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Boston Airport Replacing X-ray Body Scanners

OverTheGeicoE writes "Boston's Logan International Airport is in the process of replacing its X-ray body scanners with millimeter-wave ones. According to the article, nine of the new scanners have been installed already, and ultimately 27 of these scanners will replace the 17 X-ray backscatter scanners that were installed in March of 2010. The new devices are 'being installed come with software that replaces "passenger-specific images" — or nearly naked views of travelers — with generic outlines that highlight only anomalies such as belts, jewelry, wallets — or guns or bombs.' Perhaps this will help TSA workers avoid being part of a cancer cluster. Some speculate that TSA will ultimately eliminate all of its X-ray body scanners."

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  1. Who makes them? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it the same company profiting by replacing their old useless hardware with the new?

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    1. Re:Who makes them? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's the citations, I'm sure you left them out by accident...

      Michael Chertoff, George Soros

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    2. Re:Who makes them? by dragon-file · · Score: 2

      I left out the citations because i'm lazy but I'll claim it was accident.

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    3. Re:Who makes them? by davester666 · · Score: 2

      No, the TSA does NOT have shares in that company. Individual employee's of the TSA do.

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    4. Re:Who makes them? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      All that's left is for the TSA to replace the complete assholes and morons that man the check points.

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  2. Interesting by tool462 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if ..um... shall we say "abnormally endowed" men will have their endowments highlighted as a generic outline?
    If not, countdown until we hear about the "dildo-bomber" on the news...

    1. Re:Interesting by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that a bomb or are you just happy to see me?

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    2. Re:Interesting by tool462 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Touch it and see if it goes off ;)

    3. Re:Interesting by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      (the first being "sometimes it just won't fit")

      Hint: Girls come in different capacities.

      Whenever you hear a girl say "I prefer big ones" she's really saying "I have a cavernous bucket of a vagina". Remember that and you won't go far wrong in life.

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    4. Re:Interesting by parkinglot777 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think that has already happened before... http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573 Not a pleasant outcome though... :(

    5. Re:Interesting by kimvette · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A TSA spokesperson declined to comment on this specific case, but said that anyone ejaculating during a pat-down would be subject to arrest.

      I don't think the TSA understands cause-and-effect.

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    6. Re:Interesting by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you looked at the website very carefully...

  3. tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if these scanners are so important why is rapiscan allowed to make a profit on them?

    1. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Waddaya mean, no benefit? I'm sure the shareholders of Rapiscan are benefiting greatly!

      Oh, you meant benefit to the public. Nah, the TSA isn't interested in that.

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    2. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Dan667 · · Score: 3

      my contention is there would be no scanners if no one could make a profit on them.

    3. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Dan667 · · Score: 2

      remember when we use to make fun of communists and their "show me your papers" paranoia? Now you appear to be a fan of it.

    4. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by JazzHarper · · Score: 2

      my contention is there would be no scanners if no one could make a profit on them.

      There would be no airlines if no one could make a profit... oh wait.

    5. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is your objection to them making money on a specialized product like that?

      Now, I can understand being upset if lets say the person majorly involved in getting them instituted turns out to own a very large part of that company.

      The politicians shouldn't profit from it, but the manufacturer should.

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    6. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem wasn't the communism. The problem was the "show me your papers." We just learned how to import the second part without the first, it seems.

    7. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Food is essential but farmers are allowed to make a profit on it. The scanners are offensive because of the loss of freedom they represent, not because someone is making a profit on them.

      People _need_ food.
      The scanner are _mandated_ by law.

      Profiting from something that had been decreed necessary and made a monopoly by the government is the problem. Where are my non-TSA airports so that I could vote with my wallet? They would probably be cheaper, but I'd pay more to make my point.

    8. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Mitreya · · Score: 2

      What is your objection to them making money on a specialized product like that?

      They make money even after devices have been shown unsafe (I believe the old xray machines have been banned in Europe for some time due to health concerns) and even after the devices have been shown ineffective.

      They should be making zero profit (maybe just cover the costs) from a device that has not delivered on the specifications. Without stringent quality control, that's literally just money being shuffled to contractors.

    9. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Jeng · · Score: 2

      I think it is the government mandated part that rubs him the wrong way.

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    10. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      my contention is there would be no scanners if no one could make a profit on them.

      Yeah - Free market rules!

      Oh, wait, these are government mandated devices (pushed through with Chertoff's help who also consults with the contractor). And no one does any quality control - they are proven to be ineffective at actually detecting dangerous items, but more are bought anyway

      It's like saying that if the speeding ticket/toll booth collection wasn't profitable it wouldn't exist.

    11. Re:tsa blowing taxpayer money for no benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect it's because we don't live in a communist country.

      Actually, it would seem we kinda do live in a communist country

      In a capitalist country, airports would purchase the devices if these were needed by shopping around and choosing the best provider. And then if the public wanted the devices in the airport, the airports that had the devices would flourish (or vice versa). Also, in a capitalist country, devices that were demonstrably flawed (at actually detecting things) would be returned for a refund

      Now in a communist country, the government might mandate that the devices must be built, irregardless of whether these devices actually work and installed everywhere. By the one contractor chosen by their government friends

      Which country are we living in, again?

  4. just to be clear by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. its still an invasion of privacy as the outline concept or any other concept related to the technology cannot be verified
    2. its still a health risk
    tin foil bonus round: it would also be much easier considering the entirety of the TSA revolves around security theater to simply remove the existing units, replace the chassis, and reinstall them with livery to suggest millimeter wave scanning is in progress.

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  5. That's not the most important problem by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The key problems with the X-ray machines were:
    1. They were invasive searches without anything remotely similar to probable cause.
    2. They don't actually stop people from carrying bombs onto aircraft (as has been tested several times).

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    1. Re:That's not the most important problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The potentially cancer-causing radiation is not a key problem? I think the standards for security screening need to start with "First, do no harm."

      Waste and ineffectiveness is a problem, but it comes second to directly harming innocent people.

    2. Re:That's not the most important problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the fact that they were unregulated x-ray equipment operated by un-certified amateur radiologists hired through ads on pizza boxes might qualify as a problem.

    3. Re:That's not the most important problem by slimak · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the US virtually all x-ray machines (including medical) are operated by un-certified radiologists. Radiologists interpret the images, they do not (typically) run the imaging devices. Radiographer or radiologic technologist (or just "tech" as they are typically called in the field) run the devices. Fortunately, the techs in medicine are typically well trained and certified. I'm not sure about the TSA team, but probably not so much. So your overall point is probably still accurate.

  6. Looking back at history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're going to look back at this era in disbelief. It will be like us looking back at early medicine where people took elixirs full of Mercury.

    1. Re:Looking back at history by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're going through the Gilded Age and McCarthyism for the second time now, how many times does history have to repeat itself until we learn?

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    2. Re:Looking back at history by Applekid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We're going through the Gilded Age and McCarthyism for the second time now, how many times does history have to repeat itself until we learn?

      Fear is instinctual, so learning can't possibly win that fight.

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    3. Re:Looking back at history by Githaron · · Score: 4, Funny

      With our luck lately, we will look back at this era as the "good old days" when the TSA was only in the airport and they only irradiated us instead of doing a strip and full-cavity search.

  7. Calibration; Europe by KaiBeezy · · Score: 2

    I always thought the problem was calibration, and more specifically that the company responsible for building and selling these was also responsible for ongoing testing, calibration and certification -- a clear conflict of interest. After that series of articles in the NYTimes a couple years ago about people getting fried to death in misconfigured x-ray machines, fear of ending up like Spock (before re-genesis of course, but I digress) was my main reason for taking the pat-down every time.

    Secondary reason was European airports banning them, but that has since been reversed. UK doesn't let you opt for pat-downs, not sure about the rest of Europe.

    The whole ionizing radiation deal gives me the creeps. Let's hope they do all switch over to millimeter wave. Right? Or is there a fatal flaw with those too?

  8. Big whoop... by jasno · · Score: 2

    As my upper-middle-class, female, New Yorker friend just found out, the problem with the sanitized images is that forgetting a dime in your pocket will cause it to trigger a general alert and you'll be whisked aside for gate-rape.

    And let's not forget that a butt-bomb, like that used by terrorists in Saudi Arabia in 2009, is still undetectable by gropers and scanners.

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    1. Re:Big whoop... by Alex+Zepeda · · Score: 2

      That happened to me recently. Actually it was two dimes in one pocket that set off the machine. The process went a little like this: I got asked a few times what I had in my right pocket, waited for a male TSA employee to come over, waited for the TSA agents to stop bickering, got a quick patdown (including a few squeezes of my pockets), turned my pocket inside out, discovered two dimes, went on my way. All the while I was staring at an outline of my body with a couple of red squares highlighting the areas of interest.

      My problem with the pornoscanners is twofold: they're extremely invasive and they're (potentially) dangerous. These newer machine address the first issue pretty well IMO, and as long as they're safer I'm pretty much satisfied. Now if only they could get rid of the bullshit liquid, gel, spreadable rules...

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    2. Re:Big whoop... by jasno · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, but some of us have rectums capable of allowing objects to exit as well as enter. So it may be possible that a terrorist has this capability as well, along with, say, a few of his friends, who could then assemble the device outside their anal cavity.

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  9. Slippery Slope is no longer a logical fallacy by Applekid · · Score: 2

    When the multimeter wave scanners were installed, it was a lot of "don't worry, only a subset of travelers will be subjected to it" and "you can choose to be sexually molested instead". Fast forward a few years and now they're replacing regular X-ray machines with them.

    How soon before you have to pass through one to go into a government building? A grocery store? Outside your own home?

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    1. Re:Slippery Slope is no longer a logical fallacy by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      How soon before you have to pass through one to go into a government building?

      This is already required at some courthouses in the US, they were there before they were in airports IIRC.

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  10. Except.... by Luthair · · Score: 5, Interesting

    millimeter wave scanners may unzip dna strands and no studies have been done about the long term effects of human exposure, hurray!

    1. Re:Except.... by claar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whoever marked this as flamebait should read this article posted by numbius above. Worth study, it seems.

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  11. anonymous by fulldecent · · Score: 2

    When anonymous gets a hold of the image data and tags it to passenger's facebook wall... that will be the day public has had enough. It is hard to get people off the theater. When anonymous puts a hold of the image data and publishes senator's likenesses, that will be the day they outlaw it.

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  12. No longer used in Europe by xaxa · · Score: 2

    Secondary reason was European airports banning them, but that has since been reversed. UK doesn't let you opt for pat-downs, not sure about the rest of Europe.

    Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm about to cite the Daily Mail), but it looks like they're no longer in use in the EU -- the Manchester use was a temporary extension, an exception to the general ban last year.

    According to this the Manchester machines will be replaced by the end of October.

  13. Re:Least of their problems by PPH · · Score: 2

    Boston isn't really all that bad. Occasionally, you do get stuck in a security line behind 19 guys trying to bring box cutters on a flight. But other than that, its OK.

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  14. Re:Just great... by Jeng · · Score: 2

    Yes, now that we can see all these wonderful tasty organs it's time to cook them.

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  15. No more hand searches by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good, I can stop requesting on a hand search when I fly out of Boston. It's not that I consider the exposure particularly hazardous--I don't; I've voluntarily exposed myself to far more radiation over the years--I just saw no point in additional exposure to ionizing radiation when I can avoid it, and I don't really mind the hand search.

  16. New and Improved by edibobb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mm wavelength scanners will prevent Logan Airport from being blown up by LED T-Shirts.
    We need more scanners.

  17. Former Boston and Israel frequent flyer here... by DSS11Q13 · · Score: 2

    At the risk of beating a dead horse... I'd like to share my experience with beating these systems. I'm personally much more interested in Boston's integration of Israeli style interview tactics. I lived in the Middle East for a couple years and went through the borders on an almost daily basis, and several times through the Tel Aviv airport (Israel's only international airport). Israel doesn't use anything resembling our body scanners, and instead relies on brief interviews of every person flying to determine what additional screening will be necessary (all the way up to strip searching), supplemented with American bomb sniffing machines. Their security works. Were it not for the fact that I went through it so often, I wouldn't have been able to beat it.

    You could imagine my surprise when on one of my most recent flights to/from (I can't remember which way) Boston I was treated to such an interview. I was caught off guard, but immediately recognized it as the identical setup. I quickly put on my "set off no alarms" interview demeanor and made it through fine. Frankly I hope this catches on. I would like to think of myself as something of a "getting through borders" professional, I've gotten through Israeli and American airports and onto planes with everything from a can of pepper spray to a live scorpion. You can scan my body (though I always opt out) and my bags all day, but sit me down for an interview and after long enough even the best person will crack if they are hiding something.

    1. Re:Former Boston and Israel frequent flyer here... by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      Why? Why this constant comparison to Israel?
      Why not just get rid of it completely?
      What does the "security" do? Here, in Israel, or anywhere else?
      Interviews are mostly pointless. Any good person will breeze right through it. And only a TRAINED interviewer will have a chance of catching something.
      But really, what is the point? To catch some mythical bombers? IF someone wanted to bomb a plane, they will figure out a way (and wait, they HAVE) whether we have professional interviewers, or radiation scanning machines.
      But why the need to spend so much time and effort to protect such a small section of the population? What terrorist is going to bother, when there are plenty of other juicy targets to go after?