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Galaxy Tab Sales Ban Lifted, Samsung Sues Apple Over iPhone 5
another random user sends this quote from the BBC:
"A temporary sales ban on Samsung Electronics' Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet computer in the U.S. has been lifted by a U.S. court. District Judge Lucy Koh gave a court order rescinding a ban on U.S. sales that was part of a patent dispute with Apple. ... The ban on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had been placed before a month-long patent trial between Apple and Samsung. In August, at the conclusion of that trial Apple was awarded a victory on many of its patent violation claims where it said Samsung had copied Apple's iPhone and iPad designs. It was also awarded more than $1bn (£664m) in damages. However, the jury found that Samsung had not violated the patent that was the basis for the ban on the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Samsung, therefore, argued for the sales ban to be lifted."
Samsung also went on the offensive against the iPhone 5 today, filing a motion to add the device to its ongoing patent infringement suit against Apple. Meanwhile, on another front, some good news for Apple: Motorola Mobility, owned by Google, has withdrawn its second complaint against Apple to the ITC. The complaint was filed in August over patent infringement claims involving several minor features. No explanation has been provided for the withdrawal, but Google indicated there was no agreement between the companies.
i am going back to BB
By copying Apple's well-established business process of suing their competitors for trademark and patent infringement, Samsung is clearly guilty of infringement.
(sound of recursive cranial implosion here)
like anyone's never gonna make anything that looks like or does the same shit as anyone else...
Just make it stop.
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He hearing is scheduled to begin shortly before the iPhone 5 becomes the "free" phone. These lawsuits are bizarre.
Well, just an idea, but maybe other users of said chip licensed the patent? (Something particularly likely given the amount of cross licensing that goes on.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Except that Samsung had internal documents that stated how they wanted to copy the iPhone. I think that's where they made the big mistake here.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
So internal documents telling Samsung what to copy, and Google itself telling Samsung "you're copying too much, stop" is simply things you disregard?
Talk about cognitive dissonance...
Before the iPhone, the mobile phone industry was still a patent thicket minefield. Lots of established companies had patents on various parts of what made the whole system work. Standards weren't dead then. Nobody was insane enough to launch the first nuclear weapon. Mutually assured destruction only works if all the parties are rational.
Enter Apple.
Apple thinks if you're going to start firing nuclear weapons, you might as well fire lots of them all at once.
Remember Steve Jobs say he would spend all of Apple's (eg, stockholders) money to destroy Android. Does this sound like a rational statement from a rational person? Really? Destroy Apple in order to destroy Android? Wow.
Apple's lawsuits aren't about rectangles with round corners. They're not about bouncy scrolling. They're not about any other particular details being claimed. Apple's lawsuits are about competition. Steve Jobs dreamed of having a new Bill Gates like monopoly. Pesky competitors think they should be able to compete. Apple believes that the entire mobile smartphone business is God's gift to Apple by divine right. Even established existing players who've made mobile phones for decades should get out and leave the entire market to Apple.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Depends on how the LTE patents are licensed. Hell, Apple's got a bunch of LTE patents, both original (e.g., nano-SIM) and bought (Nortel). Whether or not they apply to Samsung products is quetionable (they too are probably FRAND patents, and Samsung is probably compensating Apple in some way for them...).
FRAND patent lawsuits are tricky - and even the EU is investigating FRAND patent abuse by Motorola, and the like, because if this continues, it means no one can make an LTE phone, which makes the whole exercise moot. (FYI - the patents Apple sued Samsung for are NOT FRAND, while Samsung counter-sued using FRAND).
It's why there was great opposition to letting Apple's patents into the standard - remember getting your patents into standards (and thus FRAND) is a huge political ploy - with a lot of "I'll vote for you if you vote for me" kinda backroom deals. With Apple being the 800lb giant (money wise anyhow), wanting to shut Apple out is good business sense (cha-ching windfall from Apple). With Apple's patent in, and even though Apple's making the FRAND terms "free", that still counts at the who-owes-whom table when it comes to deciding how the patents are licensed.
Apple has been and always will be insane in their thinking. "Think different" really meant "do as your told"
Anyone who buys Apple products is a cunt. Don't be a cunt.
Apple Fanboy: I love my phone.
Android Fanboy: I hate your phone.
So if the Apple Fanboy is a cunt....
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Why not actually read what happened? Qualcomm licensed those patents from Samsung. Everyone else buys chips from Qualcomm and these chips included the damned patent licenses (or else why would you buy them?)
Samsung then throws a hissy fit and claims Apple does not have a right to use those patents and need to license them separately.
Have you not see the words "patent exhaustion" discussed at all? Sheesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustion_doctrine
It's not like Apple has ever copied. Or like Steve Jobs proudly boasting about copying. It's the fact that someone dared to compete in what Apple wanted to be a total monopoly market. Nobody else should be able to build smartphones. That is what this is about. Not the trivia of rounded corner rectangles or bouncy scrolling. It's about Apple wanting to have a monopoly market with monopoly pricing. That doesn't work if smartphones become a commodity.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
So why did you click the link?
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Only now it's mutually assured destruction via patent law.
The only winners are lawyers, judges and monopolies.
The rest of us suffer the wounds and sores of stagnating technology and lack of innovation.
I knew I should have studied to be lawyer.
Sigh.
We need some brave and fatalistic politicians to finally revamp the entire patent system. When someone was able to patent a PB&J with the crusts cut off, for me, that's when this whole thing jumped the shark.
Anyone who buys Apple products is a cunt. Don't be a cunt.
Apple Fanboy: I love my phone.
Android Fanboy: You paid how much for that phone that does half of what mine does?
So if the Apple Fanboy is a cunt then the Android Fanboy is Captain Obvious
FTFY, oh, and an ellipsis only has three dots but now I'm just getting picky.
Probably to say... Boooooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnng
I sue you, you sue me
We both sue too easily, too easily
To let us grow
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Well, you get trollism from both sides here. When you disregard those posts, what you're left with are intelligent arguements on the issue.
Welp, if my comment made you mad enough to call me a cunt, then I must have made a pretty good point. It's only a pity my phone's logo doesn't light up so you can hate me from farther away while I'm minding my own business.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Android Fanboy: You paid how much for that phone that does half of what mine does?
iPhone user: Actually I jailbroke it, so I have a far higher quality of real apps and I can do anything you can in terms of configuration or customization.
Sorry Captain Obvious, you met your match when Captain Reality showed up.
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It's hard not to be on Samsung's side in this. Apple sued first over some totally ridiculous crap.
They are both far from being saints, that's a given. Both phones suck*, but Apple definitely crossed the line of sanity here.
* They both suck *as phones*, when compared to "dumb" phones. My old Philips had 3 weeks of battery life with my usage pattern and it took two pushes of a button (including unlocking) to call pretty much everybody I care about.
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And Samsung is different how?
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Sue you, sue me, sue it for always,
That’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
I had a dream, I had an awesome dream.
People in the park,
Playin' games in the dark.
And what they played was a masquerade,
From behind the walls of doubt,
A voice was crying out.
Sue you, sue me, sue it for always,
That’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
As we go down life’s lonesome highway,
Seems the hardest thing to do,
Is to find a friend or two.
That helping hand, someone who understands.
You’ve got someone there to sue, "I’ll show you."
Ooo-oooo.
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Aw, that’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
(So you think you know the answer, oh, no.)
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(That’s right, I’m telling you.)
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(Believe in who you are,
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Sue you, sue me, sue it for always,
Aw, that’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
Sue it together, naturally.
Did yo read those "internal documents"? They are just expert telling design team where they went wrong with examples of good design (from Apple). It reads like "Our UI: buttons are not aligned. Good UI (yes, it's Apple's, so?): buttons are aligned. What to do: align those fucking buttons, you morons"
Saying it's "how they wanted to copy iPhone" is funny considering the advice on the slide in the article says "Differentiate icons from iPhone".
TL;DR: Take care not to steal specifics, but let's steal all common design sense from Apple!
Samsung obviously disagrees with you and is willing to go to court over it. They don't believe any licence they gave Qualcomm covers Apple. Given Samsung's usual rate is "% of final product price", I find it hard to believe any license they gave Qualcomm would cover third parties too.
As for why you'd buy Qualcomm's chips - it's because they're a pre-made component. Why do you think? A business sourcing components from a supplier doesn't assume that any product they make using said components will suddenly become licensed. Why would you?
What you've read is obviously wrong, or you've taken away a completely false impression from it. Either way, no, it's entirely possible that other users of Qualcomm's chips have negotiated patent licenses, and Apple has done its usual thing of "holding out for a better deal" (or simply ignoring patents held by rivals, in the hope it gets another dumbass Jury foreman on its side.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
If Samsung's claims are legit then they should pursue this as fully as possible.
Apple has created a hostile market that inhibits innovation by suing anybody with anything that resembles Apple's IP. While Samsung obviously lifted some design cues from iPhone, overall I don't think anything Samsung has done would make an Apple iPhone user switch over to a Samsung Android phone, so I thought the Apple lawsuit was petty and vindictive. Apple is doing a better job of moving people to Android then Samsung is capable of. Apple has to realize that there are at least 3 to 1 people that hate Apple and everything they do which means that Android will ALWAYS be a larger platform than Apple, just like Windows was always a larger platform than Mac. Apple never cared when Microsoft lifted UI designs, so why should they care when Samsung does the same thing.
So, if Samsung has valid claims then Apple should get a taste of their own medicine. Banning iPhone 5 sales, even for a few days during the holiday season would be a big blow to Apple, and if Samsung's claims are found justified and Apple has also infringed on other people's patents, then maybe people will wake up and see Apple for what they are.
However I have the distinct feeling that Samsung's claims are thin and flimsy and more out of spite and pettiness. I fully support legal action where it's justified, but the arguments between two petulant parties does nobody any good.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Because no Droid owner ever said that *eye roll*
There's also a problem with that. Apple doesn't license their design patents, and will pretty much only license others when under duress.
No buddy, customers are driving up phone costs.
There is no reason for today's cellphones to cost more than many desktop/laptop computers. What is happening is that customers have created a market of high demand in which they are willing to pay more for these products out of perceived value than actual value. Also consider how highly subsidized phones are by cell companies to lock you into their excessively priced multi-year contracts and you realize that the market prices are completely driven by customers wants.
There is not a single customer out their that is getting screwed over by all these lawsuits. If a new generation of iPhone or Galaxy costs more than the last generation because of the cost of the lawsuits and settlements, and there are still millions of iTwits or gTwits lining up to buy them, then that is what drives up the cost of cellphones. Nobody forces you to buy something for more money then its worth, as a consumer you have complete control of where you money goes. Just that most people absolutely believe they need an upgraded iPhone or Galaxy when in reality there is actually very little differences between generations other than a new marketing spin. If Apple knows they can make an iPhone in a different case and have millions of people dump their 6 month old phone and re-buy the same thing then they are going to take full advantage of those people. That is capitalism 101 in a nutshell. Demand > Supply, $ Supply > $ Value.
Finally consider that Apple and Samsung make like 2x more profit than the cost to actually produce the device, they have more than a little slush room to absorb high legal costs.
The market bares what the market can bare, as long as people are willing to spend more for a cellphone then companies are going to charge whatever the hell they want for a phone. When people stop upgrading every 6 months and companies CAN'T cell millions of a product on its release weekend then you will see prices match closer to actual value. Just look at how the cost of PC's have bottomed out! Nobody wants them anymore and companies can't give them away.
Consumers can be smarter by buying last generation phones when they are being liquidated by these companies, or just NOT buying phones on day one.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Wrong.....they have a license agreement with Microsoft.
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/13/apple-has-licensed-ios-design-patents-to-microsoft-agreement-bans-cloning/ And highly doubt they are under duress from Microsoft.
So internal documents telling Samsung what to copy, and Google itself telling Samsung "you're copying too much, stop" is simply things you disregard?
copying isn't a crime in itself. apple copied the idea of the smartphone, the touchscreen, gestures, tablet computers, portable audio devices ... the list goes on.
the fact that google warned them doesn't implicate them in a crime. if i tell you not to cross the street because that man is going to rob you, and you do it anyway and get robbed, that doesn't make the robber innocent ... it just means you have poor judgement / don't listen to advice.
Pffft, what fun is it to down mod an AC?
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
I wonder how this patent swarm compares to the sewing machine patent swarm. Probably worse because the sewing machine compaines never thought about patenting things like rounded corners.
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I don't understand why people continue to make nonsense arguments that even the courts have found to be hogwash.
Samsung licenses the patents to Qualcomm. And then tells Qualcomm and Apple that *ONLY APPLE* does not have a patent license, every other customer of Qualcomm has.
You claim otherwise - what do you base your argument on?
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/samsung-suffers-second-and-even-more.html says:
"Furthermore, the court held that Samsung cannot assert 3G/UMTS patents against the iPhone 4S due to patent exhaustion: Apple is licensed by extension since it purchases baseband chips from Qualcomm, and Samsung's attempt to terminate its license agreement with Qualcomm as far as third-party beneficiary Apple is concerned failed because Samsung had make a commitment to ETSI, the standards body in charge of 3G, that it would grant irrevocable licenses to its 3G/UMTS-essential patents."
Samsung had an agreement with Qualcomm that Qualcomm's license to Samsung's patents covered Qualcomm's customers. So Apple used Qualcomm's chips under the understanding that they were fully licensed. But apparently desperate because of Apple's many claims related to Samsung's copying, Samsung attempted to cancel Qualcomm's license as it pertains to Apple. This is of doubtful legality, as licensing of standards-essential patents is supposed to be nondiscriminatory. But it gives Samsung some basis for countersuit, which probably helps them with investors, at least for the moment.
Well rounded corners and a flat screen means no one else can make a phone either. So if that stands, so should Samsung FRAND
Frankly, Palm should be suing the !@#$% out of all of them. Grid of icon on mobile device.
You sit on a throne of lies!
You are trying to make sense and logical arguments. That is going to spoil the name for all Anonymous Cowards from now onwards!! :)
Sure they say that, and then they can go to the store and buy a better android phone from a different manufacturer and reuse all their accessories, get back their purchased apps, etc...
Licensing, as you say. Okay. Then Apple should license one of Samsung's patents that covers, and I kid you not, how smartphone displays change when music is being played.
It's a good thing Apple and Samsung are both focusing on what is truly important. Kudos to the US Patent and Trademark office for creating a system that helps companies to focus their efforts on what is important.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Apple doesn't see Windows phone as a threat to their market share.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Oh, I thought she was German. My mistake, that would have been Judge Kuh.
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Don't confuse them with facts and reason. The meme is that Samsung made their phones as identical as they could manage. Any differences between their phones and the iPhone was their inability to match Apples pure awesome.
Besides, no one had anything like rounded corners or icons aligned to a grid or buttons that align neatly before Apple. If they did then they didn't "put them all together" in to the "perfect package". Yes, even their supposedly awful chicklet keyboards and hockey-puck mice were superior to all other alternatives -- the perfect design that give the user the perfect experience.
All those designs that came before the iPhone that look, well, like an iPhone are all lies created by time-traveling fandroids. Apple invented all that is good. Bow your head and thank Steve Jobs for blessing you with the opportunity to buy a holy iPhone, in all it's glory. Praise be!
Required reading for internet skeptics
Yeah, Jobs never had documents like that stating he wanted to copy Braun.
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I'll leave you with this one. http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrymagid/2012/10/02/android-could-soon-overtake-apple-in-tablet-market/ No wonder apple defenders get so crazed here, I think the future is scary for them.
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I agree. That was a good one! :-)
Scuffgate
It's pretty funny that Apple Haters like yourself claim Apple users are all about fashion, when Apple users care far less about scuffs on a device than Android users seem to.
Doubly funny when Android users seem to prefer cheap plastic to real metal. I guess they really ARE afraid of scuffs!
Also Apple people don't care who sells more than who. They just enjoy what they have. Enjoy your McDonalds-class devices.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The point is not about implication. The fact the Google warned them is a problem for Samsung's defenses. In a case where a patent/copyright is decided to be infringing (which the jury decided), the fines differ greatly if the infringement was willful and intentional. The fact the Google told Samsung allows the court to conclude that (1) the infringement appeared to be significant enough that Google itself was concerned and (2) Samsung was told and cannot claim they did not know. The internal documents seem to suggest that Samsung willfully infringed.
Your analogy would be more apt if you told people to cross the street because there is a great restaurant but there is a lot of robberies. Now if you knew about the robberies but still directed people anyway and a third party also warned you about crime across the street, then are you responsible for what happened to those people?
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
And what right does Samsung have to distinguish Apple from other customers of Qualcomm. They can if it is in the agreement with Qualcomm however FRAND licensing with Qualcomm would most likely forbid that. Intel and AMD chips undoubtedly have patented tech in each other's chips; Intel cannot tell AMD that they can't sell to Dell their Opteron chips but they can sell to HP because they don't want Dell to use the patented tech in the chip.
As for why you'd buy Qualcomm's chips - it's because they're a pre-made component. Why do you think? A business sourcing components from a supplier doesn't assume that any product they make using said components will suddenly become licensed. Why would you?
So Qualcomm making a pre-made component wants to make things more complicated for each of their customers? That makes no sense. If I buy a common ARM chip from TI or a common ARM chip from Samsung to build a mobile phone, you're saying the norm is that I also have to negotiate with ARM for a separate license. So when you buy a pre-installed Windows computer from Dell, you have to negotiate separately with MS about licensing? That makes no sense.
What you've read is obviously wrong, or you've taken away a completely false impression from it. Either way, no, it's entirely possible that other users of Qualcomm's chips have negotiated patent licenses, and Apple has done its usual thing of "holding out for a better deal" (or simply ignoring patents held by rivals, in the hope it gets another dumbass Jury foreman on its side.),
The problem is that Apple clearly negotiated a deal with Qualcomm. That cannot be disputed. Qualcomm as the middle man had a deal with Samsung. That is also not in dispute. There was never a discussion about Apple dealing with Samsung until the suits started so Apple couldn't have been holding out for a better deal.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I've misplaced my Samsung vs. Apple cheatsheet, but IIRC, linking to FOSSpatents is supposed to get people slamming you for linking to pro-Microsoft shill Florian Mueller.
That said, I'm wondering if Samsung and others with FRAND patents and so forth have changed terms with chip makers (Qualcomm) to prevent the exhaustion idea from being a successful defense in the future. Investigating that would be more useful than the bloviators discussing every little move in the ongoing bits of various lawsuits.
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It's not that ideas are crap, it's ridiculous that they got a patent for what amounted to letting the first year engineer design the outside of the device. Things with rectangular screens are going to be rectangular with rounded corners.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
being illegal and being in poor judgement are two different things. was samsung's copying of apple in poor judgement? that's what google said. is it illegal? google almost certainly did try to comment on the legality of samsung's products.
My old Philips had 3 weeks of battery life with my usage pattern and it took two pushes of a button (including unlocking) to call pretty much everybody I care about.
They could make the battery life longer if they wanted, but it would make the phone bigger and heavier. Apple chooses the lowest battery life people need, and put whatever size battery it takes to hit that number (if you want more battery life, there are very nice cases with built in batteries). In my opinion, your old Philips device would be better if it needed charging every night. Imagine how much thinner and lighter it would have been? Is it really that hard to plug it in when you get home?
Yep. With the phone I had before, which I had to charge everyday, I used to forget it every other day and was left *without* a phone every other day. I just don't want to think about it everyday. If I had some sort of wireless charging station at home, that authomatically starts charging, even if the phone is in your pocket then yes, I wouldn't worry.
The best thing though was that if I had to go somewhere for a weekend or even longer, I didn't even bother to take the charger with me.
And your two pushes of a button including unlocking sounds unlikely to me.
OK, it wasn't just a push. It was a long press to unlock, long press to speed dial. Still pretty optimal.
All my old phones required two pushes just to unlock, and then a long press on a button (or some similar shortcut) to call someone. With my iPhone, I don't even have to unlock it. I just hold the button down and say the person's name, and it calls them.
Well, I *really* don't want to talk to my phone. Especially saying aloud the names of the people I'm calling. Yeah, I know I'm old fashioned. My old "dumb" phone, had this feature too BTW, so there is nothing new about it. I just never used it.
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*shrug* Facts are facts regardless of who says it. OP claims there's no patent exhaustion. If OP can't show any evidence, then OP is talking out of his or her ass.
Whatever else you may thin of fosspatents, it *is* possible to find other sources, or even go to the court itself and read up on what was actually wrote about patent exhaustion if OP thinks it is full of horse shit.
And you Apple morons think that having a design patent on a rectangular device (yes, that patent was asserted, regardless of how much you like to deny it) with rounded corners is a reasonable thing.
At least Samsung is suing over something that's actually innovative: technology.
--Jeremy
Jesus was a liberal
Read up on confirmation bias.
There's just as many Apple idiots who hate people for choosing non-Apple devices as there are Android idiots.
--Jeremy
Jesus was a liberal
are you asking if it's illegal? Wasn't there a recent trial by jury...? Wait, is copyright and patent violation now a civil or criminal issue...?
There's just as many Apple idiots who hate people for choosing non-Apple devices as there are Android idiots.
No, there really isn't. You're thinking of the group people who are sick of the bashing.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Wow!! So what exactly did I say that was sooOOoo offensive that I earned that response? Whatever it was, it must really have stung!
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
OK, it wasn't just a push. It was a long press to unlock, long press to speed dial. Still pretty optimal.
i'd rather sequentially press two buttons than hold 1 button.
i used to have gesture unlock which was even easier and had some security but i haven't bothered with cyanogen yet on my current phone and android doesn't have it natively (I dont count the stupid pattern unlock)
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Nope, you made no point.
Actually.... yep I did. Sorry!
I do hope, at least, that the remainder of your week is good.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
The only thing you have to do to "secure" an Android "box" is to turn on the encryption. That's pretty much as technical as pressing a button.
Really?
Go up to any average mom, hand her an Android device and tell her to "secure" it. You really think she will find and press that button?
Of course not. So many people on Slashdot are just utterly ignorant of what is a reasonable exception of the non-technical user.
There are a lot of software fixes I have done in my day that were the equivalent of "just press that button". But I got paid money to do so because I had the understanding there was even a button to press and the experience to know where it was (metaphorically speaking).
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Hell, Apple's got a bunch of LTE patents, both original (e.g., nano-SIM)
PLEASE tell me you're joking, calling the nanosim an LTE patent AND an 'original' patent. It's a SIM CARD with a few mm shaved off it. No functional difference whatsoever from a credit-card sized sim card (the original form factor). In fact, you could take an original credit card sized sim card and a pair of scissors, and make it work in any iPhone up to and including the 5.
Once again, they have successfully patented a shape. Please.
The recent trial was a civil matter so whether Samsung products are illegal is not even a proper question. The question before the court was whether Apple's patents were valid. Was there infringement of the patents? The last question is whether the infringement was willful. The jury decided yes to all three parts.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Just nuke the patent system sky high and put all patent lawyers against the wall. By now that's probably the only way to ever get out of this fucking mess.
Many people (myself included) understand and accept this as a trade-off for the ability to carry an email/gps/web browser/media player comfortably in your pocket. I use all of the other features more than my actual phone anyway.
Yep. With the phone I had before, which I had to charge everyday, I used to forget it every other day and was left *without* a phone every other day. I just don't want to think about it everyday. If I had some sort of wireless charging station at home, that authomatically starts charging, even if the phone is in your pocket then yes, I wouldn't worry.
If I turn wireless data and wifi off on my GS3 or my old original GS the battery will last for a week. If all you want is basic phone functionality then modern smartphones are no worse than dumbphones, sometimes even better due to having high capacity batteries to support all the smart stuff.
Most people with smartphones do want the data services though, so make the trade off between functionality and having to charge up every day. Learn how to turn off the services you don't use (mobile data, background sync) and you will be happy.
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Or when Tim Cook and J.K Shin engage in a Steel Cage Celebrity Deathmatch.
Is that show stil on? I loved it when I had cable. They would surely have a Romney vs Obama one about now if so. And yes, a Cook/Shin deathmatch would be awesome! But they probably wouldn't run it, since only nerds have heard of either of those guys.
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How cute, an AC who can't read.
Oh yeah, another thing is that I didn't have any trouble doing it with ONE HAND.
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Fine... Wrong word. Not duress. They'll only license when they think the licensee doesn't matter.
It has a trade dress...which are now being used as perpetual patents you moron. :-P
i also never had that problem. i would consider that a massive drawback in unlocking if it had ever happened to me
( i have an s3 at the moment and have never needed 2 hands to unlock)
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
I agree, I have to use a smartphone for work and was never impressed. I had an HTC Tbolt and now a GS3. Convenient (besides the Tbolt which was a POS and still is from day 1), but not in the same realm as a standard phone. If my employer no longer provides a smartphone (a blessing), I would just use a standard candy bar phone and pickup a tablet (preferably one with month to month internet plans like the iPad, but preferably with Android).
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