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Kim Dotcom Apparently Spied On For Longer Than Admitted
another random user writes "Kim Dotcom's internet connection was being diverted inside New Zealand weeks before the Government Communications Security Bureau says it started spying on him. The New Zealand Herald has obtained details showing Telecom engineers and staff at its technology services company Gen-I were investigating irregularities with his internet connection in November. The revelation has raised suspicion that Mr Dotcom was victim to earlier spying than the GCSB has admitted. It has brought fresh calls for an inquiry amid claims of the spy agency's role in the international 'Five Eyes' Echelon Network."
Apparently they can't manage to splice in an optical device that would be impossible to detect, except maybe for introducing a 3 microsecond additional delay.
Probably all the proper engineers have been borged by the Banksters. Only the Reject Still Working For Government. Reason to cheer or to be sad ?
If the latency figures in the article are accurate then the traffic wasn't staying in the country at all. You can get from one end of the country to the other in 35ms round trip, so even the original 30ms seems rubbish unless the circuit was DSL. The way they were making out it was a high end connection that doesn't seem likely. 180ms will easily get you too Australia and all going well will get you to San Jose from New Zealand.
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Prime Minister John Key is schmoozing with studio bosses, hoping they'll keep the promises they made to him in this NZ election year.
And yet already they're letting him down, eve after he agreed to use the NZ GCSB and police against Dotcom on their behalf.
Those US studio bosses promised big rewards to John Key and "for New Zealand" in return, such as movie and TV production deals.
Only, once Dotcom was nuked, and everyone started glowing in the dark from the fallout, the studios then told the PM that they wanted NZ's existing foreign production subsidy upped to 30% from 16%, and postponed 'Avatar 2' which was to have begun shooting in NZ in 2013.
You see, PM John Key? See what happens when you get into bed with the Big Players in the hope you'll get yourself reelected?
On the other hand, I have no doubt they'll reward you with some juicy little seat on a board or three when you retire from politics, so it's not all bad... Unless you're just a NZ citizen-taxpayer, in which case, yes, it's all bad..
Since it involves the government, there is little choice other than to assume it was spying. The authorities should have to prove their innocence, or they should lose their authority.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
For hardcore online gamer ping is one of the most important metrics to check up your internet connection - and hardcore gamers do everything to keep it as low as possible.
Kim even had own fiberoptics laid to his mansion - since he's a gamefreak...
So, when ping goes up considerable for some time it's not just a routing "issue".
That's why europeans, north americans and asians don't usually play outside their region - bigger ping.
Can anyone remind me, again what his crime was?
Wasn't he just running a cloud backup service, same as countless nonarrested others?
He was going to launch the Megabox service. Thus, his crime was the most serious crime any citizen of the United States of Earth can commit: Felony interference with an outdated business model. It's still rather surprising that the MPAAocrat administration didn't send over a predator drone or two to level his house and be done with it.
Given what I have seen of law enforcement and how they think about civil rights, they may have been preparing an investigation and thus installed some equipment without activating it. You know, the standard CALEA excuse: we are not spying on you, we have not hit the "start spying" button to actually collect information; those wiretapping machines are just so that we do not have to move our equipment there later!
Palm trees and 8
That in itself is not a crime. I think the claim is that he knew (or noticed) specific files that were infringing and still continued to host them. The employees even mentioned some file name and repeated infringes. One mentioned that the all "downloads" counted towards a payout were from infringing content, and mentioned that he is approving the payment this time, but would approve it the next time.
The other hosters make it very clear that they have zero tolerance towards anything they identify/notice as infringing. Megaupload was sort of a bit tolerant, and it is now biting them in the ass.
Hey, the New Zealand intelligence infrastructure takes cheating at Modern Warfare 3 very seriously! (see Kim's wikipedia page)
Alleged but never proven.
The Groaci are involved? We know who to call for that...
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That in itself is not a crime.
I'm not saying this, but the issue is "facilitating" this "piracy".
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From whom was John Banks getting that political funding?
Why, none other than KIM DOTCOM.
John Key worked very hard to ensure that John Banks won the Epsom seat, as it could only be a significant boost for Key's National Party.
A big chunk of the campaign finance for that election bid was supplied by Kim Dotcom, since Banks -- for a very juicy fee, of course -- had supported Dotcom's NZ residency application.
And then John Key used the NZ security services like a bunch of mob hitmen to bring Dotcom down in order to curry favour with American *AA interests.
When Dotcom appealed to John Banks for assistance -- well, he had just bought and paid for John Banks, after all -- Banks went all Sergeant Shultz on his ass.
But it may be that Dotcom will get the last laugh, because all this shit is chomping very hard on the asses of the two Johnnies right now.
The authorities should have to prove their innocence, or they should lose their authority.
Prove that you are not a serial killer. Prove you do not rape women. Prove you do not rob banks. A negative is almost impossible to prove. The government has the same "assumption of innocence" as a person. One needs to prove that something happens not prove that something didn't.
Didn't he "pay out" for files that brought a lot of traffic? With "pirated" content bringing the most traffic?
Suspicious behavior, yes.
An actual crime, no (at least not in the US at the time, or not unless they can actually get more evidence, than what is already publicly known).
Knowingly facilitating piracy is a crime. This is why rapidshare is not being prosecuted. The moment they come know a file they have has been reported as pirated, they take it down. If any of their employees comes across one, they take it down.
The government has the same "assumption of innocence" as a person.
Not while they have any authority... That's is price we must make them pay for it. And I'm not saying throw them in jail for abusing it, just that it must be taken away from them. A government should be made to use their authority transparently.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I should also point out that it is a proven fact that authority will be abused if not carefully monitored. So no, the government is quite guilty of abusing its authority over and over again with no incentive to act otherwise.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
His crime was pissing off the industry.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Blanket statements like "the government is quite guilty of abusing its authority over and over again with no incentive to act otherwise." fail at the lowest level. It seems that you assume "government" is one person who never changes. Government is millions people who have differing agendas. Just because a few people in one government agency abuse their authority does not mean all governments agencies everywhere automatically abuse their authority. "Government" is not homogeneous; It changes depending on country, who is in power, and who is employed.
As for incentive, there is a very powerful one; getting re-elected. Abuse of power has been instrumental in the defeat of many parties.
The NZ Prime Minister John Key is *so* in-bed with the US movie industry that it is not funny.
Right now, he's in the USA schmoozing with the members of the MPAA and offering them hundreds of millions of (taxpayer) dollars in inducements to come film their products here.
Meanwhile... the same government ignores pleas from the science and technology sectors here to give them even a small break with respect to their R&D activities. Even when they do have a brain-fart and decide to invest taxpayers' money in some research or development activity they totally screw up and blow almost $1m on a stupid pie-in-the-sky delusion like the Martin Jetpack.
No, it seems that the government is more interested in selling-out (at all levels) to the USA than in helping to actually create some really valuable intellectual property that would be *owned* by NZers.
Kim Dotcom can't win -- because he's fighting the people who make (and break with impunity) the rules.
How long before the citizens of the world wake up to the way in which their governments are colluding with certain big business interests to disadvantage the majority of people?
Surely, in this age of technology, we can do more than simply voice our disgust on forums like this?
What is the next step?
There is an interesting catch 22 here. If the government needs to gather information on someone through a properly authorized wiretap they must keep the wiretap secret. For the government to be transparent it must make public all wiretaps. See the problem. It is the same as raising the requirements for a search warrant; if one needs proof to get a search warrant it will never happen because one needs a search warrant to get the proof.
Secondly, if government has no authority then they can not govern as they do not have the authority to do so?
The issue is that it is not some nebulous concept called "government" that is the issue. It is the people that run the government. If power is abused then fire the people and get better ones. The government is given authority because it is needed to get work done.
If power is abused then fire the people and get better ones...
Precisely.. That's the only way we can force them to operate more transparently. But we don't do that, so we must assume the worse until it changes. History and current events back me up on this. Government is guilty of abusing its authority and it will continue to do so until we change it. There is no reason to facilitate these abuses, but collectively we do, with our vote. Therefore, guilty as charged until proven otherwise, and we are the accomplice.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Try looking at this from a logical rather than emotional point of view.
Government is guilty of abusing its authority and it will continue to do so until we change it.
Government is not a single entity therefore blanket statements like this are patently false. If one replaces the word "government" with "some government agencies", some government personnel", "some elected officials", etc then you may have something. Labelling all governments as abusing authority is much too broad.
Transparency is not a panacea. No one has the time to know and understand everything every government agency does. Do you want every email to or from every government employee, every phone call recorded, every meeting videoed, every document on line? Do you realize how much information that is? There are also times when transparency is bad. Gathering information on a suspect for example. If it was known the suspect is being watched they would do no crimes but we can not watch suspects forever.
If you have an issue with specific actions of specific departments then say that and come up with a solution. It is very easy to use broad nebulous terms like "government" and "transparency" but much harder to come up with solutions to the issues. How would you plan to change government? Hint: More transparency is a goal not a plan.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine upon submission of a SF-86 for a a 3 letter organization, full poly the works. 2 years of the same ping to our favorite server only 20 miles from his/my house(Reston, VA), both of us on the same service (fios), 2 blocks away, his ping took a 35ms jump(5-8 to 40-43). Hated it for the entire BI process, and it lasted for 3 months after passing. Also was interesting was the hop count and how that got manipulated.....
I believe you need to study up a little on basic human/animal psychology. Every study ever made demonstrates very explicitly how authority is abused. It's a very natural tendency, even with the best of characters. It's a gimme.
As for incentive, there is a very powerful one; getting re-elected. Abuse of power has been instrumental in the defeat of many parties.
Not really, only individuals get voted out. They are expendable. The abusive party remains, and most people will be scared into going along. 9/11 is the best example we have today. Bush was extremely abusive with his power and easily won reelection despite all that. And even though that faction of the party was subsequently defeated afterwards, the abuse continues, and there remains little resistance. The abuse will definitely continue for some time to come. And don't get me started on the state's department of motor vehicles and similar bureaucracies (IRS?), that can keep you standing in line for hours at a time, only to send you home to dig up more paperwork that should be their obligation to fill out.
Sorry, even with the slightest hint of trouble like this with a government, you can bet somebody is abusing their power by selling it to the highest bidder, and you would win that bet, even in New Zealand. Most people are distracted by other issues to take this into account. And the government will grow even more abusive until the voters turn it around.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Do you want every email to or from every government employee, every phone call recorded, every meeting videoed, every document on line?
If we demand it, hell yes! They must be made to answer to the public. Our obligation is to make sure they do exactly that, instead of accepting their statements at face value. History shows over and over that we are acquiesce far too easily. Time to turn it around and vote out the corrupt parties that hide behind closed doors. Time to put them into a glass house.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
To paraphrase you post. When it comes to governments accusation = conviction. I don't buy it. Sure one can point to some abuse in every government agency. But that is not the point. Every agency has some people who let authority go to their head but that is not true for all employees of an agency. For example, some police officers have beaten and killed innocent people that does not mean that every officer is bad or that the whole department is bad. That is what I mean by broad statements.
Most people are distracted by other issues to take this into account. And the government will grow even more abusive until the voters turn it around.
That is an interesting statement taken with a previous statement.
Every study ever made demonstrates very explicitly how authority is abused. It's a very natural tendency, even with the best of characters. It's a gimme.
So if the voters put other people into power they will automatically be corrupted by the power and we will be right back where we started. How does that fix things?
that time zone and language differences for gaming time / chats etc
most people in europe use english in game chats.. and hc gamers don't stick to normal schedule. it's all about the ping.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Can anyone remind me, again what his crime was?
Wasn't he just running a cloud backup service, same as countless nonarrested others?
"conspiracy".
just copyright infringement wasn't enough for extradition, so they invented that the company was a conspiracy.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So if the voters put other people into power they will automatically be corrupted by the power and we will be right back where we started. How does that fix things?
We have to watch carefully. Hang the proverbial sword of Damocles over their heads. They won't be so abusive if they have a camera in their chambers, like they want on our street corners, or if we keep an eye on their correspondence, in the same fashion of the power they want to look at ours. This has to be a two way street. At the very least there must be parity. But those in power must obviously be watched very closely. They have proven to be untrustworthy. They are presently abusive because they think they can get away with it, and they are getting away with it now. Make it clear that they won't, and will be removed for said abuses, and we'll go a very long way to solving the problem. It's not difficult, but it does require some effort on our part.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Would you work under those conditions where you every move is recorded and stored. There isn't even enough hard drive space in the world to store a month of information that detailed. By the way, the corrupt parties have little to do with it. Bureaucracy is run by the bureaucrats and not the elected officials or their parties.
Who would do the watching? Would they not have power over the people they watch and by the theory of automatic corruption would they not abuse that power? Who would watch the watchers? More watchers? More power? More corruption? It is never ending.
Yes, the bureaucracy is the true 'secret' government, but they are funded and appointed by elected officials. We have to watch what they do about a bad situation. And the NSA (in the US) built a nice big data center to store all our emails. They can cough up some space for this also. Look, it's way too lopsided the way things are now. We are too easy to accept unbridled authority. We have to remind people that the government serves us, not the other way around. We shouldn't let their position be turned into a career, with benefits none of us receive. We must turn it into community service.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
A routing problem that affects one customer, that even the ISP can't find an explanation for? And let's not forget that his ISP is one of the few that controls the backhaul all the way to the cable out of the country, and is the one that controls the connection to the United States by virtue of its 51% ownership of Southern Cross Cable. If they can't find a "routing problem" on their network, it's likely there is not one.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Who would do the watching?
We, the voters do.. We put 'em on unedited C-span. It's our job. When we fail, we get what we have. But you know what? This entire discussion will end up noting that majority rule is a failure, because it takes a corrupt, ignorant voter to elect a corrupt politician. In truth, I see them as a very accurate reflection of the voters themselves. People are trying to vote themselves either a tax cut or a government check, in the same way the politician votes himself a raise. So, the real solution is... what?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
To be honest, I'm not convinced they like Google either, and if Google were smaller I expect that Eric Schmidt, Larry Page, and Sergey Brin would already be in federal prison. Kim was just an easier target because he is in a US friendly country.
You know, it didn't used to be like this. There was a time when the US and NZ would snarl at each other upon entering a room. Something to do with not permitting your ships into our waters because you can "neither confirm nor deny whether this ship is carrying a nuclear payload".
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
In most countries, merely ripping the DVD is illegal in itself. Go check your format shifting provisions - the MPA(*) pays big money to prevent format shifting of video content being legalised. However, even if that doesn't work, coming soon to a legislature near you: TPM circumvention controls. Brought to you by the United States Government.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Money laundering actually. That's the kicker. By claiming that his company was involved in copyright infringement on a massive scale (but insufficient under the extradition treaty to apply to have him relocated) they could then claim that all the money the company gained was illegal, and therefore money laundering (which does carry a penalty sufficient for extradition).
If his lawyers can tank the copyright infringement charge, the money laundering charge collapses too, and the FBI have nothing.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Do you want every email to or from every government employee, every phone call recorded, every meeting videoed, every document on line? Do you realize how much information that is?
Actually here in Sweden we do just that (except videoing every meeting but they have to be transcribed), if you work for the public then any person in Sweden has the right to get a copy of your emails, your snail mail correspondance etc. Unless the data for some reason has been classified but that is actually quite hard to do (one expection was however made in 2009 when the data transmissions from within the gouvernment for the time period of the 2004 tsunami in Asia).
We, the voters do.. We put 'em on unedited C-span. It's our job. When we fail, we get what we have.
Sounds easy until you realize you would need millions of channels to watch the millions of politicians and public employees.
So, the real solution is... what?
As Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."
Can you link the current feed of what the Stockholm police chief is doing right now? Who he is talking to? What unofficial emails he is sending on his personal account? If it goes through a government server or occurs on an official meeting it is probably accessible but that is only a small portion of what goes on. Is every telephone call recorded and transcribed? Do you record and transcribe every time two or more people stop in the hall or washroom and talk? Is every office bugged and transcribed every day? There are plenty of other ways to communicate that can be use by corrupt official and never officially recorded.
And the NSA (in the US) built a nice big data center to store all our emails. They can cough up some space for this also.
I don't think you quite understand the scale of what you are asking. How would one follow and video a government official in such a way as not to infringe on the privacy of the people around him? The comparison to storing all emails is bogus on two point. Text is easy to compress video and voice is not. Video and voice recordings are very difficult to search; text is easy.
We have to remind people that the government serves us, not the other way around. We shouldn't let their position be turned into a career, with benefits none of us receive. We must turn it into community service.
Interesting goals; how would you implement this?
The other hosters make it very clear that they have zero tolerance towards anything they identify/notice as infringing. Megaupload was sort of a bit tolerant, and it is now biting them in the ass.
I presume "other hosters" would you YouTube, and "zero tolerance" would be the content of internal YouTube emails revealed at Viacom trial, right?
Is that the 'zero tolerance' you are talking about, or we are talking some other 'zero tolerance' here?
Not even that: it's that an overwhelming number people being governed are largely complacent and disinterested.
e.g. here in Australia we whale in anguish at the way injured people are treated in woefully underfunded public hospitals, while the government simultaneously wastes billions upon billions in bad decisions. Decisions that we do nothing to alter.
No: the fault lies squarely with us. You get the government you deserve.
Sweden is the last place on earth after New Zealand to try to claim this. The officials have fewer problems then those in New Zealand playing obvious lapdogs for US. From Piratebay, which used to be legal in Sweden, to IPRED to spy on russian outbound internet traffic to the West, to case Assange which perverted justice and extradition rules in extremely obvious and very post-9/11 USA-way, transparency at high levels of government is absolutely the last thing that currently exists in Sweden for meaningful cases when foreign powers are involved.
There is some meaningful transparency on low level. There is little to none on high level, and that's frankly a Nordic problem in general. We're a bit too closed of a society with old boys clubs forming too easily. That's our kind of corruption, where no money changes hands, just favours.
We have to do whatever it takes to keep government honest. And, going back, if we don't, we have to assume the worse of it. It's the only way to treat such a situation, given the scientifically proven fact that authority will be abused if not carefully watched. All authority must be held to a much higher standard. That is the minimum cost.
Churchill also said, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Interesting goals; how would you implement this?
We must nominate and elect, if not conscript better people for the job. It starts with us. If we don't make the effort, nothing will change, which leads me back to my original premise. You will continue to have nothing but the same corrupt carny hucksters in high office that we have today, making and breaking impossible promises, and operating in secret. That simply should not be allowed to happen. They are crooks, and we are responsible. The first step is to recognize the role we play. The second is our own desire to change. The solution is staring us in the face. Our implementation of majority rule is a failure now, but it doesn't have to remain that way. As long as it does, the burden of guilt shall remain.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Knowingly facilitating piracy is a crime. This is why rapidshare is not being prosecuted. The moment they come know a file they have has been reported as pirated, they take it down. If any of their employees comes across one, they take it down.
And this is a great example of why people who don't know anything about the topic they are talking about should actually, you know, talk about it.
At least in time before Internet dumb people were not advertising it to everyone.
Knowingly facilitating piracy is a crime. This is why rapidshare is not being prosecuted. The moment they come know a file they have has been reported as pirated, they take it down. If any of their employees comes across one, they take it down.
MegaUpload also had this feature, reportedly one of the best in the filelocker community. Fully automated. A rights owner just needed to log in and report the file and it was gone from all the server farms.
Oh, and Rapidshare was hit with an attempted prosecution but they're Switzerland-based and thus extremely hard to hit. So nothing came out of it and Rapidshare is humming along, just like always.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
That is their DMCA page, and yes they respected DMCA (and every file locker does). But they payed people who violated DMCA. Other file lockers, will ban and close the account if one repeatedly violated copyright, and would definitely not count the downloads of copyrighted material towards their payouts. The FBI believes this amounts to paying pirates and encouraging pirates.
We must nominate and elect
We do that now.
if not conscript better people for the job.
Who is the arbiter of who the "better people" are? Are these arbiters corruptible?
if not conscript better people for the job.
The goals are staring us in the face; the plan to reach those goals is much more elusive.
This is circular logic.
1. People in government are corrupt
2.We need to put good people in government.
3.Government had power and power corrupts.
4.The good put in government will be corrupted by the power.
5. Goto 1
How do we break the cycle?
Sorry but watching every government official 24/7 is not a realistic option.
And how do we do that. It is easy to point out a problem but much harder to find a plan that leads to a solution. "All authority must be held to a much higher standard" is a goal not a plan.
Combining both replies in one post:
"All authority must be held to a much higher standard" is a goal not a plan.
The plan is to actually do it. Start with looking for people that will live up to the standard. And to vote them out if/when they fail.
How do we break the cycle?
By voting conscientiously instead of for the guy with the flashiest suit.
Sorry but watching every government official 24/7 is not a realistic option.
But letting them know they can no longer hide behind the flag, or their badge is realistic, and is doable. But we have to do it. It won't happen by itself. They have to know they can no longer make their deals in secret. That will go a very long way to mitigate the corruption. We're not even trying now, mostly because the average voter wants a piece of it. They don't see it as corrupt, but it is. I will stand by my position until I see the government open up the books.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"Do it" is not a plan. How does one actually hold someone to a higher standard? Tougher laws? More surveillance? What is your plan to actuall "do it"? How do we know the "people that will live up to the standard" now will not change when voted in?
They have to know they can no longer make their deals in secret
How do we ensure that? I don't think telling them something they already know will make a difference. Bribery and conflict of interest are already illegal or grounds for dismissal.
They don't see it as corrupt, but it is.
They are not that stupid. The corrupt officials know they are corrupt but do it anyway.
Still no plan; only goals.
More surveillance?
Yes
How do we know the "people that will live up to the standard" now will not change when voted in?
See previous question and answer.
How do we ensure that?
See first question and answer...
The corrupt officials know they are corrupt but do it anyway.
Because they know nobody's watching. So you apply more surveillance
This is at least the second time I've explained how. If you don't get it by now, I can no longer be of any assistance. You don't seem too interested in reading and comprehending my previous posts. So, I'm off..
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
How will the surveillance data be collected. If it is not 24/7 then it is useless because there will always be time when someone is not watching when they can do corrupt things. There are also not enough people in the world to watch every official 24/7.
You miss the main point; surveillance requires people and people are corruptible. Also the "no one is watching" is BS. There are a huge number of NGO watchdog groups out there looking for corruption or are they corrupt too?
You have not explained anything. All you have done is set out goals but no plan to achieve them. Setting goals is the easy part.
Considering that there are several well known spy agencies in the US such as the NSA and CIA I would say that there is a lot of money spent on spying.. I doubt a single person could even read all the government yearly budget reports. There is no way individuals are going to be able to micromanage the government.
The government can not expect to have any right to privacy as long as it is tax funded.
It is not a right to privacy issue; it is a data volume issue. Do you really think that your couple of hundred dollar tax contribution to a multi billion dollar budget can be tracked? Your taxes go unto a huge pot and get spent.
Then there are security issues. Do you really think it smart to make public that the US government paid a specific Iranian citizen for information about Iranian nuclear technology? Do you want valuable intelligence assets killed? When it comes to spying you are not going to get transparency. There is a reason it is called "cloak and dagger".
The two issues are not connected, transparancy and the gouvernment doing bad things are two completely different things. And you must forget also that there is political majority in favor of these things at the moment (pirate bay and assange) so actually it just means that things are working as it should even though I'm personally not in favor of these things.
One more thing, if you have a connection with Sweden then you might have heard of the Thomas Quick travesty, Consider that Expressen and DN (two newspapers) requested and god the complete e-mail correspondence from one of the members of the Supreme Court Göran Lambertz in which it was proved that he conspired with the old prosecutor and police inspector in the case (for example he wrote "since I'm supposed to be non biased can you write your own defence but put in some negatives as well and then I will publish it under my name ). That is quite high level if you ask me.