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Building the Ultimate Safe House

Hugh Pickens writes "Candace Jackson writes that an increasing number of home builders and buyers are looking for a new kind of security: homes equipped to handle everything from hurricanes, tornadoes and hybrid superstorms like this week's Sandy, to man-made threats ranging from home invasion to nuclear war. Fueling the rise of these often-fortresslike homes are new technologies and building materials—which builders say will ultimately be used on a more widespread basis in storm- and earthquake-threatened areas. For example, Alys Beach, a 158-acre luxury seaside community on Florida's Gulf Coast, has earned the designation of Fortified...for safer living® homes and is designed to withstand strong winds. The roofs have two coats of limestone and exterior walls have 8 inches of concrete, reinforced every 32 inches for 'bunkerlike' safety, according to marketing materials. Other builders are producing highly hurricane-proof residences that are circular in shape with 'radial engineering' wherein roof and floor trusses link back to the home's center like spokes on a wheel, helping to dissipate gale forces around the structure. Deltec, a North Carolina–based builder, says it has never lost a circular home to hurricanes in over 40 years of construction. But Doug Buck says some 'extreme' building techniques don't make financial sense. 'You get to a point of diminishing returns,' says Buck. 'You're going to spend so much that honestly, it would make more sense to let it blow down and rebuild it.''

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  1. Illegal by mrmeval · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is illegal in some jurisdictions to build fortified homes. Many of the techniques listed would fall under that category. This is for the protection of the police and safety workers of course.

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    1. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's illegal, for financial reasons.

      When you have a house made of prefabs, it means that every 50 years you have to tear it down and rebuild. During that time, the land can change hands, the zoning can change as well. Which means people stand to make a lot of money buying and selling.

      Then there's the fact, that, if you build a house indended to have a long lifespan, maintenance will be lower, making it much more cheaper in the long run, in essence, for an individual, it would be a bad investment, for a family though, it's something that will pass from generation to generation.

    2. Re:Illegal by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Naturally, sponsored by a republican, the same kind that are against government regulation

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    3. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would really trust the government with a key to your house?

    4. Re:Illegal by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because when your house is on fire, you want the fire department to be able to enter as quickly as possible. Instead of finding the key to your house somewhere at the station, among hundreds of others, an axe works nicely as a universal door opener.

      When my house is made of steel and concrete, it's not on fire. Especially with sprinkler systems to drown carpet/drapes fires.

    5. Re:Illegal by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now, that's one stupid law.

      Jeff Cooper (famous to some, infamous to others, "Huh?" to most) had an interesting take on home invasions. He believed that the only thing you really needed during a home invasion was time. Literally just a few seconds warning gives you time to react properly and save lives. He used to teach something along the lines of "Your home is going to be invaded through the front door by a murderous gang. Your family, including your toddler grandchildren, is spread about the house. You have two choices. First option - you have the finest, custom-built .45 ever conceived by the mind of man built by the finest 'smith in the world with cost as no object on your belt. Second option - you have a functional but generally piece of crap .32 somewhere in your pocket and ten seconds warning. Which do you choose?"

      The obvious answer is to take the warning time. To that end, he had a very simple entry to his home. It was a long (about 30 feet), narrow courtyard with a heavy, cast-iron gate at the end. Visitors had to ring the bell. He would look through the peephole and if things seemed OK, step outside the door. If he didn't know you, it would be up to you to explain why you were there. If he wanted to let you in, the gate was unlocked by a lever back at the front door.

      In short, if you wanted to home-invade that guy, you'd have to break down a heavy gate (providing warning) and traverse a hallway without cover (aka, a completely merciless killing zone) before you could even reach his front door.

      I thought his solution was elegant and cheap. It required only a couple of adobe walls leading out from the door to his house, an iron arbor "ceiling" for the outdoor room (from which decorative plants hung), and a sturdy gate with a very simply unlocking mechanism that was, essentialy, just a doorknob that extended back 30 feet to the front door.

      If I had a place in the country, I'd consider this a very reasonable way to build an entry. I like entry courtyards, anyway.

      But the law you cite would (arguably, depending on circumstances) make such a design illegal.

      Stupid, stupid law.

    6. Re:Illegal by JJJJust · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well then, thank god for the Knox Box so they can just get the key from right beside the door...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Box

    7. Re:Illegal by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      What about if some trusted third party, like Porter Industries, held the key in escrow?

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    8. Re:Illegal by BigBunion · · Score: 2

      What happens when that master key gets out in the wild? It's bound to happen eventually...

    9. Re:Illegal by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then they can think outside the box and use the glass windows as entry points. Statistically, the chances of them having to put out a fire in my home while I am away are 90,500,324,115,000 to 1 there is a far higher chance that I will be home when there is a fire and the front door will be wide open.

      Got another impossible example? Like what if the Department of homeland security chased a band of terrorists into my home and they locked the door behind them and I am away at my vacation home in Fiji?

      Ohh, what if a meteorite that contained a space based virus crashed into my home and CDC could not get in to contain it, thus it spread and killed off the human race while I was out to get ice cream at Ben and Jerrys!

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    10. Re:Illegal by EvolutionInAction · · Score: 2

      Do you have any idea how combustible the contents of your house are? Your bed, your rug, your curtains and desks and clothes and everything will burn with a ferocity that might surprise you. The sprinklers will probably work. If some stupid homeowner hasn't put a false ceiling over them, anyway. A lot about the firefighting profession is saving people from their own stupidity.

    11. Re:Illegal by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      Screw them. The only reason they would be entering my house would be if they were committing an illegal act and they would have bigger problems. I shoot intruders on the spot.

      Why should i make it easy for them to violate my rights?

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    12. Re:Illegal by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what sort of cover do these bad guys have while they're ineffectively dinging the front of this guy's house? A fortified home can be easily cracked by enough people with good tactics and decent equipment. Hanging out at the front of the killing zone and doing stupid stuff isn't going to do it.

      And that leads us to another point. Why crack a fortified home, when an unfortified one is available? A lot of the rationale behind this sort of thing is that it makes your home look a lot less vulnerable than the home next door. Unless the bad guys have a reason to break into this particular home, they'll be greatly encouraged to just go elsewhere.

    13. Re:Illegal by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      A fortified home or a fortified illusion. Just a new exercise in marketing targeted at the gullible. They'll pay extra to live in an unsafe zone and the profits will pour in. Guess what happens when there is a major hurricane and those fortified properties get flattened, the developers declares bankruptcy and moves to the Bahamas and lives off that grossly inflated salary they earned while building those 'fortified illusions' and they'll be screaming about the taxes they have to pay for those free loaders who lost everything when their fortified homes were destroyed by the storm surge. Want to be hurricane safe move to some where without hurricanes, now that's just plain common sense.

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    14. Re:Illegal by khallow · · Score: 2

      The problem with calling it an "illusion" is that it's not. All that costly structure will make the home safer in the event of a hurricane and many other such things. And when such a home gets washed away by a storm surge? I'll bet that a direct hit by hurricane isn't covered by the warranty.

    15. Re:Illegal by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2

      Not really. One in front and one in back take care of the only two doors to the house.

      Windows were designed with security in mind. I never knew what his garage door precautions were like.

      Remember, though, this guy wasn't building a fortress to withstand a prolonged siege. He just wanted the obvious entry points, the doors, sufficiently well-designed so that home invaders would be forced to give him a few seconds warning.

      It's not like he had bullet-proof windows, for example. In fact, there's one famous story about him showing off the excellent trigger pull on his Smith and Wesson M29 .44 Magnum revolver to a visitor. He opened the cylinder, dropped the cartridges into his hand, closed the cylinder and took aim out his front window at the gas meter and dry-fired the gun, commenting on how great the trigger was. Then he let the visitor try it and the visitor was duly impressed. Then he dry-fired it one last time, just out of a sense of satisfaction at how fine a trigger pull it exhibited. Remember, he was sitting in his den, aiming at a gas meter, through a picture window.

      The gun fired. When the commotion and surprise died down, he checked his pocket. When he had unloaded the revolver, only 5 cartridges had dropped out. One, for whatever reason, had stuck in the cylinder.

      Jeff Cooper, The Man Who Invented Modern Pistolcraft, simply did not have negligent discharges. He was shaken by the incident, to say the least.

      Later, a group of his friends hatched a plot, met the gas company guy who came out to replace the meter, and bought the faceplate from the repairman. They mounted it to a plaque and waited until another (legit) awards ceremony was happening whereupon they took the opportunity to present him with an award honoring the notion that he was, in fact, human and capable of making mistakes. Luckily, they guy had a good sense of humor about it.

      Sorry to get sidetracked but the guy was an amazing and fascinating character.

    16. Re:Illegal by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      I know the owner of Porter Industries and he is a very honourable and courageous man. And an excellent dancer.

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  2. dramatic design hype by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 2

    You don't need a nuclear bunker design to weather even a 180 mph hurricane. Less dramatic design techniques have been around a while.

    1. Re:dramatic design hype by Zemran · · Score: 2

      Cellars are a really bad idea in the event of flooding...

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    2. Re:dramatic design hype by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      like this. Yeah, humans basically figured out this problem in the Stone Age.

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    3. Re:dramatic design hype by smpoole7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > I think they call them cellars...

      When the tornadoes came through Alabama on April 27th, 2011, I know of at least two cases where people died in nice, deep cellars. In once case, the storm that tracked through Phil Campbell, AL actually picked up a vehicle and dropped it on a family, killing everyone.

      Unless you reinforce the "roof" (typically the first floor of the home) over the cellar, or take other steps to ensure that things can't fall in on you (and this includes debris from a catastrophic collapse of the house itself), a basement won't necessarily protect you from an F4 or F5 "monster" tornado.

      Around here, most folks seem to prefer the separate buried shelters. They have to run in the rain and wind to get into it, but they prefer that to trusting an "interior room" or a basement.

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    4. Re:dramatic design hype by louden+obscure · · Score: 2

      you start with a deeper hole...

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    5. Re:dramatic design hype by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people don't comprehend the "layers" concept. We lost power for three solid days. I've got a 2kW inverter and four Group 31 deep-cycle batteries to power the fridge and sump pump. They will hold me for 48-hours with realistic power management. We have a 200A alternator on the garden tractor that will recharge a battery in under an hour. We used about two gallons of gasoline keeping the electricity available.

      We heated two rooms (kitchen and living room) with firewood and the fireplace. We abandoned the entire second floor of the house. We purchased several suitcases of water prior to the storm's arrival (can't run the well pump with the current setup - a liability I *will* resolve.) The pantry was stocked with canned goods (i.e. baked beans, etc) that could be eaten right out of the can. We have two extra propane tanks for the gas grill. We sacrificed our normal behavior during the crisis, and had zero expectation that "business as usual" would return until well after power was restored.

      If you're going to build a "survivable" residence, it needs to have a small core that's extremely energy/resource efficient. Simply adding armor to the outside might be an easy sell from the builder's perspective, but it's only one piece of the survive-the-crisis puzzle. As evidenced by the problems in NYC right now, as soon as the storm passes, your supply lines become an even bigger issue.

    6. Re:dramatic design hype by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Why buy water? why not buy 5-6 5 gallon food grade clean buckets and fill them yourself, saves a lot of money and gives you far more water. go fancy and the the 7 gallon pails with a spigot at the bottom from your local beer brewing store. I would rather have the pails as I can get my water supply set from a faucet 1 hour before the world ends instead of having to fight my neighbors who are in panic mode at the store.

      Also a kerosene heater is also safe to use inside with venting. better choice for those that don't have a fireplace. 1, 5 gallon can of kerosene can heat the living space for over 1 week if used properly. And kerosene stores for years without degrading.

      Lastly, CASH is important to have in your pantry. About $200-$500 in all small bills. NYC residents are discovering that ATM machines and credit card terminals dont work and cash is king.

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    7. Re:dramatic design hype by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Around here, most folks seem to prefer the separate buried shelters. They have to run in the rain and wind to get into it, but they prefer that to trusting an "interior room" or a basement.

      Tunnels that connect these to your basement are not all that hard to add. You can then quickly and safely head to it from the house. Of course you still want another way out in case your house does totally collapse, so you are not trapped in the shelter.

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    8. Re:dramatic design hype by smpoole7 · · Score: 2

      > The only perfect protection is to not be there in the first place.

      Sure, but (of course) that's sometimes difficult to do in real life.

      Here's what I learned that April: we had plenty of advanced warning that something really bad would happen, but no one could predict exactly *where* the tornadoes would hit. Tornadoes aren't like tropical storms (and believe me, I've had plenty of experience with those things, too!). You can't track them for days, watching the slow progress as they head toward land, constantly refining the models. Realistically, you might get a tornado watch 24 hours in advance, but at best, only 30 minutes warning once the twister touches down. They brew up, cause catastrophic destruction, then dissipate.

      So ... OK, let's leave; where do we go? For all we knew on April 26th, they could appear anywhere in Alabama. You might leave your home, run to another city, only to have THAT one get hit instead of where your home is at. :)

      The one that hit Cordova, AL was a good (bad) example. They had very little warning, and there were many people in the local Piggly Wiggly supermarket grabbing last minute groceries when it hit. The building was flattened.

      The Phil Campbell story is the one that gives me the chills. The family I mentioned did as well as they could, piling into their "safe place" (the basement), only to be killed anyway.

      You don't always get enough advance warning, or specific enough of a warning, to simply "go somewhere else."

      And believe me, you don't want to be driving in tornado weather. (Even if you don't experience the high winds, you liable to come around a curve and find a tree in the road, with no time to stop. Speaking from experience.) Once they announce the warnings, the best thing to do is to find a safe place, hunker down, and just pray for the best.

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  3. Your fortified home needs land around it by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The home may survive, but if it's beachfront, you may find the distance from your bunker to the waves is a lot less when you emerge after the hurricane.

    1. Re:Your fortified home needs land around it by lkcl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The home may survive, but if it's beachfront, you may find the distance from your bunker to the waves is a lot less when you emerge after the hurricane.

      yeah. i mention sthapatyaveda in another post, but the "rules" for sthapatyaveda include never putting a building in a valley, or under a cliff, or within 1 mile of any kind of large body of water. there are about 30 "rules" for choosing a site, and, when you look at them and actually think about them, they actually make a hell of a lot of sense. the one "don't pick a plot that's been abandoned by nature i.e. has no animals or birds on it" is just... well... we know that animals have more instinctive sense than humans! "don't pick a plot that has a strange smell or has unclear air" is blindingly obvious, but so many people overrule that for other considerations, and then wonder why they get sick!

      as a race we can be pretty stupid, to be honest, about the kinds of things we put up with for the most... irrational reasons.

  4. Or... go old school by MangoCats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Go old school and build a concrete dome. These are nothing new, very strong, and energy efficient.

    1. Re:Or... go old school by DogDude · · Score: 2

      ... and have a resale value of $0.

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    2. Re:Or... go old school by barefoot_professor · · Score: 4, Informative

      A monolithic dome has been on my to do list for awhile now . . .

    3. Re:Or... go old school by dugjohnson · · Score: 2

      Backing up barefoot_professor on this. Monolithic domes can stand up to almost anything and are reasonably priced to construct. Now that I am living within an hour of the factory, I am thinking about taking one of their courses in dome construction...or may just buy some land and have them put one up. The only problem...how do you hide the dust bunnys in the corner?

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    4. Re:Or... go old school by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You could also contact Monolithic Domes in Italy, TX. They practice what they preach, using concrete and steel domes for their factory buildings. They took a direct hit from an F3 tornado. They had the employees pull their cars inside, and no one even had chipped paint. They've made real strides in recent years to make their buildings blend in more with the surrounding architectures. They don't have to look like a 60's hippy commune.

      I really don't understand why everyone is effectively saying, "fortified homes kill puppies!!" You guys LIKE running in the middle of the night to a shelter? Or waking up to find that a post came through the wall and killed your teen-aged daughter? I've always thought people who built little crackerbox houses were idiots. I know of AT LEAST one town in Kansas that had everyone still alive living in shipping containers for over a year because a tornado scraped the town off the earth, and they are just now finishing up infrastructure repairs to Joplin, MO after the tornado strike that ate a hospital and gutted the city. Before anyone says, "Well, they probably came off better financially after all the aid came in", I can definitively say that's crap. What aid money is out there is stretched to the limit with all the natural disasters happening, so you may not get any. When big disasters happen, it can ruin an insurance company to the point that they close their doors, and then no one gets paid. Besides, how much money would it take to let someone kill your little boy? Or your wife? Or you? How much are these lives worth to you?

      I grew up in Tornado Alley in NE Texas. Our home was 1800 square feet with laminated floor beams on a full, reinforced basement on a hilltop. We eventually moved, selling the home to my uncle and his family. It's still a fortress, and helping members of the family sleep well when the tornado sirens go off.

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    5. Re:Or... go old school by Radtastic · · Score: 2

      I don't have points or I'd mod up the professor. Monolithic domes are noted to be very energy efficient, and can withstand natural disasters quite well - earthquake / fire / wind. Plus they look cool :)

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    6. Re:Or... go old school by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You basically cannot overstate just how indestructible these things are. I visited one in Atlanta and the owner said that just a few months earlier an 18" wide tree had fallen over onto the house. This would have caused tremendous damage to any regular house, but this dome shrugged it off almost entirely, with the stump of a limb poking a 6" hole through the wall. There's that beach dome in Pensacola that survived repeated direct strikes of powerful hurricanes back in '04-'05 that just leveled every surrounding structure. The only damage it took was things like the main stairs washing away, which they were designed to do anyway. There's a story about a guy who bought a piece of land with a monolithic dome barn on it and hired a contractor to demolish it. Took the guy a solid week of whaling on it with a wrecking ball before it came down. There was a cheap knockoff version of a monolithic dome (no rebar) in Oklahoma that took a _direct_ hit by a tornado. Terribly damaged, but the structure is still intact. Lastly of course is the dome in Baghdad that served as a government office building. During the US invasion back in '03, they dropped a 5000 lb bomb on it. The bomb punched through and destroyed everything inside, but the building is still standing.

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  5. Um... by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'You're going to spend so much that honestly, it would make more sense to let it blow down and rebuild it.''

    Naturally, a bean-counter and an actual occupant might have different thoughts about that... :p

    1. Re:Um... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine insurance companies would be quite happy with it. Try insuring a cheap little car versus a Veyron, you'll soon find out which they consider to be the greater financial risk to them. Imagine if everyone in New Orleans lived in tents, albeit fairly luxurious ones...they'd all be back to normal by now (probably within weeks of Katrina in fact), instead there are still whole areas of condemned buildings which can't be economically repaired or rebuilt, years later.

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  6. They'll take.. by meglon · · Score: 2

    ... my refurbished nuclear missile silo behind 2000lb steel doors over my cold, dead, zombie, body!!

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    1. Re:They'll take.. by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They've been selling a lot of those to private citizens lately. IIRC they usually go for a couple million and they pull out all the interesting stuff, but you still get a couple of miles of underground tunnels designed to withstand a nuclear blast. The original generators were designed to run a year without contact from the outside world and there was room for a year's worth of food storage, too. Just put your own generators and fuel tanks in, restock the food supplies and you could hole up for damn near anything. Maybe even a civilization-devastating asteroid impact, as long as it's not a direct impact where you live.

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    2. Re:They'll take.. by Nimey · · Score: 2

      I toured a decommissioned Minuteman control silo at Whiteman AFB fifteen years ago. One of the things they showed us was the emergency-exit tunnel, provided in case the facility took a hit and the main elevator was knocked out. As it was described to us, it was a stump that ended in the surrounding dirt, with a shovel provided so the crew could dig their way out.

      I'd expect the average civilianized silo to have at least one of those, and probably more than one.

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    3. Re:They'll take.. by meglon · · Score: 2

      You say "exits," zombies say "place to get food."

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  7. Find a good architect by baffled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Reinforced concrete easily beats wood-frame in strength, fire, and flood-induced mold-resistance. Find a specialist to use GFRP concrete reinforcement if you want it to last centuries. Insulate with foam for water resistance, or mineral wool if you can find a contractor for it. Look at composite or metal form deck roofing for concrete strength above your head, too. You probably want a commercial contractor if you're going all out. Find an architect that knows what they're doing. For windows, you'll want them with a minimal length in at least one dimension - short in width or height, to be secure in hurricane conditions. Even then, you'd need a specialty product if you want to resist a 2x4 flying edge-first into the window. And of course, you need high ground, a well, and a generator.

    1. Re:Find a good architect by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes, a well. Which is going to be contaminated in any serious flood.

      I have a well over 120 feet deep that goes through a clap cap (well, I rent a home with...) but it's still under surface influence.

      You will need a large water tank.

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    2. Re:Find a good architect by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      Your window problem would be solved with steel shutters. The well should be sealed and high off the ground to prevent flood water from draining into it. The problem however, is all of your neighbors with un-protected wells into the same Aquifer. So you'll need to live rural, away from other people. Rather than High ground, I'd just not live anywhere near the coast. It's a nice place to visit but not a good place to keep all your stuff.

  8. Just buy an army surplus tank or armored carrier by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    Park it in the backyard, or in the front yard, if you want to annoy the neighbors. Ride out the calamity in there. If civilization is still around, you will survive when you crawl out. If not, you probably won't want to bother to stay around much longer anyway. As the summary suggests, you might just as well plan to build a new house. Or, how about moving to somewhere with a safer climate to begin with . . . ?

    Oh, and make sure your tank has Reactive Armor.

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  9. Makes you feel all warm and safe... by Zemran · · Score: 2

    ... and then you catch a deadly tropical virus off one of the cashiers at Costco and die in agony as your insides turn to liquid.

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  10. My neighbor built homes like this in Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He told me how they used reinforced concrete (iirc, rebar laced/laden), & the wildest part that got me, was they didn't use bolts to anchor the wall frames, but rather some sort of straps (personally, I'd have used BOTH, but money talk$).

    (This was done in the interests of withstanding tropical storms...)

    * Operating from memory on this, but that's what I recall from the conversation...

    What "blows my mind", is this: I've been to Europe & saw castles that have stood for 2-3 thousand years, & touched their mortar. Guess what? It's STILL solid as the day it cured & dried... tells me a lot, right there - they didn't "skimp" on using the right amount of lime in it (vs. overdoing the sand part to save a buck).

    The homes I saw in Poland were amazing too - they aren't little "wooden toothpick boxes", but instead, built almost SOLELY of cinder blocks filled with stones & concrete - then, they are overlaid with foam insuluation from the outside ontop of that, then a coating of some sort of veneer (cement type).

    I walked around and unlike homes in the U.S., where the floors 'shudder' when I walk (I weigh ~ 220 lbs)? These homes were SOLID AS A ROCK - no perceptible movement @ all, even in the UPPER floors!

    They are just built, better... better than most homes I've seen in the USA, including mine.

    APK

    P.S.=> He's been a "journeyman" carpenter in the unions for 18++ yrs. now...

    ... apk

    1. Re:My neighbor built homes like this in Florida... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Bolts concentrate stress in the base plate; straps distribute the stresses and more directly transfer load to bearing surfaces for uplift. When you do both, you run the risk of the base/sill plate failing before the straps can take the load. The house wouldn't collapse, but it might need major repairs.

  11. Brick by Lord+Lode · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Using brick instead of wood may help some. Nothing high tech about that.

    1. Re:Brick by gewalker · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know some pigs that recommend brick over wood or straw in their ability to withstand winds gusts.

    2. Re:Brick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I grew up in an area where hurricanes are simply known as winter. All the houses are made of brick and seldom suffer damage. The American fetish with expensive stick houses is really amazing.

    3. Re:Brick by Provocateur · · Score: 2

      The American fetish with expensive stick houses is really amazing.

      Indeed, and when I drive around in hurricane-prone Florida, I swear their most protective coating for hurricanes is that thin layer they call insurance.

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  12. Onestep Wall by LetterRip · · Score: 2

    I used to work for a startup company that created an amazing new block design, lays up like standard masonry and has the beauty of masonry.

    http://onestepbuildingsystem.com/what-is-onestep.html

    Has an integrated cavity that is filled with concrete and rebar, so is ridiculously strong. And the insulation seals it against water penetration (not as well as the original design which had more internal plastic, but in the water penetration testing it stood up to hurricane force driven water without leakage.)

    Also has great sound insulation, has thermal mass to the inside which drops heating and cooling costs significantly, and maintenance is fairly inexpensive.

    Not sure what choice you'd use for windows, I recall seeing some that were quite amazing 10 years ago, when I last looked, but I'm sure the market has devised some even cooler stuff since.

  13. Live forever or die trying by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or, how about moving to somewhere with a safer climate to begin with ?

    Geologically and climatologically safe places are almost always boring, empty and low-value.

    Fertile soil means flood-plains, which means floods. (Hell even deserts flood every few decades.) Too flat and you can add tornadoes. Forests and parks means fire risk, trees falling in storms, etc. Good views of the sea means storms, up to and including hurricanes, along with coastal erosion. Good views inland usually means hills and mountains, which means landslides, probably earthquakes. Rivers and valleys means floods, landslides, and wild-fire funnelling. Then you've got ice storms if you're too far north, blackouts from too many air-conditioners if you are too far south, resulting in heat-deaths. (Northern hemisphere).

    And, even if you pick well, you've only got a few decades of in-your-lifetime awareness of weather events to go on. A century or so if you make an effort to go into the records. That still leaves you fucked if you get a once-in-a-century (-or-three) event. Or if climate changes and makes your previously low risk site suddenly higher risk.

    And that's just nature. Then you've got people. Home invasion, riots, arson, government falling, invasion, zombies...

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    1. Re:Live forever or die trying by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 2

      And *my* point was that not everywhere is in America; I said mid-western USA since I'm guessing the east coast and even california etc. have records going back at least 200 years. But I live in Scotland. I know what the weather was like, in broad terms, 1000 years ago. There are battle accounts of a nearby battlefield between the Gaels and the Norse, proclaiming how it was extraordinarily cold for the time of year, as it was May and there was still a bitter frost.

      Not everywhere is in the US, not everywhere thinks 100 years is a long time.

      Where I am, aside from a lot of rain which brings with it a minor flooding element (but actually, not major, just a case of bad drainage), the climate/geophysics are very stable here. No earthquakes over a 2 on the richter scale, no volcanoes for 1000 miles, no tornadoes recorded of more than F-0, we have an occasional bad winter but it rarely blizzards (at least where I am), and rarely (once every 10 years or so) drops below -10C, so it's liveable. And that's stable over the last millenia or so. Sure, temperatures took a dive during the so-called mini-ice age in the 1600's to 1800's, and the recovery from that has often been used as evidence of climate change. Not sure it is, but it's interesting Loch Lomond used to freeze every winter, enough that you could drive a car on it in the 1960's, and has not even froze over since the late 80's, so clearly some change happening...
      That aside, we're pretty stable, and I can see that going back at least 1000 years.

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  14. Brick houses? by xaxa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are there any European-style brick houses in New England (or anywhere else) with extreme weather? (More extreme than Europe.) Are they robust enough?

    Every house I've ever lived in has been built from two layers of brick, with either an air gap (older) or fibreglass (you call it mineral wool then?) or similar between, for insulation. I live in England, so we don't need shutters, but they're normal in some places -- generally for temperature control rather than protection. A tiled roof might not do very well in a hurricane. Some small changes (strong shutters, better-attached roof) and you're almost there...

    TV reports of a house fire in Europe generally show a house with soot marks above some windows, and possibly a burnt and partially collapsed roof. They have to burn for a *long* time for walls to collapse. Flood damage means replacing all the ground-floor carpets and making sure the space under the house is dry, to avoid damp/mould. Wind damage usually means replacing a missing roof tile, but we don't get wind like America.

    (For that matter, how are the big buildings in Manhattan? They're brick or concrete and presumably don't have shutters.)

  15. Tropical Diseases? by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you say that, I immediately think of Dengue fever. It's a hemorrhagic fever with four serotypes: fun for the whole family. Unlike most diseases where catching one variant grants immunity to the others, with dengue you end up with *less* protection from the other variants. I like to think of it as "Ebola Lite", except by the time you've had it a couple times you may not appreciate the distinction.

    You can get worse things without having to make the trip to the tropics: MRSA will make your insides become your outsides at a shockingly rapid pace, and tends to cause permanent scarring in survivors. It's commonly found in hospitals! Fun fact: About half the US states do not require hospitals to report statistics on Hospital-Acquired Infections.

    I've had both (within the last year or so -- may you live in interesting times). MRSA is worse, and lots closer to home. For all the hue and cry about salmonella, only about 30 people die per year from it. In 2005, over eighteen thousand people died from MRSA -- it has a greater annual death toll than AIDS.

    If I had to pick which infection to get again, I'd probably go with "Ebola Lite". That should tell you something.

    The question of why MRSA gets less press than other diseases is left as an exercise to the reader. Support legislation on hospital infection statistics!

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  16. Then start using stone to build houses by johanw · · Score: 2

    When I see pictures of the storm damage, I notice most houses in the USA seems to be built of wood. No wonder they are not storm resistant, did they forgot the story of the 3 little pigs and the wolf? In the part of Europe I live almost all houses are built of stone, storms do cause damage but you never get complete villages completely crashed. Wood is used for garden small homes, not for the house you normally live in.