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Ask Slashdot: How To Become Informed In Judicial Elections?

First time accepted submitter yincrash writes "Today I've been looking up information on local elections and have found it virtually impossible to determine information on judicial elections, both with regards to information on the candidate, and what makes a good judge. Is there a good way to find information on these candidates? chooseyourjudges.org seems to agree that this is basically an impossible task. What do slashdotters do in an information vacuum? Just abstain from voting? Write-in something in protest?"

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  1. Complain to the Bar by roccomaglio · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Bar does not allow judge candidates to answer many of the questions you would like answered. This professional organization is choosing to require the judge candidates to withhold this information. If the candidates do not follow the rules set by the bar they could loose their law license and be ineligible to be a judge. Your only option is to complain to the Bar in hopes that they will be influenced by your complaint.

    1. Re:Complain to the Bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The comment above indicates that the BAR should have no control over candidates PERIOD. However; the basic question here is one of involvement of the electorate. I have been involved in elections for a long time including judicial ones. I too find them difficult to get real info on. The only way I know to get the information is to actually meet the judge and ask challenging questions on various issues to draw them out about how they see the process. This often also involved provocative assertations to the person about what a judge should do in certain situations.

      I guess I could observe quite accurately that voting without knowledge of what you are doing is about the equivalent to taking a machine gun and shooting it wildly about. Voters really need to take seriously and spend time on making sure that they actually learn and vote informed. Even then I must express my discontent with a system that by way of how it raises money makes even the best men and women come about like a bull with a ring in its nose. This last fact is because we allow money to come in without it being directly traced to who sent it in.

      What we need in all elections is the following rules:
      It should be illegal with high penalties for violation to give material assistance to any campaign for which you are not a qualified elector. Bluntly if you don't have the right to vote proved up and certified stay out!
      It should should be highly illegal for a political person to receive money from violators of the first rule.
      It should be required that all contrabutions must be publically reported within 24 hours of receipt.
      It should be required that No Non Voting Entities ever be allowed contribute to elections.
      Citizenship having been bought in the USA with massive expenditures of Blood and Treasure, it should be considered the highest duty and of greatest value.

    2. Re:Complain to the Bar by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Is the Bar hoping that this will keep people from voting in the elections and incumbents will always win, or does the Bar just really like rolling the dice?

    3. Re:Complain to the Bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Bar does not allow judge candidates to answer many of the questions you would like answered.

      Uh, he never stated any specific (or general) questions. So I'm assuming you're referring instead to the article he references.

      "Approximately 80% of the electorate cannot even identify any candidates for judicial office. [1] Thus, the vast majority of these voters base their decision on information from the ballot itself."

      So the problem seems to be that most of the population doesn't give a shit about being informed, and they just read the ballot info and check a box.

      Your only option is to complain to the Bar in hopes that they will be influenced by your complaint.

      Well no, that's not a fucking solution at all. The solution is not to compile a few more sentences on the ballot, it's to get people to pay attention in the first place. Part of the reason most of "that information" isn't allowed on the ballots is because it rarely tells you anything worthwhile. Judges often have to make rulings which are incredibly complex- you can truthfully say "Judge X ruled this way on 12 cases involving abortion" and make it look like the judge is on a bandwagon for one side or the other... in reality he's a fair judge but it'll take six pages to explain why he had to rule how he did. In short, there isn't enough space on the ballot to adequately explain the "why", but there's plenty of space to smear someone without actually lying.

    4. Re:Complain to the Bar by DL117 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Um, no. Unless you're question is privileged(asking for confidential information about their clients "Did Joe Smith tell you if he robbed the bank?"), they aren't prohibited from answering it. Also, there is no "the Bar", each state has it's own bar association, and it does not necessarily certify lawyers. In some states this is done by the supreme court.

      So, not true.

    5. Re:Complain to the Bar by donutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes that is a coin toss when comparing highly educated with highly experienced or two similar candidates.

      In cases like this, or where there is plainly not enough information, leave that one blank -- don't vote for either unknown. Unless your ballot stupidly requires you not to leave any races blank (are there such ballots?)

    6. Re:Complain to the Bar by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

      I did complain to the bar. Loudly. They gave me a funny look and went back to their beers.

      They cut me off shortly thereafter.

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  2. Judges should be apolitical by bitslinger_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're in a state where the vote isn't "choose between Person X and Person Y to be a judge", chances are the vote is to retain an existing judge for another term. My philosophy has been that, unless I become aware of gross misconduct (i.e. bribery, criminal prosecution, failure to recuse self when obviously interested in the case, etc.), I vote to retain

    The rationale is that the judiciary is supposed to be apolitical. If they have to go through campaigning, the way other candidates do, they become subject to campaign contributions and all the evils those entail. Leave them where they are unless they've done something obviously wrong.

    1. Re:Judges should be apolitical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My take on this is that being a judge should be a temporary appointment for a lawyer - someone with a law practice should be able to spend a year or two being a judge and then return to their law practice. Having a judicial career often gives someone way too much power in terms of both being able to decide people's fates as well as having to do reciprocal favors for others.

      So the philosophy is to vote to not retain all judges, period. I don't care what their record is, it should be a temporary appointment.

    2. Re:Judges should be apolitical by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Consider the following:

      Who nominated them- If you don't like who nominated them, that should influence retention. That should be part of public record.

      If they've had any particularly controversial rulings or decisions- letting someone out on bail over strong objections, and that someone doing something bad while bailed, or seemingly denying visitation or joint custody in family law for no good reason, that sort of thing. If you know any lawyers, sometimes they'll have something to chip in too.

      Who would appoint judges to fill the vacancy they leave- the elected official, likely the governor, will appoint to fill vacancies. If you do not like the politics of that governor or the expected successor governor, you might want to leave the devil-you-know in office, rather than the devil you don't know, especially depending on the politics of the governor that originally appointed the judge.


      Unfortunately, you pretty much need an absentee or mail-in ballot to be able to do this. I spent about three hours going through all of the ballot initiatives, school district bonds, city bonds, judges, and other contests to determine how to vote, doing research about who supported various measures, who opposed, and what they'd said about them. I had to use my computer to do the research. Voting in-person on election day would have been impossible with this number of choices.

      I strongly encourage everyone to get on the absentee-ballot list. It makes life a lot easier.

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    3. Re:Judges should be apolitical by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why aren't judges selected by the bar associations based on the political interests of the bar association?

      That is what you are really asking and with that correction to your question, I think it answers itself. The question I want to ask you is, what makes you think the bar association is an unbiased, politically disinterested organization?

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    4. Re:Judges should be apolitical by NewWorldDan · · Score: 2

      District level judges should be apolitical. However, appellete judges are inherently political, despite what they may like to pretend. They need a philosophy on the limits of government and areas that aren't explicitly spelled out in law. It would be impossible to spell out the rights of people. It's why the 9th amendment to the Constitution exists - a reminder that the Bill of Rights is incomplete.

      But even at the trial level, Judges have a lot of discretion on sentencing. Some might be very harsh in sentencing drug cases, others could be very leniant. Although, for the most part, it doesn't matter because when I voted this morning, all the judges were running unopposed. The only contested seats were on the state supreme court, where I was able to research the candidates.

  3. Re:Only interesting for eligible US citizens by ewanm89 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, in the UK we have police commissioner elections with similar problems at the moment.

  4. Check out your State Bar. by Revotron · · Score: 2

    You're not in an information vacuum - the information is there, it's just buried.

    I can't speak for every state, but here in Missouri, the Missouri Bar association runs a website which publishes recommendations from a Bar association committee based on individual performance evaluations provided by lawyers, and also reports on the technical quality of opinions written by the judge in question. They summarize their findings very nicely, provide a "Retain/Dismiss" recommendation, and cite sources for all of their claims and opinions.

    I'd recommend browsing your state's bar association website to see if they offer a similar service.

    1. Re:Check out your State Bar. by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those wondering, the website in question is http://www.showmecourts.org/

    2. Re:Check out your State Bar. by ColoradoAuthor · · Score: 2

      That information has proven quite helpful in my home states (CO and NE).

      Usually I'll vote against a judge if more than about 15% of attorneys recommend "Do Not Retain" (or 10%, if the the judge gets poor marks for impartiality). For borderline cases, first I'll look for mentions of the judge in news stories. If I'm still undecided, I'll vote against retention. Why? The vast majority of people vote to retain all of the judges, so even really bad judges stay in office. By voting against retention, I will amplify the votes of any voters who happen to know about a problem with the judge.

  5. Let libel be your guide by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2
    Cook County, Illinois, has long had a reputation for uncontested elections "down ballot", "machine" politics, and all the rest. Oh yes, and elected judges. If political officials appoint the judges, at least you know what you are getting -- vote for Party Mayor A, get judges appointed along with Mayor A's platform, and so on.

    Attending Northwestern University in Evanston, I came across a "voters guide" to the judges stuck to a lamp post. I wish I had copied it down or photographed it, it was a complete classic exercise in an unabridged and uncensored rundown of who these people are. One remark sticks in my mind nearly 40 years later, that a Cook County judge had the nickname "Fathead McGillicuddy." The colorful nature of the remarks only got better from there.

    Would that we could get the rumors and the slanders and the inuendo and the things known to the poor defense attorneys (and defendants). One can always run such "through a filter" to sort out genuine dirt from campaign hyberbole, much as we process the negative ads the major office seekers run against each other. But at least it would be something to go on.

    1. Re:Let libel be your guide by almitydave · · Score: 2

      For Cook County voters, the Chicago Tribune has published a guide to the judicial races, including recommending several circuit court judges be thrown out. One such judge was arrested in her own courtroom for battery.

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  6. What are they tough on. by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

    I do not vote for judges who claim to be "tough on drugs/drug offenders" or judges who advertise their high conviction rate. (Which is pretty much all of them.) I want correct interpretation of the law and presumption of innocence, not jails full of non-violent offenders. The last one I remember voting for advertised that she (as a private lawyer) had success getting bad laws knocked down and going after corrupt politicians. She lost.

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  7. There's info out there by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Things to check:
    - Your local bar associations often provide ratings of who they think is good.
    - Your local papers will probably have endorsements and explain why.
    - Any organizations you support may have voting guides.
    - Of course, if you've had any dealings with the court system in question, you can use your own experience to decide on incumbents at least. For example, I could intelligently vote on 1 of the judges running this year because I'd been in her courtroom as a juror.

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    1. Re:There's info out there by vlm · · Score: 2

      Your local papers will probably have endorsements and explain why.

      Finally a /. post with the correct answer. If the police chief endorses a judge in a newspaper story I won't vote for that judge, don't want a cooperative relationship between judicial and executive. They're supposed to be checks and balances on each other, not gang up together against the population (us).

      Also loudmouthed local political party hacks can't keep their mouths shut about who they like. Formal endorsements, informal suggestions, sample ballots. So vote based on that if you're a party member, or vote against the goals of one of the parties, etc.

      So much of the time people run opposed that it usually doesn't matter anyway. If there's only one candidate for assistant vice treasurer of the dog pound, well, I guess she's gonna win. This happens a lot with the local school board, who apparently aren't stupid enough to get an uprising resulting in them getting kicked out. Also local aldermen, our doesn't do much which is exactly what we all want, so he runs unopposed every time since the late 90s.

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  8. Smart Voter by Trevin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I go to http://www.smartvoter.org/ for almost all of my candidate research. You can't see a judge's prior rulings from there, but at least some of them post their priorities. If a candidate doesn't submit a profile to their database, I usually ignore them come election day.

  9. Vote against the incumbent by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't like anybody holding power for too long, and typically when a judge gets elected it's a position for life. Most attorneys are reluctant to run against a sitting judge, so many times they don't even have an opponent. So when they do have an opponent, I usually vote against the one with "Judge" in front of their name.

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    1. Re:Vote against the incumbent by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2

      There are too many exceptions to make it your only criterion, but in my area when an attorney runs against an incumbent, it's often because the incumbent is vulnerable, which is often because s/he is bad.

  10. No Contest by rossdee · · Score: 2

    In the ballot I just voted on, all or nearly all of them were running unopposed.
    But there was a space fore a write in

    This is the first US election I have voted in - I only became a citizen in 2009

    And in the last week we have had phone calls asking us to vote for "One Man One Woman"
    which was a good song, but I don't think it was Abba's best

  11. Re:Only interesting for eligible US citizens by NEW22 · · Score: 2

    This may be a bit too much in the vein of Slashdot-centric posting. Others will agree, and I may be modded up into the stratosphere. Yet I keep and will keep saying that predicting your own possible mod-point oppression is one of the major negative characteristics of Slashdot posters, besides all the positive stuff there ( still ) is.

  12. Local Bar Association by Insightfill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Certainly not a disinterested source, but the local bar association usually has a list of the judges and recommendations FOR or AGAINST many of them. I just saw the one from the Chicago Bar Association, and most of the votes were "Yes" (retain) with a few exception.

    Since the bar represents the attorneys who deal with the judges on a regular basis, I figure they likely have the most experience with judges. You can usually do a quick Google on their "no" suggestions and find plenty of juicy stories (sleeping, shouting, capricious rulings, etc.)

    Generally: in the absence of information on a topic, leave it blank.

  13. Ask a lawyer by soapee01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I asked my friend who's a general practice lawyer. He does defense work, family law etc. They tend to know all of the people running personally and are most interested in a fair and impartial judge regardless of party. Other than that I couldn't find any information online or in newspapers. The media doesn't seem to care about district/municipal judges which is incorrigible since they influence the general public more directly than any other elected official.

    1. Re:Ask a lawyer by DL117 · · Score: 2

      This. Lawyers are the ones who interact with judges, and who understand these issues, Ask a lawyer or look on a bar associations website.

  14. For Arizonans, try http://www.azjudges.info/ by bjdevil66 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I came across this site while doing research as well.

    From the site:

    The Arizona Commission on Judicial Performance Review sets performance standards for the judges appointed through the merit selection process, decides whether or not a judge meets those standards, and reports its findings to you, the voters when a judge is up for retention.

    The Commission collects information on how judges perform by distributing written surveys and holding public hearings for people who have first-hand knowledge of the job performance of judges appearing on the 2012 general election ballot. More than 57,000 surveys on Arizona judges were distributed in 2011. The Commission also accepts written comments at any time about the performance of judges.

    The survey responses are compiled by an independent data center and the results are given to the Commission. Its members review all the information on each judge and vote whether the judge MEETS or DOES NOT MEET judicial performance standards. When the Commission votes, the judges' names are encoded so that members do not know which judge they are voting on until all the votes are counted.

    It came in pretty handy. Perhaps other states have similar web sites?

  15. You need to care more than every four years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to make an informed decision concerning judicial candidates there is regrettably only one thing you can do: dedicate a painful amount of time to seeing how they act in court first hand. Looking at rulings and public records does almost nothing to break down what goes on in the court on a day to day basis or communicate the prejudices and attitude of the judicial candidates. If you want to know who you should vote for you have to see them in action. This isn't really an option for most people, but luckily many communities have a dedicated group of volunteers who regularly attend court for no other purpose than providing information to the public concerning not only the activities of the judge but of the court in general.

    When I first became a court stenographer I noticed that the same few people seemed to be in the gallery every day. I eventually found out that they were volunteers from a local judicial monitoring group that tried to keep the public apprised of what went on in their courts. Over a decade later I happened to recognize one of the ladies at my churches sewing circle. I found out that they, (mostly retirees with some connection to the legal system; wives and parents of law enforcement or even former DA's and attorneys) try to have someone at every public hearing, but that for the most part people don't seem to care what goes on in their courts. She told me that while it's hard to find someone to attend it's even harder to get the public interested in what is going on.

    Look at the local newspaper, many publish information that will help you find such a group. You might find an advertisement seeking "court watchers" as they call themselves or even a quarterly report they pay to publish. Contact anyone you know who has an affiliation with the local court system and they will likely be able to tell you directly, or point you to someone who can, if their is such a group in your area. Too often people only think of their courts when they're in them, I for one am glad your interested.

  16. Oregon one incumbent canidate law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oregon has a fun law passed during WW-I when most voters(men only) were unavailable requiring all lawyers running for office to be members of the state bar association. The state bar association by its rules will disbar anyone running against a sitting judge in Oregonthem disqualifying. That is why unless there is a vacated seat you never get more than one choice in Oregon. In Soviet Oregon Judges vote for who you can vote for.

  17. Re:Personally by jittles · · Score: 2

    I abstain from voting for anyone or anything I do believe I have a basic understanding of. And if the only person running for a position is the incumbent, then I absolutely refuse to vote. I'd love to have the incumbent look at the paper the next day, see his 50 votes and think "Hmm maybe these people don't really like me at all?" Maybe it will encourage someone to run against them in the next election? It never happens though, people seem to default to filling out the only choice if there is only one choice.

  18. Judges don't make policy by SirGarlon · · Score: 3

    A friend of mine is a small-town judge. He's elected, but it's a part-time job (10 hours per week I think). He's judge in the town where he lives and works as an attorney in a neighboring town.

    In his small town, my friend got elected because the town councilmen asked him to run. They'd worked with him in his day job (where he was representing a company trying to get permits in the town and whatnot) and thought he was a good guy. This is how things get done on a local level: the local officials say "we need a new judge" (or registrar of deeds or whatnot) and pick someone they think is level-headed and responsible.

    What I'm trying to say is that unless you are plugged into local politics, it probably does not make much difference to you whether your new judge is someone the Republicans think is a good guy, or someone the Democrats think is a good guy. You'll get a good guy either way -- unless of course all the members of one party are a bunch of jerks, in which case you don't trust their judgment and want the other guy.

    At the local level, some of these positions are just a popularity contest. I usually abstain because I have never lived in one place long enough to know who's who.

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  19. State Supreme Court by zerosomething · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least for your states Supreme Court you can lookup their written decisions. Sometimes Wikipedia has a listing of individual judges and their decisions for your state. Pick an issue you know when to the state court and lookup the decision. Each state should have these decisions online in some form. Try searching for keywords like Abortion, Marijuana, Alcohol (Wine shipments to your state and microbrew issues). In Indiana we are trying to vote out "Steven H. David" for his decision stating "We hold that there is no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers." http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/05121101shd.pdf

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  20. Judges *do* make policy by dkleinsc · · Score: 3

    Not as much as, say, a legislator or mayor, but judges definitely are part of the political process. For example, right now, judges in the Bronx are heavily involved in the stop-and-frisk policy debate, mostly because they've been throwing out bogus "trespassing" charges caused by the police randomly harassing people in the hallways of public housing projects.

    Good judges see their role as the umpire calling balls and strikes, but like umpires the size of the strike zone varies a bit: Some are more friendly to prosecutors / plaintiffs, some more friendly to defendants. Some are more concerned about taking the time to ensure fairness, some are more concerned with not wasting the court's valuable time with trivialities. Some will be faced with completely unprecedented sets of facts where there isn't good guidance from the legislature or legal precedent, and under those circumstances only have their own opinions and sense of fairness to draw on. Some will be more strict about when they should recuse themselves than others.

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  21. /. Audience: 28% USA based by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't you kind of expect that there's going to be some of that on a US-based site with a largely US-based membership?

    Alexa.com puts Slashdot audience as 27.6% from USA, closely followed by India at 25.8%. Then are Canada and UK at about 5% each and the last third consists of long tail of countries (Germany, France, Pakistan, Australia...) with less than 3% each. So while USA, making up one fourth of the audience, is the largest single group, the "largerly US-based membership" seems a bit misleading. Are those statistics accurate? I don't know but they're the best ones available to us as /. hasn't commented on this at all, aside from the decade old faq entry.

    That all said, I (being from Europe) don't mind US-centric stories: My reasons for reading Slashdot are, to some extent, similar to my reasons for watching the daily show. It offers nice glimpses to the society on that side of the ocean.

    1. Re:/. Audience: 28% USA based by mooingyak · · Score: 3, Funny

      My reasons for reading Slashdot are, to some extent, similar to my reasons for watching the daily show. It offers nice glimpses to the society on that side of the ocean.

      In that case, we're batshit crazy, but not in the ways you think we are.

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  22. Re:Personally by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok dude my ballot was 4 pages long. Not even 8.5x11 pages long. None of the judges had opposition. Most of the local people did not either. If I don't have the time or the energy to run for one of those positions, what am I supposed to do? Force someone to run at gun point? And I didn't say that I vote blindly. I said I abstain from voting when I do not understand an issue. I would think you could be okay with that. At least I am not going down the ballot marking every single D or R on the ballot. But if you're not okay with it, I don't care. It's my right to vote, and I will do so how I see fit. At least I try to tackle the important issues and ignore the ones that I don't have the time to address.

  23. Bar Voter Guides. by GodInHell · · Score: 2

    As a litigator, I have trouble advising people on how to vote on any given judge. There are some judges I would like to see removed from the bench - simply because they're bad (don't read motions, show up late, don't listen to argument, make their decision when they receive the Complaint, ignore case law when it suits them, are consistently head-shakingly wrong, etc) - others I would like to see removed because their courtroom demeanor or procedure slow down cases and make litigation much more expensive.

    Now here's the problem -- I can't tell you who these judges are. I won't even say anything about them when I can do so anonymously. Why? Because I know most of them will still be judges next week, and I'll have to appear before them. (remember, these are the /bad/ judges). The best I can do is pass around the local bar association's voter guide. Because the folks that write that guide are all attorneys the packet is mostly a bland recitation that most judges are qualified, occasionally with a very soft rebuke "needs to work on being more efficient and prepared" with the worst of the worst bad actors singled out at the ends as "not qualified."

    Saddly, I think the informed voters get lost in the shuffle of folks that just show up and hit yes on every judge's retention ballot. /sigh