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AMD Closes OSRC, Lays Off Several Linux Kernel Developers

From the H reporting on LinuxCon Europe comes news that several Linux kernel developers have been laid off by AMD as part of its workforce reduction. From the article: "OSRC staff primarily worked to develop the Linux support for AMD's server processors, but they also wrote code and extensions for related desktop and notebook CPUs – for example, they looked after the code to support CPU frequency scaling for the PowerNow and Turbo Core technologies. While working on the kernel's IOMMU and KVM support, one of AMD's former employees contributed to the development of the "IOMMU groups" feature that was integrated into Linux 3.6; this feature provides the basis for a new Linux 3.6 technology that allows a host's PCIe devices to be passed through to virtual machines and can also be used with Intel CPUs." Looks like the group was doing interesting research on hypervisors, lockless data structures, and multi-core synchronization primitives among other things. The Open Source Radeon driver developers are not affected by this at least.

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  1. I guess they don't want me to buy their products by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The AMD/ATI linux drivers suck, they are laying off their kernel folks, and no indication they have any plans to change. I hope they survive, but convincing me not to buy your products is not going to help.

  2. Not sure I understand... by Nemyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The server market, usually Linux-based, appears to be AMD's most stable market. Opterons are very often preferred over Xeons for a variety of reasons. So why exactly would AMD start axing developers in areas related to that? If anything, it'd make more sense to throttle down consumer processors and focus on graphics and server processors, no?

    1. Re:Not sure I understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess the problem is that the work of these guys affected real server performance in contrast to generic benchmarks. What they achieve is real life performance improvements in real applications running on Linux. But generic benchmarks rarely capture these advances, so their work has limited marketing value.

    2. Re:Not sure I understand... by dmbasso · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, they see the obvious: Windows 8 will dominate the supercomputer OS market [Unicode: U+2E2E]

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    3. Re:Not sure I understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll agree with this. Under Linux, much of the performance edge for Intel chips over AMD chips disappear. But what websites have these benchmarks? Phoronix has some simple ones but nothing that relevant. So we end up with review after review of Windows + Games even though AMD server optimizations in Linux would make it a compelling purchase option IF PEOPLE FREAKING KNEW ABOUT IT!

    4. Re:Not sure I understand... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The server market, usually Linux-based, appears to be AMD's most stable market. Opterons are very often preferred over Xeons for a variety of reasons.

      If all you read is slashdot, yes. Actually AMD's server market share has been in big decline from 15% in 2007 to below 5% today. They're quite well represented in the TOP500 as apparently they give good quantity discounts for the PR, but mainstream companies are >95% Intel now. And with AMD now betting on ARM servers that's certainly not going to improve in the short term.

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    5. Re:Not sure I understand... by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is allegations floating around that the Intel compiler puts checks in the binaries that will only turn on MMX and other advanced bits when running on a Genuine Intel

      Its not just allegation...

      Due the the FTC ruling against Intel, its still not too late to get reimbursed by Intel if you purchased Intels compiler. Only a few more months left on that.

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    6. Re:Not sure I understand... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      I guess getting reimbursed by Intel if you purchased AMD's processor is out of the question... :p

    7. Re:Not sure I understand... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know. First that Moses guy, and now this.

    8. Re:Not sure I understand... by corychristison · · Score: 2

      You can't pack 64 cores in a 1U server for ~$5000 (with moderate RAM and HDDs) with Intel.

      If you need massively parallel, high density, x86_64 compatible servers then AMD is king.

    9. Re:Not sure I understand... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2

      No, because since the economy failed companies are getting by on 2-3+ year old servers. Consumer computer purchases are still going strong, though.

      When you have a datacenter full of mostly idle servers, it makes no sense to upgrade them all. Especially because virtualization now allows one to consolidate 20+ mostly idle machines into a single physical computer.

  3. Too bad for AMD and all of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wish they'd start at the top... just look for the fuckers preparing their golden parachutes and sack them before they can deploy.

  4. Re:I guess they don't want me to buy their product by Grave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AMD is betting the farm on ARM-64. If it fails to take off in the server world, there won't be anything left of the company. Too many cuts and too deep. The worst part of that is that not only would we lose competition in the x86 space, but graphics competition at the high end would also be gone (unless Intel starts working miracles).

  5. Re:I guess they don't want me to buy their product by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has nothing to do with graphics drivers at all, those were completely unaffected. It might impact implementation of some new server features on Linux, but it is strictly about CPU and related features, not APU or GPU stuff.

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  6. Re:I guess they don't want me to buy their product by snadrus · · Score: 2

    I suspect Intel doesn't want to give any more help to GPU processing efforts which are making inroads at obsoleting their main CPU line for large workloads.

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  7. Re:And now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Run this as root, to turn the fan speed and GPU power to low:

    echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile

    Further details here:
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#With_KMS_enabled

  8. It sucks by chadruva · · Score: 2

    Time to look at alternatives...

    I wish I knew this before buying a quad core A6 laptop, their graphics card driver is abysmal compared to nVidia, which is increasing the performance of their drivers even more.

    AMD is doing a very risky bet, the ARM64 has not been well tested in real server workloads, it may as well flop and take the company with it, their opteron line was excellent for virtualization thanks to the many cores, hardware virtualization support and a good performance/price point this new ARM64 has only the low power utilization and low heat as main selling point.

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  9. Re:As an AMD shareholder... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    You really should care more about their stock which is 25% of their high.

    I'm guessing you mean their 52-week high? They've had a stock price of over 40 both in 2000 and 2006, since Intel introduced their Core micro-architecture they've lost over 95% of their value.

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  10. Re:I guess they don't want me to buy their product by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well if you look at who is at the industrial park at the 407 and Leslie (where ATI HQ is in Markham, just outside Toronto), qualcomm seems to have setup shop, and has a conspicuously large number of job openings for graphics people...

  11. Re:I guess they don't want me to buy their product by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Is there a good reason Intel doesn't get more serious about graphics hardware?

    Well, I'd say that the biggest reason they wouldn't is because then they'd have a problem "explaining" why they use up your CPU die for an IGP. Intel wants your GPU to be something that comes with your CPU, because that's obviously a huge advantage for Intel. That's why they've made real effort to improve Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell promises to take this even further. Reportedly their fastest IGP configuration GT3 is supposed to have 40 EUs compared to 16 in IVB, obviously it's unreleased yet but Intel claims to achieve same FPS on Skyrim at 1920x1080 on high quality as the HD4000 did at 1368x768 on medium quality. They're looking to win over the mass market laptops, the high end graphics cards are increasingly a niche for FPS gamers. There's a lot of WoW addicts that don't need anywhere near a GTX 680 to get their kicks.

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