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Canadian Spying Case Proves Floppy Drive Isn't Dead Yet

An anonymous reader writes "The details of a Canadian spying case are coming to light, including the method of copying the sensitive data from the 'secured' computer linking five countries and the Russian handlers: Copy Data into Notepad; Save File to Floppy Drive; USB Key; ???; Profit! For $3000/mo in prepaid credit cards and wire transfers."

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  1. Make fun of them all you want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But frankly, the fact that they aren't blowing billions of dollars on having bases in the Middle East, supporting an "ally" that stabs them in the back every chance they get while still doing things that stir up trouible - like stealing other people's land, and the fact that I've never heard protestors in a Muslim country yell, "Death to Cananda!" or a Latin/South American say something bad about a Canadian.

    If it weren't for us, the US, I bet their lives would be much more peaceful.

    I'll take their problems anyday.

    1. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    2. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair. It is not at all a forgone conclusion that if the US were to not do these things that other countries would not have to step up their defense spending.
      I think that the US having to spend all this money allows allies to spend considerably less.

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    3. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know it's hard for people to actually be informed on topics before they speak, but you may want to research how in the past decade or so Canada has very much gone from a "peace keeper" to a "peace maker". They were one of the first countries pushing for military intervention in Libya and their conservative government is only going to continue that going forward.

    4. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I live in one of those "other countries". As far as I'm concerned, we don't need any of your "defence spending", so feel free to cut it as much as you want. I'm pretty sure a few billion people agree with me.

      The only thing your "defence spending" is defending is the big pockets of the military-industrial complex.

    5. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We only told Bush to go to hell when they wanted us to help invade Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. When the US and the UN asked us to go to Afghanistan we agreed.

      However note, our current conservative government wanted to go to Iraq also but didn't have power then.

      As to the whole "Death to Canada" thing, I would like to think it is because we are nice people, but more than likely we are just insignificant compared to the US in world influance. :(

    6. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by DarthVain · · Score: 2

      However also I believe we are in general a more multicultural and secular people (I could just be making this up, no citations). So its not a big Jesus VS Mohammad kind of thing. Of course I doubt radicals make much distinction between one type of "unbeliever" and another...

    7. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What exactly is the value of having allies with a tiny fraction of our military capability?

      Because not all conflict needs to be resolved militarily?

    8. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by Vanderhoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hate to say it, but most of the money Canada does spend on defense is mainly to keep the US from starting conflicts here. My Dad is retired Navy and has always told me most of our ships are required to keep the American's out of our arctic territories. I do believe the Americans are the biggest threat to Canada, as the state of the world currently stands. Of course there's always another bully waiting to take the current ones place.

    9. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if you think the mosquitoes are bad now. wait until the entire country is a pestilential swamp. You'll be begging for snow.

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    10. Re:Make fun of them all you want. by jheath314 · · Score: 2

      Maybe not France, they can give up for a very low cost in defense spending.

      Number of US soldiers killed before the courageous Americans cut and run from Vietnam: 47,000

      Number of French soldiers killed before the army mutinied in WWI (refusing to engage in pointless offensives, fighting only to maintain defense): 978,000

      Talk all you like about French cowardice, my dear armchair General, but when the going gets tough it is the Americans who get going... straight for the exits.

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  2. Risk mitigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    TO ALL EMPLOYEES:

    Effective immediately, all documents must be at least 1.46 MB in size.

    - The mgmt

    P.S. Nobody even THINK about installing PKZIP, k?

  3. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    Spying on Sarah Palin's house.

  4. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Canada and the US have several joint RADAR installations in the arctic.

  5. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Antipater · · Score: 5, Informative
    In World War I, a war where battles would often be counted as a loss by both sides, the Canadians never lost a battle. By the end of the war, the Germans had a network of spies dedicated to finding out what part of the line the Canadians were being sent to, because that was where the next attack would come from.

    In World War II, the influx of volunteer Canadian pilots kept the RAF from being attritted into nothingness during the Battle of Britain. On D-Day, the Canadians at Juno Beach faced stiffer resistance than any other beachhead except Omaha - by day's end they had penetrated deeper into France than any of the other four beachheads. Later, it was the Canadians who drove the German Fifteenth Army, at that time the last fully cohesive German unit in the region, off their superbly-fortified position overlooking (and denying naval access to) the port of Antwerp, which the Allies desperately needed for supplies and which the British had failed to open.

    You can joke all you want, but you seriously don't want to fuck with the Canadian military (and no, I'm not Canadian).

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  6. False flag? by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me or does the author not know what false flag means?

    1. Re:False flag? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Is it just me or does the author not know what false flag means?

      Its a semaphore code?

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  7. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well put, Antipater. Nice to see someone who studies real history, not just the US classroom version!

    Although, you could have mentioned how we kicked Yankee arse in 1812.....

  8. Re:So... by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet has definitely changed the espionage game. If you think about it, the entire premise of Star Wars falls apart completely in an internet society. The movie starts out with Vader trying to recover the plans for the Death Star which are stored on R2D2, and then the entire middle of the movie involves trying to physically transport R2 to the Rebels to allow them to stage an attack. If the Empire had internet, then the rebel spies would have just uploaded the plans for the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance, and you'd skip straight to the final scene of the movie.

  9. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dear Canadian Fan.

    Have you ever heard of the Dieppe Raid?

    Sincerely,

    A Canadian

  10. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He had access to Stone Ghost: "It's a computer system that links the five eyes. The five eyes are the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. All their information is shared on the Stone Ghost computer." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/10/ns-delisle-spy-hearing.html) So it's not just Canadian secrets.

  11. $3000 a month? by SilverJets · · Score: 2

    This piece of shit sold out my country for a lousy $3000 a month?

    1. Re:$3000 a month? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Meh, and your government probably paid people in other countries to do the same. Not a big deal really....everybody is doing it, then pretending to be surprized when it happens to them. Piece of shit? Only if people within the government work with equivalent shitbags elsewhere.

      Frankly, I don't care too much when people do the same to "my country". Damned government doesn't have our interests at heart anyway, why should I care what happens to them and their secrets? Not my problem.

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  12. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by mister_playboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Although, you could have mentioned how we kicked Yankee arse in 1812.....

    Canada wasn't a country until 1867.

    We'll liberate you yet, don't worry. Most of you have placed yourself in easy reach along the border already... :)

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  13. Re:So... by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The AutoCAD file for the Death Star must have been humongous. Transmiting a file that large would have exceeded their data caps.

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  14. Re:So... by hack++slash · · Score: 2

    They could have modulated the death star ray to transmit data.

    Perhaps they did and some idiot turned up the gain when transmitting a threat to Alderaan...

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  15. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think the Polish and New Zealander's would like to discuss who "kept the RAF from being attritted into nothingness". And I'm pretty sure the British would not consider having around 1900 of their 2350 pilots left at the end of the Battle of Britain as being "attritted into nothingness".

    I don't see how triumphant and selective reporting of war time events is any better coming from Canadians than it is from Americans.

  16. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by OAB_X · · Score: 2

    And that could possibly be only because Broc died. He had supported Tecumseh in his bid for 'nationhood', but got himself killed in a battle. His superiors were not as grateful to the native leader as the guy who was fighting alongside them was. However, what would one generals belief do in London? It's unclear.

  17. Re:So... by PhotoJim · · Score: 2

    Until there are 50-cent, rewritable at will and without hassle, flat storage media, floppy disks still have some utility. Obviously the utility is declining because of their limited capacity, but I still use 'em. I throw adequate-res photos of clients' property into their insurance files. Way faster and easier than burning an optical disc.

    USB flash drives are just as convenient, but they're still too pricey for some applications. If you could buy tens-of-megabyte thin, flat flash drives for tens of cents each, I'd buy a case of them.

  18. Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We'll liberate you yet, don't worry. Most of you have placed yourself in easy reach along the border already... :)

    Are you really so naive?? 95+% of our 35m people (err, shock troopers hardened in the north working as jumberjacks and hunting bears with knives to survive or skinning beaver tails) is within 100km of the border. When an order is given, these troops will sweep down to the Gulf, only pausing for a minute to burn the whitehouse twice.

    Easy access goes both ways, eh? :) No wander US gov't is freaking out and spending billions on the northern border.

    CAPTCHA: decimate

  19. Re:So... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Informative

    No.

    I work with point clouds for scanning military vessels. That's what the data on the screen in Star Wars shows, point clouds.

    Each compartment IRL is a couple of GB of data. The Death star, assuming 1000 compartments, would require several Terabytes of point cloud information in order for it to be useful to the Alliance. We have trouble moving individual compartments around our 1000 Network and it's just easier to move stuff around on portable hard drives.

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  20. Their IT director should be slapped by enlefo · · Score: 2

    Gross negligence on behalf of the tech staff. Disabling ports and drives is basic level security stuff.