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China Telco Replaces Cisco Devices Over Security Concerns
hackingbear writes "China Unicom, the country's second largest telecom operator, has replaced Cisco Systems routers in one of the country's most important backbone networks, citing security reasons [due to bugs and vulnerability.) The move came after a congressional report branded Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. and ZTE Corp. security threats in the United States, citing bugs and vulnerability (rather than actual evidence of spying.) Surprising to us, up to now, Cisco occupies a large market share in China. It accounts for over a 70 percent share of China Telecom's 163 backbone network and over an 80 percent share of China Unicom's 169 backbone network. Let's wait to see who's the winner in this trade war disguised as national security."
I have not actually read the fucking article, but with a hurricane headed for New York, the global financial system about to collapse, and a war in the Middle East don't you think there are more important things to worry about than Cisco's Chinese sales performance? Jesus, Get some PRIORITIES!!!
Why should the Chinese trust American equipment and vice versa. It's not like these are objects that get sent to another country never to be see again, they get put on networks, many available publicly.
Chinas telecom backbone woes bring communications to grinding halt in east asia sparking massive civil war as the world plunges into a second great depression.
It's not a trade war disguised as national security, it's national security disguised as a trade war. There's been no evidence presented of any backdoors. I'm quite certain that by now, many intelligence organizations have taken the chips apart and scanned them down and if they'd found anything there would have been a reaction. But there hasn't been -- it's just been hints, allegations, and rumor. It's disinformation, because there's no truth to go on, just more communist red-baiting. Not to say China doesn't have the resources, and doesn't have a long and inglorious history of electronic espionage... but so does France and nobody says a peep about them.
The United States isn't worried about China because it poses a military threat, or a "cyber" threat, or a terrorist threat... they're scared shitless because this country has clubbed and beaten its rivals over the head with economic policies and rules. China has us by the balls on rare earth metals, and most of our consumer electronics are made in Asia. If they decide to play economic hardball, we're going to lose. For a country that's grown complacent being able to pick up a phone and make every other country on the planet bend over and drop their pants to please the all-mighty american dollar... we're fucking terrified that there's a couple billion people about to industrialize and their economy is a jaugernaut. It won't be long before our military is the only thing remarkable about our country -- and it won't be sustainable without a solid economy to back it.
In 20 years, we're going to be facing the same situation the Soviet Union did: They died because they tried to maintain their military at the expense of their economy. This is a game we're going to lose, badly. That's why every trade sanction, disinformation campaign, and high profile story about places like FoxConn are desperately sought after by our military and economic leaders... if China manages to develop its economy much more, we're screwed.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
In shitty backwaters like Russia, China and most Muslim countries, the state controls everything, so if something happens in a Western country that the third-worlders don't like, they go nuts, because their small brains can't comprehend that in a free country, stuff can actually go on without the government having a hand in it.
The Chinese government are simply assuming that Western governments are as vindictive, backwards and thin-skinned as they are. This just shows what a bunch of pathetic losers they are. They deserve only ridicule.
One thing I like about CHina is that they are smart enough to realize that national security IS an issue. They are in a cold war with the west and know that if they can not control an area economically, then they should avoid that same issue.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Cisco is the Microsoft of the networking world - the household name that's failing to let go of the past and embrace the future. Their saving grace is that Juniper doesn't have a Steve Jobs figure. Nevertheless, anyone switching away from Cisco shouldn't be viewed as a political choice, but rather a rational choice.
It's pretty hard getting the right firmware installed by Chinese designers.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
"Surprising to us, up to now, Cisco occupies a large market share in China. It accounts for over a 70 percent share of China Telecom's 163 backbone network and over an 80 percent share of China Unicom's 169 backbone network."
Not at all... you think they built that snazzy internet firewall and surveillance system with home grown tech? Hell no! They've been buying the best equipment and services from U.S. companies for a long time:
http://wraltechwire.com/business/tech_wire/opinion/blogpost/1166609/
That's all they're doing - punily transparent!
APK
P.S.=> After the material I've been picking up on regarding HUAWEI routers? Come on, a child can see the "puny 'effete retaliation'" method @ work here...
... apk
Art of War: "To increase Central Family power, take advantage of all situations to increase surveillance." "Any excuse will work, even trade war."
Well except the Chinese economy is having problem's of their own. It's nice to speak of situations in a us vs them tone, but things are a bit more complicated than that.
"China Unicom, the country's second largest telecom operator, has replaced Cisco Systems routers in one of the country's most important backbone networks, citing security reasons [due to bugs and vulnerability.)"
'The "backdoors" that Cisco and other networking companies implement in their routers and switches for lawful intercept are front and center again at this week's Black Hat security conference. A few years ago, they were cause celebre in some VoIP wiretapping arguments and court rulings'. link
Let's wait to see who's the winner in this trade war disguised as national security."
A trade with whom? Both companies' equipment is made in China. Cisco just sells their stuff.
As for paranoia, the US should be paranoid about Cisco stuff be made in China. It certainly gives me the willies. As does the fact that our medicine and vitamins are made over there as well. But that has had a good affect on me, I guess, as I am eating more local grown foods and staying away from processed foods. Except for Heath bars. Can't resist those.
We can only hope that the global financial system collapses. Maybe then, it can be rebuilt into something that actually works.
Hope you enjoy starving/freezing to death. If you manage to hoard enough canned food and heating oil to survive, enjoy being beaten to death by thieves.
In the meantime, a drastically reduced worldwide population can enjoy its "new global financial system" - i.e. - a "king" or "lord" (the heartless guy with the most weapons) tells you what you are allowed to use for money, what you are allowed to buy, how much of it you can buy, etc. And of course, you can kiss industry and manufacturing goodbye since there will be no capital investment and no methods of distribution - so your shopping choices will be, shall we say, very limited. Talk to a North Korean refugee when you get a chance - they'll tell you how much fun the new "financial system" will be.
subject says it all
Huawei is controlled by the People's Liberation Army. Ditto ZTE and Lenovo. And China is a constant source of cyberattack. Under the circumstances, it's best to not let our adversaries build out our telecommunications infrastructure.
... and this is the way we do it when we are in France ...
We leave "specially prepared documents" in our hotel rooms every time we went out for dinner, or meeting, or whatever.
Those "specially prepared documents" do that look very genuine, with all kinds of juicy "insider secrets", but in fact, we fill them with half-truths, and spice it up with stuffs that we know would create havocs for those who try duplicating the result.
Why we do so?
Because, the French intelligent agency are in every single hotel in France.
Every single business delegation, every single group of scientists, every commercial entourage will be closely followed by the French secret police, and they will go into your room and scan all the papers they can possibly find.
It's an open secret to those of us who are veterans in the industrial espionage thing.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
This story is kind off prejudice, already on the Romney China hate train? I have been reading stories from /. over Huawei. I have not really researched this company but they seem like a typical China company they build cheap (low priced) servers and the US companies and supporters building servers have no problem saying they some how can openly spy and steal US innovations? Is China just being hated on? DO not forget they have resources that US/World companies rely on so if you want to take China on you better be prepared for the fallout.
Cisco comes up in CERT bulletins with security vulnerabilities in their equipment. Sounds like at least one of their Chinese counterparts isn't any better.
Here's a tat. One tit, please.
Superpowers are all alike. Using money as a weapon of war will also kill millions. Slowly, by despair and starvation.
Perhaps these articles & their findings *MAY* help you understand SOME of the "negative commentary" regarding China on /.:
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China Attacked Internet Security Company RSA, Cyber Commander Tells SASC:
http://defense.aol.com/2012/03/27/china-attacked-internet-security-company-rsa-cyber-commander-te/
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China Corporate Espionage Boom Knocks Wind Out of U.S. Companies:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-15/china-corporate-espionage-boom-knocks-wind-out-of-u-dot-s-dot-companies
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China cyberspies suspected in new caper: what has experts worried :
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0927/China-cyberspies-suspected-in-new-caper-what-has-experts-worried
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Chinese Espionage Campaign Targets U.S. Space Technology:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-18/chinese-espionage-campaign-targets-u-dot-s-dot-space-technology
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Chinese hackers suspected of interfering with US satellites:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/27/chinese-hacking-us-satellites-suspected
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Chinese hackers took control of NASA satellite for 11 minutes :
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/chinese-hackers-took-control-of-nasa-satellite-for-11-minutes-20111119/
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Chinese Military Advocates Cyber Offensive Capability:
http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/21194-Chinese-Military-Advocates-Cyber-Offensive-Capability.html
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NSA: China is Destroying U.S. Economy Via Security Hacks:
http://www.dailytech.com/NSA+China+is+Destroying+US+Economy+Via+Security+Hacks/article24328.htm
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Former cybersecurity czar: Every major U.S. company has been hacked by China:
http://www.itworld.com/security/262616/former-cybersecurity-czar-every-major-us-company-has-been-hacked-china
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China's Cyber Thievery Is National Policy—And Must Be Challenged :
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970203718504577178832338032176-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwOTEwNDkyWj.html
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Report: Hackers Seized Control of Computers in NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/jet-propulsion-lab-hacked/
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U.S. cyber warrior accuses China of targeting Pentagon:
http://news.yahoo.com/u-cyber-warrior-accuses-china-targeting-pentagon-011916520.html
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Cyberwarfare U.S. Official on Cyber Attacks: "It's Getting Harder for China's Leaders to Claim Ignorance":
http://www.securityweek.com/uscc-commissioner-cyberattacks-getting-harder-chinas-leaders-claim-ignorance
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(Also - Bear in mind, that is only a PARTIAL & INCOMPLETE list too...)
* Now, additionally toss "HUAWEI" into the mix there, with their "shenanigans" with their routers having "backdoors"?
THEN, perhaps, You'll start to see the "negative commenters" points...
APK
P.S.=> The problem is, once 1 guy "pulls shit"? EVERYONE's FORCED into it too... ala Israel/U.S. Stuxnet development (every side's doing it though, no questions asked, because of what I noted) which in turn, prompted THIS from Iran recently:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/10/26/1815252/irans-high-tech-copycat-war-against-the-west-drones-and-cyberwar
"And the wheel goes 'round & round'", never ending bullshit, lol...
I do know 1 thing though (from having worked alongside their people in BOTH the professional working world, and during academia as well) - they have talent in the arena of computing (but, so do we). I'm also sure of the "level" of it and that I was seeing some of their "best & brightest" OR they wouldn't have BEEN in the USA in the 1st place. In other words? I've "got their number down" as would anyone else directly exposed to their "computer guys"... we're better is all I am saying & should WE ever start pulling crap like the lists I put out above? Look out China....
... apk ... apk
Richard Stallman just keeps being right about these things. The source must be open. The hardware must be open. All governments and individuals must be able to inspect the platform because there is no way to actually "Trust" proprietary solutions.
Right now, Cisco routers run Unix at the core and distribution levels. Linux is mostly being used on the access layer (edge) of the network. It is time to add more enterprise features and hardware support to make Linux suitable at all levels. Open chip designs can be developed in each country. That is the only way to make sure that each country does not subvert the networks of the others.
1/4 of what you hear, etc./et al - I suppose IF I had to state a "bottom-line" here? That'd be it!
"Maybe I'm wrong to charactarize this as flamebait." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, @04:56PM (#41791631)
Don't feel that way - you're ENTITLED to an opinion... only question is, what are you basing it on is all? The world's FULL of "counter arguments" to hide truths. Heck, look @ "The Chinese Water Army" for Pete's sake:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Chinese+Water+Army%22&oq=%22Chinese+Water+Army%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30j0i8i30.2910.12264.0.12424.30.26.4.0.0.0.499.5431.0j18j6j0j2.26.0.les%3Bcqn%2Cfixedpos%3Dfalse%2Cboost_normal%3D40%2Cboost_high%3D40%2Ccconf%3D1-2%2Cmin_length%3D2%2Crate_low%3D0-035%2Crate_high%3D0-035%2Csecond_pass%3Dfalse%2Cignore_bad_origquery%3Dtrue..0.0...1c.1.TYfJKLdcNlU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=d3ddaee4ee84f1b4&bpcl=35466521&biw=715&bih=608
Same on OUR side of the fence too, with HBGary -> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All
(Catching my Drift, as the saying goes, by this point?)
Heck with ME even - try Mr. Bruce Perens instead:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3017249&cid=40837621
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"My main point was that I've been seeing a lot of these stories, and at this time, it's pretty obvious to anyone who's been paying attention, that China is a hostile, threatening, cyber attacking, rogue nation.." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, @04:56PM (#41791631)
I suspect their gov't. CONDONES, and even ENCOURAGES hacking/cracking actually... which "blows my mind" since personally I have ALWAYS RESPECTED CHINA (5,000 yrs.++ of recorded history goes a LONG ways towards that much here is why)...
Still, in the end?
Well, since the Chinese citizen is just a guy like you or I? Then, I figure it THIS way: They are just people, led by corrupted fools, just like any other nation on the planet... absolute power, corrupts absolutely... enough? NEVER "enough", etc./et al!
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"The thing is though, like a lot of stories recently, you usually only have two sides: the polluting retards/propagandists who get modded up somehow, for pulling race cards or other obvious logical fallicies -- and everyone else who takes the opposing side and disagrees with the most visible, highly upmodded piece of bullshit. I mean, seriously, I feel like I'm on a Jerry Springer show, sometimes. And the fact the the stupidest, most inflamatory flamebait comments in the flamebait stories are frequently the most upmodded and visible, seems really contrived..." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, @04:56PM (#41791631)
Right - you really, Really, REALLY have to "dig" to get to the bottom of things, & ALWAYS CONSIDER THE SOURCE (& their motivations as to what THEY may stand to gain by such things)...
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"If I was management in Slashdot, and it was a slow news day, I might be tempted to post some flamebait, to boost ad revenue and boost ad views. But it's a cheap trick -- and after a while, the smarter people leave, because the intelligent, insightful variety which they were looking for, is no longer present...." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, @04:56PM (#41791631)
That's business for you though... again, a huge motivator for people, is money (and, then power)...
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"Anyone whos
Disprove the list of documented FACTS I used here -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3212389&cid=41789465
* Best part is, I KNOW YOU CAN'T (and you know it too - hence, your application of an unjustifiable downmod to my post, but nothing more)...
(All you've got' s are effete downmods that have NO SUBSTANCE behind them @ all, period)
APK
P.S.=> “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles.” - Sun Tzu (in “The Art of War”), and I KNOW YOU'RE UNABLE TO MEET THAT CHALLENGE ABOVE, lol ...
... apk