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Ask Slashdot: Extreme Cable Management?

An anonymous reader writes "I am not a fan of wireless except for Wi-Fi to a notebook, but have gotten frustrated by the vast amounts of tangled cables around my computers: I have two machines, four monitors, multiple external hard drives, cable modem, network switch, router, USB hubs — everything requires power and connection to the other devices. The tangles and tangles make it almost impossible to move anything without spending twenty or thirty minutes under the desk. I'd rather untie balled-up fishing line than try to snake a monitor cable out from some thirty or so other wires. Anyone have good ways to prevent this?"

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  1. uh, label both ends? by swschrad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have also been caught using colored CAT-5 cables.

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    1. Re:uh, label both ends? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have also been caught using colored CAT-5 cables.

      This.

      Just recently picked up three Cat-6 Ethernet cables from Monoprice and redid my network connections. No longer will I have to figure out which beige cable goes where. Now using bright red to my main desktop, green to the secondary machine (10' each), and got a black 3' cable to the blu-ray player now (this is all on one desk). The colors will stand out compared to all the black power/monitor/usb cables in the mess, too if I'm de-tangling lines..

      Also, as to the subject line I've been doing that for years with home entertainment components. Label the power cables at the mains plug/AC adapter (and at the other end if it can be detached from the device). No questions about what I'm unplugging under the desk when I need to move/change something, and no worries about accidentally plugging the wrong AC adapter plug into a device and potentially frying it.

      The other thing I'd recommend is shorten cables where you can. The standard cable length may be between four and 10 feet for everything, but if you don't need it save lines. I have a one-foot Ethernet cable connecting the cable modem and the router (they are right next to each other after all).

    2. Re:uh, label both ends? by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 1

      I use this stuff:
      http://www.walmart.com/ip/Velcro-50pk-Rip-Tie-Cable-Ties-Black-Gray/16517608

      I use it at work, home, in my portable gear, in projects, etc... I used it extensively when I was building a $100K test stand and needed to run bunched of wires and cables before zipping everything down. It's great for building prototypes, and I used quite a few when wiring up my home entertainment system in a "Metro" style rack. It let's me (or my wife) upgrade our gear and our system layout without any fuss. No cutting zip ties, no getting cut on zip ties, no having to go buy more zip ties.

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    3. Re:uh, label both ends? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Exactly how does labelling a cable prevent if from getting tangled?

    4. Re:uh, label both ends? by plover · · Score: 1

      Exactly how does labelling a cable prevent if from getting tangled?

      By helping you recognize where it goes.

      Imagine 10 identical gray network cables plugged into a switch that needs replacing. As you start pulling cables out, you can unplug them in order from one end to the other, or from the middle to the outsides, and after replacing the device, restore them in reverse order. Your chances of adding to the tangle goes down.

      Or imagine a set of eight similar black USB cables plugged into the back of a PC. Some of the cables head left towards the printer and the scanner, some head up to the keyboard and monitor area, and some head right to the workbench. You pull the PC out to work on it. When you have to return it, you can keep the cables going to the left devices together, the cables going to the right devices together, and the cables going to the keyboard devices together.

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    5. Re:uh, label both ends? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Do you have a source for that? And I mean a real technical authority. Not what some guy said on a random web forum.

      The only info I'm seeing from checking some results on Google says there is a minimum for half-duplex GigE connections, related to preventing false positives on collision detection, and possible minimums for PoE connections. And other results were people are making unsourced statements.

      Connections under three feet in length are used in data centers all the time to patch between pieces of equipment on racks.

  2. Wire ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy wire ties, or flex-tubing, or some other sub $20 cable management and stop leaving your loose wires to get tangled?

    1. Re:Wire ties by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buy wire ties, or flex-tubing, or some other sub $20 cable management and stop leaving your loose wires to get tangled?

      Yes. Reusable cable ties, because you never know when you'll need to add another cable and don't really want to keep replacing cable ties.

      Rubber bands eventually dry out and fall apart. Electrical and duct tapes leave a gummy mess. If it's a single cable and going to be along a wall for a while, get some of those little nail in cable holders from the hardware store, put then in along the baseboard, to keep your CAT5 out of the vacuum cleaner.

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    2. Re:Wire ties by flirno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use velcro ties.

    3. Re:Wire ties by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Velcro. Available at the hardware store.

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    4. Re:Wire ties by careysb · · Score: 1

      +1 Velcro, the way to go

    5. Re:Wire ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Buy a roll of velcro and a pair of scissors or use black innerduct.

    6. Re:Wire ties by guttentag · · Score: 2

      I like these: Scotch Cord Organizer Straps

      Found them at Target a couple years ago, haven't had an issue with cords since then. They have a soft felt on one side, tiny hooks (smaller than normal velcro) on the other and aren't as bulky as regular velcro. Use them to bundle the cords together at regular intervals so they can't get tangled. Or loop excess cord and use this stuff to hold it in a loop.

    7. Re:Wire ties by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      They're fantastic. If you're in Canada (well, US too, I suppose), this is a much better price. If you're a serious woodworker or gardener, you may know about this place already. Ikea also has some nice cabling solutions.

    8. Re:Wire ties by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Personally I like to use zip ties for anything I know I'm not going to change anytime soon, but for HT and PC Velcro is great. I've found that Monoprice* has a pretty good selection of colors and types for reasonable prices.

      *I have no affiliation with Monoprice.

    9. Re:Wire ties by colin_faber · · Score: 1

      +1 for Velcro cable ties. They can be picked up at your local big box store for next to nothing and do a great job wrapping bundles of cables.

      I've even seen these used in very large (peta scale) compute installations for the same task.

    10. Re:Wire ties by Pope · · Score: 1

      How about: stop moving things around so much?

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    11. Re:Wire ties by slew · · Score: 1

      Yes to velcro cable ties. The supposedly reusable plastic cable ties are mostly just releaseable, not reusable. You can also staple/nail right through the vecro anywhere you want and don't have to deal with the nail-in plastic cable holders.

    12. Re:Wire ties by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Indeed, most cables you get already come with wire ties. Instead of just throwing away the tie and unraveling the whole length, you should only lengthen the cable as much as you need, then use the tie to secure the rest. If you happen to need the whole length, then wrap the wire tie around the cable end. You can use it later when you either need less, or you need to put the whole cable away. (Keeping your cables tied up when you put things in a drawer or box helps prevent creating a tangled mess of cable spaghetti.)

      And when you plug in something new, take care to route the cable in a sensible way. Don't just thread it through wherever there's space, but try to put it below things more likely to move, and above things less likely to move, and together with similarly-routed cables.

      Having said all this, if you have enough gadgets, you will end up with some cable mess. Either live with it, or deal with spending time to clean it up (and undo/redo it each time stuff shifts around).

    13. Re:Wire ties by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      You can generally find these at home depot, and other home improvement stores... The ties do attach to velcro on the back/underside of a desk if you buy the sticky backed bulk stuff for that purpose.

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    14. Re:Wire ties by nickersonm · · Score: 1

      Yes. You can buy cheap rolls of velcro strap marketed for use as plant-ties in the gardening section of hardware stores.

    15. Re:Wire ties by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      keep your CAT5 out of the vacuum cleaner.

      Second that. Cat's tend to clog up vacuum cleaners.

      On a serious note, I use those lead/plastic things that hold the cables together in the packaging. They're easy to undo, add/remove a cable, then retwist.

    16. Re:Wire ties by unitron · · Score: 1

      Those are basically the same thing that hot soldering iron recommended a little further up the page, except for about the same price you get 50 of them instead of 6.

      I used to use them to keep Low-Z mic cables coiled when the mics weren't in use and to keep KVM cables bunched and tool power cords from snaking out to try to get tangled up with each other.

      If you're going to spend nearly a dollar each you might as well get the multicolor pack. Check Lowes or Home Depot if you're allergic to Wal-Mart.

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    17. Re:Wire ties by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      $4.39 for a pack of 8??? You can get these in 50 packs for $5 from Walmart, Home Depot and others.

    18. Re:Wire ties by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      Hmm, reusable cable ties.

      Sounds kinda like ... string?

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    19. Re:Wire ties by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1

      Cable ties cost next to nothing, hold the bundle much tighter than Velcro, and don't get dirty like Velcro does. In my home recording studio, the cables secured by velcro need too-frequent adjustment. The cables slide back and forth inside the bundle. The cable-tied bundles don't have this issue.

    20. Re:Wire ties by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      For desktop stuff, I have a solution to that: I have a small plywood shelf unit (think: post office mailbox sized shelves/boxes). Devices sit inside the box. Cables are threaded in through the back of the box, and excess length gets cinch tied into the box with the adapter plug. Right now I've got a 6x5 cubby cube, about 1.5'x2' in size. The power for the unit is on a surge protector bar, which is screwed into the wall above it. Excess cord (if there is any) dangles behind the desk in a natural loop. (I've also used cinch ties to make sure that power bricks hanging this way do not lose the power cord from their rear.)

      As for networking:
      Get 5 different cable colors and then each bundle needs to have no more than 5 cables. You then take those bundles of 5, which are small enough and convenient enough to neatly bundle or wrap in and of themselves, and bundle them together

      Typically, I've found, you need 1 to 3 bundles per rack. Any extra runs can just hide or dangle free; it's still less mess. (If you're doing central switching instead of the more preferable top of rack switching, it's a bit of a pain in the ass. ) These bundles then get labeled - with a simple number. I can quickly figure out where something is plugged in by looking for that bundle on the switch and the appropriate color.

      I prefer to do my bundling exclusively with Velcro but quick ties work pretty well at the 'switch side' of the cable to keep everything tight and neat, too.

      (Or do bundles of 8 or something like that with 8 colors, whatever. 5 works out pretty well with pre-existing cables sometimes, too, though - red, blue, green, grey, black).

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    21. Re:Wire ties by bjs555 · · Score: 1

      Buy a roll of #22 solid insulated wire. When you need to wrap cables together, cut off a piece and use it as a twist tie. The wire is more durable than the ties that come with bread bags, garbages bags, etc.

    22. Re:Wire ties by crispin_bollocks · · Score: 1

      Or buy lettuce and get free velcro. I have a stash of velcro, twist ties and rubber bands in a bowl on the kitchen counter.

    23. Re:Wire ties by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      If the setup is reasonably permanent, Cable Lacing works well and it is easy and cheap. Waxed dental tape works great.

  3. I do not advocate by alphatel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I cannot ask you to view cableporn as it is very addictive.

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    1. Re:I do not advocate by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I advocate this: learn from other people's mistakes. http://www.reddit.com/r/cablefail

    2. Re:I do not advocate by guttentag · · Score: 1

      Nice link! Found "A Supercomputer In A Church" in Barcelona there. Wow...

    3. Re:I do not advocate by GNious · · Score: 1

      These look pretty low-tech and simple ... I should post my mess of a home-theater setup >:)

  4. Binder clips by slaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stole a bunch of large-ish binder clips from work. I binder clip stuff together. Binder clips have loops, so I stuck some screws in the underside of my desk and hung the binder clips with excess cable on them.

    It's not super-pretty but it works just fine.

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    1. Re:Binder clips by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I stole a bunch of large-ish binder clips from work. I binder clip stuff together. Binder clips have loops, so I stuck some screws in the underside of my desk and hung the binder clips with excess cable on them.

      It's not super-pretty but it works just fine.

      I never use binder clips for wire/cables. So much better for keeping my bags of chips, salad, tortillas, french bread, etc. closed. Darn useful things, ain't they?

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    2. Re:Binder clips by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      Cheap indeed but for speed of installation and recently bought a couple of packs of these Cablox which were a breeze to use.

      To clear my desk I put the monitor on a wall with a cantilever bracket and colour-coded the Cat 6 cables ensuring they were all the correct length (most were too long previously).

      Using hardware that you can fix to the wall helps particularly when using switches with more then 4 ports as the bend radius of data cables plus the power connector on the opposite side increase the diameter of the router to 15 inches or more. Get that stuff on the wall just below desk level to avoid visual clutter and to keep the cables off the floor.

  5. Trays and back-access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Set up your desk so that you can easily go behind. Get several layers of trays running along the back - along with a few larger trays to hold things like power bricks. Get some coloured tape, and match opposite ends with colour, or some other useful scheme.

    I've screwed big old rectangular plastic food containers to my desk at home, underneath the main surface, and it works great and keeps my cat from strangling herself. At work, I have three layers of long metal trays as well as power-strips. I also have a pile of colour-coded velcro cable ties.

    It wasn't always this way... I just got sick of taking 30 minutes to change simple connections. Now it is much better.

    1. Re:Trays and back-access. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Also, don't try to concentrate everything in the same place. Put plugstrips on both sides of the desk, use the "pop up ports" for things that aren't fixed location like laptops. Get those multi-port USB chargers (there are 4-port ones that can be recessed in the wall like a normal receptacle).

      If you want to go all out, use a common 12V power supply for 12V equipment, and modify plugs for any low-amp 5V equipment to use the multi-port USB chargers.

      Shortest cords possible...

  6. Never move a cable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unplug it and use a new one wherever you're moving to.
    If the location you're moving to has an unused spare cable, use it.

    1. Re:Never move a cable. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Unplug it and use a new one wherever you're moving to.
      If the location you're moving to has an unused spare cable, use it.

      I cleaned behind/under my desk a few months back. I found I had 2 wall warts plugged in, but powering nothing. Wonder how much those contributed to my power bill each month. Each was just a little warm. Checking your wiring from time to time isn't a bad idea, to make sure you remove unneeded cables or powersupplies.

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    2. Re:Never move a cable. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Not married, eh?

  7. just need a sign by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    Print out "DO NOT TOUCH ANY OF THESE WIRES" on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, tape to something in highly visible area.
    Done.

    google image search with above phrase for implementation examples.

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    1. Re:just need a sign by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Print out "DO NOT TOUCH ANY OF THESE WIRES" on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, tape to something in highly visible area.
      Done.

      google image search with above phrase for implementation examples.

      Doesn't help when your own feet are getting tangled up in cords and cables under your desk. I shudder to think what a cat would do under there (besides get electrocuted.)

      Perhaps this is something to aspire to

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    2. Re:just need a sign by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Print out "DO NOT TOUCH ANY OF THESE WIRES" on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, tape to something in highly visible area.
      Done.

      google image search with above phrase for implementation examples.

      I see no examples of the sign in use.

    3. Re:just need a sign by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      your google must be different than mine, clicking your link I get 5 of the first 6 results = sign in use /shrug

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    4. Re:just need a sign by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I'm at home now and they are showing up. Or at least I see the same pic five or six times at different sizes.
      Corporate firewall does strange things?

  8. easy by Redmancometh · · Score: 1

    Get a nice/tastefully done wireframe desk with a glass top and zipties. Youre welcome.

  9. Something tells me you don't work in IT by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> vast amounts of tangled cables

    Really? How many?

    >> I have two machines, four monitors, multiple external hard drives, cable modem, network switch, router, USB hubs — everything requires power and connection

    Hmmm...something tells me you don't work in IT.

    1. Re:Something tells me you don't work in IT by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for a *home* installation, that is rather a lot of stuff to have plugged in at a single desk.

      That being said, there's wisdom to what you're saying about him not working in IT anyway... somebody in IT would probably opt for a monitor with a built-in USB hub, if they needed a USB hub at all. Worth their weight in gold, for how much space they save, and there are powered USB hubs built into some monitors (they draw power from the monitor's power connection). If you need a USB hub at all, that is... the 2.4GHz wireless dongle for my keyboard/mouse is plugged in to the back of my desktop, and the front connectors (2 USB2.0, 2 USB3.0) are plenty for the rare occasions I need to plug a thumb drive or external hard drive in. Haven't ever needed a USB hub.

      Similarly, for persistent storage, most people who work in IT wouldn't opt for "multiple external hard drives", they'd opt for a NAS setup of some sort. There's some very inexpensive options available on the market, and having a decent NAS or two connected by GigE or faster should be significantly more useful than swapping USB drives. And don't argue about storage capacity... the off-the-rack diskless Buffalo NAS I'm using has space for two 3.5" SATA drives, and is running Linux, so the advertised "3TB" limit for drive size is most likely because you can't get drives bigger than that yet, not because it's actually a limit. A 6TB NAS should be plenty of space for most home use right now, and it's trivially easy to add more as needed.

      For network switch/router/cable modem, you could at the very least drop the switch by replacing the router with one that has the appropriate ethernet speed built in to it. GigE routers have been available for quite some time, now. And if you need more than 4 ports of GigE, then there's no reason the switch can't be in a completely different part of the house. Come to it, there's no reason the cable modem can't be elsewhere as well. You could also check with your cable provider about replacing the modem... lots of providers now have cable modems with built-in wireless routers and GigE switches, so you might be able to replace 3 devices with 1. From the description in TFS, it certainly doesn't sound like you need that many Ethernet ports... there's no mention of NAS, printer, TV/STB, or stereo, only the two computers which would require an Ethernet connection.

      As for 2 machines, 4 monitors, cable ties is probably the best suggestion I can make, though depending on the monitor you're using it may be possible to daisychain the displays and use a single cable to drive both of them. One of the many advantages of displayport... you can have a single cable running to a splitter, and drive two monitors from a single output on the computer.

      So I guess, responding to the original question (of course, far enough down that nobody will read it), I'd say the first suggestion for how to deal with extreme cable management is to minimize the number of extra cables that don't really serve a function. The second would be to use tie wraps (preferably reusable) to bundle similar cables so you don't have to go fishing if one fails.

    2. Re:Something tells me you don't work in IT by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Lots of good suggestions, though Displayport is not an option for many of us. I'd add the idea of having just one computer and running any extra boxes in a VM.

  10. Rack Cabinet by angusnightman · · Score: 2

    Have you considered a rack cabinet? Something like that should be able to address some of these problems.

  11. Velcro Ties by jmrieger · · Score: 1

    Look @ NewEgg for reusable velcro ties. Better than zip ties since you can re-run as necessary. Also look at Tie-D-Wires for affixing cable bundles to your desk. I like ones with adhesive backing so they don't destroy the surface. Or, go all out and get some plastic channels to run cables through.

  12. alternate approach by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

    Become semi nomadic, simply abandon the mess of kit when it gets too unwieldy and start another one. With careful planning you may be able to make a single small room last for four or five systems, which is more than enough IMHO. When you run out of rooms simple move.

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  13. Move things less. by Hatta · · Score: 3

    Why are you moving things around so often? I have an eight port KVM that's filled up, and cabling is a disaster behind the computers. But that's where they live, and once they're there, I have no reason to move them until I move to a new home.

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    1. Re:Move things less. by ion++ · · Score: 1

      If you space out the cables like a harp and try to keep 5 cm between the cables, then it is a lot easier to follow them and unplug if needed.

    2. Re:Move things less. by gman003 · · Score: 1

      A laptop, perhaps?

      Every morning, I have to drop a power brick down the back of my desk, plug in two video cables, a mouse, and sometimes an Ethernet cable. Fortunately, all my stuff plugs in on one side, so it takes less than a minute - and I can do some of it while starting up all my programs.

    3. Re:Move things less. by FriendlyStatistician · · Score: 2

      Buy a second power brick.

    4. Re:Move things less. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Why not buy a dock and leave it plugged in?

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    5. Re:Move things less. by gman003 · · Score: 1

      I probably should. Especially since the 150W power brick weighs as much as some of the lighter laptops I've seen.

      For now, I just have two of the wall->brick cords, one for home, one for work. They're standard PC power cables, just like a desktop, so I already had several.

    6. Re:Move things less. by gman003 · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a laptop with a dock since floppies were popular.

      Seriously, they aren't at all common for consumer laptops, and there aren't many "professional" laptops that can max out Crysis (which is totally something I need to do, for some reason).

      Also, I take the mouse with me many times, so I'd need to plug that back in anyways.

    7. Re:Move things less. by mlts · · Score: 1

      Now that is something I wish laptop makers made -- a decent dock for their products. it doesn't have to be fancy like the old PowerBook Duo dock (which engulfed the laptop like a VCR did a VCR tape), but something like the old IBM Thinkpad docking station/port replicators. The older ones accepted almost any Thinkpad, and provided not just video and other ports, it actually provided IDE and PCI card buses, floppy disks, and other items.

      We have more technologies in the past to allow for docking connectors to work with the thinner laptops made today. Apple's Lightning adapter changes what pins do what on the fly. It wouldn't be hard for a laptop maker to do similar so the dock adapter doesn't have to have 100+ pins to handle analog VGA video and such.

      With how laptops have become desktop replacements in a lot of places, I'm amazed that docking stations are not more common. Just the ability to have a second hard disk in the dock which backs up data when the machine is plugged in would be very useful. Perhaps a more powerful video card in the dock for gaming as well. Of course, with a dock, there is the fact that you just set up the cabling and forget it. No need to plug and unplug a rat's nest in every time one needs to use the computer.

    8. Re:Move things less. by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Why are you moving things around so often?

      He's probably married.

    9. Re:Move things less. by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      A lot of laptops don't support docks. And depending on the type of laptop you prefer, a dock may be completely impossible... I have never seen an ultraportable laptop which works with a dock.

    10. Re:Move things less. by need4mospd · · Score: 1

      He's probably married.

      With that many monitors? Doubtful.

    11. Re:Move things less. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      But dude, how will your mom vacuum behind there?!

      I jest. Mom wouldn't dare come in the Command Centre.

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  14. Velcro ties by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 1

    Walmart has some velcro strap in the sewing section. It's about 1" thick, and is spooled around itself. Whenever I need to tie a cable, I just wrap it around the bunch of cables and cut. It works a lot better than things like plastic ties or twist ties, because it can easily be undone.

    If I have a bunch of cables tied together and you can't identify them(like networking cable), I will wrap a piece of paper masking tape around each end of each cable(like a flag made of tape rather than like a band going around the wire), and then write a description of the cable on both sides of the tape and on both sides of each flag.

  15. Ikea by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

    I bought a cable tray that mounts under the desk for about $10 at Ikea. That and some cable ties & shorteners was all it took for me.

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    1. Re:Ikea by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      Because you don't have to look at them, nor do they get in your way (or your pet's way). It's the same reason I put my groceries away in cabinets instead of leaving them all on the counter...

    2. Re:Ikea by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      Because if the devices all work, the cabling is not a problem; and if you do not see the cabling, the cabling does not *look* like a problem.

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  16. Stop being dumb. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Move your desk away from the wall.

  17. What you need... by Panaflex · · Score: 1

    Split cable tubing is what you seek. Seriously, gather all your device related wires into the tube and you'll be much happier. Everything else, use velcro tape (e.g. network and display cables).

    Also, consider getting shorter cables that are the correct length. You don't need a 15m ethernet cable that only goes 1m!! You can get decent cables on eBay usually, or just about anywhere these days. Make sure you use shielded network and display cables - you might have some signal issues running next to AC power otherwise.

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    1. Re:What you need... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Also, consider getting shorter cables that are the correct length. You don't need a 15m ethernet cable that only goes 1m!!

      If you have a 15M ethernet cable and you only need a 1M, and you don't have a crimper you can shorten the cable by doubling it back on itself several times and holding it together with cable ties.

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    2. Re:What you need... by AdamWill · · Score: 1

      quite a lot of cables don't like to kinked like that. you might have trouble getting a gigabit signal down a cable with 180 degree bends, and hdmi cables *hate* it.

  18. Move it out of the way. by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Specifically, the network switch, modem, router, etc. should be moved to the basement if you have one, or a dedicated area. You should almost never touch them, so get them off your desk.

    Ditto for all the removable hard drives. Buy a little server with a crapload of storage (or a NAS) and put it in the basement with the network boxes. Access it remotely.

    Get a wireless keyboard and mouse, hook it to a 2-port KVM. Move the computers under or behind the desk.

    That way the only thing on the desk is the (wireless) keyboard & mouse, a USB hub and the monitors. Those cables should go right down behind the desk to the monitor and power strip.

    If, for some reason, you use optical media frequently, plug a USB-based drive into the hub and leave it on the desk. You should almost never have to touch the computers at that point, so why have them in the way?

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    1. Re:Move it out of the way. by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      the network switch, modem, router, etc. should be moved to the basement if you have one, or a dedicated area

      My cable comes in through the guest room so the modem is in there. There is a Cat5e going under the floorboards to the office, where it connects to my RT-N56U. My downstairs laptop station where I do playing, movies, testing has my old WRT54G (with Raspberry Pi inside) connected over WiFi as a bridge. I can plug people's crap into that without the hassle of putting my 63 character key into their devices.
      Very useful, I've found.

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    2. Re:Move it out of the way. by hodet · · Score: 1

      I am with you for most of this. I put stuff in the basement too. The wireless keyboard and mouse are a non starter for me. I have a 3 year old.

  19. Mount that clutter! by Ichijo · · Score: 2

    You could get the cable modem and router (and their cables and AC adapters) off your desk by attaching them to pegboard mounted to a wall or under your desk. Be sure to mount a power strip, too.

    If you want something a little more professional looking, you could go all rackmount.

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  20. A series of tubes. by centuren · · Score: 1

    Have you looked into using cable tubes or wraps (this sort of thing)? They can help a lot when you have multiple cables converging on the same point over space. There are also ties, mounts, and any number of cable management accessories for "under the desk" cables.

    All in all, I've found the most useful practice to be labelling each cable or cord on both ends using masking tape and a marker. The tape provides a 'tab' I can write on, so if I need to unplug device X, I can just look for the cable with the X label and then pull it free from the other end.

    I've also found the biggest culprit when my cables get messy is always my laziness, especially not removing devices, cables, and power cords that I am not currently using and packing them up until I need them again.

  21. Google by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Informative

    & Lifehacker have got you more than covered: http://lifehacker.com/364054/top-10-ways-to-get-cables-under-control

    1. Re:Google by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      You can also decase your harddrives and mount them internally, or buy a bigger one and consolidate, or decase them and mount them in a storage bay. Or you can do what I did and that's add a shelf & just store them there keeping the one (s) I need plugged in and powered.

    2. Re:Google by mlts · · Score: 1

      At the extreme, the hard disks can go into a server that has 10GB ethernet cards, and one can use iSCSI from there. An advantage of this setup is the ability to run RAID, and with some commercial implementations, run backend deduplication.

    3. Re:Google by danomac · · Score: 1

      Instead of getting them under control, just throw everything out the window. Out of sight, out of mind!

  22. don't be a chump by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Informative

    velcro cable ties

    Whoa, dude, are you made of money?!!

    You can get 45 feet of Velcro ties for like $3 over in the garden center.

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    1. Re:don't be a chump by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

      velcro cable ties

      Whoa, dude, are you made of money?!!

      You can get 45 feet of Velcro ties for like $3 over in the garden center.

      Looks like someone confused Velcro the company with Velcro the "stuff". 45 feet of that and not an inch of it will stick to any other... You can get velcro the stuff at HD but dont bother with the garden variety (hah) get the version in the electrical/electronic aisle. It will run you closer to $6: find it here

    2. Re:don't be a chump by Splintercat · · Score: 1

      That particular link doesn't work for me, but the point does stand. Velcro ties are the way to go.
      I've got these Velcro cable ties from Home Depot. 50 8 inch Velcro Ties Though at $5.27 each you can definitely find better deals. But being able to just walk in and buy them without waiting for shipping is worth it for small jobs.

      If you want to be really fancy then I would also get some kind of way to label or at least mark your cables on both ends. It really does pay off when you have to move, or fix something. My wife went through our entertainment center and labelled all the cables with some blue painters tape and a sharpie. I'm glad for that every time I have to go back there and mess with something.

    3. Re:don't be a chump by Psyko · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's what I use, it's dirt cheap and you can just buy a roll and cut the lengths you need. My home office desk I screwed some longer strips to the back underside of the desk so everything stays up high, out of the way and out of sight, then it's easy enough to redo since you're working with velcro. Being able to get behind the desk I highly recommend as well.

      For Wall warts, I use these guys ( http://www.cablestogo.com/product_list.asp?cat_id=1020 ), power squid type power strips, you can attach them high underneath your desk then coil up the excess cable length near them so you don't have hanging wires. Additionally then you dont have to worry about them blocking recepticles on your good power strips (I'm still an isobar fan for those http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/product-series.cfm?txtSeriesID=825 )

      Also dont be afraid of physical separation, I have my cable modem, firewall, and a switch on one side of the room on a cabinet where printer, mfd etc are, along with a small nas, then gig isl's over to the other side of the room where workstations on the desk are plugged in.

      I'm also a big fan of synergy ( http://synergy-foss.org/ ) as a software keyboard/mouse for machines vs having use physical keyboards or physical kvm's for multiples, and you still get the separated video output for each which is nice.

      Every once and a while you need to go through the stuff you've got cabled up, getting rid of things you don't use all the time, or can consolidate (that's probably an annual or bi-annual job though lol). I did that earlier this year and it actually helped quite a bit.
       

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    4. Re:don't be a chump by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Zip ties are like $1 for a box of 100. If you need to rewire who cares? You still have 95 left.

    5. Re:don't be a chump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Assuming one remembers where the other 95 are stored. Somewhere in my house are several hundred misplaced zip ties.

    6. Re:don't be a chump by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      The stuff I'm talking about is still hook & loop fastener. Granted, it's not as "fuzzy" as the common Velcro stuff, so it doesn't grip quite as well.

      The advantages are that it should be readily available and dirt cheap. Wrap around twice if you're concerned it doesn't have enough hold.

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    7. Re:don't be a chump by duk242 · · Score: 1

      Though, you need either a tool (Scissors or cutters) or some insane muscles to get a Zip Tie off. Also Zip Ties when done up too tight/pulled on can mark the cable from the pressure...

    8. Re:don't be a chump by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Brands are often used misleadingly but that's not true for "velcro". As far as I can tell Velcro the company doesn't sell any product that don't utilize Velcro the stuff. The only difference I see between the the the first link and yours is (a) you have to cut it yourself and (b) it's green.

    9. Re:don't be a chump by jmrieger · · Score: 1

      The stuff I've bought is 1/2" x 8" long, and comes in a 100 pack for $7. Hardly need to be made of money to afford cable management. So 67 feet for $7 bucks. Methinks that the stuff @ Home Depot's garden center is worse.

  23. Sounds like my home theater by iontyre · · Score: 1

    TV, Pioneer receiver, Comcast HDDVR, Blu-ray player, HD DVD player, DVD recorder, 7 speakers and a subwoofer. Most components connected via HDMI and Ethernet, plus the power cables. 8 speaker cables. A MESS! Haven't been able to design a nice flow for all that.

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    VASIMR to Mars!
    1. Re:Sounds like my home theater by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      This.

      I recently set up a cinema room and bought a long low unit for the TV to sit on with all components hidden inside.

      I planned the cabling to avoid interference/cross talk and to connect to my central hub via ethernet switches. However, with almost every device needing ethernet connectivity (TV, Xbox 360, BluRay, Wii, XBMC device, Cable TV, Wireless AP etc) plus the surround sound speakers and all the power blocks required, it still looks like a snake pit behind the unit.

      The next time I do this I will have a false wall with horizontal batons forming channels and vertical, removable colour coordinated (to the room) boards which can hide the cables. Holes can be made in the boards where necessary to allow for cables to breakout to where they are needed.

  24. Closet by vlm · · Score: 1

    Closet. Ventilation is important. One shelf per machine / setup. Long USB cables and video/VGA/DVI/whatever floats your boat from the closet to the KVM on the desk. All monitors and trackballs/mice are wired direct not thru the KVM (so I guess its just a K switch). Audio in/out run thru a mixer (long story) The K we're discussing is an IBM model M with a USB converter (adapters don't work w/ something this old). The wiring on the desk doesn't look so icky when its basically just KVMA, a keyboard, some pointer devices, and a nice pair of speakers. Inside the closet, use some discipline and it'll be OK.

    I built a small wood shelf the monitors live on, and shove the keyboard and pointing devices under the shelf when not in use. Looks clean. This also raises the monitors to the perfect ergonomic height... at least perfect for me, and my desk.

    In the old days analog VGA required some pretty careful routing and quality cables not to ruin signal quality, and some cards had weaker outputs than others WRT extensions. Also had to fight CRT magnetic interaction which was pretty annoying. In the digital era its boring simple, childs play really.

    Everything with a fan lives in the closet. Not silent, but very quite.

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  25. You have a trivial problem not an extreme one. by harl · · Score: 2

    First off you have a trivial cable set up. You're orders of magnitude from "extreme."

    With the setup you mention there's almost an infinite amount of solutions. Tape, twist ties, tubes, velcro, hooks, labels, etc.

    Almost anything will work. Basically you have a laziness problem. When you ran the cable you didn't label it, or loop and tie, or use a cable hook, or do anything.

    I use hooks for mouse and keyboard. Long net cables are wound and tied. Power cables are velcroed together near the PDU.

    Honestly all you have to do is anything but what you're doing is adding cables with no organization.

    When you're up to thousands of cables come back and we can talk about extreme solutions.

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    1. Re:You have a trivial problem not an extreme one. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Agreed this is trivial cable management. The submitter doesn't understand: "You keep using this word 'extreme.' I don't think it means what you think it means"

      i.e.
      http://www.digitalbuzzblog.com/google-data-center-street-view-experience/

      > Basically you have a laziness problem.
      Agreed. I would also add an lack of organization / management problem to.

  26. ...and don't forget... by msauve · · Score: 3, Funny

    cover all your cables with this stuff.

    --
    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    1. Re:...and don't forget... by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Be sure to buy the large bucket of it. Leave any extra nearby your computer. You might want to pick up a box or two of tissues.

    2. Re:...and don't forget... by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Yes. It also helps if you leave the top off the can. You never know when you might need it in a hurry. It is lubricant so it never dries out.

    3. Re:...and don't forget... by klui · · Score: 1

      Only if you're pulling cable through conduit. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and money.

    4. Re:...and don't forget... by patches · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't use that stuff! We call it Elephant Snot. After pulling through a conduit with that crap it dries into a cement like blockage in the conduit. Use Pledge on the cables and they pull right through, it doesn't dry and cement everything in the conduit, and it isn't totally disgusting to pull on the cables on the other end of the conduit.

      Patrick

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    5. Re:...and don't forget... by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      athiest

      What does this word mean? I've seen it around, usually written by Chirstains or Mislums but I don't know its meaning.

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  27. Placing the router for signal coverage by tepples · · Score: 1

    Cable modem, router and eventually the network switch can go together into a lonely corner

    Not necessarily. Signal coverage concerns dictate the placement of wireless access points, and this in turn tends to dictate the router's placement because home networking equipment tends to bundle the AP into the router or even bundle the AP and router into the modem.

    1. Re:Placing the router for signal coverage by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Well it doesn't have to be kept with the computer. For a desktop computer, Ethernet's the way to go anyway - even if you're trying to tidy up.

  28. Avoid stuff that generates bundles of wires. by Xzzy · · Score: 1

    The real problem with cable management is not organizing it, it's what happens to the organization when you have to change something. Zip ties and velcro certainly make everything look pretty when you first set it up, but it gets frustrating really quickly when you need to make a change.. bundling all your cables in a big wad is the quick route to a disaster.

    The best way to keep things tolerable is to get cables sized properly for the run so they aren't pulled taut or have too much slack, and lay them flat.. either on the floor or on a ladder if you're in a server room. Cables will still get tangled over time but if everything is straight it shouldn't be too hard to extract one.

    One idea I've had for a few years but never got around to implementing is a sheet of pegboard.. use screw-in hooks to provide wire routes, and affix a power strip to it to run peripherals. Probably requires easy access to the rear of your desk though. If it's up against a wall the value declines.

  29. This subreddit will give you a lot of ideas by klui · · Score: 1

    http://www.reddit.com/r/CableManagement is specifically for PC cable management. You can also look at http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc and ask for advice there. Many subreddits have FAQs and stuff on the right side. Use those links.

  30. woooHooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Something better than Hairy Milf Porn!!

    The tangle of cables is like hair and the female connectors ....

  31. Nail velcro strips to the back of your desk by SpankyDaMonkey · · Score: 2

    Disclaimer - I run installations in a datacentre so I do this for a living.

    Nail velcro to the back of your desk, instant cable guides and tidy. Velcro excess in to loops. Use a lot of velcro. Plan and execute a labelling scheme - either paper that you sellotape over the top of, or a proper brady label for every cable. Use dymo labels for every plug and AC-adapter so you know what each of them hooks up to.

    Yes it's a pain. Plan on taking half a day to do it properly. Document it as you go if you can. Remember all you need is to do it properly once.

    If it's stuff that you plan on taking with you for travel / work - get a second adapter / set of cables. Keep those in the bag so you only need to move the device. The cost of your time messing around trying to untangle behind your desk is worth a spare usb lead or several.

  32. Seriously? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Expand the work space, and it's a non factor. Maybe it's just that you are trying to pack everything in to a 3x3 foot area, in which case I'll say move out of what ever shoebox you are trying to work in, or wait till your prison term is done before going dual monitors and 2 PCs.

    Honestly, I have more gear than this sitting on a work table and a few shelves. Just space things out, use re-usable banding (Velcro) to keep things ordered.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  33. What is this "dock"? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Which would require replacing the laptop with one that has a proper dock port. Right now, I have a self-powered USB hub and power brick set up at each location where I use my laptop for more than an hour at a time, but it's still four connections to set up power, video, audio, and USB.

    1. Re:What is this "dock"? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I guess I wasn't aware that they made laptops without docks. I pretty much only buy thinkpads, and they've always had dock connectors.

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  34. Learned This as an Audio Tech by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1
    Build
    A
    Cable
    Snake

    The tangles and tangles make it almost impossible to move anything without spending twenty or thirty minutes under the desk.

    So don't move stuff. Feng Shui and all that jazz.

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  35. Labels are half the issue. by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Labeling helps you if you need to unplug or move one cable, but it's still a mess if you need to remove a cable from the snarl, as when replacing components or swapping out a bad cable. The answer to that is to eliminate all the extra wire that causes the snarl by taking up the slack. There are a bunch of gadgets that can be used for that. My personal preference are the velcro cable ties. I wrap the excess cord around my fingers and then wrap it with the velcro tie to keep it out of the way. I like them because they're reusable, cheap and can be used when storing cables as well.

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    1. Re:Labels are half the issue. by David+Nabbit · · Score: 1

      Velcro ties are good. Twist ties are a cheaper option, if cost is a concern. Just save them from bread bags, garbage bags, etc.

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    2. Re:Labels are half the issue. by aztracker1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      +1 for velcro cable ties... I will also put a couple strips of vecro on the underside and back of my desk.. once you've got the cable wrapped, it just sits against the desk out of the way... works great... same for the back of my entertainment center.. also, my surge strips are often velcroed to the inside/back of the desk, so that they are closer to the devices... much less clutter. usually have one trunk of cables coming up from my tower as the only visible from the front.

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  36. Garden Mesh by CapybaraRancher · · Score: 1

    A) Get a grid of garden mesh. This gives you a 2D substrate you can clip cables (and USB hubs, outlet strips, etc) to. You can mount this on the underside of your desk, hanging from the back of your desk, or in a cabinet if you want. (You can see my implementation at the right side of my desk, here http://www.flickr.com/photos/capybararancher/6705805105/ ). My approach was: simple cable runs to that one cabinet, which becomes the patch panel between devices. All slack for cables is taken up there, and cuffed (see below) to the grid of mesh. Only downside: I had to buy a 40-foot roll of garden mesh, and only used 21" x 21". B) Get some cable cuffs: www.cablecuff.com/ I find them handier than velcro ties; they're cheap and durable. You can get them by the handful at Home Depot.

  37. Pegboard by moonwatcher2001 · · Score: 1

    Ever seen a garage workshop with tools hanging on hooks on pegboard? Get that, rest your cabling on the hooks, attach said cabling to hooks with twist ties or velcro loops. Problem solved.

  38. One word by Toast+or+Rice · · Score: 1

    Vaseline ...

  39. Re:Ultimate solution... by Roobles · · Score: 1

    You are proposing a $1,300 solution. The average solution so far seems to be hovering around $20, with some as low as $3. There are some cost efficiency problems with your solution.

  40. Unless you have rabbits. by Jaywalk · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have pet rabbits -- or any other critters that chew cables out of instinct -- you need to cover your cables with this stuff. We had one chew through a lamp cord and it dang near cooked the little beast.

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    1. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by gtbritishskull · · Score: 4, Funny

      We had one chew through a lamp cord and it dang near cooked the little beast.

      Sounds delicious.

    2. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really don't want to be electrocuting rabbits. They are best stewed or braised.

    3. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by PerformanceDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No need to waste money on something like that. Buy a Jalapeno, slice it open with a knife and rub it along the length of cable. Our cat used to chew into cables. Not anymore.... Poor thing soon learned that chomping on a cable meant a very quick trip to the water bowl. May sound cruel, but is sure better than a dead cat.

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    4. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by c0lo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really don't want to be electrocuting rabbits. They are best stewed or braised.

      Argh! What's he doing! Stupid fat hobbit. You ruins it!

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      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    5. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      If you have pet rabbits -- or any other critters that chew cables out of instinct -- you need to cover your cables with this stuff. We had one chew through a lamp cord and it dang near cooked the little beast.

      Just picked up a boatload of that from King Dollar "Nothing over $1.09"!

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    6. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I misread that at first, until you started mentioning the "poor thing part" I read it as "no need to waste money on that. Buy a Jalepeno, slice it open (the rabbit) and run it along the length of cable." It didn't look right in my head.

    7. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by adolf · · Score: 1

      We tried that and similar concoctions. They didn't work for our cat, which is now dead.

    8. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by neiljt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time to introduce cat 6

    9. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You really don't want to be electrocuting rabbits. They are best stewed or braised.

      Argh! What's he doing! Stupid fat hobbit. You ruins it!

      /golfclap

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    10. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by dredwerker · · Score: 1

      Time to introduce cat 6

      Is it wrong to snigger out loud to that comment ?

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    11. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by davester666 · · Score: 1

      You're holding it wrong.

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    12. Re:Unless you have rabbits. by gay358 · · Score: 1

      I tried using habanero and it didn't work with our dog either.

  41. Really inexpensive Velcro ties by rlh100 · · Score: 1

    I also recommend Velcro ties, but they can be expensive. Especially computer room grade. What I have discovered is "Velcro Plant Ties" It comes in a 75 foot X 1/2 inch roll for about 4 bucks. It can be found at Home Depot or Lowe's, but maybe not year round. It can also be found at nurseries.

    I love the stuff. It is so cheap that I use enough to go around the cable bundle twice or more. Good for adding additional cables later. It is thinner so it is easier to cut and work with. It is cheap enough that I throw it away without a second thought. Well maybe a thought that I should recycle it and not add it to our landfill.

    Two other suggestions. Short Cables. No cable should be over 6 feet long. I find 4 foot works well for me. For multiple computers and a KVM switch bundle the cables for each host together, keyboard/mouse, audio, VGA and Ethernet.

  42. Re:Ultimate solution... by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    You are proposing a $1,300 solution. The average solution so far seems to be hovering around $20, with some as low as $3. There are some cost efficiency problems with your solution.

    Wrong. iMac G3 was the all-in-one manufactured in 1998, and you can buy a used one on Amazon right now for $169: http://www.amazon.com/Certified-Pre-Owned-internal-keyboard-installed/dp/B000PQJPPU

  43. Move the networking by AaronLS · · Score: 1

    Move router, switch, and modem somewhere else, then you will just have a single network cable from the switch to your computer. That will eliminate several network cables and 3 power cables.

    Put the desktop under the desk or beside it in clear view. Don't try to hide it in some little niche.

    Have all monitor cables going around the back of the desk. Have all headphone, mic, mouse, and keyboard cables coming out the front. Don't try to run these around the back. Maybe once a week, switching between my keyboard and joystick over and over gets them to the point they are twisted. Takes all of 30 seconds to lean over, unplug them and untwist the cables and plug them back in(even if they are plugged into the back of the computer, because I've not tried to hide my computer it's easy to reach around and unplug/plug). This is why you want these particular cables to be easily accessible and not run around the back of your desk.

    I have USB extension cables and a PS/2 extension cable(cheap from monoprice) to allow me a little more freedom of movement and because I keep alot of things in my lap(keyboard/mouse).

  44. Re:Ultimate solution... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

    Heck I've got 2 I'll sell for $25 each ... local pick up only or you pay my time to pack and drive to a shipping place as well as actual shipping cost.

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  45. Re:Throw that shit away by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Ah, love your delicate wording there. But anyway, it's funny how at the advent of the "post PC era" crap I actually moved from a laptop to a full desktop at home...

  46. To each their own by mordred99 · · Score: 1

    Every person is different, but I bought a 12 port 4' power strip (15 bucks a frys) that mounted behind the desk. I have one small 4 port one that comes off and is mounted on the corner of my desk for "when I need to quickly plug something in". Everything else plugs in the big one in the back. I have one 8 port USB 3.0 hub with a 4 foot connection mounted on my desk plugged into a USB port in the back of the PC. Everything goes into there. I have a 4 port KVM, which has extra KVM for extra PCs (but I only use 3) so only one mouse and keyboard (and 3 monitors). I have all of my networking and printing on a separate desk so the only stuff on my work space desk is my monitor stand, keyboard and mouse, and the USB hub and small power strip in one corner (and my speakers, forgot about them). The office is in a 90 degree angle, so the PCs and stuff are in the area between the two desks.

    1. Re:To each their own by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I have to second the 4 foot power strip. I do video editing, so between dual monitors, cheap 13" CRT TV (to make sure it still looks good on the worst possible screen), speakers, video interface, dvd player, external hard drive, VoIP phone, and network switch - almost everything's a power brick and not a plug. And they're actually spaced out across the width of the desk anyway.

  47. No magic answer - treat it like a design problem by Cryptosmith · · Score: 1

    Cable management is like any engineering problem - you solve it by organizing things into a coherent design. Yes, it will take time, but it's worth it.

    Personally, I have one tower and two monitors on a free standing desk. There's a large box/trunk near the desk with basket-weave top and sides to allow air flow, and I put the UPS and port connectors all in there. Cables flow in separately wrapped bundles to the box. There are a couple of walk-over cable carriers from the trunk that snake under rugs to reach power/phone/net plugins.

    I don't tend to rewire very often (once or twice a year) so I make things neat and leave them that way. The few portable plug-in devices I use tend to be USB, and I have nearby connectors on the desktop and on the front of the tower. I can easily hook up a USB to SATA adapter when I need to play with a hard drive, for example.

  48. Knot your cables, integrate your devices by guspasho · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'm not sure if I can describe this very well but whenever I set up anything that uses cables and I have extra length, I loop up and knot off the extra length. Kind of like when you store an extension cord. Loop, loop, loop, then the last few loops I fold back in on the loop so it stays together, minding the length I need afterward. I hope that's clear enough, I don't have a picture to refer you to unfortunately. I leave just enough length for what's necessary, and I do this for power cables, cat5, everything that's longer than I need. It's extra work to undo but most of those don't need to be moved about very much.

    Also, for desk setups, you can find some trays that hang below the back of a desktop and you can store your spare cable length out of the way in there. Stash your power strip in there and all your power cords for your computer, monitor, external hard drives, etc.

    Finally, I was willing to invest in some new devices that served this purpose. It helped to think minimalistic, if you're also in to that. I dumped my desktop and netbook for a MacBook Pro, (you could also get an iMac), got one large Maxtor 3GB single drive NAS that's stored out of the way next to my router, and my old external drives are boxed up somewhere. My whole network setup is literally just a cable modem, Airport Express, and the NAS, all hidden behind the couch. You'll probably need more, but that might be a good guide for you.

  49. Re:Shorter cables are the other half. by satch89450 · · Score: 2

    I found that when I bought a bunch of 3-foot power cords, the power part of the cable tangle became much less of an issue. Using a long power strip (like the ones used in the sides of racks) also helps the snarl. For the rest, judicious use of velcro cable ties helps. Espeically when you have a chewing cat, like I do!

  50. Anything better then velcro? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    There must be something better then velcro ties. I use them but it's a pain running something new and having to undo each tie one by one so everything doesn't fall apart.

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    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    1. Re:Anything better then velcro? by klui · · Score: 1

      You're either using too few ties or attach your cable one tie at a time.

  51. Shorten and Zip Ties by locopuyo · · Score: 1

    I use the shortest cables I can get away with while leaving a little slack for things that move.
    If the cables have a lot of extra length wrap them up and zip tie them.
    Run your cable along the poles and stuff you have using zip ties, use the cable management your hardware comes with. A lot of monitor stands have places to run the wires through.
    Adjust the position of your equipment to optimize wiring if you can. I put my power strip and tower on my desk and it drastically improved the wire management. That is 8 power cords that aren't tangled up beneath the desk anymore.

  52. Under Desk Cable Rack by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    My desk has an under desk rack for all the wires to run through. I think it was $12 at Ikea. That, combined with some cheap velcro cable ties, will do the trick. (The biggest velcro cable ties I've seen are in a server closet, with a bundle of about 250 CAT5 cables all neatly bundled up like a really fat ponytail. It came out of the ceiling, taking up an entire ceiling tile square. It was a thing of beauty, especially how it gracefully descended to connect each jack in a perfect arc to the switch.)

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    Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
  53. Add new cables by growingtedium · · Score: 1

    It's likely not worth your time to untangle cables when cables are cheap and your time is not. Just keep a couple spare cables around and add new ones as needed and let the old ones lie. When you do a major computer swap, throw out/recycle the old cable bundle.

  54. Computer Sound system both share the same plan by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I mark both ends with Brady wire markers, these come with the job when you do wiring.
    http://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Markers-Marking-Tape-Wire-Marker-Books/Brady/PWM-PK3/product.aspx?zpid=4581

    I also map it out, Each wire/cable with it's number at each end and keep the paper handy
    so if I'm really lost I can go back to it. (sound system)

    Wind up the surplus wire and wire tie it, each bundle (7.1 sound system) a different length
    so you don't have a ball of bundles.

    Wire ties loosely around objects so you can use it as a wire run, that can support weight.

    If wires are going to run across the floor (sound system) I use a cord concealer and protector
    just like these http://www.cableorganizer.com/neoprene-cord-cover/

    If you do use the clear mat that lets you move your chair around on, get the dull nubs on the bottom
    not sharp ones as they will sever wires in a cables you've run under it.

    All this with concealment in mind (keep it pretty), every cord goes down a hole behind my monitor then comes up
    a few feet away from two different holes. The wire markers are below the hole for this end so I just pull on the cable
    and the marker that moves is the one I'm after. Of course any setup would depend upon your environment.

  55. NASA STD 8739.4 by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Just pretend that your cable mess is life critical and/or supporting something that you'd need to leave the gravity well to fix. Then do it the correct way.

    The suffering will make you a better person.

  56. Re:Ultimate solution... by Roobles · · Score: 1

    Ah. I did a google search for iMac G3, and accidentally clicked on a sponsored link from Apple.com, which touted its shiny new $1300 base price iMac. I don't follow the Apple products very closely, but I probably should have looked closer before making my post.

  57. wireloom and velcro by Stephenmg · · Score: 1

    I use a nylon wireloom and a roll of bulk velcro that I cut off. Keeps all the cables straight and tangle free.

  58. Get organized by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    Start by labeling both ends of every cable. You can use heat shrink tubing around the cable and then write on the heat shrink with a sharpie. Use different color heat shrink to distinguish cables. Use snagless cables when available. Use cables of the appropriate length when possible. If you have more than one of a particular type of cable, get them in different colors if possible. Always use velcro and never use zip ties to bundle cables.

  59. group the cables by computers by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

    I usually group all the cables from one computer together. I use velcro so i can take it apart when needed. I have used wire ties. I even have some wire ties that I can open as well. Problem is with the wire ties is they get brittle over time. Even the ones with the release break. I also use KVMs. I have had 7 computers on the same KVM switch at home. This was a PS2 KVM not a USB one. I had to have a separate keyboard and mouse cables. Grouping the cables (mouse, keyboard, and monitor) together helped a lot. I did find KVM cables that were already one piece but I needed to use a gender changer on the monitor cable. The KVM switch had a male monitor connection instead of female. The monitor cable was an monitor extension cable rather then a just a monitor cable. As for the mouse and keyboard cables which were the same cable with PS2. I just labeled the ends. Put a 'K' on the keyboard one and a 'M' on the mouse one. If something happened to the cables I would take out that one set. Fix or replace the one cable. Put the group back together and snake it back to where it goes.

  60. Stuff I do by sjbe · · Score: 1

    1) Take excess power cords and shorten them to length. I have a bar power strip at the back of my desk and I shorten my power cords to length with plugs.

    2) Use velcro straps and cable ties to keep cables neat, coiled and short. Bundle cables together that are going the same place. Use expandable braided sleeving where possible and be sure to melt the edges where you cut it so it doesn't fray.

    3) Make your own ethernet cables and cut them to length. Color code and/or label them if you have more than a few.

    4) Use a universal docking station if you have to something like a laptop that needs to be unplugged regularly.

    5) Cordless mouse and/or keyboards are nice but if you have corded versions coil the cables and use the shortest path you can manage.

    6) Use raceways and conduit if running cable any distance.

    7) Use devices with short cables and extend them rather than using a longer cable than necessary.

    8) Use patch panels and wiring closets or buy a small server rack on caster wheels if you have a lot of computers and limited space.

  61. Re:Ultimate solution... by Roobles · · Score: 1

    I did not say the (current (no longer to be mistaken with the G3)) iMac was expensive. I said it was not cost effective in the context of other solutions, where it's a 32,500% cost increase compared to $4 worth of velcro.

  62. Yet another "Me Too" by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    Velcor straps, as used for RC planes & cable management are the way to go. They are awesome in so many ways. For instance, If you want to add a new cable, you can either velcro it to the existing strand for cabeling speed, or simply undo each strap, add the cable and re-close it which isn't much slower. Cabeling is SO easy now! Just don't use too many of them or you may find them obnoxious, I used about 1 strap every 2ft.

    My gaming PC has 7.1 surround sound (an old logitech 5.1 plus a stereo kit for the sides...) so I have a 8 individual cables right there...Tons of cables, pluse USB gear (HDD docks, Cell and Mouse charger, etc..)

    Velcro / velcro like cabling straps are the simplest most amazing thing I've ever used, really tidy's things up, keeps it looking "Wife approved"

    I also second using the shortest cord necessary, but keeping it long enough that you're running w/ the lines of your desk, etc. (nothing worse than a diagnal round of multiple cords shooting across space in a \ line to the power strip). Also, when bundled together, the cords can become quite stiff.

    This reminds me, I need to get more of this stuff, I'm down to just a couple unused straps left :)

    I think labeling the power cords is a good idea if you have the time, but it's a little overkill in my opinion. I' don't think I've messed w/ power in a LONG time, and I work w/ a popular LAN gaming community so I'm constantly moving my machine. I just have spares, in my kit, so I don't unplug them.

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    How much is your data worth? Back it up now.
  63. Re:You need a bigger box by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    This is horrible advice. You should use velcro, never zipties. Zipties require tools and are "once and done". Velcro allows flexibility to adjust as your needs change. Also your advice about a bigger box is only useful if all the storage is sitting in one place. Also, one of the primary selling points of USB storage is portability.

  64. Nope by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    There are things that make it look nicer, but nothing beats a rats' nest of cables for pure speed. Any time you start running cables in a trough or in hooks or through tubing, it's tougher to find/replace cables than you may have thought. Unless you're removing a tripping hazard or have some appearance requirements, skip it and let the cables lie where they may. Just make sure you don't do any loops or tie cables in a knot (and whatever you do, don't use zip ties, even if you're sure you won't have to replace a cable in five years. Best case scenario: in five years you'll regret it).

  65. cure worse than the disease by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    In my experience, most "cable management" systems end up making it harder (not easier) to identify both ends of a cable, or to pull and replace one cable out of what was previously a tangle. That's because they're focused on making everything look tidy, not on managing the simple reality that Things Change. There's nothing wrong with a few loops of velcro here and there to keep cables out of the way, but the more you tie them down... the more you tie yourself down later.

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    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
  66. The Copper Age by SimplexBang · · Score: 1

    centuries from now ,

    our time will not be known as the Information Age ,

    but as the Cable or Copper Age ,

    (this is just what I was thinking this morning when cleaning my former IT office )

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    Avoid your fears , or wonder at the past
  67. hang from the back of desk, off the floor by feet by sys_mast · · Score: 1

    Best thing I ever did was for desk against a wall. I used large hooks, think like bike hooks or shelf brackets with a turn up at the end. Placed several along the back of a desk, ran cables in there so I wasn't kicking them. Allows an EZ crawl under the desk looking up to see all the cables. Hard to describe but worked really well.

    Between each J hook, i placed a power strip that has the large spacing for wall warts. So it alternated J hook, power. All the power strips went to another power strip on the end of the desk. So only one cable to connect to the wall. (most items were small draw so no issue overloading the 15 amp circuit.

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    Those who can, do.
  68. What's wrong with untangling fishing line? by jpvlsmv · · Score: 1

    It's a great passtime.

    Not to mention you keep up to date with your tetnus shots if you leave the hooks attached.

    --Joe

  69. Velcro cable ties by Solandri · · Score: 1

    I originally found them at Office Max. Later Home Depot started carrying them. Other stores may carry them now. They're $5-$6 for fifty 8" long strips. That's 10-12 cents apiece, and being velcro they're much more versatile than traditional plastic cable ties. You just tear one off, wrap it around the cable bundle, and the velcro sticks to itself - takes just a couple seconds. If you mess up, it's velcro so you just lift it up and try again. No need to cut them or fiddle with a knife to release them like you do with plastic cable ties. They come with a little hole at one end if you want to affix it around a single cable for a more permanent (but reusable) installation.

    I use em for network cables, video cables, audio cables, wrapping cables around ducting, hanging a picture frame on a fence, everything. I've used one to hold down a broken switch on a kitchen faucet. Heck, I've used them to create a hanging cradle to isolate HDD vibrations and noise from a computer case. They're very handy.

  70. Cheaters guide by Tiger_Storms · · Score: 1

    I use color coordination or codes for cords, since putting "monitor cable" is far too large to tape on I found using short words to work much better, like "screen" or drawing a picture. When dealing with lots of USB cables I tend to always plug them in the same places, Keyboard/mouse right under the Ethernet connection cameras and other connections after that. I first started using twist ties at first making shapes to show what they go to. for my switch and router, I try to color code them so I can tell my wife what needs to be switched off from the phone if something happens and I’m not home to do it myself. Otherwise I try to keep cables sorted by type, then length, and lastly by color.

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    This is a Mac, what you have there is an embarrassment to your fellow computer users.
  71. Extreme Cable Management? by Alotau · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worst X-games event ever.

  72. start over by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    Rather than evaluating it as a cabling problem, evaluate it as too much equipment for the task. Why do you have all this stuff?

    What are all your external drives for? Why are they external? Do they all need to be connected all the time? Could they be replaced with fewer, larger drives? Could they be mounted internally? Would a new case help?

    Are all those monitors actually helpful, or are they just cool? Would fewer, larger monitors be more useful? Could remote desktop be used to eliminate some of them?

    What;s the second machine for? Is it doing something useful or is it a "file server" or some other excuse to keep obsolete equipment around?

    Do you really need a network switch in addition to a router?

    USB hubs? Plural? What for?

  73. Take a couple of hours to start over. by RPI+Geek · · Score: 2

    Take this opportunity to reorganize and clean up your desk, you're going to start fresh!

    1) Disconnect everything and clean up on/around your desk. Dust your monitors, wipe down the surface, move any papers that are piled up. When I dealt with rat nests of wires, I never was able to vacuum/dust. Do it now when it is easiest.
    2) Put your desk on sliders. Even the heaviest hardwood desk on carpet becomes easy to move alone when you do this. If you're on hardwood or some other surface, clean around the desk before moving it, or you'll scratch it up.
    3) Leave the desk away from the wall so you can get behind it. Set up everything exactly how you want it, but leave the loose cables wherever you put them before and leave the other cables (mouse, keyboard) bundled up next to their owners.

    Now you're ready for the fun part!
    Think about how you want to route the cables; that means don't let them touch the floor! I love routing them under the desk surface in the back because they're pretty much invisible and the cats don't chew on them. If you have a cheap fiberboard desk like I do, consider using screw-in hooks (use a small nail to make a pilot hole). If you have a metal/glass or an otherwise nice desk, use sticky hooks (3M Command hooks are usually too big - I like cable tie mounts with zip/twist ties set into a loose loop).
    Start with the cables for the devices you'll move the least; this probably means your power strip, modem & router, and other network cables (I like to mount these to the side/back of my desk so they're out of the way but close to everything - this is especially important with the power strip). Move on to the monitors & speakers, then the external hard drives & USB hubs. The last things you want to hook up are probably your keyboard & mouse.

    1) Once you've connected the device, stop and take a look at the cables; anything that you can group together, wrap it in spiral cable wrap, starting at the device and going back. Two network cables from the router to your towers? Wrap them together. Your monitor's DVI & power cables? Wrap them. Be sure to give yourself enough length of wrapped cable so you can move your devices around as far as you think you'll want to.
    2) Now you take up any slack in the cable by bundling it - just be sure to leave a little bit of slack in the cable - just enough so it has a nice bend radius at the computer/router/wall. Hang the bundles together from a hook/anchor in an inconspicuous place. Use N+1 ties so you can get at it later - one for the hook/anchor, and one for each bundle (I especially love using twist ties for this part):
    - For small DC cables, wrap the extra length neatly around 4 fingers, flatten the bundle. Secure with a twist / zip / velcro tie.
    - For bigger cables, hold it in your palm and keep reversing direction across your palm - leave a reasonable bend radius. Secure it as above.
    - For network cables; buy a crimping tool and learn to use it.

    Push your desk back into place and you're done! Use weighted cable managers or adhesive to hold USB hubs from falling off your desk and enjoy!

    --

    - "Nobody came out that night, not one was ever seen. But Old Man Stauf is waiting there, crazy sick and mean!"
  74. bundle and separate! by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    I have a similarly confusing sounding setup. Many external drives, lots of network gear, oodles of power cables. My monitor cables are bundled together (1 signal+1 power) from one end to the other, as are the external drive cables. The power blocks are all together. The cables are all laid and tied down in such a way that I can lift any one device and have instant end-to-end access to all associated cables. The USB gear feeds into a pair of 8-port hubs, giving me two cables into the computer. There are probably five cables visible above desk level.

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    Operation Guillotine is in effect.
  75. erm just bundle your cables by goldcd · · Score: 1

    to shorten their length to what's needed. There's been a few mentions of velcro ties, but just coil it up in the middle, then wrap around the coil (think bow tie) and then just pull the loose end through the end loop... erm not explaining that well, but nothing required but the cable.
    Undoubtedly people'll whine I'm destroying my cables - but, well frankly I'll just buy a replacement if one ever goes. OK, maybe just for USB stuff..not ethernet etc.

  76. Cable Management... by eWarz · · Score: 1

    Not to advocate a particular site, but http://www.wirecare.com/ has PLENTY of solutions for cable management. They tend to carry a lot of Techflex stuff, such as braided sleeving, etc. that really help out with cable management.

  77. Network it and relocate extra stuff. by Technician · · Score: 1

    Network everything. Not everything has to live on or under your desk. My desk has the computer, Monitor, and local peripherals such as keyboard, mouse, speakers. Everything else is networked and out of the way. This includes NAS, Printer, VOIP SIP adaptor, router, modem, etc. Most of the rest of the stuff is on a shelf in the closet.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  78. DIY wiring harness? by arcsimm · · Score: 1

    I've started to lay out and lace together wiring harnesses for my machines. This is actually pretty easy for monitors, so I start with them: one standard power plug, one data cord (either DVI or DisplayPort for my stuff) and typically one USB cable for the in-monitor hub. Once you've arranged your other hardware on the desk, you can then start grouping together other bundles and tying them off to your main trunk. You end up with a nice, sturdy, self-contained structure, rather than a tangled mess. Later additions can be threaded into the harness as needed, or if you use twist or velcro ties you can rebuild the harness on the fly.

    It takes some upfront work, but the end result is satisfying and keeps the whole mess out of the way.

  79. I know just the thing by ak47wong · · Score: 1

    I read a great post on a website once about this very same topic. Check it out!

  80. Basics, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First, buy cables that are the appropriate length.

    Second, buy a roll of velcro.

    That alone will take you from "Dude, that's awful" to "Wow, that's terrific!"

  81. The stuff comes on rolls too by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Hit an electrical supply place and the rolls are cheap. Nearly every place that says "trade accounts only" is still happy to sell to the general public for cash, so long as it doesn't happen a lot.

  82. Monster Cables by jamesh · · Score: 1

    Use Monster Cables. Not only do they outperform other cables in all implausible tests, they are tangle-proof too.

  83. Sell it by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    Sell it and buy a laptop.

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    Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
  84. Vanishing cables by joelharrison · · Score: 1

    Get an iMac. Done.

  85. Twisty Ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Almost every electronics/computer catalog will have many different types of cable organizing solutions. I've had good luck tying cables into bundles using ordinary twist ties or plastic zip ties every 12" - 18". Specific cables can exit the bundle almost anywhere, but it keeps things organized fairly well. If your bundles get too big you might also need to color code. Twist ties are easier to maintain (plastic zip ties need to be cut-off and replaced when something gets added or deleted from the bundle), but they have a metal wire core which some purists don't like near cables. There are velcro ones in the catalogs but they tend to be spendy.

  86. Toilet paper rolls by John+Bayko · · Score: 1

    Use empty toilet paper rolls to take up the slack, that makes most cable messes a lot neater. Either for individual cables or for storage