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Why You Can't Build Your Own Smartphone: Patents

jfruh writes "In the mid-00s, more and more people started learning about Android, a Linux-based smartphone OS. Open source advocates in particular thought they could be seeing the mobile equivalent of Linux — something you could download, tinker with, and sell. Today, though, the Android market is dominated by Google and the usual suspects in the handset business. The reason nobody's been able to launch an Android empire from the garage is fairly straightforward: the average smartphone is covered by over 250,000 patents."

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  1. We, outside U$A, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    couldn't give a single f*ck.

    1. Re:We, outside U$A, by Lisias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But we should.

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    2. Re:We, outside U$A, by McDrewbs · · Score: 3

      Actually I believe we (the rest of the world) should purposely IGNORE the patent system till either it's "fixed" to an acceptable level or scrapped altogether.

    3. Re:We, outside U$A, by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Most sensible countries still don't allow software patents for trivial things.

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    4. Re:We, outside U$A, by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      I don't how that would be possible, considering the manipulation of people, by design, has them divided exactly down the middle on almost every issue, completely eliminating any chance of progress.

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    5. Re:We, outside U$A, by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many patents involved are valid outside of the USA. And there certainly are plenty of reasonable patents (i.e. actual inventions) in the mix. Not just software patents. And if you don't believe me, try building and selling your own smartphone. You'll soon enough find out about it.

    6. Re:We, outside U$A, by Desler · · Score: 2

      You wrongfully presume these 250,000 are all software patents. Many of them relate to hardware technology.

    7. Re:We, outside U$A, by kthreadd · · Score: 2

      couldn't give a single f*ck.

      So, where are these non-US garage phones and handsets?

    8. Re:We, outside U$A, by fatphil · · Score: 2

      As a non-yank, I happily gave my money to somebody like the EFF for my "USPTO - granting monopoly rights to common sense since 1860" (modulo my poor memory) T-shirt.

      So, agreed, we can posture and feel superiour about a few things (very few things, alas), but we should definitely not feel complacent that just because the root of the problem is "over there" it doesn't affect us.

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    9. Re:We, outside U$A, by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      It's not very different here in EU either to be frank. While most of the software "patents" are irrelevant and invalid here, the amount of hardware patents that cover both the "phone" and the "smart" part are significant enough to prevent rise of the new garage smart phone builder.

      In fact, that is one of the main reasons why nokia originally didn't worry about apple and google. They figured they'd be protected by patent portfolios. FRAND and big budgets behind these companies took care of that hurdle, but small companies lack funds even for FRAND-cost licensing.

      So this is a real problem.

    10. Re:We, outside U$A, by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      Whatever you're smoking, please, stop, it's bad for your brain.

      Okay, it's a bit of a bad joke, but the point I was making was important. People who "ignore" the patent system can get into big trouble. You end up spending far more to fix the problem after using a patent than you could have spent avoiding it. If you know of a patent then the right thing to do is to find a way to work around it. If you can't find a way to work around it then you should take some legal action around that patent. E.g. try to get it invalidated by showing prior art.

      Knowing that it is there but still ignoring it is a thing which the patent legislation specifically expects. The guys with the patent then get three times the money they would normally get from you.

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    11. Re:We, outside U$A, by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter. As long as you are small nobody cares about you. What matters is that, when you start to be big enough to have a commercial and / or social impact, the ability to shut you down exists.

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  2. Hard by jamesl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason nobody's been able to launch an Android empire from the garage is fairly straightforward: the average smartphone is covered by over 250,000 patents."

    And it's hard. And it costs a lot of money. And the market is full of very good competitors. Otherwise there's nothing stopping you.

    1. Re:Hard by Kjella · · Score: 2

      And it's hard. And it costs a lot of money. And the market is full of very good competitors. Otherwise there's nothing stopping you.

      Yeah. Are the people with the components you need even going to talk to you? I doubt Qualcomm is interested in selling you 10 LTE chips. Even if you could find all the parts you need and they already have drivers in Android, do a custom PCB layout and put it your own chassis it'll probably look and work like a cheap Chinese knock-off at a price higher than the "real thing". Forget patents, forget the FCC, is it even feasible to get a prototype up and running at a reasonable cost?

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    2. Re:Hard by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well a Spanish startup, Geeksphone, did so with 2 models.

      They probably would have succeeded, except their country is now in economic meltdown.

      So it *is* possible but not given the current financial climate that has seen Palm disappear and RIM and Nokia in a death spiral.

  3. False by Keruo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Patents won't touch you if you make 1-10 units.
    Other manufacturers won't consider you as worthwhile to legislate against since you most likely won't make any profit from those devices sold.
    From US point of view, good luck getting your device FCC approved, that'll be cheap and fun process!

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    1. Re:False by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Informative
      Nonsense. Patents apply to everybody. There's no exception for people who "only" make 1-10 units. Patents literally forbid you to tinker in your own home and then sell the item you just invented, if someone paid a fee and lodged a vague sounding description about something roughly similar already.

      It can't get more thoughtcrimeywimey than that.

    2. Re:False by BeanThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So basically you're saying that the system is OK because in an absurdly artificially restricted case you could potentially do it illegally without getting caught? OK, maybe technically (that's true of any crime), but that's not what normal people mean at all when they discuss things like this, nor is that an even meaningful hypothetical. (You can also get away with visiting a prostitute if you don't get caught or smoking a doobie if you don't get caught, but that's not relevant when normal people discuss whether it's morally valid or a positive or negative thing for these things to be illegal.)

    3. Re:False by dkf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nonsense. Patents apply to everybody. There's no exception for people who "only" make 1-10 units. Patents literally forbid you to tinker in your own home and then sell the item you just invented, if someone paid a fee and lodged a vague sounding description about something roughly similar already.

      But the reality is that if someone only makes 1-10 units then the patent holder is exceptionally unlikely to even notice. Moreover, the cost of litigating would make the likely gain for the patent holder really miniscule.

      The big barriers are that it isn't easy to do a good job of manufacturing a mobile phone without a lot of very specialized (and expensive) equipment, and that there are a lot of high-quality competitor devices out there. Chip manufacturing is not a backyard activity, and custom ICs (particularly ARM SoC) are completely the key to economic phone manufacturing. The real market barriers are damn high. (There are also legal and regulatory issues, but they don't explain why there are no such tinkerers anywhere.)

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    4. Re:False by pruss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But the reality is that if someone only makes 1-10 units then the patent holder is exceptionally unlikely to even notice.

      That one can get away with breaking a law isn't an excuse for doing so.

      There was a time when I wanted to use an open source MPEG-4 player on our PalmOS devices at home. I actually got a patent license from MPEG LA, since there are no fees for under 100,000 units or so. I expressly told them that I'd just be doing this for personal use. They sent me the license agreements overnight. Twice a year, I've had had to report the number of units, so I duly reported one per installed build, each time I installed a build. I don't think they realized how absurdly costly this was for them. Too bad for them: I kind of hoped they'd say that with such a small number of units, they're fine with me doing it without a license.

  4. Re:The more patents the better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My only reply to these statistics is: Today more trivial patents are filled for then ever before.

  5. What about the humble PC? by ryzvonusef · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many patents cover assembling a PC from parts, installing your own OS on it, and selling those? Anybody have a list or something? Genuinely curious.

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    I understand you might part with that right if you have the item subsidised, but after the contract ends, the root rights must flow back to you.

    Oh, and root rights should always be available on an unsubsidised device; the whole "warranty will be void" shtick doesn't fly with me. I mean on my PC, it would be void if I over-clocked it or whatever, not because I installed Linux instead of windows; similarly, warranty should not be voided simply because you change a ROM, only if you use an over-clocking app.

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    1. Re:What about the humble PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      What you want is CoreBoot http://www.coreboot.org/. The big difficulty in porting to a new platform is the lack of documentation in order to do the low level bit twiddling to bring the hardware up to a known good state (especially the memory controller if I remember correctly). I have been meaning to have a go once I get a few items off my plate...

    2. Re:What about the humble PC? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The basic PC architecture goes back to the IBM PC of 1981, long enough ago for those patents to have expired. What you're looking at now will be patents covering individual hardware components - hard drive head designs, chip layout techniques, that sort of thing. I imagine there are more than a few trivial ones in there too, but as you're only assembling components made by someone else into an unpatented design you're safe there. If you wanted to build your own harddrive or motherboard, then you'd be in trouble. You're only protected from patent problems because other, richer companies are taking care of it.

      Software-wise, though... forget it, if you're in the US or somewhere else that recognises software patents. It's impossible. There are just too many - remember that Microsoft even holds a patent on storing long and short form filenames in one filesystem. Your only hope is to license an OS from someone else, who will then assume the liability - and in practice, that means Microsoft.

  6. Re:But I just wanted to put rounded corners on it by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

    What's stopping you?

  7. Mid-00's?!? by imroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the mid-00s, more and more people started learning about Android...

    Android was announced in 2007 and the first Android phone wasn't sold until late 2008. Even the Neo1970 was from 2007/08, so I don't know what the submitter is referring to.

    1. Re:Mid-00's?!? by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Well, personally, I'd class mid-2003 through mid-2007 as the "mid-00's", so submitter is fine in my book, but since you are splitting hairs, maybe he was referring to Google's original purchase of Android Inc. which happened in August 2005? I'd saying being bought by Google, at a time when there was a fair bit of speculation that Google was interesting in mobile, would get a lot of people started with finding out something about this "Android" thing.

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    2. Re:Mid-00's?!? by dingen · · Score: 2

      The submitter is referring to Android before it was acquired by Google in 2005. It was entirely vaporware at the time, but it was generating some buzz.

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  8. Re:But I just wanted to put rounded corners on it by durrr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple wants $200 in royalties. Per corner.

  9. To elaborate on the hardware difficulties. by queazocotal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is totally ignoring the software and patent problems.

    To elaborate on why open-source hardware is hard, and why making a single phone will cost you over $10K.

    Why open-source software works is:
    Widely available repository of code.
    Many people able to review it, or sections of it, and understand it.
    Ease of submitting tested patches.

    Hardware has problems that don't really fit well with this.
    The open schematic is the trivially easy part, and not really a problem.
    (though in practice, you need a schematic with copious links to design documents, which isn't well solved by open tools).

    The number of people who can review it is rather smaller - as you can't open up a c file, and see a clear error or awkwardness in code that can be edited.

    For all but the most basic errors, you are going to have to sit down and read several hundred pages of hardware documentation about how the chips in question work, in addition to having in-depth knowledge about the circuit design, and costings of likely changes.

    Now, you've done this, and generated a patch that you think (for example) lowers the supply current by 1%.

    Compile - test.
    On a PC, this takes a couple of minutes.

    For something of a smartphone class, a one-off PCB may cost several hundred dollars. Then the parts will cost another several hundred dollars in small quantities, as well as being difficult to obtain.
    Now, you have to solder the parts onto the board, which is a decidedly nontrivial thing - and if you decide you want someone else to do this, it's probably another several hundred dollars.

    So, you're at the thick end of a thousand dollars for a 'compile'.

    Now, you boot the device, and it exhibits random hangs.

    Neglecting the fact that you are going to need several hundred to several thousand dollars of test equipment, you now have to find
    the bug.

    Is it:
    A) The fact that unlabled 0.5*1mm component C38 is in fact 20% over the designed value, as the assembly company put the wrong one in.
    B) C38 has a tiny bridge of solder underneath it that is making intermittent contact.
    C) The chipmaker for the main chip hasn't noticed that their chip doesn't quite do what they say it will do, and the datasheet is wrong.
    D) You missed a tangential reference on page 384 of the datasheet to proper setup of the RAM chip, and it is pure coincidence that all models up till now have booted.
    E) Because you're ordering small quantities, you had to resort to getting the chips from a distributor who diddn't watch their supply chain really carefully, and your main chip has in fact been desoldered from a broken cellphone.
    F) Though the design of the circuit is correct, and the board you made matches that design, and all the parts are correct and work properly, the inherent undesired elements introduced by real life physics means it doesn't work.
    G) A completely random failure of a part that could occur with even the best design, and best manufacture.

    G - may mean that it's worthwhile making two or more of each revision - which of course boosts costs.

    Hardware is nasty.

    This gets a lot less painful of course for lower end hardware. For very limited circuits, which can be done on simple inexpensive PCBs, and be easily soldered at home - costs of a 'compile' can be in the tens of dollars, or even lower.

    1. Re:To elaborate on the hardware difficulties. by queazocotal · · Score: 3, Informative

      FPGAs are essentially not used in mobile phones, for power efficiency and other reasons.
      Nor is opening up the code for any hardware you can get source for (nothing) useful, as making your own chips from them will cost at best many tens of thousands.

    2. Re:To elaborate on the hardware difficulties. by queazocotal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FPGAs are always going to be more expensive, and less power efficient for given tasks than comparable single function silicon.
      There is, even in the most efficiently implemented design in a FPGA, considerable area wasted by interconnects, and suboptimal use of resources.

      It's like making a working device from lego.
      Yes, you may be able to do it, but if you make it as one moulded piece, it's going to be lots cheaper.

      There are also no CPLDs in mobile phones.

    3. Re:To elaborate on the hardware difficulties. by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 2

      As an engineer who has done embedded hardware design for the past 25 years, I'd say your prices are off by a factor of 10 on the low side, at least. Other than excessive optimism on cost, though, you're right on the money on every other point.

  10. Patents won't stop you by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Patents won't stop you from building a couple of devices in your garage; but, they'll be as useful as bricks. You have to get the radios FCC certified and then run the gauntlet of certification hoops to convince the cell provider to allow you to connect your garage built device to their network. There are radio modules available that would speed up the process -- basically pre-certified modules that handle the entire cell phone function. You might be able to do it using these... But they're huge, relatively speaking. You won't be building a sexy device like a Galaxy S, iPhone, or Droid with them.

    We've done it on equipment we're designing for deployment; but, I have the advantage of being able to call Verizon and say, "I'm Confused, an electrical and software engineer with Big-Company. I am using a cell radio module from A_well_known_manufacturer. I need to activate it on our account for testing..." And, by the way, we won't do that until we're pretty damn sure the thing will work right.

  11. patents and engineering by confused+one · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an engineer, I thought I would point out there are two ways we deal with patents:

    Method 1: Once you have an idea, do a thorough patent search and verify your idea does not appear to violate any patents. If it does, re-design the widget so it avoids the patent.

    Method 2: Ignorance is bliss. Design and build it.

    I can tell you, if you use method 1 you will need an enormous staff and risk never getting anything done. Despite it all, you still won't be safe because someone will come along with patent claims anyway, even though you did a most thorough due diligence search. I'm not saying you ignore patents, that would be unethical. Company I work for has a record of the patents related to our products that we have been made aware of. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to go looking for trouble.

    1. Re:patents and engineering by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1 also doesn't work because a lot of patents now are so broad they can't be worked around. Often so broad they'd get thrown out in court, after you'd spend a few hundred thousand dollars in legal fees.

    2. Re:patents and engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At my (prominant semiconductor) company, we have been specifically urged by Legal to NEVER do patent searchs. Since the penalty for knowingly infringing is triple that for unknowing infringement, this policy apparently makes some kind of legal sense.

    3. Re:patents and engineering by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Method 1: Once you have an idea, do a thorough patent search and verify your idea does not appear to violate any patents. If it does, re-design the widget so it avoids the patent.

      This highlights the problem with the obviousness criteria as used by the patent office. If you have an idea of your own and then have to search to be sure someone else didn't have that same idea to then workaround it, its clear that idea is obvious. If it weren't obvious, you, as a skilled practitioner of your profession, wouldn't be able to simply think of it out of nowhere, you'd have to read the patent to actually figure out how that invention works, or otherwise go do some serious research.

      The patent system wouldn't be the insensate thing it is today if the obviousness criteria was focused on actual obviousness. A legal recourse against an obvious patent should be something very fast and very cheap, something akin to a judge ordering 10 random engineers in the field to read the patent under dispute in the morning, asking them whether it was obvious in the afternoon, and 7 of then replying "yes", presto, patent invalidated. Alas, it ain't so...

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    4. Re:patents and engineering by jc42 · · Score: 2

      ... if after this you see any lawyers alleging breach of patent, kill the[m].

      And you can do this without even worrying about violating a "business method" patent. After all, there is prior art going back centuries. Thus, in Henry VI Part 2, the character Dick says "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." That dates to 1591, which should be old enough that it's now public domain.

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  12. Re:But I just wanted to put rounded corners on it by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    So Apple has cornered the market?

  13. What about GeeksPhone and Jolla? by pnot · · Score: 4, Informative

    GeeksPhone are doing pretty much what TFA claims is impossible. Why haven't they been sued? Too small to be worth the trouble? Jolla (50 employees) aren't exactly a behemoth either. OK, so Jolla haven't released anything yet and thus can't be sued, but the fact that the company was formed implies that they don't consider the 250,000 patents a problem. (Yeah, I know, not Android, but the same principles apply.)

  14. Let me fix that by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Most sensible countries still don't allow software patents.

    1. Re:Let me fix that by anubi · · Score: 2

      I note some countries attract lots of financial business because they set themselves up as "tax havens", shielding cash flows from the heavy taxation levied by some governments.

      Other countries will set themselves up as manufacturing havens, allowing production without being forced to obey some other sovereign's rules.

      There will be constant law enforcement activity trying to keep people from running this countries surplus of goods into countries controlled by politicians who passed law making production of those goods illegal in their country. This will result in an outflow of wealth from countries crippled by counterproductive law.

      Yet more countries will print money to pay for importing what they no longer can make themselves. Eventually economics will do them in. Their leaders will sell off their country's resources one by one to keep themselves in power, while enacting law after law to keep their tenacious hold on monopolistic power; monopolies based not on economics, but politics.

      Call me jaded.... but I know I learned everything I know from my teachers and disassembling things I found. Using that, I was able to reassemble things in different ways to do different things. I remember building my first phonograph, radio, telephone, etc. Will our next generation be limited to assembling fast food? I am finding the only decent "toys for nerds" are now originating outside the US, As far as I can see, the US has already crumbled to the greed of the few enforced by a Congress voted in power by obedient sheep who vote for who they are told to vote for.

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  15. Re:Use software radio (SDR) by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Software-defined radio is not some magic wand you wave and poof! wireless telecom. It eventually gets down to physical RF hardware. And when that hardware operates in the gigahertz band (which it will have to do unless you want the FCC on your ass), you need high-tech RF transceiver hardware like SAW filters and gigahertz amplifiers, which are patented *in their own right* as electronic components, whether they're in a phone or not.

    Too many computer programmers are used to accomplishing miracles in software, and they forget that somewhere in the background, there's an electrical engineer that made their miracle possible.

  16. A bridge too far by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, come on. The "patent system is screwed up" argument started with software and algorithms, and continued with patents on DNA and organisms. And yeah, in those cases it was pretty clear the patent system wasn't working as intended. I'm with you on that one. But now here at Slashdot we're upset that ingenious physical devices, devices that took years of work to design and whose operation is by no means obvious, should not be patented.

    There can be no question that something like a SAW filter is a new, non-obvious, useful device. So at this point, you're arguing that patents should not exist at all. And I won't follow you there.

    You really have no idea how much brainpower went into designing the individual components within a cell phone. An iPhone is a miracle the first time you see one, then it's a handy tool, and then your familiarity makes it seem blindingly obvious. But tens of thousands of people spent billions of person-hours figuring out how to build the thousands of unique devices inside. And I think those people should receive some reward for their efforts.

  17. Not only mobile phones by drolli · · Score: 2

    I once thought about creating a matlab implementation for a specific domain and use case. After looking at the patents which Mathworks holds, i stopped that. Many of these are for sure trivial, but if you would place somthing which they consider competition, you will not survive the lawsuit.

  18. Re:The more patents the better by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We are actually witnessing fewer patent suits per patent issued today than the historical average"

    So if there are, say, only 0.1 suits per patent, a startup trying to market their own smartphone will only have to win 25,000 court cases, and they'll then be free to sell it on the "Open Market".

    It may not be immediately obvious to all readers how this qualifies as promoting the "Progress of Science and useful Arts", as the phrase goes.

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  19. Holy fuck. by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

    Over 250,000 patents? That's probably more security than a medieval fortress with a thick, heavy steel fence and barbed wire, a surrounding moat and drawbridge, snipers, and dozens of guards operating turret guns and cannons. I'm sorry, but that's just uncalled for for something as simple as a god damn phone. If that's not stifling the fuck out of innovation, then I don't know what is. How the hell has this come to be without the government seeming to even give a fuck, even with the heavy lobbying of companies with their own interests? Corruption at its finest.