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Sandy Sinks HMS Bounty, Knocks Off Gawker Websites
Black Parrot writes "Several news sites are reporting that the 1962 replica of the HMS bounty was lost at sea due to hurricane Sandy, about 90 miles off North Carolina. The latest news I find says 14 of 16 crew rescued, one drowned, and the Captain still missing." And on land, the combination of wind and water surges knocked off Gawker sites and the Huffington Post for a time, and forced the evacuation of NYU's Langone Medical Center. Did it affect you?
And the Huffington Post is still down! I wonder what sea water flooding implies for the financial district.
for the good cap'n.
but what they were doing bobbing around in the path of frankenstorm i don't know.
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Yeah, sure, the Captain of the HMS Bounty is "missing" because of a "hurricane".
We've heard that one before.
and the Captain still missing.
You'll find him adrift on the ship's boat somewhere in the Pacific I expect.
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The latest news I find says 14 of 16 crew rescued, one drowned, and the Captain still missing.
The captain is missing ... perhaps somebody mutinied?
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Seems like the vid may be looping. One hell of a flash though.
The “Fossil-Fueled Storm” Calls for an Immediate Crash Course on Climate Change...
Wasn't the storm powered by a combination of solar and hydro?
The original HMS Bounty didn't have the benefit of knowing a week in advance when a hurricane was coming. This one did. WTF were they even at sea for? Unless this was a suicide run, that was pretty fucking stupid.
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...appears to have upheld the highest traditions of the sea. In the past couple of decades there have been at least two Mediterranean cruise ship skippers who can't say that.
Not a religious guy, but...
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For those in peril on the sea.
Sandy knocked out the gawker websites? How is it that I have been thinking hurricanes are bad, for all these years?
No Daily Show. Now how will I get my news?
Does anywone know why the boat was out? Seems like a bad time to sail in replica boat.
That was caused by those crazy "green energy" nutjobs demanding that hurricanes be generated using entirely renewable energy (don't ignore wind as well as solar and hydro). They should have stuck with good old coal, oil, natural gas, or maybe nuclear power to create hurricanes.
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I think the Huffington Post managers would be more worried if a real media website went down like the NYT. Where would they steal - sorry aggregate - their content from then!
I read the title and all I got to say is that its a damn shame about the HMS Bounty.
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that said this storm wasn't going to be anything and were criticizing people getting prepared in the 'Sandy' story the other day? hmm? I expect you are apologizing and have learned your lesson~
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"Several news sites are reporting that the 1962 replica of the HMS bounty was lost at sea due to hurricane Sandy, about 90 miles off North Carolina."
Are they certain this wasn't the result of a mutiny?
Knocks Off Gawker Websites ... and nothing of value was lost.
hydro didn't power it, the energy in the form of 'heat' powered it.
You're statement would be like saying Gas and roads power cars.
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It goes to show that these major broadcast networks prioritize their city or area.
They always have, but it is more noticeable when they call this "the Perfect Storm" or a "superhurricane" or whatever. Well... no, it's not. Perhaps it's the worst that NYC has seen in decades, but it was only a category 1.
Near the Gulf, we expect such a storm to directly impact us once every couple of years. The New York networks make mention of those storms during the weather segment, but then they'll go back and spend half an hour talking about Lady Gaga.
I have been watching Good Morning America this morning, and they haven't moved off the weather situation once. In Alabama, we had tornadoes last year that killed hundreds and destroyed thousands of homes, entire city blocks being leveled throughout the state. They talked about it for maybe 5 minutes, if that.
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Nonstop coverage of something that doesn't affect me? Yes, because I couldn't watch real news.
By all means, please tell us what other news doesn't affect you, so we can remove it from the world's news post haste!
Here in Wisconsin, we'd be outside tailgating in a class 1 storm.
Yes, I imagine you get quite a few class 1 HURRICANES in Wisconsin, don't you? And the class just refers to the speed of the wind, not the size or how long it lasts. This is an extremely powerful storm, which would explain why all the weather forecasters say not to pay attention to what class this one is.
As for the boat, I'm no sailing expert but don't you typically not take low tech replicas of old ships sailing in a hurricane?
I'd hate to let the mere fact that you don't know anything about boats keep you from judging people who do, but maybe the fact that all the boat owners in the world didn't consult with you beforehand should be an indicator. As other slashdaughters have pointed out, keeping your boat in dock can be very dangerous. So many people took their boats out to sea to weather the storm. But this being a very powerful storm (see above), some didn't do so well. It could be have been worse in port though.
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It wasn't in the Royal Navy, and it was clearly registered as Bounty...
So , man-made climate change was the cause of Hurricane Sandy? Are you kidding me?!!! Sandy is the 75 year cycle storm that was overdue, last one was in 1938. It's a natural weather phenomena, and has nothing to do with humanity's doings.
storms such as these are recurring phenomenon. in fact we were overdue for one like Sandy.
it has nothing to do with "climate change" nor anything to do with fossil fuel. It has to do with the star known as Sol....
As for the boat, I'm no sailing expert but don't you typically not take low tech replicas of old ships sailing in a hurricane?
When they set sail, this storm wasn't expected to be anywhere near them. It was expected to trash Cuba and Haiti, then wander off west into empty ocean.
It wasn't until Thursday that the forecast showed it headed for New Jersey.
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I've been stuck in my apartment, constantly online, with blankets on my windows... actually, things aren't much different from every other day. Only when I peek outside, it's raining.
it was a replica of the HMS Bounty, and is popularly called as such. the world doesn't care about royal navy registration and can put HMS in front of anything they please.
Wander off east, rather.
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It couldn't have been worse in port- the ship's been lost and at least one member of the crew has died. In port the ship could have been destroyed but the crew would have been on land, away from the ship, and safe.
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I just took some pictures of her when she was hauled out of the water in Boothbay Harbor, a couple of weeks ago. I was joking that the modern sailor was spoiled, as there was no seat of ease visible at the bow.
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The Atlantic is running an short article on some old newsreels from previous NE Hurricanes (1935, 1955 and 1969).
Most interesting....
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Not at all, this is the first I've heard of it. But I have also been working way to much the last few days to find time to browse news sites.
Here we have some cloud and mild rain. Not exactly the end of days scenario we were told to expect.
Of course, you're in Seattle.
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Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
they had mechanical problems and were dead in the water waiting for a tow
Ouch, its almost impossible to sink a ship that at least has steerage, but out of control you're in deep trouble if you get broadside to the waves or a big wave over the stern and you're done. Boats, even antique replicas, can survive almost anything headon other than hitting a lighthouse but from the side or back they're toast.
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...Sandy blows all the historic stats out of the water, including 1938 hurricane Bellport. Calls bullshit on the "75 year cycle storm" theory - where is the data to back that up?
While a couple of hurricane landfalls in Florida have produced pressures in this range, most cities in the Northeast have never reached such values, as is evident in this state-by-state roundup. The region’s lowest pressure on record occurred with the 1938 hurricane at Bellport, Long Island (946 hPa).
Nonstop coverage of something that doesn't affect me? Yes, because I couldn't watch real news.
How much of that "real news" actually does affect you?
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Notsureifserious.jpg but there is no "75 year cycle" pattern in the Earth's weather.
Uhh, we predicted the exact path of this storm last Monday, nearly a full week before it hit.
Who is "we"? The NHC's predicted track showed it headed for Bermuda until Wednesday.
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Callcentric has no backup power, so their phone service is down nationwide.
Even if the NYSE itself could physically stay up and running, there is no way all the people sitting at their desks doing trades all day (or the specialized computer trading systems the guys sitting at their desks are in charge of keeping an eye on) could stay up during an event as large as this.
it was a replica of the HMS Bounty, and is popularly called as such. the world doesn't care about royal navy registration and can put HMS in front of anything they please.
I've never seen an HMS first post.
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Well, if you and your idiot tailgating buddies were in Atlantic City, you would have been under 8 feet of water. If you were in Queens, it would only have been 3 feet of water, but you would at least be nice and toasty because your and 79 of your neighbors houses were on fire. If it was lower Manhatten, I am sure that the little 13 foot storm surge (highest ever recorded) would not have fazed you at all. And the 700 ton tanker that wound up on a street in Staten Island - I am sure that happens all the time in Wisconsin. And who needs little things like power (especially if you happen to live 50 stories up)? And I hope you were planning on walking (or more likely swimming) to your tailgate, because the entire transportation system is shut down.
What exactly do you consider 'real news'?
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I think that the Royal Navy might get slightly miffed about people doing that. Whether or not they could do anything about it is another matter. British Armed forces probably don't get much of a legal budget for pursuing these things.
...wind and water surges knocked off Gawker sites...
And nothing of value was lost.
But this being a very powerful storm (see above), some didn't do so well. It could be have been worse in port though.
How many people would have been put in harms way if the boat had stayed in port
The Weather Channel came up with an interesting abbreviation for their Breaking Weather System: "BreWS." Isn't there a microbrew called Nor'Easter?
No, the downing of the Huffington Post and Gawker didn't affect me at all. No loss.
Wrong. It could have been worse. This thing is 230~ tons of timber! You don't think it being busted up in port would have destroyed not just the ship but whatever it was tied too, or other vessels near it? If its just the loss of life bothering you what about all the added flying debris (which often kills in hurricanes) such an even might result in?
I am not saying that any of these things would have happened but they could have just like going to sea could have resulting in everything being just fine. I am saying you don't fully understand the subject and the considerations around it. This ship was big and heavy and the storm, category 1 though it may be, is large and powerful. There is plenty of potential for calamity not matter what you do.
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Well, for comparison, there was a 700 tanker ship which was in port, broke free, and wound up a mile away on a street in Staten Island. The fact that no-one got hurt from that is pretty amazing.
That's nothing. The storm in NYC is headline news....in England. I mean, *seriously*?
Had anyone stopped to consider that all this news of hurricane violence in the media, is encouraging more hurricanic violence?
Technically it's a self-funding activity.
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The 1938 Hurricane wasn't called Bellport, that's where the measurement you're referring to was made. We didn't name storms back then. That storm was known as 'The Long Island Express' or 'Yankee Clipper,' as it was an incredibly powerful storm that reached a ground track speed of 70mph and struck Long Island and New England practically without warning.
Back to your question, however... The data doesn't exist, because we only recently understood what these storms are and had the capability to make these measurements! Flying aircraft into the center of hurricanes and dropping scientific measuring equipment into them is a relatively recent phenomenon. Otherwise, you had to be (un)lucky enough to be a ship or a city that the eye passed over to get an accurate measurement.
That being said, there is a well-documented history of incredibly powerful storms hitting the New England area, going back to the 1600s.
As previously mentioned, the Long Island Express in 1938, which killed 700 people and did $6 billion in damages (2004 dollars). It had a minimum pressure of 947Mbar, compared to Sandy's 946 at landfall. The Express made landfall as a Category 3, however, showing that central pressure isn't everything. It created a couple new islands by breaking new inlets through the existing barrier islands.
Before that was the 1893 New York Hurricane with a minimum pressure of 952. Came ashore as a strong Category 1. Killed 38, uprooted a bunch of trees, smashed some buildings... Completely removed Hog Island from the map. But pretty calm compared to the Express.
The 1869 Saxby Gale also messed up New England pretty good. Killed over 100. Actually created a new land bridge between Nova Scotia and Partridge Island.
The 1821 Norfolk and Long Island hurricane flooded NYC as well. It managed a 13-foot storm surge at low tide, compared to Sandy's 9-foot, which hit at high tide. Between Category 3 and 4 strength.
There was also the Great September Gale of 1815. Category 3. Actually created the island of Long Beach, as it used to be part of the Rockaways peninsula. This was actually the storm that apparently lead to the theory that Hurricanes were vortices, instead of just large waves of rushing atmosphere.
The most impressive one, though, and the one we sadly have very little direct data for is probably the Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635. It was most likely a Category 4, probably with a central pressure = 930Mbar. Simulations show a landfall pressure of 938Mbar in Long Island, which (if correct) would still beat Sandy for the all-time record above North Carolina. Damage was noticable 50 years later.
So there's the data we have. Doesn't look like a seventy-five year cycle to me. It does show, however, that such storms are unusual but not unheard of in recorded history. And, if I remember my studies correctly, there is evidence in the terrain of New England of even worse storms over the past thousand years.
What's changed? New England is much more densely populated than it used to be, our news is much more up-to-date and instantaneous, and our modeling and predictive capabilities are much better. The same was true of the Gulf Hurricanes a few years back (Katrina and Rita). Much of the areas that were devastated were areas that had been sparsely populated when they were previously destroyed (in Hurricane Camille, for instance), and had been spared destruction long enough for the memories to fade in people's minds.
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... that a cartoon squirrel could sink a ship.
Or did I miss something?
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What do you mean overdue? If it's a 75-year cycle and the last one was in 1938 it's pretty much right on time.