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Fisker Hybrids Get Bad Karma From Superstorm Sandy

New submitter slas6654 writes with this excerpt from Jalopnik: "Approximately 16 of the $100,000+ Fisker Karma extended-range luxury hybrids were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey last night when water from Hurricane Sandy's storm surge apparently breached the port and submerged the vehicles. As Jalopnik has exclusively learned, the cars then caught fire and burned to the ground.' Apparently Fiskar super-duty lithium ion batteries are neither water-proof or water soluble."

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  1. Why does this matter? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cars were totalled the minute they were submerged. If they were destroyed later, why does that matter?

    1. Re:Why does this matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Because each vehicle could have had a bankster CEO at the wheel as they burned down, doing us all a favor.

      Instead, we just got a waste of some nice cars.

      Hopefully the next hurricane will do a better job of cleaning up the criminal capital of the US.

    2. Re:Why does this matter? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can drive them if you want, I will not be.

      A flooded car is a totaled car. No cars on the market are built for that.

      I am not going to be buying a flooded car or any other R title.

    3. Re:Why does this matter? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about building burns down because water main break cased water to pour into the underground parking garage and onto an electric car that burst into flames?

      Or how about Man burns to death as firefighters point out there isn't much point putting water on a car which is on fire because it slid into a pond, became submerged and is burning.

      Or maybe, Two first responders were injured after a car erupted in fire because it started raining while they were tending to an accident.

      I know a parked car without anyone around doesn't pose much of a threat. But I think in reality, that situation happens as much as or less then when it could be a threat to human life or property. So finding out why is somewhat of a concern I would think.

    4. Re:Why does this matter? by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why does that matter?

      There is an important difference between "totalled" and "erupt into a 1350 deg. C toxic lithium fire." Traditional gas/diesel cars don't usually do that when flooded, so a new and dramatic failure mode has been revealed. Something to note if you live in New Orleans or parts of Texas that see frequent flash floods and perhaps not the best thing to park in your integral garage.

      You didn't really fail to understand this did you? You'd just rather people not discuss concerns that emerge with the things you prefer.

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  2. Misleading? by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It looks like several were close together, while others parked a little bit away were unscathed. Perhaps one caught fire and that burnt adjacent cars? They were parked pretty close, and there's a Karma in one of the photos that didn't suffer the same fate.

  3. Re:Why pick on EVs? by Darth+Hubris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because most cars don't burst into flame when submerged.

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  4. Re:Someone forgot to test by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the upside, switching to EV's will seriously reduce the frequency of flood damaged cars being sold as 'working perfectly'

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  5. Re:Why pick on EVs? by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me explain it simply. On Earth, water falls from the sky, very frequently, sometimes with great force. Having a consumer level bomb that is activated by water is a bad idea whilst operating on Earth. It is a very volatile condition. These cars BURNED by being put in water and you dont think that is cause for alarm? Not one or two but over a DOZEN.

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  6. Re:Huge problem in Texas - flash floods on the roa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point of "flash" in flash flood is that it happens extremely rapidly - one doesn't exactly plan ahead for it.

  7. Re:Someone forgot to test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "submerged in salt water" is a whole other beast. A nasty one.

  8. Re:Top Gear says your wrong by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Totaled does not mean not working. It means worthless.

    That Hilux was rendered worthless. I would not want to drive it nor would Toyota suggest anyone drive it after that treatment.

  9. Re:Someone forgot to test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only if you're not burning coal or oil to generate the electricity to charge that EV... Just sayin'.

  10. Re:Superstorm? by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who also lives in Florida, I can explain.

    1. Very little preparation for the type of weather that a hurricane can cause. In Florida, we have storm drains that take away most of the water that a hurricane causes. Add in building codes that require buildings to be designed for hurricanes (typically category 3) and utilities that are designed specifically for hurricanes, and you'll find that down here, things are pretty robust by design. New Jersey and New York didn't have that type of preparation and you had buildings collapse.

    2. Record storm surges. In some places, the storm surge was over 13 feet where the harbor was only designed to handle the (then historic record) 12 feet, causing massive flooding.

    3. Fires. Gas lines caught fire, causing over 100 homes to burn to the ground.

    4. In New Jersey specifically, they had a berm go under water due to the storm surges, causing even more damage.

    Ultimately, take a look at the damage predictions and you'll see why its called a superstorm. Wind was only part of the issue.

  11. Re:Someone forgot to test by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until we have reliable alternatives, coal and Oil will be used until they disappear completely.

    BTW
    Can't have Nuclear ... obvious reasons.
    Can't use Hydro Electric ... damn rivers
    Can't use windmills ... kills birds
    Can't use Solar Voltaic ... Rare Earth Mineral Mining not allowed

    Let me know when we have viable alternatives that won't be outsourced to China or other third world nation.

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  12. Re:Someone forgot to test by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well just like everything else in life - there is no silver bullet. Everything has pros and cons. The best course of action is to diversify. Use an option with a smaller impact in the area you're trying to build it. Build out each as a piece of the pie to reduce the negative impact any one method will have.

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