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Microsoft's SmartGlass For Android Reviewed

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has released their much anticipated SmartGlass application for Android, allowing the Linux-based mobile OS to act as an input device for their Xbox 360 game console. While the app has its share of annoying problems, it does offer a glimpse into a possible future where consumer electronics are no longer crippled by the artificial barriers of manufacturer or operating system."

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  1. Is this Microsoft's response to by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the Wii U tablet-based controller?

    1. Re:Is this Microsoft's response to by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, they Wii U hasn't been released yet so a pre-sponse?

    2. Re:Is this Microsoft's response to by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Not just a response. A major revamp of a system that has barely made it to market.

      Seriously, why did Nintendo announce the Wii U so early? Microsoft almost beat them to market with their own idea.

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    3. Re:Is this Microsoft's response to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well I can tell you for a fact that MS not only intended, but relished stealing Nintendo's thunder on this one.

      I was talking to an MS employee working on the project (while still secret, but I guess my NDA is expired now) and he said they had actually planned their 2012 E3 keynote to introduce it the day before Nintendo's keynote formally announcing the Wii U. The basic pitch was "why go buy an expensive proprietary controller that does one thing when you can use any smartphone or tablet from any manufacturer?"

    4. Re:Is this Microsoft's response to by Billlagr · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure it will make a lot of difference to be honest. The Wii-U has the touchscreen controller, shipped with every Wii-U. It is a consistent, core component that publishers know will be present and can reliably build functionality for, whereas this is a kind of add-on that publishers can't count on being present, or even consistent. Different screen resolutions, depends on network availability, which may or may ot introduce some lag or delay. I can't really see it being anything more than a short lived novelty

  2. Looks like they want it to have a future by viperidaenz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Releasing it to Android before Windows Phone

    1. Re:Looks like they want it to have a future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's already out on Windows Phone as well.

    2. Re:Looks like they want it to have a future by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except they released it two days earlier for Windows Phone and it runs great. But.. whatever.

    3. Re:Looks like they want it to have a future by mjwx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except they released it two days earlier for Windows Phone and it runs great. But.. whatever.

      Yes indeed, both Windows Phone users have reported this.

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  3. Re:Um Linux? by Garridan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Barriers are not "artificially created" between operating systems. Different operating systems have different APIs, different underlying assumptions, etc., so most barriers between them are very real and difficult to break down, often costing thousands of developer hours. And even then, nothing is guaranteed to work.

  4. Re:Um Linux? by morcego · · Score: 2

    Everything has different APIs, but in most case those are artificial barriers. Mostly due to lack of (public) documentation. Other times, because of stupid patents.

    If you mean different ABIs then yes, that is true, but that's just part of the game. It is like saying different processors have different microcodes.

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  5. Re:Shows MSs confidence in WIn 8/ARM tablets. by Ferzerp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Smartglass is available for both WP7 and WinRT, but hey, don't let reality interfere with your fantasy world.

  6. Re:rooted phones by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 2

    Um, it doesn't use Bluetooth at all. Smartglass does use Wifi. You'd have known that if you went to doublecheck the permissions the app is asking for. Not to mention the 360 doesn't have Bluetooth in any of its various configurations.

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  7. Not happy on a Jelly Bean tablet by Zigurd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not compatible with ASUS T-300 running Jelly Bean. :-(

  8. Re:rooted phones by skandalfo · · Score: 2

    If you have rooted the device, you can intercept any communications through any of the operating system provided services, either by using the monitoring facilities it provides or by modifying it. You don't need to sniff the packets 'on air', and thus you can pick the traffic for bluetooth too.

    If you are worried that sensitive data is transmitted over a network link... uhm... then the software should be encrypting the data.

    I don't get what's your worry, anyway, other than people reverse-engineering Microsoft's protocols and creating alternative SmartGlass clients.

  9. Not bluetooth by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Informative

    I first assumed this app would connect directly to my XBox via Bluetooth, and act as an actual controller device. It doesn't. Instead it requires internet connectivity on both the XBox and phone, and goes through the XBox Live servers (you have to sign into your XBox account on your phone, and also be logged into that XBox account on the XBox itself, before it can connect). I don't feel like messing around watching network traffic today, but I'm curious if XBox Live hands my phone over directly to the XBox (they find one another on my local network), or if all communication has to go through the XBox Live servers. There is a bit of latency, so I bet all communication is going out over the internet even though the devices are only 5 feet apart and both on the same LAN.

    I found the gestures a bit clunky. For example, you have to touch-hold while dragging to drag faster. However there isn't any method (that I could find) to go through a whole page at a time in the XBox menus. I had to go item by item. I think I would prefer a simple D-Pad type setup on my phone, with dedicated buttons to scroll entire pages / screens at a time.

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    1. Re:Not bluetooth by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I first assumed this app would connect directly to my XBox via Bluetooth

      That'd be pretty slick given your xbox doesn't have any bluetooth support.

    2. Re:Not bluetooth by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 3, Informative

      I first assumed this app would connect directly to my XBox via Bluetooth, and act as an actual controller device. It doesn't. Instead it requires internet connectivity on both the XBox and phone, and goes through the XBox Live servers (you have to sign into your XBox account on your phone, and also be logged into that XBox account on the XBox itself, before it can connect). I don't feel like messing around watching network traffic today, but I'm curious if XBox Live hands my phone over directly to the XBox (they find one another on my local network), or if all communication has to go through the XBox Live servers. There is a bit of latency, so I bet all communication is going out over the internet even though the devices are only 5 feet apart and both on the same LAN.

      I found the gestures a bit clunky. For example, you have to touch-hold while dragging to drag faster. However there isn't any method (that I could find) to go through a whole page at a time in the XBox menus. I had to go item by item. I think I would prefer a simple D-Pad type setup on my phone, with dedicated buttons to scroll entire pages / screens at a time.

      For reference, 360 controllers don't use bluetooth.

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  10. Similar thing for linux? by galoise · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anybody know if there's a similar thing for Linux? I've been looking for something that would allow the pen-digitizer in my thinkpad tablet work as input for my linux box, but so far have failed at finding anything in that vein.

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  11. Re:Um Linux? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've got to be kidding me.

    Microsoft has been actively fighting for more than a decade by all means, both technically and legally, technologies such as Java in order to make multi-platform development as difficult as possible. The whole idea of .NET was to make it harder to port programs while making it easy to develop for one platform. Apple does the same by tying developers to their toolchain and making it hard to develop with anything else than Objective-C+Cocoa. (Not to speak of various lawsuits.)

    Does the word "application barrier" not ring a bell at all? Of course it's intentional. Everybody knows that since the mid 90s. It is not hard at all to overcome low-level API inconsistencies, every cross-platform abstraction layer does that. The reason why all of these libraries are incomplete or create problems is economical not technological. If the big players had worked together rather than against each other, you could today write any application once and run it on every PC, every Mac, every smart phone, your browser and probably also your mom's toaster.

  12. Re:rooted phones by girlintraining · · Score: 2

    Does it deal with rooted phones intelligently by assuming the device is malicious or does it deal with rooted phones stupidly by assuming the device is perfectly trustworthy?

    Perhaps it deals with all phones the same way: As clients, with strict checking of data integrity and verification. Client side security is an oxymoron.

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  13. Defensive publication by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, why did Nintendo announce the Wii U so early?

    It's called defensive publication. For any feature Nintendo announces, someone else can't get a patent.

  14. Re:DRM proponents by causality · · Score: 2

    Client side security is an oxymoron.

    So how should people who understand this fact go about convincing Disney, Fox, Paramount, Sony, Universal, and Warner Bros. of this?

    Their ignorance is our bliss.

    Technologically unsound DRM and largely unenforcable draconian copyright laws means that their efforts WILL fail. How stubborn and thick-headed they are will determine how many tens of millions of dollars (that could have enriched their shareholders) they will waste on programmers and lobbyists before they are forced to admit it.

    What we really need is a movement among shareholders. Let them start seeing every dollar spent on DRM and lobbying for more copyright as management's failure to meet their fiduciary responsibilities. Unfortunately this seems just like the War on (some) Drugs, in that decades of failure still hasn't convinced the True Believers that it isn't gonna work. That part is just plain sad. People who deny reality are unfit to make these decisions.

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  15. Has Microsoft turned the corner? by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bear with me why I provide a little background to the question in the subject:

    I worked for IBM for better than a decade, from the late 90s to just a couple of years ago. During that time, the general sentiment inside of IBM was that trying to lock customers in was a bad idea, that in the long term what was good for business was open, cross-platform widely-compatible solutions. That's not to say that none of IBM's product divisions ever tried to lock customers in, but it was the exception, and a fairly rare exception, and most of the rest of the company thought they were being stupid.

    Obviously, the IBM I worked for was radically different in that respect from the IBM of the 60s, 70s and early 80s, when interoperability was a dirty word and IBM was able to gouge customers for obscene profits by locking them into "pure Blue" solutions. The anti-trust lawsuit and resulting consent decree was the start of the transformation, but the bigger force, IMO, was the fact that customers started distrusting IBM. In the late 90s when I started working for IBM Global Services, it was fairly standard practice in the consulting arm to actively *avoid* recommending IBM products unless they were clearly and undeniably the best solution available. A few years later practice shifted to pushing "blue" solutions more... but by then all of the solutions themselves had become not only interoperability-enabled, but most of them were entirely about interoperability, as IBM made the shift to a middleware and services company.

    The fact is that open architectures and interoperable solutions really are better business in the long run. In the short term, lock-in allows the extraction of monopoly rents, but you don't build strong customer relationships that way, and good relations with your customers is how you continue raking in the bucks year after year, decade after decade. This is especially true for companies like IBM whose primary clients are businesses, but it's also true for companies that straddle the business and consumer markets, like Microsoft.

    A number of things that have happened over the last few years make me think that Microsoft, even though they didn't get slapped around by the government the way IBM did, and really haven't ever gone through the sort of bloodletting that IBM did, has begun to turn the corner, to lose its institutional arrogance and its startup mentality of total domination at all costs, and matured into a company that understands you don't have to win everything to be successful, and that cooperation is sometimes more effective than competition.

    I'd have said they'd never make that change while Ballmer is in charge, but maybe I was too pessimistic.

    I'll reserve judgment for a few more years and see where they go. But I'm beginning to have hope that a new, less-evil Microsoft is emerging. They may need another serious failure or three to get all the way there, though. A major Windows 8 flop would probably be good for therm (culturally).

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  16. Re:Um Linux? by loufoque · · Score: 2

    Apple's toolchain is GCC 4.2 or Clang 3.1.
    Both are good compilers.

    You don't to go through the stupid IDE to do things. It works just like on Linux, except that GCC 4.2 is old and outdated.