere you go. In the middle east, you just have to draw a picture of Mohammed and people are rioting and burning things. In Europe, you just need to have a soccer match. In Canada, you just need a hockey game. In America, you just need to have a gay rights parade or pass a law forbidding parents from sending their gay kids to brainwashing camps.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

Of course, I forgot to reply to the more-important point in your post; I agree entirely about spreading things out between countries: stay out of the country you're pissing off, and keep the servers in a different country from that country and the one you're in. That seems like the safest way.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Americano]

Depends on the allegations and charges. And since the US hasn't filed any charges, it's impossible to say. You might say there's "NO CASE," but legions of Assange supporters will hasten to tell me how I'm wrong. But we can speculate, and we can make informed conclusions, using the following information:

1) Mr. Assange is not a US citizen; nor was he (apparently) in the US when he allegedly misbehaved;
2) Mr. Assange found himself in the possession of classified US military information;
3) Mr. Assange published that classified data to the world via Wikileaks;

Now, best case scenario - he's a completely passive recipient of classified data, and published it in his informational role as a quasi-journalist. As such, he is protected, since he did not engage in a crime, he just published some data he happened to come across. This is, I think, the most reasonable argument.

But, let's imagine the worst case scenario - he contacted PFC Manning, and actively solicited PFC Manning to leak the classified data, with the overt intent of undermining and harming the US military's operations. This could easily be argued to be espionage.

There's really very little else they could charge him for - he's not a US citizen, and he's never done this inside the jurisdictional area of a US court... so the only real thing you could charge him with would be espionage (which is a capital crime), and file an extradition request hoping that the government on the receiving end will be sympathetic to your request and hand him over. No extradition request has been filed.

Now, let's further assume that the US were to go so far as to charge him in absentia with espionage, and file an extradition request with the UK or Sweden, or wherever he happens to be sitting at the time they finally file the charges. There would be two big obstacles to fulfillment of that request:
1) Espionage is a capital crime - you CAN be subjected to the death penalty for it; The US could make assurances about his treatment, if they wanted to work around this;
2) Espionage is also a political crime - i.e., a crime against "the state". If you read through the extradition treaties, you will notice that many extradition treaties specifically exclude the possibility of extradition for "political crimes," and so the US would have to further convince the court that not this was somehow NOT a political crime (when just about every treaty with this exclusion defines it as such).

So... the US case against Mr. Assange is, at worst, a capital case for a political crime, which would almost certainly cause a request for his extradition to be denied, or at best... the case is non-existent. Either way, there's not a lot for him to fear, provided US, Swedish, and British governments all abide by their treaty & legal obligations. Of course, if they decide that "getting Assange" is more important than the negative publicity, sanctions, penalties, and reputation damage they'd take by circumventing the law, none of this would apply... but realistically, if they were interested in doing that, he'd already be dead, or in Gitmo, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's almost like you don't realize the irony when you start talking about Venezuela, Iran, Syria, Russia, and China as being shining beacons of economic and individual freedom.

I don't get it, are you making a subtle joke? Or are you really so ass-backwards retarded that you think you'd be better off in one of those places?

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Grishnakh]

Oh, I realize the irony. I wouldn't want to live in those places, are you kidding? But despite the corruption problems, having a server there would surely be safer than having it America. The US government, under request of the MAFIAA, can easily and quickly shut down any server it doesn't like within its own borders, but doing so in Russia is a lot harder (and apparently involves some bribery).

The other poster here was right: you want your servers to be located in some country different from your own country, and different from the country you're pissing off (most likely the US), and for best safety you want to be living in a separate country than those two as well.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[ehiris]

Why do you think they had to put that in the bill of rights? Controlling speech is how people are controlled by those who want to take advantage of them.
Modern governments tell us what not to say. Churches and church-controlled governments take it a step further telling people WHAT to say.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Raenex]

I don't think we have ever been really free, at least in a modern sense.

You mean we aren't free to choose our jobs (not slaves), or that we don't have free speech to criticize the government?

I suspect the early Picts, Vikings and other tribes had significantly more freedom than we have today.

I suspect you don't know shit about the ordinary lives and freedoms of the people from those times.

We live in a pervasive information society, one where the government is the biggest customer and companies are all too happy to sell our data to it.

Oh, so you mean because there is information about us, we are not free. Ho hum.

Our grandchildren will piss on our graves for what we have allowed.

Why would our grandchildren care any more than the current generation?

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah look, a troll!

Haha. Find a hole and die in it.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Raenex]

Ah, you've learned how to call people who you disagree with on the Internet a troll. Congratulations.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[evanism]

Perhaps, but it must seriously burn your jocks that none of your comments are moderated above 1.

I am hardly anonymous, quite the opposite.

I took a little time to read you other comments after i posted mine. It was a knee jerk post, and i apologise for that. But i do feel your worldview is overly sarcastic, deply negative and well, rejected.

Re:Free speech under attack.

[Raenex]

Perhaps, but it must seriously burn your jocks that none of your comments are moderated above 1.

Nope. My karma is excellent, which means I've had my posts get moderated up before, but I don't post for moderation points. If you want to get a lot of upmods you have to post early in the story. Other helpful advice is to go with the prevailing groupthink, or preface your post with "I know I'll be modded down for this..." or similar when you don't. I don't play that game.

I am hardly anonymous, quite the opposite.

The post that called me a troll and told me to die was posted anonymously. Are you belatedly taking credit for it now?

But i do feel your worldview is overly sarcastic, deply negative and well, rejected.

Funny that you're calling me out for being negative when your post was the one that shallowly complained about how we aren't "really" free. As for "rejected", you offered no counter-argument except to appeal to the prevailing groupthink.

same country that wants Assange just raided....

[davydagger]

Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.

Sorry but that is untrue.
PRQ hosted wikileaks back in 2010.

What did get removed was a number of torrentsites.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[noh8rz9]

whatevs it would be horrible and i don't suggest it at all but if that happened to your wife/sister/daughter would it still be "funny smelling"? would you still want to nail the guy who is hiding in an embassy because he is "persecuted"?

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Baloroth]

Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.

Obviously not, given that Wikileaks is still up, and never went down according to the story. What are down are a couple of torrent sites. The only known relation to Wikileaks or TPB is the fact that this host has served both. Why was it mentioned in the headline, you may ask? Clickbait, so that people who were following those causes would read it, even though it was almost 100% completely unrelated in every possible way.

This is part of the reason it is hard to take the whole "Assange is a persecuted martyr" seriously: his supporters never seem to know all the facts, they simply react. Knee-jerk reactions do not help, and make your entire position look bad. So, if you really want to help Assange and think he and his cause are worth helping, stop it, and read the damned articles. Or don't, since, you know, clickbait.

Oh and wait for some actual information to come out, since at this point no one knows anything at all, especially given the number of technical issues (unrelated, I might add) PRQ seems to be having/have had.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Give me a break... rape is only a horrendous crime because society makes it into one. It's just sex. It's natural. Everybody does it. There weren't claims of it being non-consensual even. If I were "raped" I'd be pissed, but that isn't what happened or was claimed to have happened. Rape is overblown by nut jobs and those convinced by nut jobs that some imaginary harm was done to them. He *MIGHT* at best have violated these women's trust in that he continued to have sex at a later point after they consented.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.

I agree... I would call it abuse of power.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Rei]

Great. Rape is only natural, and the charge of waiting until someone was asleep to F' them in ways they wouldn't let you do while awake isn't rape anyway. Gotcha.

Great crowd we've got here on Slashdot these days.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Dunge]

What? You make people like me like idiots. I actually believe the rape charges were either falsified or pushed-on afterwards after they given their consent for a nice reward, but saying that rape in general is natural and overblown, imaginary harm? Give me a break.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Rape is natural, albeit unacceptable and illegal by the rules of most of our modern societies. It was actually the most common form of reproduction for most of the History of humankind.

That said, even if all the allegations are true, and there is plenty of evidence pointing otherwise, what Assange is suspected of doing is as far from rape as I am from being a multibillionary.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

What did get removed was a number of torrentsites.

Ah, so the other fly in the US's ointment. Got it.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[aliquis]

TFA also mention about two thousand clients including ones with names such as "North America Man-Boy Love Association" and "Pedophile.se" so yeah.. Doubt TPB was the target, as if this would keep them down, I didn't thought they was in Sweden longer ATM but maybe they are to. Wikileaks would make somewhat more sense but I would had assumed they have already done some damage control regarding Assange if anything serious was stored for non-public view. But what do I know.

(They mention more sites to like "Chechen rebel site Kavkaz Central, and the defamation-accused Italian blog known as Perugia Shock" but I have no idea what that is and I assume not all other Slashdot readers do either.)

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

In fact you are more likely to get pregnant when you are raped, than have consensual sex. Evolution supports rape, deal with it.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Cruciform]

I only read some of the reports in the initial couple of weeks of the sex charges being waved about, so someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the issue not about "rape" but rather that of informed consent? He was having sex with two different women and failed to inform them of either of it, which is apparently treated more seriously there than it would be in North America.
And that was why one of his accusers was reported to be saying they were pressuring her to make serious allegations against him when she had just made the initial complaint while she was still pissed off.
Being a dick and being a rapist are two completely separate issues.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[girlintraining]

This is part of the reason it is hard to take the whole "Assange is a persecuted martyr" seriously: his supporters never seem to know all the facts, they simply react. Knee-jerk reactions do not help, and make your entire position look bad.

Dude, you are smoking the cheap $3 Propaganda brand crack. Assange isn't a persecuted martyr because he's still breathing. He is being persecuted, however. The fact that he's a political figure simply can't be ignored or dismissed. You may agree or disagree with the charges. You may think he's an asshole, or the greatest thing since sliced bread. And we can argue the minutae of it until the heat death of the universe, but it's pointless. You and I are just random people on the internet. An embassy, a sovereign foreign government responsible for millions of lives, has come out and said "Something smells fishy about this." These aren't the kind of people to make rash decisions. You and I may not have all the facts. His supporters may or may not. But the embassy officials that put their country's pride and reputation on the line do have them. It would be reckless of them to have offered him asylum if they didn't feel there was firm ground to stand on. Remember -- The British government was inches away from wiping their arse with the Geneva conventions and storming the place, creating a massive international diplomatic incident... the kind of incident wars have been started over in years past.

The statement he isn't being persecuted is readily refuted by the simple observation that diplomats aren't irrational. It's a job requirement that they consider carefully the consequences of each action, and even in a small country there's going to be a vetting process to ensure that their interests are represented by someone who isn't nuts. Bottom line is he is being persecuted; You can agree or disagree with it, but you can't outright deny it. The evidence simply can't support your position.

All that said, let me step away from intellectual discourse now and say I think the man was a fucking moron. Who in their right mind moons the government with the largest standing military and biggest economy by GDP on the planet? I could give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut about whatever charges they're bringing him up on, or the diplomatic incidents he's created -- the dumb bastard's gonna have his ass battered and deep fried at the end of this, one way or another. Maybe what he did was right, maybe it wasn't, but goddamnit man... if you're gonna shine the biggest badass in the room, at least be a man and take your lumps right then and there, not run off and hide under someone's skirt after.

*cough* We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame fest, already in progress...

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually the main complaint was that he didn't want to wear a condom, and one of the women later (much later, god knows whys he saved it) produced a broken condom with no trace of genetic material on it, claiming he had intentionally broken it.

So basically, no, nothing like rape.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, a foreign country has come out and said to themselves... "Man, this will put us on the front page for months! Millions of people all over are seeing this guy as some sort of persecuted political figure. Rape isn't THAT serious, so nobody really cares THAT much about whether he did it or not. It's a very safe PR bet to accept, as soon as we talk to the representatives of the countries involved and ask them please not to invade us for it."

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't remember the whole thing, but in the case of one of the chicks the charge is that he waited until she was asleep and fucked her without a condom, after she told him she'd only have sex if he used one. She didn't file charges until she learned of the other girl, they compared notes, and realized he'd basically been doing the same thing to both of them and it wasn't an isolated incident.
Keep in mind these are just allegations, I have no clue as to the truth of them. But fucking someone when they're asleep, in a fashion they have already objected to, would most likely be considered full-fledged rape in most countries.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

He was having sex with two different women and failed to inform them of either of it, which is apparently treated more seriously there than it would be in North America.

That is usually not illegal in Sweden either, turns out that the Swedish law works a bit differently for Assange.
It is quite obvious that someone wants to see Assange burn, the thing that people argue about is if it is personal or political.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[SuricouRaven]

The charge is usually translated 'rape' because there is no precise analog in either UK or US law. It could be rendered as 'sex by deception.' There is something very suspicious going on though, because the case was closed very soon after the initial complaint - but then reopened shortly after the US cable leaks, for reasons the Swedish police claim are coincidence. It's enough of a coincidence that it seems quite plausible some political pressure may have been applied to find any excuse to arrest him, such as reopening an old case. If this is indeed the case then nothing can be certain, as everyone involved - the women, the police, the government - has a strong incentive towards deception.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Lucky_Norseman]

If he had worn it there should be traces of genetic material in it.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Rei]

There's so much misinformation going around about the case from Assange fans. Here's the four actual charges from the European Arrest Warrant, as reported in the lower court ruling:

1. On 13th – 14th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Stockholm, Assange, by using violence, forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party’s arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.

2. On 13th – 14th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.

3. On 18th August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.

4. On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state. It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party’s sexual integrity.

Charges 1-3 are concerning one woman, and charge 4 is concerning a different woman. Charge 1 is unlawful sexual coersion, 2 and 3 are molestation, and 4 is rape. Charge 4 is also the most clear-cut and has the most absurd defense by Assange's legal team. SW (the second woman) had already been freaking out in conversations with friends (who also testified under oath, and there's also texting records) over what Assange had done to her when she talked with AA (the first woman). This didn't come out of that conversation; all that came out of that conversation was the realization that what happened wasn't an isolated incident.

All four charges were judged by the three British courts hearing the case to all be crimes in Britain as well. F'ing a sleeping person to work around their refusal to consent to unprotected sex is not "being a dick". It's 100% unambiguously rape.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

I know you are a terrible troll, but there was no rape at all.

The rape was an absolutely retarded law that only exists in Sweden. ONLY.
They are using that stupid fact to push it as hard as possible.

Not only that, both of them stepped back after being asked to sign off on anything they said.
Yes. Totally raped.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[cheekyboy]

no charges laid, get a clue.

the girls dont even admit to being raped, so get a clue.

But hey, how about the fact that during WW2, Sweden was Hitlers butfuck buddy and helped him out.

Cowards suck up to Hitler, and now the US.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Vintermann]

It was actually the most common form of reproduction for most of the History of humankind.

If you say something about prehistory that sounds tough-nosed, it seems no one reacts no matter how blatantly wrong it is. Did you even think this through before your wrote it?

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Rei]

No charges can be laid in absentia from Sweden, get a clue.

There is testimony is the leaked transcript that the second woman explicitly said she was raped, get a clue. To pick on example, after the event, she phoned her ex bf and told him she'd just been raped by Assange. Its in his testimony, read it yourself - Seth Bensen, last interview.

Why are we still in the "correcting basic misinformation about the case" phase? I'd think we'd be long past that by now.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Oh if I include prehistory it just gets massively more prevalent, but I was quite specific I meant the 5 thousand or so years of human History. Rape was a very usual form of sex in many many civilizations, and if you include statutory rape in most of them.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

You can accuse anyone of anything, it does not make the person guilty. And again, even in the unlikely case that this accusations are indeed the truth, none of the victims where coerced with violence, they may have expressed their will to use codons and even made it into conditions, but they were free to stop it at any time and send him away. They ended conceding instead.

Furthermore the "sleeping victim" could have sent him away when she woke up, which was very soon after he started the foreplay. Sex is a very painful thing for non aroused women, you know? She would have a lot more to complain if he had really done it with her sleeping.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Accordingly to the "victim" she had fucked him the previous night, he slept with her, and when she woke up, before the penetration, she didn't push him away or even tried to stop him, instead she said things like: "You shouldn't be doing this.".

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, you are smoking the cheap $3 Propaganda brand crack.

I stopped reading there. You might as well start calling everyone "sheeple" or something stupid.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

Rape has been illegal from ancient Greek & Roman times, pretty much down to today. In historical times, it was considered less a sexual crime, and more a property crime against the father/husband of the woman, but it was still a crime, and there were still legal penalties for it in just about any civil society I can think of.

That covers a good chunk of your "last 5000 years or so of human history" - so I'm curious what data you're basing these inane claims on?

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

An embassy, a sovereign foreign government responsible for millions of lives, has come out and said "Something smells fishy about this."

You sure you really wanna go with the appeal to authority there?

"It's a government, you guys - they wouldn't just make things like this up! Oh and by the way, let me tell you about all the horrendous, terrifying, awful, illegal things that the US, UK, and Swedish governments are doing. Because if there's one thing everybody can agree on, governments are corrupt - except for the government of Ecuador, which is, I think we can all agree, a shining beacon of light in the darkness."

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Depends on how you classify rape. Just to use your example, in Roman society it wasn't illegal to have forceful sex with your wife, or your slaves or non citizen females (which by the way was most of them). It was a crime to have sex with the females that were property of other people, but not because it was forceful, but because it was a violation of propriety.

For most of our History and throughout almost all human civilizations women were property ans spoils of war and had no say about when they would perform sex with their owners.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Vintermann]

No, it doesn't. It's blatantly ridiculous, even for the most brutal societies that have existed, much less prehistorical ones. Maybe if you call all sex below 18 years of age rape, but even then you'd have trouble, because most births don't happen as a result of sex before 18.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Vintermann]

it was considered less a sexual crime, and more a property crime against the father/husband of the woman

This is also mostly a myth. I encourage you to look it up in medieval law codes, e.g. the Visigothic code.

The Romans were very unusual in that they regarded women and children as property. Out of a desire for uniformity, they tried to formulated their laws around as few ideas as possible, and property was their favorite idea. But even in the reinassance when Romans were idolized (and Roman law was actually rediscovered), they balked at copying the Romans on this.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

Not clear what point you're calling "mostly a myth" - that it was a property crime? or that it was a crime at all?

If the latter, as far as I can see, the Visigothic Code you've cited comes down squarely against rape, and in favor of punishing the "ravisher." If the former, I'd say that the wording used supports the notion that it was considered less "a crime against the woman," and more a "crime against chastity / crime against her family," for which restitution, corporal punishment, and even enslavement of the "ravisher" were justifiable - the beneficiaries of the restitution were not (primarily) the woman.

http://libro.uca.edu/vcode/vg3-3.pdf

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

Not to interrupt your rhapsodizing about the good old days when men like Assange could behave as badly as they want, but I'll ask again: what data are you basing these inane claims on?

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

You are cute, Mr Americano, and it is not a surprise that you know nothing about History, being American and all. Just go back to your cave, I wasn't missing you.

And by the way, even if you think that what he is suspected of doing is horrible, Assange hasn't been even accused of anything yet much less proven guilty.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Vintermann]

That it was a property crime against the father. As you can see, it was a very serious crime against the victim, and yes, it was the victim which was the beneficiary of the restitution - alternatively her parents, presumably when she was underage and living with them- because as you can see, there's no provision for restitution to her husband.

The exception is interesting: If the offender has given something to the victim, it always goes to the parents. I think this is because the victim keeping something given as a "gift" by the offender could be taken as a sign of acceptance of the crime.

You can't infer something from the word choice of a translated text, by the way.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

Thanks for demonstrating the baselessness of your assertions.

Also, Mr. Assange has quite clearly been ACCUSED of something. You might want to go look up the meaning of the terms you use before you use them in so public a fashion.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Assange was not accused of anything. He was called for questioning. No formal accusation has been made as of now, and even if he had been formally accused of something that still does not make him guilty. The only assumptions that are baseless are yours about Assange's guilty.

The base of my assertions is human History. I advise you to go back to your history books (if you ever had any) and read them instead of using your imagination to vomit fantasies, as usual

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[Americano]

*yawn*

Thanks for playing.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

Now that is plain stupid. Most people were dead by 25 for most of human History. Most women died giving birth to their first child and that was way before the 18.

Most girls were sold as slaves or forcibly married by their parents, and had no say about with whom, when or how they would perform sex

By any modern law code the huge majority of sex made throughout human history can be considered as rape.

Re:same country that wants Assange just raided....

[fredprado]

You are quite welcome.

What is wrong with the

[santax]

North American Marlin Brandon Look-Alikes to take such a risk be being hosted on the same servers as wikileaks. (I mean, I assume this isn't the other NAMBLA else I would like someone to explain to me why these servers weren't raided years ago.)

Re:What is wrong with the

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe because file sharing isn't illegal?

Meh.

[Anonymous Coward]

torrentz.eu is still up. All is right in the world.

Improvement

[Anonymous Coward]

Seems like they only confiscated 4 servers this time, and not everything which wasn't bolted to the floor. Quick! someone tell the cops they got intellectuals among them!

Re:Improvement

[cheekyboy]

were they diskless servers that booted on PXE over 10ge fibre?

The 10ge NAS servers could very easily be burried under 20 feet of dirt and cased in concrete, (bitch to update), but very secure. As long as power+10ge+ventilation work.

Another irrelevant news story.

[Anonymous Coward]

"Torrent site down. Lemming and conspiracy nuts panic."

Seriously /. you need to step up your game.

I don't understand

[Spy Handler]

how this happen in a freedom-loving liberal socialist paradise such as Sweden? I thought only evil USA does stuff like this.

Re:I don't understand

[fredprado]

Sweden is quickly turning into USA:

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-remains-locked-up-without-charges-120930/

Re:I don't understand

[Anonymous Coward]

Sweden is already exporting all network traffic running through the country, which often includes other countries' internal traffic being routed through Sweden. Many have been completely bought up in Sweden. Follow the money trail.

Re:I don't understand

[Anonymous Coward]

What country isn't a USA bitch? Seriously, what a waste of tax dollars to keep bitch slapping all these countries into doing some corporate policing.

Re:I don't understand

[cheekyboy]

Waste? The govt doesnt care, its not their money, taxes are infinite.

Arrrrr, matey, forced to walk me own plank

[swschrad]

if the torrents were visible and easy to spy on, Our Governments In Action could just pick off the alleged violators.

results might be the same, but hey, the semantics are cleaner.

Re:Arrrrr, matey, forced to walk me own plank

[SuricouRaven]

It's a matter of efficiency. Suing even one percent of the general pirate population would not only be very expensive, but earn the ire of government as courts are clogged up for years with the flood of cases. So there are only two counters through the legal process: Either target the most important (Site operators, releasers) and hope that without them the community will fall apart, or lobby for a faster, easier way to take action against the common torrent user ('three strikes' laws and similar) which bypasses all the slow and complicated business of a full civil suit and the need to present and argue compelling evidence in favor of a quick accuse-and-punish system that makes mass enforcement practical.

dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

along with everything from Michael david crawford.

he provided a torrent of his *OWN WORK*.

so yeah, go figure.

Re:dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck. For those that don't know, Crawford was arrested on trumped up charges last month and is currently being held without bail and without access to an attorney.

Re:dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

nobody cares about the social injustice done against the super debugger.

now we'll never see warp life.

Re:dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

And we'll never know the secret :( Rivulets of urine would stream forth from our loins if only we knew....

Re:dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

Nor will anyone get to listen to geometric visions anymore...

A man's life work has just been obliterated because people want to torrent shitty hollywood movies.

NO doubt the timing of this and the 'national cyber security awareness month' and all these bogative 'cyber attacks' on banks & the whitehouse are not a coincidence.

The writings & music of Crawford are a direct threat to the MPAA.

Re:dulcineatech.com is gone

[Anonymous Coward]

dull griffith

Home Depot?

[Nethead]

..their downtime is due to a faulty PDU that happened to fail..

So, anyone got a spare powerstrip?

Re:Home Depot?

[Anonymous Coward]

Full day to replace or work around a faulty PDU - yeah right. If I were a betting man I'd wager they had at least some of their servers "secretly" back in PRQ and that's what got raided.

Thank you Slashdot

[Anonymous Coward]

We've all been hard on this site, and sometimes for good reason. But I have to say, when I couldn't access thepiratebay, I immediately went to Slashdot who had a news report on it.

That is why I come here.

Wikileaks not offline

[poity]

http://wikileaks.org/
and even if the main site is taken down the mirrors will chug along.

And the response....

[sgt_doom]

.....
http://www.thelocal.se/43552/20121001/

Recommend Andy Greenberg's This Machine Kills Secrets brilliant on cypherpunks, WikiLeaks,and privacy for the Web.
And please don't forget...

http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/suspicious.pdf

Fuck Sweden

[Anonymous Coward]

They have embraced evil.

Swedish politicians are responsible for the death of Steig Larsson.

Fuck Sweden.

No route to TPB - BGP down

[Anonymous Coward]

TPB's route has been down for quite some time now. Their router is no longer advertising their entire IP block to the internet. Try it, traceroute to thepiratebay.se, it will stop at the edge of your network.

This is indicative of something *seriously* wrong. Normally, routers are supplied with multiply redundant power and sometimes even a live hot-spare.

I think the timing isn't a coincidence ant TPB is lying through their teeth to prevent their users from getting nervous. Can anyone prove me wrong?

Oink Oink

[Anonymous Coward]

Pirate Bay went down just in time to stop us from seeing the season's first new episode of "Homeland." The Swedish cops must be in bed with Claire Danes.

Re:Oink Oink

[Anonymous Coward]

Lucky buggers!

Re:Oink Oink

[Anonymous Coward]

Pirate Bay went down just in time to stop us from seeing the season's first new episode of "Homeland."

Well, I did get my copy yesterday... via TPB actually, although I usually get the new HD releases from PublicHD.

Coincidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

There are no coincidences.

rslog.net was affected

[Nyder]

Loved that site. Don't care for filelockers, but it had nice summaries of what was released. Now i guess i have to find another site like that.

I didn't realize wikileaks was taken down in that, figures.

Re:rslog.net was affected

[Anonymous Coward]

You love a squatter website that redirects to who ever pays them money? Or did you mean rlslog.net?

Re:rslog.net was affected

[Anonymous Coward]

BTW I would recommend myrls.eu

Re:rslog.net was affected

[xenobyte]

I would recommend http://www.scnsrc.net/ - Started and initially powered by disgruntled mods from rlslog.net. Same content, much less ads and better download links - like working torrent links (rlslog always uses their own torrent tracker/portal and the announced release almost always fails to be available).

Re:rslog.net was affected

[Anonymous Coward]

rlslog was not affected, it was down for unrelated reasons. Or so they say. I quite like rlslog but they do have a strange focus on gore and Jesus propaganda.

North American Marlin Brandon L-A

[Anonymous Coward]

(I mean, I assume this isn't the other NAMBLA else I would like someone to explain to me why these servers weren't raided years ago.)

Here's an irony:

NAMBLA's too careful to host anything that's out-and-out illegal. But...

Let's say a pedophile group DID host kiddie p0rn on PRQ.

Is anyone going to sue over copyright violations?

Plaintiff: "Yes, your honor, I swear I am the photographer who took those pictures and I'm suing PERVERTSRUS hosted on PRQ and want an order to shut them down."
Judge: "Motion granted. Baliff, detain this person and call the prosecutor ASAP, then see that PRQ gets served."

Re:North American Marlin Brandon L-A

[Anonymous Coward]

Depends, a lot of pictures are legal in one country and illegal in another. Some countries find drawn pictures illegal for instance, others find even stories about it illegal. It would be fully possible for someone in a country where the pictures were fully legal to press such charges. Unlikely, of course, since most such material is not for profit, and so there's no money for expensive lawyers.

Remember AllOfMP3.com?

[1800maxim]

Russia is not immune to pressure about IP laws.

if you call kiddy pron free speech again ....

[Anonymous Coward]

if you call kiddy pron free speech again...ill hack htis place get your ip and take you offline forever you sick bastard , do you not get that the founders of tpb actually own PRQ and defended a kiddy pron site as free speech?
no really

Sweden is Hardly the US

[Anonymous Coward]

So what? It's legal in the Sweden and the US - until they press charges or release him. The clock's ticking, they have a limited amount of time of lawful detention.

The US has people unlawfully detained for years without pressing charges in for example Guantanamo. The US police is a sorry excuse, and their justice system is hardly just. No, Sweden is in no way comparable with that monstrosity called the US!

Re:Sweden is Hardly the US

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it's just a puppet state of the US instead.

People joked about the UK being America's lapdog, what they didn't realise is whilst all those jokes and comments were being made Sweden got even closer to the US than even the UK ever did, and the UK got close enough.

Sweden is a US puppet state now, it has no capability to act without it's US master.

Re:Sweden is Hardly the US

[fredprado]

There are cases where people where detained for 3 months or more in Sweden without formal accusations. It is still better than the "undetermined time" they can pull out in US but it is going the same way. You shouldn't be able to detain people for this long without accusations in any civilized country. Even with formal accusations it is a monstrosity.

To take a line from a song

[dbIII]

What's the story? Morning glory?
Come on, the lawyers are expected to work a bit harder than that in all other extradition cases. Do they really think a healthy human being can sleep through such an incident?

Re:To take a line from a song

[Rei]

Is your confusion over the difference between the words "consumate" and "complete"?

Half asleep, You're completely lying.

[Anonymous Coward]

And no dirty sex was undergone. After the fact she still tweets about how great the sex is and how great he is.

And BOTH putative victims deny it is rape.

It's really myscogynistic to tell women they can't tell when they've been raped, you know.

Re:Half asleep, You're completely lying.

[Rei]

And this level of ignorance, ladies and gentlemen, it why getting your information from an echo chamber is a Bad Thing(TM). Its like a giant game of "telephone". Next up, we'll hear about how the victims are on the steps of the embassy pleading for Assange to be free.

Rather than, you know, the pesky reality that they're in hiding from Assange fans like you while their lawyer works to bring him to justice.

Wait, no, how "myscogynistic" of me to think that they know what their own lawyer is doing.

Those are the claims brought by the prosecutor

[Anonymous Coward]

But are statements the women involved refused to sign.

The High Court was merely meeting over whether the EAW could be issued by a prosecutor rather than by (as it was intended) by the court judge.

NOT whether the case was sufficiently proven for extradition.

Re:Those are the claims brought by the prosecutor

[Anonymous Coward]

Sign? You don't need to sign anything. Why do you people keep making things up?

Re:Those are the claims brought by the prosecutor

[Rei]

Riiight. The women disagree with the charges. That's why they hired a lawyer to get the case reopened and who is since pushing forward the charges for them. Clearly they're ignorant of what their own attorney is doing, those ignorant little damsels!

The ruling of the high court does not match your description of it. The nature of the crimes (my quote: "All four charges were judged by the three British courts hearing the case to all be crimes in Britain as well") is readdressed in "Issue 2". It represents nearly half the ruling so I'm amazed that you could have missed it.. unless, obviously, you never read it.

go back to your CIA office REI

[cheekyboy]

He has had no charges filed against him.

Now go back to BuyMore to find your next dumbass 20s agents.

Re:go back to your CIA office REI

[Rei]

Nor can charges be filed in absentia. Your point?

In Sweden, charges are the last thing that happens before a trial, and there's a time limit between laying them and the trial. Sweden has lots of those pesky "protections for the accused" - how dare they, right?

50 year prison is worse than death

[cheekyboy]

The US will fake it with a lesser charge that has 20 year jail.

Then accidentally, he will be 'killed by a madman' psycho who was accidentally mixed in his cell.

100% proof this has happened before, the FBI has 100s and countless of ex-agents FIRED or in JAIL for faking evidence or ruining or killing others.

Yeah a little known and not heavily publicized fact, crooks are in the system too.

Re:50 year prison is worse than death

[Rei]

Which makes the whole conspiracy absurd then - why go through this whole mess if they just wanted to kill him and make it look like an accident? Heck, at this point in time the *easiest* way to do that would be to let him go to Ecuador, where crime is rampant.

looking for who sold nuclear tech to North Korea?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because that would be Donald Rumsfeld's company.

And Iran's reactor? US companies again.

Manufacturing enemies to justify statism is what it's about.

Wikileaks told the truth and that's the one thing they hate more than freedom.

Offtopic question for Rei

[GPS Pilot]

(Rei, you're the man when it comes to knowledge of the EV industry. I wish Slashdot had a way of sending messages to other users, so I wouldn't have to post an off-topic question like this.)

According to this video.
      http://cnettv.cnet.com/can-tesla-model-unkill-electric-car-cnet-cars/9742-1_53-50132179.html?ttag=cnet~tesla~ob
the Model S' performance is limited by the throughput of the inverter.

Inverters also add weight, volume, cost, and are not 100% efficient. Why not do away with the inverter altogether and use DC electric motors?