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Ask Slashdot: Extreme Cable Management?

An anonymous reader writes "I am not a fan of wireless except for Wi-Fi to a notebook, but have gotten frustrated by the vast amounts of tangled cables around my computers: I have two machines, four monitors, multiple external hard drives, cable modem, network switch, router, USB hubs — everything requires power and connection to the other devices. The tangles and tangles make it almost impossible to move anything without spending twenty or thirty minutes under the desk. I'd rather untie balled-up fishing line than try to snake a monitor cable out from some thirty or so other wires. Anyone have good ways to prevent this?"

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  1. uh, label both ends? by swschrad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have also been caught using colored CAT-5 cables.

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    1. Re:uh, label both ends? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have also been caught using colored CAT-5 cables.

      This.

      Just recently picked up three Cat-6 Ethernet cables from Monoprice and redid my network connections. No longer will I have to figure out which beige cable goes where. Now using bright red to my main desktop, green to the secondary machine (10' each), and got a black 3' cable to the blu-ray player now (this is all on one desk). The colors will stand out compared to all the black power/monitor/usb cables in the mess, too if I'm de-tangling lines..

      Also, as to the subject line I've been doing that for years with home entertainment components. Label the power cables at the mains plug/AC adapter (and at the other end if it can be detached from the device). No questions about what I'm unplugging under the desk when I need to move/change something, and no worries about accidentally plugging the wrong AC adapter plug into a device and potentially frying it.

      The other thing I'd recommend is shorten cables where you can. The standard cable length may be between four and 10 feet for everything, but if you don't need it save lines. I have a one-foot Ethernet cable connecting the cable modem and the router (they are right next to each other after all).

  2. Wire ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy wire ties, or flex-tubing, or some other sub $20 cable management and stop leaving your loose wires to get tangled?

    1. Re:Wire ties by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buy wire ties, or flex-tubing, or some other sub $20 cable management and stop leaving your loose wires to get tangled?

      Yes. Reusable cable ties, because you never know when you'll need to add another cable and don't really want to keep replacing cable ties.

      Rubber bands eventually dry out and fall apart. Electrical and duct tapes leave a gummy mess. If it's a single cable and going to be along a wall for a while, get some of those little nail in cable holders from the hardware store, put then in along the baseboard, to keep your CAT5 out of the vacuum cleaner.

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    2. Re:Wire ties by flirno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use velcro ties.

    3. Re:Wire ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Buy a roll of velcro and a pair of scissors or use black innerduct.

    4. Re:Wire ties by guttentag · · Score: 2

      I like these: Scotch Cord Organizer Straps

      Found them at Target a couple years ago, haven't had an issue with cords since then. They have a soft felt on one side, tiny hooks (smaller than normal velcro) on the other and aren't as bulky as regular velcro. Use them to bundle the cords together at regular intervals so they can't get tangled. Or loop excess cord and use this stuff to hold it in a loop.

  3. I do not advocate by alphatel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I cannot ask you to view cableporn as it is very addictive.

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    1. Re:I do not advocate by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I advocate this: learn from other people's mistakes. http://www.reddit.com/r/cablefail

  4. Binder clips by slaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stole a bunch of large-ish binder clips from work. I binder clip stuff together. Binder clips have loops, so I stuck some screws in the underside of my desk and hung the binder clips with excess cable on them.

    It's not super-pretty but it works just fine.

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  5. Trays and back-access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Set up your desk so that you can easily go behind. Get several layers of trays running along the back - along with a few larger trays to hold things like power bricks. Get some coloured tape, and match opposite ends with colour, or some other useful scheme.

    I've screwed big old rectangular plastic food containers to my desk at home, underneath the main surface, and it works great and keeps my cat from strangling herself. At work, I have three layers of long metal trays as well as power-strips. I also have a pile of colour-coded velcro cable ties.

    It wasn't always this way... I just got sick of taking 30 minutes to change simple connections. Now it is much better.

  6. Never move a cable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unplug it and use a new one wherever you're moving to.
    If the location you're moving to has an unused spare cable, use it.

  7. Something tells me you don't work in IT by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> vast amounts of tangled cables

    Really? How many?

    >> I have two machines, four monitors, multiple external hard drives, cable modem, network switch, router, USB hubs — everything requires power and connection

    Hmmm...something tells me you don't work in IT.

    1. Re:Something tells me you don't work in IT by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for a *home* installation, that is rather a lot of stuff to have plugged in at a single desk.

      That being said, there's wisdom to what you're saying about him not working in IT anyway... somebody in IT would probably opt for a monitor with a built-in USB hub, if they needed a USB hub at all. Worth their weight in gold, for how much space they save, and there are powered USB hubs built into some monitors (they draw power from the monitor's power connection). If you need a USB hub at all, that is... the 2.4GHz wireless dongle for my keyboard/mouse is plugged in to the back of my desktop, and the front connectors (2 USB2.0, 2 USB3.0) are plenty for the rare occasions I need to plug a thumb drive or external hard drive in. Haven't ever needed a USB hub.

      Similarly, for persistent storage, most people who work in IT wouldn't opt for "multiple external hard drives", they'd opt for a NAS setup of some sort. There's some very inexpensive options available on the market, and having a decent NAS or two connected by GigE or faster should be significantly more useful than swapping USB drives. And don't argue about storage capacity... the off-the-rack diskless Buffalo NAS I'm using has space for two 3.5" SATA drives, and is running Linux, so the advertised "3TB" limit for drive size is most likely because you can't get drives bigger than that yet, not because it's actually a limit. A 6TB NAS should be plenty of space for most home use right now, and it's trivially easy to add more as needed.

      For network switch/router/cable modem, you could at the very least drop the switch by replacing the router with one that has the appropriate ethernet speed built in to it. GigE routers have been available for quite some time, now. And if you need more than 4 ports of GigE, then there's no reason the switch can't be in a completely different part of the house. Come to it, there's no reason the cable modem can't be elsewhere as well. You could also check with your cable provider about replacing the modem... lots of providers now have cable modems with built-in wireless routers and GigE switches, so you might be able to replace 3 devices with 1. From the description in TFS, it certainly doesn't sound like you need that many Ethernet ports... there's no mention of NAS, printer, TV/STB, or stereo, only the two computers which would require an Ethernet connection.

      As for 2 machines, 4 monitors, cable ties is probably the best suggestion I can make, though depending on the monitor you're using it may be possible to daisychain the displays and use a single cable to drive both of them. One of the many advantages of displayport... you can have a single cable running to a splitter, and drive two monitors from a single output on the computer.

      So I guess, responding to the original question (of course, far enough down that nobody will read it), I'd say the first suggestion for how to deal with extreme cable management is to minimize the number of extra cables that don't really serve a function. The second would be to use tie wraps (preferably reusable) to bundle similar cables so you don't have to go fishing if one fails.

  8. Rack Cabinet by angusnightman · · Score: 2

    Have you considered a rack cabinet? Something like that should be able to address some of these problems.

  9. Move things less. by Hatta · · Score: 3

    Why are you moving things around so often? I have an eight port KVM that's filled up, and cabling is a disaster behind the computers. But that's where they live, and once they're there, I have no reason to move them until I move to a new home.

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    1. Re:Move things less. by FriendlyStatistician · · Score: 2

      Buy a second power brick.

  10. Move it out of the way. by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Specifically, the network switch, modem, router, etc. should be moved to the basement if you have one, or a dedicated area. You should almost never touch them, so get them off your desk.

    Ditto for all the removable hard drives. Buy a little server with a crapload of storage (or a NAS) and put it in the basement with the network boxes. Access it remotely.

    Get a wireless keyboard and mouse, hook it to a 2-port KVM. Move the computers under or behind the desk.

    That way the only thing on the desk is the (wireless) keyboard & mouse, a USB hub and the monitors. Those cables should go right down behind the desk to the monitor and power strip.

    If, for some reason, you use optical media frequently, plug a USB-based drive into the hub and leave it on the desk. You should almost never have to touch the computers at that point, so why have them in the way?

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  11. Mount that clutter! by Ichijo · · Score: 2

    You could get the cable modem and router (and their cables and AC adapters) off your desk by attaching them to pegboard mounted to a wall or under your desk. Be sure to mount a power strip, too.

    If you want something a little more professional looking, you could go all rackmount.

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  12. Google by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Informative

    & Lifehacker have got you more than covered: http://lifehacker.com/364054/top-10-ways-to-get-cables-under-control

  13. don't be a chump by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Informative

    velcro cable ties

    Whoa, dude, are you made of money?!!

    You can get 45 feet of Velcro ties for like $3 over in the garden center.

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    1. Re:don't be a chump by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

      velcro cable ties

      Whoa, dude, are you made of money?!!

      You can get 45 feet of Velcro ties for like $3 over in the garden center.

      Looks like someone confused Velcro the company with Velcro the "stuff". 45 feet of that and not an inch of it will stick to any other... You can get velcro the stuff at HD but dont bother with the garden variety (hah) get the version in the electrical/electronic aisle. It will run you closer to $6: find it here

    2. Re:don't be a chump by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      The stuff I'm talking about is still hook & loop fastener. Granted, it's not as "fuzzy" as the common Velcro stuff, so it doesn't grip quite as well.

      The advantages are that it should be readily available and dirt cheap. Wrap around twice if you're concerned it doesn't have enough hold.

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  14. You have a trivial problem not an extreme one. by harl · · Score: 2

    First off you have a trivial cable set up. You're orders of magnitude from "extreme."

    With the setup you mention there's almost an infinite amount of solutions. Tape, twist ties, tubes, velcro, hooks, labels, etc.

    Almost anything will work. Basically you have a laziness problem. When you ran the cable you didn't label it, or loop and tie, or use a cable hook, or do anything.

    I use hooks for mouse and keyboard. Long net cables are wound and tied. Power cables are velcroed together near the PDU.

    Honestly all you have to do is anything but what you're doing is adding cables with no organization.

    When you're up to thousands of cables come back and we can talk about extreme solutions.

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  15. ...and don't forget... by msauve · · Score: 3, Funny

    cover all your cables with this stuff.

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    1. Re:...and don't forget... by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Be sure to buy the large bucket of it. Leave any extra nearby your computer. You might want to pick up a box or two of tissues.

  16. Nail velcro strips to the back of your desk by SpankyDaMonkey · · Score: 2

    Disclaimer - I run installations in a datacentre so I do this for a living.

    Nail velcro to the back of your desk, instant cable guides and tidy. Velcro excess in to loops. Use a lot of velcro. Plan and execute a labelling scheme - either paper that you sellotape over the top of, or a proper brady label for every cable. Use dymo labels for every plug and AC-adapter so you know what each of them hooks up to.

    Yes it's a pain. Plan on taking half a day to do it properly. Document it as you go if you can. Remember all you need is to do it properly once.

    If it's stuff that you plan on taking with you for travel / work - get a second adapter / set of cables. Keep those in the bag so you only need to move the device. The cost of your time messing around trying to untangle behind your desk is worth a spare usb lead or several.

  17. Labels are half the issue. by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Labeling helps you if you need to unplug or move one cable, but it's still a mess if you need to remove a cable from the snarl, as when replacing components or swapping out a bad cable. The answer to that is to eliminate all the extra wire that causes the snarl by taking up the slack. There are a bunch of gadgets that can be used for that. My personal preference are the velcro cable ties. I wrap the excess cord around my fingers and then wrap it with the velcro tie to keep it out of the way. I like them because they're reusable, cheap and can be used when storing cables as well.

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    1. Re:Labels are half the issue. by aztracker1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      +1 for velcro cable ties... I will also put a couple strips of vecro on the underside and back of my desk.. once you've got the cable wrapped, it just sits against the desk out of the way... works great... same for the back of my entertainment center.. also, my surge strips are often velcroed to the inside/back of the desk, so that they are closer to the devices... much less clutter. usually have one trunk of cables coming up from my tower as the only visible from the front.

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  18. Unless you have rabbits. by Jaywalk · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have pet rabbits -- or any other critters that chew cables out of instinct -- you need to cover your cables with this stuff. We had one chew through a lamp cord and it dang near cooked the little beast.

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    1. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by gtbritishskull · · Score: 4, Funny

      We had one chew through a lamp cord and it dang near cooked the little beast.

      Sounds delicious.

    2. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really don't want to be electrocuting rabbits. They are best stewed or braised.

    3. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by PerformanceDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No need to waste money on something like that. Buy a Jalapeno, slice it open with a knife and rub it along the length of cable. Our cat used to chew into cables. Not anymore.... Poor thing soon learned that chomping on a cable meant a very quick trip to the water bowl. May sound cruel, but is sure better than a dead cat.

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    4. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by c0lo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really don't want to be electrocuting rabbits. They are best stewed or braised.

      Argh! What's he doing! Stupid fat hobbit. You ruins it!

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    5. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I misread that at first, until you started mentioning the "poor thing part" I read it as "no need to waste money on that. Buy a Jalepeno, slice it open (the rabbit) and run it along the length of cable." It didn't look right in my head.

    6. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by neiljt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time to introduce cat 6

  19. Re:Shorter cables are the other half. by satch89450 · · Score: 2

    I found that when I bought a bunch of 3-foot power cords, the power part of the cable tangle became much less of an issue. Using a long power strip (like the ones used in the sides of racks) also helps the snarl. For the rest, judicious use of velcro cable ties helps. Espeically when you have a chewing cat, like I do!

  20. Extreme Cable Management? by Alotau · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worst X-games event ever.

  21. Take a couple of hours to start over. by RPI+Geek · · Score: 2

    Take this opportunity to reorganize and clean up your desk, you're going to start fresh!

    1) Disconnect everything and clean up on/around your desk. Dust your monitors, wipe down the surface, move any papers that are piled up. When I dealt with rat nests of wires, I never was able to vacuum/dust. Do it now when it is easiest.
    2) Put your desk on sliders. Even the heaviest hardwood desk on carpet becomes easy to move alone when you do this. If you're on hardwood or some other surface, clean around the desk before moving it, or you'll scratch it up.
    3) Leave the desk away from the wall so you can get behind it. Set up everything exactly how you want it, but leave the loose cables wherever you put them before and leave the other cables (mouse, keyboard) bundled up next to their owners.

    Now you're ready for the fun part!
    Think about how you want to route the cables; that means don't let them touch the floor! I love routing them under the desk surface in the back because they're pretty much invisible and the cats don't chew on them. If you have a cheap fiberboard desk like I do, consider using screw-in hooks (use a small nail to make a pilot hole). If you have a metal/glass or an otherwise nice desk, use sticky hooks (3M Command hooks are usually too big - I like cable tie mounts with zip/twist ties set into a loose loop).
    Start with the cables for the devices you'll move the least; this probably means your power strip, modem & router, and other network cables (I like to mount these to the side/back of my desk so they're out of the way but close to everything - this is especially important with the power strip). Move on to the monitors & speakers, then the external hard drives & USB hubs. The last things you want to hook up are probably your keyboard & mouse.

    1) Once you've connected the device, stop and take a look at the cables; anything that you can group together, wrap it in spiral cable wrap, starting at the device and going back. Two network cables from the router to your towers? Wrap them together. Your monitor's DVI & power cables? Wrap them. Be sure to give yourself enough length of wrapped cable so you can move your devices around as far as you think you'll want to.
    2) Now you take up any slack in the cable by bundling it - just be sure to leave a little bit of slack in the cable - just enough so it has a nice bend radius at the computer/router/wall. Hang the bundles together from a hook/anchor in an inconspicuous place. Use N+1 ties so you can get at it later - one for the hook/anchor, and one for each bundle (I especially love using twist ties for this part):
    - For small DC cables, wrap the extra length neatly around 4 fingers, flatten the bundle. Secure with a twist / zip / velcro tie.
    - For bigger cables, hold it in your palm and keep reversing direction across your palm - leave a reasonable bend radius. Secure it as above.
    - For network cables; buy a crimping tool and learn to use it.

    Push your desk back into place and you're done! Use weighted cable managers or adhesive to hold USB hubs from falling off your desk and enjoy!

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