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Experts Warn About Security Flaws In Airline Boarding Passes

concealment writes in with a story about a newly found security issue with the bar codes on boarding passes. "Flight enthusiasts, however, recently discovered that the bar codes printed on all boarding passes — which travelers can obtain up to 24 hours before arriving at the airport — contain information on which security screening a passenger is set to receive. Details about the vulnerability spread after John Butler, an aviation blogger, drew attention to it in a post late last week. Butler said he had discovered that information stored within the bar codes of boarding passes is unencrypted, and so can be read in advance by technically minded travelers. Simply by using a smartphone or similar device to check the bar code, travelers could determine whether they would pass through full security screening, or the expedited process."

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  1. Same security for all by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone seen a case where a passenger is waved through security? Each time I go through, everyone in line for screening goes through the same process (then again, I am completely average and might not have seen advanced/reduced security for anyone except pilots).

    1. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I entered Australia as a U.S. citizen studying abroad I was waved through security. I'm still not sure why, but I don't think it had anything do with my boarding pass showing me as definitely not a terrorist.

    2. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Possibly because we don't (yet!) have the same level of Security Theatre as our US counterparts?

    3. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most countries don't check entering the country other than customs. I suspect the TSA does it for more funding. It is a department with the largest scope creep I have ever seen.

    4. Re:Same security for all by GumphMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Once you pass passport checks the 'security' on entering Australia is to do with biological security. A US national entering from a US flight is low risk for carrying biological hazards like viable seeds, eggs, infested timber products etc. Had you entered on a flight you joined in Africa or Asia, or been a Chinese national (think suitcase full of traditional remedies), they would likely have X-rayed everything for biological matter. We have stiff penalties for failing to declare prohibited biological items.

      Security on leaving Australia bound for the US is largely dictated by US policy.

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    5. Re:Same security for all by ryanov · · Score: 2

      You've not received the SSSS security scan (I've gotten it twice). Forget the barcode, it's written on your boarding pass!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_Security_Screening_Selection

    6. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't fly very often then or at least not a times that business travelers frequent the airport. I routinely get waved on into the don't take anything off or out line where I walk through a metal detector and they barely seem to glance at the xray monitors. I love it of course but I know this just keeps me and other frequent travellers from complaining so the TSA can say look our numbers are getting better... Why can't everyone go through the happy line? Seriously it's pre 9/11 great (well no pocket knives anymore :/) time from id check to in the airport is around 30s (my last time through LAX no joke)

    7. Re:Same security for all by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Once you pass passport checks the 'security' on entering Australia is to do with biological security. A US national entering from a US flight is low risk for carrying biological hazards like viable seeds, eggs, infested timber products etc. Had you entered on a flight you joined in Africa or Asia, or been a Chinese national (think suitcase full of traditional remedies), they would likely have X-rayed everything for biological matter. We have stiff penalties for failing to declare prohibited biological items.

      We even have a TV show about customs and the crap people try to smuggle in. At least I think it's ours... I see ads for it all the time but have never actually watched it. It could be like the Highway Patrol show that comes from NZ.

    8. Re:Same security for all by psiclops · · Score: 3

      i got that when i came back from the U.S.

      i figured it was due to the fact that i had previously travelled to saudi arabia

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    9. Re:Same security for all by thempstead · · Score: 2

      The Australian programme I believe is Nothing to Declare. There is also a NZ equivalent called Passport Patrol.

      One of the lesser digital channels in the UK broadcasts both shows (normally multiple times a day)

    10. Re:Same security for all by jamesh · · Score: 2

      The Australian programme I believe is Nothing to Declare. There is also a NZ equivalent called Passport Patrol.

      One of the lesser digital channels in the UK broadcasts both shows (normally multiple times a day)

      The NZ one is Border Patrol. Not sure why they rename it Passport Patrol for the UK audience...

    11. Re:Same security for all by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is a department with the largest scope creep I have ever seen.

      You mean aside from the CIA, NSA, IRS, DOD, FBI, the executive branch of the government, the entire government itself? It's pretty hard to quantify 'scope creep' when everybody is guilty.

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    12. Re:Same security for all by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      When I entered Australia as a U.S. citizen studying abroad I was waved through security. I'm still not sure why, but I don't think it had anything do with my boarding pass showing me as definitely not a terrorist.

      You mean you were treated like a human being? In the rest of the world that's what we call "normal".

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    13. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DOD hasn't really changed scope much: it has always been about turning things into broken things: people, materiel, enemy cities, product designs, foreign countries, etc.

      IRS, too, has always been about making sure that the treasury gets as much of their money out of you as possible, and not taking too much from the right people. That's pretty much what treasuries the world over do: their job is to accumulate money, not to spend it or leave it in the pockets of irresponsible amateurs.

    14. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean aside from the CIA, NSA, IRS, DOD, FBI, the executive branch of the government, the entire government itself?

      Oh, no no, assuming scope creep is computed as "total size/useful size", TSA can leave everyone in the dust. With CIA/NSA/IRS/DOD/FBI, there is some fraction (we can argue how big) that provides useful service. With TSA there is no such thing.

      To my knowledge, TSA hasn't actually caught any terrorists in 11 years of its existence. Every time some other organization (or fellow passengers) apprehend a terrorist wanna be (rare, but it happens), TSA expands it's funding. So by my definition "total size/useful size", TSA scope creep is a glorious infinity.

    15. Re:Same security for all by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is a department with the largest scope creep I have ever seen.

      You mean aside from the CIA, NSA, IRS, DOD, FBI, the executive branch of the government, the entire government itself? It's pretty hard to quantify 'scope creep' when everybody is guilty.

      You misunderstand. Sure, all those agencies have creeps at the scope; but the TSA has the biggest creeps.

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    16. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alas, US security and customs are not allowed to discriminate based on many things, including national origin. It's why we scrutinize grannies in walkers and 5 year olds as closely as we do single Arab males in their mid-20s. I have seen TSA get smart about it and move customs clearance to the departure airport in other countries. e.g. When flying out of Vancouver for the U.S., you clear U.S. customs in Vancouver. The U.S. Constitutional protections against discrimination only apply on U.S. soil.

      Posting anonymously because I don't want to be lynched by the political correctness police.

    17. Re:Same security for all by neile · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly "waved through security". If the airport has PreCheck (not all do) and you are at the PreCheck checkpoint (not all checkpoints are configured for it) then you'd be able to see it in action.

      If you qualify for PreCheck for that flight when you get to security you don't have to take your laptop or liquids out of your bag, don't have to take your shoes, belt, or jacket, off, and walk through a metal detector not the porno scanner.Last time I went through security (at Denver International Airport) it took me 30 seconds from the time my boarding card was scanned to the time I was walking out the other end of the checkpoint with my stuff.

      Neil

    18. Re:Same security for all by neurovish · · Score: 1

      This was the first thing that came to mind. You don't need to go reading barcodes. Getting one of those tickets is like finding a dead and cooked in a box of cereal that you've already mostly eaten.

    19. Re:Same security for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a joke, Joyce. Requires modding funny.

    20. Re:Same security for all by Mike_Theory · · Score: 1

      I've been waved straight onto planes without even having my baggage scanned before... a few times.

      good thing i don't want to blow up a plane >,>

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    21. Re:Same security for all by houghi · · Score: 1

      If I would be a smuggler, I would know this and instead of leaving with all the people from my flight from a dangerous destination, I would sit it out and walk with the groups of people from a safer destination.

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    22. Re:Same security for all by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Getting one of those tickets is like finding a dead and cooked in a box of cereal that you've already mostly eaten.

      I think we need a in that sentence.

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    23. Re:Same security for all by torkus · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I paid for pre check (well global entry which gets you precheck) and it is 100% worthwhile at airports that have it.

      This article is fluff and little else. It ONLY applies to the tiny portion of people in precheck which requires a full background check and in-person interview. That's more likely to weed out a terroist than a random selection for security.

      I broke down and RTFA - i love the quote about how "randomness is necessary for security" NO. IT. IS. NOT. If 50% of people get porno-scanned and 1% get raped...erm...SSSS i mean ... you still miss 49%. Yes, it's *harder* to knowingly bypass security but it is FAR from impossible. It all comes back to security theatre. Another wonderful quote 'it's about seen and unseen security measures' ... yeah. Let's talk up the spooky mystery. Sounds like halloween. You know what works pretty well for security? Trained guards with M16s who pay attention instead of those idiots TSA had making "casual conversation" with people waiting on security lines. I watched that once, It was retarded. Some guy went along asking all the kids where they were going, why, and other stupid nonsense. Even going so far as to disturb people minding their own business listening to music, using their phones, or having a conversation.

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    24. Re:Same security for all by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      Immigration staff know which flight your passport came in on (hint: they don't trust you) and they mark your immigration card for quarantine staff accordingly. Loiter too long after a flight arrives and you will raise suspicion, and not just for an undeclared chocolate bar. Quarantine staff also get to see which carousel your baggage is sitting, unattended on. Quarantine dogs don't care about you but they will find the fruit in your bag. There are no blanket rules... people are checked at random all the time and those displaying suspicious behaviour or signs of stress invite inspection. Border staff are not as stupid as the common meme in this place would have you believe.

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    25. Re:Same security for all by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      You mean you were treated like a human being? In the rest of the world that's what we call "normal".

      You do know the rest of the world treats anyone getting on a plane as a criminal. It isn't just the US.

  2. Photoshop? by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How possible would it be to do very subtle Photoshop (or the GIMP) changes to ensure someone goes through the expedited process? Heck, terrorism aside, I'D do it just to avoid the cancer machines.

    1. Re:Photoshop? by DecimalMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably not a good idea. From TFA: "it is illegal to tamper with a boarding card under U.S. law."

    2. Re:Photoshop? by Swampash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Printing an entirely new one with your own bar code doesn't tamper with the existing card at all.

    3. Re:Photoshop? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably not a good idea. From TFA: "it is illegal to tamper with a boarding card under U.S. law."

      As already pointed out, if you are a terrorist cell, you don't need to alter the boarding passes, just buy enough and see which ones have the minimum screening. Heck, the people selected for maximum screening could make the proccess longer (carry some items that are not allowed but are common and largely innocuous, such as scissors, bottles of water, etc..), thus reducing the likelyhood of the minimum screening catching anyone because of the distraction.

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    4. Re:Photoshop? by PerformanceDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, if you are a terrorist cell, you are probably not terribly concerned about U.S. law...

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    5. Re:Photoshop? by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I'm almost certain you're already receiving the minimum scan. There are higher levels that you can and probably have not yet gotten.

    6. Re:Photoshop? by kasperd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, if you are a terrorist cell, you are probably not terribly concerned about U.S. law...

      And from that you get a corollary saying that anybody who isn't terribly concerned about U.S. law is a terrorist. Of course deriving a corollary that way isn't logically sound, but the people who make up corollaries of the form "anybody who ... is a terrorist" aren't terribly concerned about logic.

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    7. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printing an entirely new one with your own bar code doesn't tamper with the existing card at all.

      I'm fairly certain that forging your boarding card is at least as serious of a violation, if not more.

    8. Re:Photoshop? by Firehed · · Score: 2

      True, but I'm pretty sure they don't have any sort of HMAC-type mechanism ensuring they're untampered-with. i.e., unless you put something in there that causes their machines to get cranky, your chances of being caught is nearly zero.

      Hacking into banks is also illegal, but that doesn't stop determined individuals from trying.

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    9. Re:Photoshop? by zazzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not tampering, it's forgery. How much of a tech/nerd guy do you have to be to NOT immediately see this?

    10. Re:Photoshop? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I usually print my own boarding pass these days. Check-in online and print a web page with barcode image on it. Altering that barcode before printing would be trivial.

      Fortunately I don't really need to because last time I travelled it appeared that the nude scanners and shoe removal queue had all gone and just the metal detector was left.

      You can still get cheap thrills by putting on a metal belt buckle if you are into that sort of thing. I noticed that a lot of guys wait until they can see how is doing the checks, and if she looks hot they keep their belt on, otherwise it comes off and goes in the tray.

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    11. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      very strict security steps!

    12. Re:Photoshop? by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      You don't personally show up for hacking, and your real name isn't splattered all over the relevant systems.

    13. Re:Photoshop? by gutnor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is the scary thing about all that. There is no real screening on site or behaviour analysis, or you know, normal police work. No the level of scrutiny you get is dictated in advance by some random algorithm and independent of what you do there.

      Security theater indeed !

    14. Re:Photoshop? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the level of scrutiny you get is dictated in advance by some random algorithm and independent of what you do there.

      Which is actually the safest method, short of checking 100% of passengers. It's easy to game any system that predictably targets specific groups, you just makes sure your agents aren't in those groups and you're safe. If the chances of being searched are random, you can't reduce the risk of getting caught.

      Of course, you'd ideally also want to have some smart guys to do additional searches based on observation. But they seem in short supply.

      The real security theatre is the immense effort devoted to imaginary threats, liquids and shoes, for instance, which were never a real threat to begin with.

    15. Re:Photoshop? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Since 11 Sept, all people caught trying to set off bombs on board planes, boarded those planes outside the US. So they didn't have much to do with US security regulations ('law' is the wrong word for this, GP most likely mean 'regulations' or so).

    16. Re:Photoshop? by TimmyRt · · Score: 1

      Of course, everyone who doesn't make up corollaries that way are crazy about logic.

    17. Re:Photoshop? by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Since 11 Sept, all people caught trying to set off bombs on board planes, boarded those planes outside the US. So they didn't have much to do with US security regulations

      Last time I travelled to the US, I had to go through an extra round of security checks before and after the normal security checks. So it seems the US has succeeded in imposing some version of their regulations on airports in other countries.

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    18. Re:Photoshop? by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      quite possible, as Bruce Schneier explains in detail.

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    19. Re:Photoshop? by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or perhaps to do a good ol' "DROP TABLE flights;"?

    20. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And from that you get a corollary saying that anybody who isn't terribly concerned about U.S. law is a terrorist. Of course deriving a corollary that way isn't logically sound, but the people who make up corollaries of the form "anybody who ... is a terrorist" aren't terribly concerned about logic.

      Anybody who tries to blow up a group of people in order to inflict terror on a larger group of people is a terrorist.

    21. Re:Photoshop? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      In my experience they ask you to hand the pass to a member of staff who scans it. That way if it is the wrong document or obviously forged (e.g. wrong paper) they should hopefully see it. Of course they only glance at it so even a fairly poor forgery would probably pass.

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    22. Re:Photoshop? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Printing an entirely new one with your own bar code doesn't tamper with the existing card at all.

      Holy crap, you're right! Can't believe that nobody has spotted that loophole! Go ahead and try it - be sure to check back in and let us know how that worked for you.

    23. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't surprise me at all, have you seen any article on this site about piracy? 2/3 of the comments are stealing != piracy.

    24. Re:Photoshop? by Talderas · · Score: 2

      However if it is random and the indicators for a random search can be known, it's still security theater. Get a boarding pass, scan it for the random search indicators. If the boarding pass has them, then the agent just aborts and gets a new boarding pass under a new ID.

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    25. Re:Photoshop? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And no need for a scanner - just print directly to PDF and open in Photoshop or Illustrator or GIMP. Just have to have the software to generate the new barcode. That's the most complicated part. There's really no way to detect a forgery unless that part of the barcode is ignored and looked up from other data in the barcode.

    26. Re:Photoshop? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Aborting might set up a pattern detectable to data-mining, and might start making "has cancelled a flight in the past" be considered as a terrorist risk factor. Perhaps better to get on the flight without the weaponised 500ml Pepsi-Cola bottle (*derisive snort*) and leave it for another day to bring your own refreshments onto the flight....

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    27. Re:Photoshop? by harl · · Score: 1

      That's a nice story. Too bad men pat men and women pat women so it couldn't possibly be true.

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    28. Re:Photoshop? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      There's really no way to detect a forgery ...

      Maybe a cryptographically secure checksum, using a secret nonce?

    29. Re:Photoshop? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Did the article say that every bit was accounted for or not? If every bit's accounted for, then we'd know there's no checksum.

    30. Re:Photoshop? by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Anybody who tries to blow up a group of people in order to inflict terror on a larger group of people is a terrorist.

      Can't argue with that. I think that statement pretty much follows from the definition of the word terrorist. (Of course you don't have to search for a long time to find people who disagree on what the definition is.)

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    31. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong paper? What? You print those on your own printer. I'd hope you use the right paper for the printer, right? Because that's all there's to it. Printing boarding cards costs airlines time and money. It's better that the customers did it. And they do. These days, at least in the U.S., you can print your own boarding card by checking in electronically 24 hours prior to the flight. That's all there's to it. Boarding cards printer on special paper stock are on the way out, and rightly so IMHO.

    32. Re:Photoshop? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Which is correct. It doesn't make either act right, but it is correct, in a big way. The assumption is that when something is stolen from you, you will replace it at some point; therefore, there are further costs involved in being a victim of theft (stealing) that do not apply to copyright infringement (piracy). If I make a copy of a CD, does anyone replace any missing inventory? No? Then it's not stealing. Pretty simple, really.

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    33. Re:Photoshop? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Except GP didn't actually say target groups, it said target "behavior" and doing "actual police work", which is the right way to do it. It's also the most expensive and time consuming way to do it, which is why it isn't done. And the fact that this isn't actually about making it safer to fly, but that's a whole other argument.

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    34. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but who pats Pat?

    35. Re:Photoshop? by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      "getting caught"
      one a billion chance, given TSA's record to date. You are much more likely to have a personal possession stolen from your luggage or cash from your wallet in the tray or lose a testicle when they squeeze too hard in their excitement.

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    36. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "just to avoid the cancer machines."
      It's even easier to avoid the machines, simply politely opt out. I am 30K+ miles/year flier, and have NEVER been through those machines. Be polite and firm, and there won't be hassles.

    37. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the terrorists can get a job at the mcdonald's at one of the airports that allows "approved" folks (like the new hire burger servers) to avoid all TSA and simply go through a turnstile. Anyone flying through DEN should look around. Just past the security screen on the south side, before going down escalator, look to the right. All sorts of "approved" burger servers walking through the turnstile with their backpacks.

    38. Re:Photoshop? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      However if it is random and the indicators for a random search can be known

      Well, of course if you know beforehand you're going to be checked, that isn't random at all. Truly random searches would be double blind, no one can predict who will be chosen until they get to the gate. All anyone would know was you had a 10 or 20 or whatever chance of being searched.

    39. Re:Photoshop? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      Except GP didn't actually say target groups, it said target "behavior" and doing "actual police work", which is the right way to do it

      Not if it's instead of random searches, rather than as well as. Suicide bombers can be easily found with lily white records and no one knows their beloved uncle and his family were killed by a Predator attack as while tending his goats. Once you start whitelisting people you might as well not bother searching anyone.

    40. Re:Photoshop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lesson from 911, that no one wants to learn, is that sometimes the passenger need to be armed.

  3. So now we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yup, sounds like proof that certain people will get discriminated against if their info keeps coming up 'heavy screening'

  4. The truth... by CimmerianX · · Score: 2

    This will be buried.... people will forget... and the TSA security theater will continue or even get stepped up to counter this little mishap.

    1. Re:The truth... by lightknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Tis a jobs program, and nothing more. Even the congressmen who are against the idea of the TSA are busy spinning it as providing jobs to their constituents.

      Which is funny on so many levels. We all know that the TSA was built on a lie, we all know that it is worthless, we all know that it is bleeding the taxpayers dry, and we all know that we'd be better off without it. And yet, they're going to keep it, because jobs. Jobs which provide no net income, jobs which cost three times more than they are worth, jobs with glass ceilings built in, jobs which do not help America to grow anywhere but the waistline, and yet, they are so desperate to protect them. The money they are earning in kickbacks must be tremendous.

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    2. Re:The truth... by mynamestolen · · Score: 1

      I guess you meant "Security Theatre". Recently a rude TSA guy in USA ordered me go through the screen again - this time with my hands out of my pockets where he could see them. I asked him why and he said I could hide things in my hands (he did a scrunched up hand gesture to show me). Wow he was dumb - now I can tell the world how to fool the machine - just scrunch up those bits of metal in your hands.

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    3. Re:The truth... by spatley · · Score: 1

      amen brother

    4. Re:The truth... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I think that America has a fundamental learning issue, which leads to these kinds of flaws. They can't even get a three letter acronym right. Unless they are taking a leaf out of the French book, by calling it Theatre Security America.

    5. Re:The truth... by dkf · · Score: 1

      'Tis a jobs program, and nothing more. Even the congressmen who are against the idea of the TSA are busy spinning it as providing jobs to their constituents.

      You could privatize the vast majority of the TSA without any ill-effects, keeping just a small rump whose job would be to test whether the privatized parts are still doing their security checks correctly. This is pretty much how airport security is handled in most of Europe; the security staff are employed by the airport (or, more usually, a specialist contractor) and there's just central validation that the checks being performed are adequate with respect to the threat.

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    6. Re:The truth... by OrigamiMarie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jobs which slow the economy by discouraging pleasure travel (and all of the nice tourist spending) and business travel (and the kinds of business deals and chance new acqaintances you only get in person). Travel is incredibly important to our economy, it is part of what makes a large country so strong. When people opt out of it, the ripple effects are amazing.

    7. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Tis a jobs program, and nothing more. Even the congressmen who are against the idea of the TSA are busy spinning it as providing jobs to their constituents. ... The money they are earning in kickbacks must be tremendous.

      It is hardly much of a jobs program - the TSA screeners probably earn minimum wage or so

      Money shoveling to contractors, on the other hand... Each of these machines costs like $250,000! There is no penalty when they are shown to not detect shit (as had been demonstrated), so I am surprised they do not just ship empty cardboard boxes instead. And once there are any doubts as to their safety, they are moved to smaller airports or retired and new generation machines are bought!

      When the military is wasting lots of money on a new plane, at least they typically shovel more money to try and fix it. Here, they just dump the old design and try something new. WTF?

    8. Re:The truth... by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      There is only one thing that is responsible for declining pleasure travel, and that is the condition of peoples' personal economy. The complaints are coming from an insignificant minority. All things considered, business is pretty good.

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    9. Re:The truth... by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Besides that it's election time, you guys have high employment already so it's political suicide for either party to say "hey you couple hundred thousand (or however many work in TSA) low-educated workers, please go find another job as we're shutting you down".

    10. Re:The truth... by squiggleslash · · Score: 0

      We could retrain these guys and up their salaries at the same time to be Air Marshalls. That way, everyone wins, except for idiot Tea Partiers who'll find they're suddenly in favor of random government gropings if it means 0.001% lower taxes.

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    11. Re:The truth... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      'Tis a jobs program, and nothing more. Even the congressmen who are against the idea of the TSA are busy spinning it as providing jobs to their constituents.

      It would be better to train those people in construction or trades, but I keep remembering that large swaths of the population have this thing against hard manual and physical labor.

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    12. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on how it is implemented: if it is still treated as a jobs programme, all you'll do is add shareholder dividends and higher management salaries to the cost.

    13. Re:The truth... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Are there that many vacancies for air marshalls?

    14. Re:The truth... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Informative

      we all know that it is bleeding the taxpayers dry

      All your arguments except that one are valid. Some math will tell you why.
      TSA budget: $8.1 billion
      US federal budget: $3.7 trillion

      So the TSA makes up approximately 0.2% of the federal budget. You could cut it to $0 and still make no significant dent in the deficit. The big ticket items are, and have been for decades: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense. After the crash in 2008, unemployment insurance, food stamps, WIC, and housing assistance jumped up because more people are unemployed, hungry, or homeless. But the TSA just isn't even remotely close to what's bleeding the taxpayers dry.

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    15. Re:The truth... by Fnord666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      We could retrain these guys and up their salaries at the same time to be Air Marshalls.

      Seriously? These are people that couldn't qualify for a position as a security guard at the local mall and you want to arm them and put them on a pressurized airplane? No thank you.

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    16. Re:The truth... by khr · · Score: 1

      Besides that it's election time.

      When is it not election time anymore?

    17. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Tis a jobs program, and nothing more. Even the congressmen who are against the idea of the TSA are busy spinning it as providing jobs to their constituents.

      It would be better to train those people in construction or trades, but I keep remembering that large swaths of the population have this thing against hard manual and physical labor.

      It's not so much that as there haven't been a whole lot of new construction jobs around lately, blamed of course on the economy. Most businesses around here are just doing fast renovations, and 'renos' take skills you're not going to find in the average TSA grunt. If they had skills, they wouldn't be working for TSA in the first place.

    18. Re:The truth... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Supposedly the TSA exists in large part because we don't have enough Air Marshalls to cover enough flights. After 9/11, the idea that every flight should have at least one Air Marshall was floated, and then repeatedly rejected as impractical. So I assume it's possible.

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    19. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normal people love the TSA and will get all emotional on you if you try to tell them it is worthless. They will say "I don't want to be blown up by a terrorist!" and then load their snotty kids into some behemoth SUV and drive away.

    20. Re:The truth... by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      If the tsa is nothing then they could just give their budget to me as it is not needed. Everyone wins.

    21. Re:The truth... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 2

      Wrong. I know of at least 10 people personally who have stopped traveling for pleasure because of the TSA. They do "stay cations" (I hate that f'in word) now. If I know this many people (who used to fly as families of 3-5 people at least once every year) then there are a whole lot more who've also chosen this option.

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    22. Re:The truth... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      My cousin's sister-in-law's grandmother's neighbor at the DMV says otherwise

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    23. Re:The truth... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that's good to read. Does it differentiate between foreign tourists traveling within the US and domestic tourism? I didn't see anything in the article except the insinuation that it's in part due to the Obama administration making efforts to "speed up the visa process", which would imply that they're including foreign tourists as a significant chunk of that dollar figure.

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    24. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plural of anecdote is not data.

    25. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the typical TSA employee? They're so wide that all they have to do is stand in front of the cockpit door. Nobody and nothing is going to get past them.

      No bullets required.

    26. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could get desk jobs with the SEC and practice the "hard manual and physical labor." SEC prOn surfers.

    27. Re:The truth... by Guppy · · Score: 1

      So the TSA makes up approximately 0.2% of the federal budget.

      By comparison, NASA constitutes something like 0.4 - 0.5% of the budget.

      Why would I make that comparison? Well, because it makes for a reference point in comprehending how big a tenth-percent of a federal budget is, and what sort of things you could do with that much money.

    28. Re:The truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably due to a weaker US dollar, making it cheaper for international tourists!

    29. Re:The truth... by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      I'm an Australian, and since the Australian dollar is pretty good against the US one now, it would be a good time to go there for a holiday. But I refuse to allow myself to sexually abused or get hit with an unknown and possibly unsafe dose of ionising radiation, so instead I holiday elsewhere.

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    30. Re:The truth... by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      I think we all agree that $8.1 billion is a very large pile of cash. My point is that it's actually tiny compared to the ridiculously gigantic piles of cash used by the federal government for other purposes, and if you think that federal spending is bleeding the taxpayers dry you really should go after the ridiculously gigantic piles rather than the mere very large piles of cash.

      Another way of looking at it: If you took all the funding for the US military, and put it towards space flight, you could fund approximately 45 NASAs. In it's glory years of the Apollo program, NASA got only twice as much as it does now, which should give you an idea of how much we skimp on real human progress to fund missile defense systems that don't work and military toys that the generals haven't even asked for.

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  5. What is wrong with that? by hundredrabh · · Score: 2

    What flaw are we talking about?
    Obviously it is a feature for "technically minded travelers". Ist'n it?

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    1. Re:What is wrong with that? by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When people have tried to walk away from the airport upon discovering, they were selected for the extra microwaving (or groping), they were told, they can no longer leave and must go through the screening. The reason was given, that doing otherwise would allow terrorists to attempt to travel, but back away if they find themselves selected for more rigorous checks.

      Well, if the level of checking is printed right there on one's boarding pass, the terrorists don't have to reveal themselves. When they find out -- ahead of time -- that they were picked for extra attention, they can simply leave all the bombs at home, fly away and back, and then try again until they draw a "lucky" boarding pass.

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    2. Re:What is wrong with that? by zill · · Score: 2

      I believe GP was being sarcastic. I believe he was referencing the fact that terrorists are usually technically inclined.

    3. Re:What is wrong with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What flaw are we talking about?
      Obviously it is a feature for "technically minded travelers". Ist'n it?

      I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but you're actually correct. If you've been flagged, it's also got SSSS printed in big bold letters, for the not so-technically minded people. With that in mind, I really don't see how it's any big deal that it's also encoded on the barcode.

  6. Profiling by phorm · · Score: 2

    Indeed. It's pretty hard to say "random search" if the guy's badge code has a special section selecting him for "extra screening"

    This sounds more like a special code that exempts people from a full search, but I wonder what other codes there might be.

    1. Re:Profiling by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. It's pretty hard to say "random search" if the guy's badge code has a special section selecting him for "extra screening"

      It could be determined randomly before people are able to print their boarding passes.

      In fact that would probably be the best way to ensure a random search, since a person at the gate might be influenced by your appearance.

      Plus, if you have legitimate reason to believe someone is higher than average risk, you could just specify what's needed on the boarding pass, and not have to rely on the staff to spot you based on a picture.

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    2. Re:Profiling by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Ah, for all values of random where random = any flag in a DHS database anywhere.

      Just so thrilled that we have discrimination down to a science.

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    3. Re:Profiling by Aryden · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's pretty hard to say "random search" if the guy's badge code has a special section selecting him for "extra screening"

      It could be determined randomly before people are able to print their boarding passes.

      In fact that would probably be the best way to ensure a random search, since a person at the gate might be influenced by your appearance.

      Plus, if you have legitimate reason to believe someone is higher than average risk, you could just specify what's needed on the boarding pass, and not have to rely on the staff to spot you based on a picture.

      It would be easier to have the system check against a database of persons for nationality / race. You could also have it parse the name for key consonant combinations like "kh", "Abd", "Muh", "Azi" so on and so forth. There are too many ways to reduce the "randomness" factor.

    4. Re:Profiling by PerformanceDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually - for many years when I was traveling in the US, if (and only if) my boarding pass had SSSS printed on it, I would be subjected to extra screening. The SSSS would be printed in large clear letters on the document. I don't know what genius came up with that advance warning, but it sure as hell would tell a wannabe terrorist not to go through with his plan and try again some other time. The people managing these processes really need to think such things through a little bit better.

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    5. Re:Profiling by ryanov · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bingo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_Security_Screening_Selection

      I got into an argument with a customer service representative (and flew standby -- not sure which was responsible) and received this.

    6. Re:Profiling by xenobyte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah, for all values of random where random = any flag in a DHS database anywhere.

      Just so thrilled that we have discrimination down to a science.

      Profiling is awesome. It surpasses all other screening methods in efficiency and effectiveness.

      Not only is it fast (it can be done entirely before the passenger even arrives at the airport), and those not flagged can be sent through with a minimum of screening (all this equals much less waiting), it is also efficient as it would have caught all the 9/11 hijackers as well as the 'shoe bomber' and the 'underwear bomber', while none of the scanners would have caught anything, and even the grope search is likely to have missed almost everything.

      Another backside to the current scanner-fixated system is that it creates some awfully attractive long queues filled with people outside the secure area where even a small nail bomb easily could kill hundreds. If you are going to assemble a lot of people in a confined space at the airport it should be inside the secured areas where they are less of a target.

      And of course there's plenty of other places with lots of people assembled and little or no security - like malls, concerts, amusement parks, train- and bus stations or so on. There's a lot of potential targets so the only efficient means to secure them it to take out any potential terrorists way before they can get near such places or even get their hands on bomb materials and explosives.

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    7. Re:Profiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It could be determined randomly before people are able to print their boarding passes.

      In fact that would probably be the best way to ensure a random search, since a person at the gate might be influenced by your appearance.

      It doesn't make much sense from a security standpoint to roll the random dice in advance, since a terrorist could book a number of flights under different aliases and then miss the flights where he/she is pre-selected for screening.

      I'm not ruling out the authorities actually reasoned the way you're describing, though. "Enhanced security" at airports seems to have very little to do with actual security, and more to do with reassuring the public the situation is under control.

      Plus, if you have legitimate reason to believe someone is higher than average risk, you could just specify what's needed on the boarding pass, and not have to rely on the staff to spot you based on a picture.

      Having the information on the boarding pass itself introduces an even higher security risk. The information doesn't need to be on the boarding pass at all; it could just contain a unique serial number, which is then looked up in a database by the barcode scanner.

    8. Re:Profiling by PerformanceDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmm - funny that. I once got that too after complaining to an American Airlines check-in lady about a checked luggage fee. Qantas passengers are exempt from such fees, as I tried to point out to her, but she wanted to hit me with it anyway. After a long debate and a visit from her supervisor the fee was waived - but - surprise surprise - SSSS appeared on the boarding card. This was on one leg out of 10 flights around the US, so it could not have been on the basis of any kind of passenger profiling. Maybe some slashdotter in the airline industry can enlighten us here...

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    9. Re:Profiling by MLBs · · Score: 2
      I have been told by airline representatives that this marking is random.

      Although I know that mathematically it's possible, the fact that in my last 10 flights I always got this marking makes me believe there is profiling done based on various criteria.

    10. Re:Profiling by excelblue · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Airline employees can manually mark any boarding pass as SSSS.

      How do I know? When it was possible to fly by purposely refusing to present ID, I once flew on a ticket that was paid for by another family member. When I went to check in and check my bags, they asked for ID. I told nicely told them that I prefer not to be identified and will be flying as a selectee. Person at ticket counter gives me a dirty look and responds (expectedly) that the SSSS is required if you don't present ID, but everything flowed smoothly after that. It's a shame that you can't refuse to identify yourself anymore these days.

      After that, I think I was flagged as all my boarding passes for the next couple years had SSSS on it.

    11. Re:Profiling by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      So you'd include my old classmate Bill Burkholder in that group. Good catch.

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    12. Re:Profiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Willing to bet money that it was related to the amount of time it took to process your checkin. Because you argued with them, your checkin took too long compared to others, a risk indicator picked up by the software

    13. Re:Profiling by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      "In fact that would probably be the best way to ensure a random search, since a person at the gate might be influenced by your appearance."

      There are PLENTY of other ways to discriminate without seeing a person's appearance.

    14. Re:Profiling by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      What kind of profiling are we talking about?

      Racial profiling wouldn't have helped: Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) is mostly white, Umar Abdulmutallab (the underwear bomber) is black, and the 9/11 hijackers were Arabic-looking. And the most successful "home-grown" terrorists were white guys: Ted Kazinski and Timothy McVeigh. And if the bad guys figured out that, say, white women over 40 were getting screened less, they'd recruit a white-looking woman over 40 with a name like "Jane Smith".

      Behavioral profiling might conceivably have made a difference, if the behavior we're talking about is "one-way ticket, no baggage", but again a reasonably smart terrorist group would figure out the pattern and plan for it by buying a round-trip ticket instead.

      The good news: The various bad guys that have been caught in the US have gotten what they thought were explosives exclusively from FBI agents. In fact, the FBI agents were so involved in the apparant plots that there's a real question of entrapment. And your chance of being killed by a terrorist are still far far lower than your chance of being killed by a drunk driver.

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    15. Re:Profiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Standby, late ticket buy, having a middle eastern name, having traveled to a muslim country, or, almost never, random.

    16. Re:Profiling by quetwo · · Score: 1

      It used to be that if you had the SSSS printed on your boarding pass, you had to enter the secured area through a different gate. If you waited in line at the wrong checkpoint, the would still make you go to the special one. This was at least happening at ORD and DTW. This all went away when you could get your boarding passes at home -- so pretty much you were limited to knowing your security screening level from the time the gate agent printed your boarding pass to the time you go to the screening area, which was no more than a few minutes.

      I of course was on the special list after I mistakenly subscribed to 2600 with my credit card... Those were some fun times to at an airport 3 times a week :S

    17. Re:Profiling by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another backside to the current scanner-fixated system is that it creates some awfully attractive long queues filled with people outside the secure area where even a small nail bomb easily could kill hundreds. If you are going to assemble a lot of people in a confined space at the airport it should be inside the secured areas where they are less of a target.

      The fact that nothing remotely like this has happened speaks volumes about the threat faced

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    18. Re:Profiling by jittles · · Score: 2

      You can travel without a government issued ID. You cannot refuse to provide a government issued ID if you have one on your person. I've seen people get up to the ID person and indicate they lost their ID and are warned they must go through extra screening, up to and including an interview. I've also seen someone get kicked out of the security line, and told they will not be allowed to board any flights that day, for refusing to show their ID because they did not want to. This was all within the last two years or so.

    19. Re:Profiling by kerrbear · · Score: 1

      The SSSS Eh? Isn't that carrying alliteration a little far?

    20. Re:Profiling by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      The SSSS Eh? Isn't that carrying alliteration a little far?

      Surely

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    21. Re:Profiling by neonKow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Small price to pay for freedom, you commie.

    22. Re:Profiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was under the same situation for years as well with the SSSS tag applied to all my boarding passes. Even worse, any travel companion that booked their flights with me would receive the same tag. If was always fun to pretend to be psychic and tell them ahead of time they were going to get felt up. They people performing the security checks typically don't have barcode scanners, so there must still be some indicator for the check even if it isn't as obvious as "SSSS".

      The funny part is that the security attendant told me I could call up the TSA and ask to have my name removed from their list. Yeah...that sounds like a great idea

    23. Re:Profiling by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Also, he just let shoe bomber Richard Reid through and harassed Paula Abdul for no reason.

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    24. Re:Profiling by Aryden · · Score: 1

      That because Paula is a hottie. I'm not saying that the system is perfect and yes the values would need tweaking but it far more feasible.

    25. Re:Profiling by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Here's the only system of letter sequences that is guaranteed to catch all terrorists (case-insensitive) when run against a list of passengers:
      ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e', 'f', 'g', 'h', 'i', 'j', 'k', 'l', 'm', 'n', 'o', 'p', 'q', 'r', 's', 't', 'u', 'v', 'w', 'x', 'y', 'z']

      That's it. Profiling gets you worse than nothing. Using the Richard Reid example again, how does your system possibly tell that Richard Reid is a terrorist but Harry Reid is not?

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    26. Re:Profiling by Aryden · · Score: 1

      This is an example of racial / ethnic profiling mate. You see it happen in the airports here. I'm not saying it is right in any way, I'm just saying that they CAN do it and it isn't incredibly difficult.

    27. Re:Profiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The closest to this was the Moscow Airport bombing.

    28. Re:Profiling by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      What do my politics have to do with it, fascist running dog?

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  7. Full Security Screening for John Butler by AntiBasic · · Score: 1

    Which one will John Butler will be receiving...

  8. How long till John Butler gets arrested? by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wonder how long till John Butler gets arrested for sharing this info. National security and all that.

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    1. Re:How long till John Butler gets arrested? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how low it takes until the whole trio 'disappears'

    2. Re:How long till John Butler gets arrested? by fatphil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not likely to be long at all. Here's wikipedia's take on Chris Soghoian's tale:

      On October 26, 2006, Soghoian created a website that allowed visitors to generate fake boarding passes for Northwest Airlines. While users could change the boarding document to have any name, flight number or city that they wished, the generator defaulted to creating a document for Osama Bin Laden.

      Soghoian claimed that his motivation for the website was to focus national attention on the ease with which a passenger could evade the no-fly lists.[3] Information describing the security vulnerabilities associated with boarding pass modification had been widely publicized by others before, including Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY)[4][5] and security expert Bruce Schneier.[6] Soghoian received media attention for posting a program on his website to enable the automatic production of modified boarding passes. Democrat Edward Markey, House of Representatives committee (telecommunications and the internet) stated Soghoian should be arrested.[2]

      At 2 AM on October 28, 2006, his home was raided by agents of the FBI to seize computers and other materials.[7] Soghoian's Internet Service Provider voluntarily shut down the website, after it received a letter from the FBI claiming that the site posed a national security threat.[8] The FBI closed the criminal investigation in November 2006 without filing any charges.[9] The TSA also initiated a civil investigation in December 2006,[10][11] which was closed without any charges being filed in June 2007.[12][13]

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  9. Not a security flaw by CanEHdian · · Score: 0

    This is not a security flaw but rather makes for some interesting question re the "random selection" process. But this will probably be yet another "nothing to see here, move along" type revelation.

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    1. Re:Not a security flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be a security flaw depending on how the mode of scanning is assigned. A terrorist who knows they're going to get the full treatment will know to be "late" for their flight and try again another day.

    2. Re:Not a security flaw by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      This is not a security flaw but rather makes for some interesting question re the "random selection" process. But this will probably be yet another "nothing to see here, move along" type revelation.

      Indeed, I don't recall having anyone scan my BP until I go through the gate at boarding time. Unless I'm forgetting it, the TSA preprocessors look at it, and look at your passport through the little lens thingy, but don't use a scanner.

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    3. Re:Not a security flaw by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Do you want me to point out the flaw in that argument, or can you spot it yourself?

      And on a side note, you seem to be one of the few, active named accounts I'm still seeing on /. these days. Where'd everyone go?

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    4. Re:Not a security flaw by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      This type of thinking is much the same that brought us the dangers of your soda bottle or bottle of water and shampoo on the flights.

      A terrorist could just decide not to be a terrorist on that flight and go again.

  10. Re:TSA definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA = Thespians of Security Appearances

  11. Only one way to stop this SP terrism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Smart Phones are too dangerous to be allowed on a plane unless they are kept in a clear 3'' plastic bag, may be that is also bad idea. may be only if there is also water in that plastic bag. Pardon me, but I am not that bright. Hopefully, some one brighter than me at TSA will come with a better "solution".

  12. Re:TSA definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrorist Scam Artists.

  13. Toilet Safety Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had to be said.

  14. Obvious High Risk by dark+grep · · Score: 1

    I don't know about 'hidden codes' - a few years ago I took my family on an around the world trip, traveling west from Australia via Dubai and London. All our US boarding passes were stamped with big red 'SSS' letters, except for my wife, who has a British passport.

    At every security gate my three kids and I got the full treatment of pat-downs and extra screening, even being pulled out of the normal line and taken aside in some cases.

    The reason, I supposed, was because we came to the US from Dubai arriving on the east coast of the US, we clearly posed a 'high risk' in the view of US border protection. My wife, being on a British passport, posed no such risk, coming that way from London.

    The ever alert US border security did prevent my 8yo son bringing a pair of paper scissors into the country.

    1. Re:Obvious High Risk by Que_Ball · · Score: 2

      I was randomly selected for the SSS tag on my boarding pass. It was great. We were in Phoenix and the regular screening line was massive, at least an hour long. The "special" line had about 10 people in it. We zipped right through. Would have needed to skip lunch if we were in the regular line.

      We noticed the letters on the pass too before entering the lines so I guess they have not really cared about this "issue" in the past.

      I think the special screening is more of a quality control measure on the regular screening guys than it's a real boost to security.

    2. Re:Obvious High Risk by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I was randomly selected for the SSS tag on my boarding pass.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_Security_Screening_Selection
      You sure there wasn't a fourth "S" on your ticket?

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    3. Re:Obvious High Risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the special screening is more of a quality control measure on the regular screening guys than it's a real boost to security.

       
      Somehow, I doubt the words 'quality control' have very little to do with TSA. Guess that makes me a terrorist, eh?

    4. Re:Obvious High Risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am untied.com premier member. One of the frequent times I was running late for a flight, the premier check-in counter printed the boarding pass with the Ss. I told the lady I didn't have time for it, and she said "no problem, I'll fix that". She did something on the computer and reprinted the boarding pass without the Ss.

  15. Someone post the details.. Android app anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Writing an Android app to display the unencrypted data would be trivial.

  16. TSA only = US focused by ardiri · · Score: 4, Informative

    this only applies to the TSA who actually scan and pass people around the security scanning solution based on the results of what is in the barcode. in europe, you always have to go through scanning process, regardless of what your 2D barcode has encoded within in. all the TSA is doing here, is opening up a chance for terrorists based on local soil to get through the security scanning process simpler. the challenge is that the USA has the most number of travelers through the airline system than anywhere else in the world; doing extensive security checks does choke the system - so, they need to try and filter out the more frequent/trusted flyers, the net result is they are wasting time screening some since they done screen everyone.

    1. Re:TSA only = US focused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This concerns everyone travelling from the US and everyone travelling to the US! Yes, there are other countries in the world but I can't imagine there are many flights between them.

    2. Re:TSA only = US focused by Uzull · · Score: 1

      In today's times where you need a Visa to enter the US, a lot of people bypass it. In the past it was difficult to fly from let's say South America to the Far East, because everybody had to fly via the US. This is a thing of the past. You can now fly via Dubai or South Africa. You can even do a round the world tour without stepping on US territory a single time, but went through all continents.
      With the Visa requirement, the US tracks foreigners. With TSA, the US tracks it's own citizen...

    3. Re:TSA only = US focused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't quickly find comparable statistics for total passengers in the EU and the US; but given that the busiest US airport has fewer passengers than the 5th busiest EU airport, if the US security checks choke the system then the problem might be with the US security checks rather than with the number of passengers.

  17. You think the barcode is bad... by T-Bucket · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only could you photoshop the barcode, but hell, you could photoshop the name, the destination, the flight number, pretty much anything you wanted... The brainless goons at the security checkpoint wouldn't know the difference. (They don't scan tickets or anything).

    In my experience (working for a contractor for a major US airline), you could even use a photoshopped (printed at home) boarding pass to get on the plane. When they scan it at the gate and the computer beeps saying "no such thing", generally the non-english-speaking gate agent will just scan it a few more times, give up, and let the person on the plane. When the passenger count from the computer later doesn't match up to the number of people on the plane, they'll just "go with what's on the plane" in the interest of getting the plane out on time. This happens on a DAILY BASIS. "Security" is a joke.

    1. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jamesh · · Score: 2

      Not only could you photoshop the barcode, but hell, you could photoshop the name, the destination, the flight number, pretty much anything you wanted... The brainless goons at the security checkpoint wouldn't know the difference. (They don't scan tickets or anything).

      In my experience (working for a contractor for a major US airline), you could even use a photoshopped (printed at home) boarding pass to get on the plane. When they scan it at the gate and the computer beeps saying "no such thing", generally the non-english-speaking gate agent will just scan it a few more times, give up, and let the person on the plane. When the passenger count from the computer later doesn't match up to the number of people on the plane, they'll just "go with what's on the plane" in the interest of getting the plane out on time. This happens on a DAILY BASIS. "Security" is a joke.

      I'm a little dubious about your claims... although it wouldn't be the first time stupidity has exceeded expectations.

      I wonder what will happen with all this security in place when another plane gets hijacked? I guess we'll all have to be put to sleep at boarding time and then shipped to our destination in cocoons. At least we wouldn't have to eat airline food and put up with people kicking our seats then.

    2. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jittles · · Score: 2

      You are unlikely to see another plane get hijacked in your life time. You might see an attempted hi-jack, but I'd be surprised if it went beyond that. Gone are the days when terrorists could be trusted to take you on a joyride to Syria or Africa. People now assume the worst in such a situation and I guarantee you the pilots will not willingly open the cockpit door.

    3. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jwdb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've actually had this happen to me. Connecting flight, they gave me a new boarding pass at the gate (one with a boarding group number), and I neglected to check that it was the right one. The ticket scanner beeped weirdly when I tried to board but the agent waved me on anyway, and only when I found someone else in my seat did I realize that I had been given someone else's boarding pass, and that person had already boarded.

      I believe it was Washington Dulles, westbound.

    4. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      You are unlikely to see another plane get hijacked in your life time. You might see an attempted hi-jack, but I'd be surprised if it went beyond that. Gone are the days when terrorists could be trusted to take you on a joyride to Syria or Africa. People now assume the worst in such a situation and I guarantee you the pilots will not willingly open the cockpit door.

      Nor will the passengers sit down and passively wait it out. I did mean to type "attempted hijack" :)

    5. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by RobertLTux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      its funny how close the "unlock cockpit" and "vent cabin" buttons are on the planes control panel.

      don't forget the most dangerous weapon on an airplane is THE AIRPLANE ITSELF.

      all a pilot would have to do in the worst case is 1 vent the cabin 2 disable the autopilot 3 have a bit of "fun" with aerobatics

      result 1 plane full of folks that have been tossed about like dice in a cup. ("ATC this is flight 34583 request immediate clearance for landing and Medical meet us on the ground." "roger flight 34583 nature and scope of injuries...")

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    6. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jittles · · Score: 1

      Certainly if the cabin were depressurized at altitude, the bad guys would need to get an air mask on pronto or pass out. But a lot of innocent people could be killed. I'm not sure how the legal system would react.

    7. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      a pilot that knew what he was doing (which includes every pilot "type certified" for %aircraft%) could do a lot in the window of Normal Operations to Risk Damage to the Airframe/Passengers. The way it would work is 1 vent the cabin 2 DIVE for lower altitudes 3 have copilot call the nearest ATC for a Emergency Landing Clearance.

      THIS PLANE WILL NOT BE HIJACKED.

      as far as Legal Issues are concerned i would think that the FAA would allow "Reasonable Care in Limiting Damage" as a defense.

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    8. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      I call BS on this one. Yes you can probably get into the gate area of US airports with a faked ticket. Getting on the plane is far less likely. I have yet to see any "non english speaking gate agents" in my 150 flights over the last 6 years either. Nice try, though.

      As for those who "got my boarding pass at the gate" and then the "gate agent waved me through" it's because they gave you the damned ticket, they know there's nothing wrong with it.

      All that said, security at airports IS a joke and doesn't actually provide safety to anyone. As others have mentioned a bomb outside of security would do just as much (or more) harm than putting one on a plane.

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    9. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you described is airline revenue management, not security management.

    10. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by xeno314 · · Score: 1

      IAAL, and I know exactly how the legal system would react. Ever imagine Wall Street bankers rolling in piles of money? Sort of like that...

    11. Re:You think the barcode is bad... by jittles · · Score: 1

      That's what I figure, but you never know. If they started blasting everyone with machine gun fire I suppose the defense could argue that they did that to incapacitate the hijackers and prevent even more killing? Still it seems like a very aggressive approach to a problem that may have better solutions.

  18. Deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did I see this before...

    Ah that's right, this year's underhanded C contest.

  19. BP data by aepervius · · Score: 2

    BP data is not meant to be a security things. If they saved CAPS 2 data on it, well *shrug*. Anyway the rule at check in on how to set whether there will be a screening are known. If I recall correctely the code, if you paid with CC, are business traveler or better, have a return ticket, and a miles and more or similar card, given baggage, you have next to no chance beyond random chance, whether if you paid cash, one way, with carry on, belong to the monkey class (M - Eco) , no FT cards, you are bound to be checked 100% of the time. At least it used to be that way, now the rule might be a bit more elaborate but I doubt it changed. Also it used to be you had anyway a 10-20% chance of being selected anyway at the security point, independentely of what the BP said. IMHO it is a non story.

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    1. Re:BP data by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      I don't see how this even matters. The last time I was at the airport, they didn't even scan the boarding pass at the security check point. There wasn't even any equipment present to scan it! They just had a person verify the name on your ID matched the boarding pass.

    2. Re:BP data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buying last minute tickets gets you SSSS. one of my relatives once became suddenly ill and everyone thought she was going to die so all teh family came to visit. every single one of them was flagged SSSS even though they were return tickets, paid with cc, with luggage. I was chatting with the check-in agent about it and she flat out told me that 'last minute' tickets get you flagged.

    3. Re:BP data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you understand the real purpose of the TSA. They check your ID with the name on the boarding pass to ensure the airlines don't suffer frequent flier mileage fraud. There used to be widespread selling of FF mileage tickets, and airlines didn't like it. No more, thanks to the TSA ID checkers.

  20. Re:TSA definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA = Thugs Standing Around

  21. Oh great by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    The muzzies can find out if the white convert will be waived through security and give him the weapons if he is

  22. The Joys Of Flying by rally2xs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    including the inability to get non-stop flights for most routes, having to pay to park in a lot that is still a 10 minute ride to the terminal, having to arrive 2 hours early to ensure getting thru security on time to board, having small innocuous items in my pockets stolen by TSA, risking having large innocuous items in my bags stolen by TSA, getting severely overcharged for food at airport terminals, getting X-rayed by someone who is not my doctor or dentist, having to do mini-marathons thru airports to make connecting flights, getting my bags lost, etc. etc. have all combined to cause me to decide to drive everywhere I go. Eventually, the Alcan Highway is going to get photographed up the wazoo, by me, 'cuz I'll drive up and ferry back. But the X-rays were the last straw, that shall not stand. I quit. You can find me on I-10 to Tucson next year, I-74 from Indy to La Crosse, I-64 to St. Louis, etc. etc. Until the unconstitutional TSA activity is removed, I will not choose to fly anywhere I can drive, or boat, or travel by train.

    1. Re:The Joys Of Flying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the TSA locks that are on almost every piece of luggage now? The ones that TSA can open. Ie every airport has a key to your luggage. And of course the key has never been copied and given out to others.

      Feel safer?

  23. Only Refers to Pre-Check Participants by Milgrams37 · · Score: 1

    This risky barcode is only impacting passengers who have enrolled in Pre-Check. Pre-Check is an optional program that people can pay to join and try to expedite security screening. When enrolling in the program, background checks are completed which give the security goons some level of comfort that you are not a subversive, anti-American terrorist who's going to try to carry a 4oz bottle of liquid on the plane (http://www.tsa.gov/tsa-pre%E2%9C%93%E2%84%A2).

    For the rest of us (e.g. the majority), our barcodes are used strictly by the airlines to board the plane. We are subjected to the "rigorous", non-barcode, security review of visually checking the printed information on our boarding pass like name, date, flight number, and gate accompanied by a trip through the privacy rights inhibitor machine. So while the barcodes could be modified, as the blogger pointed out, it would only be a potential risk to people who have already had a deeper dive on their background and history.

    IMHO, the bigger risk seems to be the HTML delivery of a boarding pass that is printed at home. With limited HTML knowledge (or a simple web search), someone could modify the data points that security is visually checking prior to printing the boarding pass. Buy a ticket with one name. Pass through security with another.

  24. Excuse me, sir, I'd like you to come with me... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    ..."It's completely random, you're not being singled out..."

    YAH, RIGHT!

    I will stick to ground-based travel. Until they decide to put portable microwave ovens in front of the boarding gates for my CYCLE!

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  25. Here is some cheese by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    • including the inability to get non-stop flights for most routes: "So, the airline industry should have direct flights between all airports, oh well, at least they won't be able to oversell seats anymore, two problems solved with one brilliant solution"
    • having to pay to park in a lot that is still a 10 minute ride to the terminal: "Easily solved by making a 1000th story car park right next to the terminal and just charging a piffling 2000 bucks per hour to pay for it"
    • having small innocuous items in my pockets stolen by TSA: You know the list, empty pockets before travelling
    • risking having large innocuous items in my bags stolen by TSA: You know the list, don't pack things that aren't allowed
    • having to arrive 2 hours early to ensure getting thru security on time to board: If you didn't insist on packing knifes and guns, maybe it wouldn't take two hours to get through security
    • getting severely overcharged for food at airport terminals: Take a sandwhich from home, overpriced food at high traffic locations, what a shocker!!!
    • getting X-rayed by someone who is not my doctor or dentist: Your doctor or dentist doesn't do x-rays they got specialists and nurses for that
    • having to do mini-marathons thru airports to make connecting flights: Well you were the one who wanted your airport to have direct flights to ALL other airports in the world, they have to park those aircraft somewhere, anyway, you could do with the excersice.
    • getting my bags lost: Annoying, never happened to me but is annoying.
    • have all combined to cause me to decide to drive everywhere I go: with alcohol check NOT done by your doctor or dentist, speed checks done with radar, tracking of your license plate, having to park 10 minutes away for that meeting at the airport, overpriced food at rest-stops etc etc

    Airtravel sucks, it is uncomfortable as hell but it gets you fast to distant locations. There are real nuisances and perhaps even illegal activities that we should not want but throw them in a rant list like this and you sound like a fool and make anyone with genuine complaints sound like a fool as well.

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    1. Re:Here is some cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with some of what you said, but rally2xs is probably talking about TSA agents stealing iPads and such from baggage, not necessarily that he or she is packing things that aren't on the approved list.

  26. Opt In by chrismcb · · Score: 1

    Isn't this an opt in system? I would have assumed you would need something other than the ticket, to indicate you are in the prescreening program.
    Isn't this like stamping the ticket "first class" or "mvp flyer?"
    Of course if you did away with the TSA and security screening, this wouldn't be a problem.

    1. Re:Opt In by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a worthwhile opt-in for the would-be terrorist though. Opt-in, find you've been sussed, board without the funny shoe or the lethal combination of a disposable razor and a can of shaving foam.

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    2. Re:Opt In by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Isn't this an opt in system? I would have assumed you would need something other than the ticket, to indicate you are in the prescreening program. Isn't this like stamping the ticket "first class" or "mvp flyer?" Of course if you did away with the TSA and security screening, this wouldn't be a problem.

      While I am not familiar with all the ways to get selected for Pre, one of the most common is via the Global Entry program. For GE; you pay a fee, go through a background check, fingerprinting and interview, and then get approved. You then use a GE machine to bypass the immigration line at US Ports of Entry. It's a big time saver for international travelers, as an added bonus you become a "Trusted Traveler" and can use the id for Pre as well.

      Even in Pre you stuff is still scanned but it's less of a hassle because it stays in the bag; and even better the rest of the people in the line know the drill so you aren't stuck behind the idiot who keeps having to go back through the detector because they have a watch, iPhone, etc that sets it off along with a six pack in their bag.

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  27. NZ? UK? Border? by gwolf · · Score: 1

    Being both island nations with no notion of land borders, the UK name makes some more sense...

  28. Meaning of SSSS? by gwolf · · Score: 1

    What does it mean? "Go through the SS twice"?

    1. Re:Meaning of SSSS? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It means "even the Nazis were only half as thorough as us"....

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    2. Re:Meaning of SSSS? by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I did even post a link you know.

  29. Profiling breeds terrorism by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Profiling is the absolute last thing you need when dealing with terrorists. Profiling leads to discrimination based on social, -racial, religious or other demographics, and it marginalises the group that the terrorists draw their support from.

    If you marginalise them, you risk radicalising them. Popular support for ETA in the Basque country reached its highest when the Frankist regime suppressed the use of Basque language and the expression of Basque culture. Support for the IRA was at its highest when being Irish in London meant being constantly harrassed by the police.

    This is one of the basic tenets of terrorist philosophy: if you can provoke the authorities into suppressing your demographic, you gain popular support. Profiling means the terrorists win.

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  30. Easy fix to luggage theft by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    All you have to do is have proper locks and PROPERLY CHECK A FIREARM.

    as of that moment your luggage is considered a sealed container and can not be legally opened without you being present.
    (please note this does not have to be a working firearm and details may vary with each airline but ...)

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  31. Re:TSA definition by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    TSA = Terrorists Suppressing Americans

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  32. SSSS by phorm · · Score: 1

    Good thing you didn't get marked BCS instead. If I see that one on my ticket, then I'll be really worried.

  33. SSSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was on that list for 10 years. Not fun. From my perspective security screenings got more lax after 9/11 because I was seemingly dropped from that list on my 9/14 flights. I never knew why I was on the list, just that I always got the 4 S's on my boarding pass. Anyway I don't see how this barcode is a problem, it is much better to know ahead of time that you will be delayed by unreasonable searches, then at least you can leave for the airport early. I don't think anyone with a brain thinks these airport "security" screenings have anything to do with security. They exist solely to make stupid kettles feel safe and give pedophiles a place to get their kicks.

  34. Which website is this article talking about? by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    "Using a web site I decoded my boarding pass for my upcoming trip"

    Which website? Just a standard barcode decode?

  35. MOD PARENT UP by businessnerd · · Score: 1

    This only has to do the the PreCheck program. If you sign-up for pre-check you actually don't know when you will be allowed to use the expedited security line. You only find out after you get to the airport and scan your boarding pass before you even get in line for security. My colleagues that have it actually complain that they hardly ever get the go-ahead for expedited security. Even if the odds of getting the go-ahead were better, if there is still a chance you won't get the go-ahead, you can't take advantage of the time savings that the program allows. If I get to the airport 30 minutes before my flight and then get denied expedited security, I'm going to miss my flight. That means you have to get to the airport extra early no matter what. If I do get expedited security, I still end up just sitting in the terminal for the for the same amount of time I would have otherwise spent in line for security. Granted, I could get food/drinks, read, do some work, etc. in the terminal while I couldn't while in line for security.

    Now if I could know in advance whether I get PreCheck or not, then I could take advantage of the time savings more effectively. Get an extra 30 min. of sleep, squeeze an extra meeting in at the end of the day, schedule an earlier flight so I get home and see my family sooner.

    The danger here, though, is if someone can create a counterfeit bar-code. Then those who have not been through the up front screening required of the PreCheck program (and there is a lot of it. I won't do it just for the privacy concerns) can falsify PreCheck qualifications and better hide contraband.

    But you know what, even as a very frequent air traveler, I find the whole PreCheck (at least right now) to be awfully inefficient. Hardly anyone has it and even fewer qualify the day of, so that is one extra x-ray machine with 2-3 extra TSA agents sitting idle, while the rest of the lines are backed up even further. The only way this becomes worthwhile for the airport is if there is enough PreCheck passengers to keep a constant flow of people through the PreCheck line. However, with the Orwellian sign-up process and the fact that you can't rely on whether you will get to use it (see points above), it is really hard to say if it will take-off. They tried doing this several years ago with Clear (run by a private company) but that was a bust (I think there were many additional factors there, though).

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