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The Release Candidate For Linux Mint 14 "Nadia" Is Out
First time accepted submitter Type44Q writes "Well, the latest edition of Mint is finally here (the release candidate, anyway); according to The Linux Mint Blog, 'For the first time since Linux Mint 11, the development team was able to capitalize on upstream technology which works and fits its goals. After 6 months of incremental development, Linux Mint 14 features an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience. We're very proud of MATE, Cinnamon, MDM and all the components used in this release, and we're very excited to show you how they all fit together in Linux Mint 14.'"
Me, If i developed anything and name it nice names, like "Fuckoff" "sloppyshit", "kludge", and "ididyourmom"
Lemme guess, you're involved in the GIMP project?
There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.
Here's a hint for you: N is the 14th letter of the alphabet.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
MATE is basically Gnome2 but updated. Cinnamon is Gnome3 but has a much better UI than Gnome Shell.
Maybe he's just angry that they didn't nickname it "Nyder" :-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
This would sum it up well for you: -
MATE is basically a less ugly version of all GNOME releases; CINNAMON is even better.
He was a president, and his motor skills were often called into question, hence, the article you read.
hth,
Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Ubuntu is the "go to" version of GNU\Linux, based on the incredibly good Debian, but supports features without sacrificing too much stability, and because it has some money thrown at it. Has rightfully become the most popular distribution out there.
Unfortunately Gnome; Microsoft; Apple; Canonical have all made the decision that the future is ditching mice and keyboard, and running our fingers all over the screen.
Mint has become popular simply by supplying a desktop that those of us who still love mice and keyboards love [whatever you think of that]
In short its a great new OS release, get it downloaded and installed now...or at least read the article before posting on Slashdot.
EFF posted an article about full-disk encryption (FDE) in Ubuntu 12.10 and how easy it is to set up through ubiquity, the application used to install Ubuntu. The article also mentions that the next version of Mint, which is based on Ubuntu and therefore uses ubiquity for installation, should have the same easy FDE option.
FDE is good for privacy and security; as EFF's article notes, having it be as simple as possible to set up can only be a good thing. If this new version of Linux Mint features this FDE option, I will strongly consider switching to it, and will certainly try it out at the very least.
I've quite happily settled into Mint Cinnamon for the last year. That followed a year or two of Ubuntu - pre-Unity, Windows of various vintages, and a MAc G4.
Mint "Just Works". Installs easy, does everything that I want without headaches.
And with Vista in a Virtual machine I can even run Quickbooks, the single program that forced to boot into Windows once a month for bookkeeping and invoicing.
I've got enough years of computers behind me that I really want easy, reliable, and stable. Mint does all of those things.
Three Squirrels
It's not *a* MAJOR linux distro, it is, according to several sources, *the* MAJOR linux distro, after masses of Ubuntu users jumped ship in the Unity/Gnome 3 debacle.
Certainly this machine will be switching from Ubuntu to Mint shortly.
Nadia,
Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.)
Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic)
Dew in Persian
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)
Cinnamon is just a fork of Gnome Shell from Gnome3, but proper in appearance and operation and with actual working applets like Gnome2 and in general discarding all the garbage in the "real" Gnome Shell.
Microsoft, Apple et al used shills and reputation managers to chase anyone interested in technology away.
Now Slashdot is full of marketing drones trying to flog their latest product, and their only interest in Linux is ensuring nobody wants to try it.
Disclaimer: I have used Mate but I have not used Cinnamon.
AIUI Mate and cinnamon are two different approaches to the same problem.
The problem being that the gnome developers decided to throw out the boring but functional gnome2 and replace it with the radical gnome3 and further the distro vendors decided to allow gnome3 to take the package names previously used by gnome2 thereby screwing those users who wanted to stick with the desktop they knew while upgrading the rest of their OS (and things are sufficiantly tightly coupled in the linux world that sticking with an old OS version is not really a reasonable option).
The mate approach has been to fork gnome2 and rename the components to remove the config. This produced immediate results but long term leaves them with a load of forked stuff that perhaps doesn't really need to be forked and no easy way of getting any good stuff that comes out of gnome3. The cinnamon approach is to try and build a traditional GUI within the gnome3 framework, this avoids relying on outdated and barely maintained foundations but it also means a lot more work upfront and probablly more user visible change and runs the risk that gnome will decide to screw everyone again.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I like the idea that Mint includes a lot of stuff out of the box (mp3 etc). However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface. I don't see that as an option, which makes it seem a bit ancient.
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
It should read "whoever started"
"whoever" is performing the action (started), it is the subject of that clause.
Don't try to use proper English if you don't know the rules.
Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Linux Mint is a computer operating system based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. Linux Mint adds many features that baseline Ubuntu does not have, one of which is providing a more complete out of the box experience.
MATE is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2.
Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME Shell, initially developed by (and for) Linux Mint. It attempts to provide a more traditional user environment based on the desktop metaphor, like GNOME 2.
Why is there MATE and Cinnamon? Well, you can start by reading: Controversy over GNOME 3.
hmm is Mint the most popular Linux Desktop distro? I've heard about Mint, and that it was a response to Unity. Still I hadn't kept tabs on it lately, and didn't know whether it had fully capitalized on the Unity debacle. Also, I'm not shopping for Linux systems lately since I've been using NeuroDebian and centOS exclusively in my fMRI analyses.
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
With Cinnamon, it definitely doesn't have the program menus at the top of the screen (at least by default; I didn't check if you can get that as option), although it does have those annoying dialog windows which are attached to the main window's title bar, non-movable, usually hiding the stuff you want to see, and since the programs usually were not designed for that, often even missing critical information (the most extreme was a dialog asking "yes" or "no", without any hint what it was asking about, because the developer thought I could read that off the window title), which I've heard is copied from OS X. I haven't found a way to disable this and return to sane movable, title-bearing dialogs (well, ideally most dialogs should even be non-modal, but that's the application developer's fault, not the window manager's).
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.
There is nothing informative about "an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience". At the very least the summary could have contained something detailed or specific about the distro release apart from its name.
Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
If you think Mate is a strange little Linux distro you are clearly not up to date.
What it has to offer that other well-known distros have not? Well, a more traditional Gnome interface that Gnome Shell or Unity.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Yes, there should have been a description of what is new in that version. But that's something different from describing what Linux Mint actually is.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Linux Mint is a distribution of Linux that is based off of Ubuntu. Like Ubuntu, it uses Debian packages.
When Ubuntu made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("Unity") and the GNOME project made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("GNOME Shell"), Linux Mint in turn made the decision to support those of us who loved GNOME 2. We have two options: MATE and Cinnamon. Both are well-supported by Linux Mint (and in fact primary development on both is by Linux Mint guys).
MATE is simply a fork of GNOME 2. For reasons that are not clear to me, GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 cannot co-exist on the same system... something about library conflicts. (Doesn't Linux have library versioning that should make it possible to avoid these conflicts? Eh, moving on.) The MATE project did a mass rename on everything in GNOME ("libgnome" -> "libmate", etc.) so MATE can co-exist on the same system with GNOME 3. So, those of us who loved the smooth polish that came from man-decades of development in GNOME can still use it.
But MATE isn't the future. From what I have heard, the library underpinnings of GNOME 3 really have improved over GNOME 2, and the new technology is a step up. Who wants to be locked into a frozen clone of GNOME 2 forever? Thus, Cinnamon. Cinnamon is a project to build on top of GNOME 3 and provide a user experience similar to GNOME 2. New plugins, new themes, etc. all go together to make a very usable desktop; but GNOME 3 apps will work seamlessly with it.
Many disgruntled Ubuntu users have abandoned Ubuntu for Linux Mint. Mint is now the top Linux distribution on distrowatch.com; I'm not sure it was even in the top ten before the whole Unity/GNOME Shell fiasco, but now it's number one.
A comment I have seen multiple times on Slashdot from different people: the Linux Mint guys are focused on making their users happy, rather than making something new. Where the GNOME Shell guys promise a "consistent and recognisable visual identity", and Mark Shuttleworth (the head Ubuntu guy) said "This is not a democracy. [...] we are not voting on design decisions.", the Linux Mint guys promise that you will "Love your Linux, Feel at Home, Get things Done!"
Linux Mint has always focused on making a beautiful system that is out-of-the-box usable. Now they are one of the top choices for people who have rejected Unity and GNOME Shell.
For me, the most important part of the announcement is that they have the password keeper working right now. I'm using Linux Mint on a laptop at work, and I can't connect to Windows shares; I'm hoping the new updates will sort that out for me.
Since this is based on Debian packages, I can probably just update in place without needing to do a full re-install.
P.S. One of my biggest complaints about GNOME 3 is that I can no longer take sit a Windows user down and just say "it works pretty much like what you are used to". You may like GNOME Shell and you may think it is better, but you cannot argue that it is very different, and it would take a bit of training before a guest could use it. Linux Mint, on the other hand, works a lot like pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows; with a little customization and theming I'll bet you could fool people into thinking it was actually Windows XP.
Likewise with Unity, it is pretty different from Windows. But it's very similar to the Mac, so maybe users familiar with the Mac can use it?
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Nadia,
Moist and dewy
I think I know her.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros.
Short Answer : There is only Ubuntu
Longer Answer: If your not interested in Linux your shouldn't. That is the short answer, and even if you are interested in linux you shouldn't. The reality is. Distributions [Distro for short] are just that collections packages [Applications/Modules Building Blocks that make up a modern OS with sensible selection of programs] together in essence a kernel[BSD/Linux] Userland[GNU] + Display Server[X and Wayland] + Windows Manager[KDE/Gnome/XFCE] + Office Package[LibreOffice Calligra Suite] + Internet Browser....you get the idea.
Now because Linux can be tailored for different processors processors [ARM;Mips...] different community is [Religious Christianity and Location Brazilian] Specialist [Boot Disks; Extra Secure]...but if your using any of these then you know why! there is even a Ubuntu Satanic Edition http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ Satanists.
But mainstream there really is only Debian, Ubuntu(Popular Debian variant), and Fedora(You have heard of Red Hat) [Yes I could easily add a couple more :)]. In context of this article Mint should be considered Ubuntu without Unity[Its own Metro nighmare]
Seriously install a distribution its not hard.
Apple shills are getting strange.
I was thinking of switching from Ubuntu to PCLinuxOS, because I want to use a computer without ever needing to reinstall, in other words, rolling releases.
Mint looks really nice, but I don't think it has rolling releases.
Has anyone else used that PCLinuxOS, and how is it? Any better rolling releases distros out there that aren't too hard to install and set up?
Mint is an end-user distribution targeted to the same public that uses Ubuntu. The main difference between them is the UI. Mint decided to keep the traditional UI, while Ubuntu chose to go to Unity,
Mint is on the lead since the beginning of 2012:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html
And was in first place at least until August 2012:
http://www.zdnet.com/the-5-most-popular-linux-distributions-7000003183/
it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
"The Chicago Mercantile Exchange employs an all-Linux computing infrastructure and has used it to process over a quadrillion dollars worth of financial transactions[82][83]
The Chi-X pan-European equity exchange runs its MarketPrizm trading platform software on Linux.[83]
The London Stock Exchange uses the Linux based MillenniumIT Millennium Exchange software for its trading platform and predicts that moving to Linux from Windows will give it an annual cost savings of at least £10 million ($14.7 million) from 2011-12[84][85]
The New York Stock Exchange uses Linux to run its trading applications.[83"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters#Business
There is no such a word in Persian. I have never heard such a word in Persian during my 40 years of life.
I've never heard more than a handful of words in Persian during my 30 years of life, but I don't deny the rest of the language exists...
well, before jumping to conclusions you should have looked up previous names:
1.0 - Ada
2.0 - Barbara
2.1 - Bea
2.2 - Bianca
3.0 - Cassandra
3.1 - Celena
4.0 - Daryna
5 LTS - Elyssa
6 - Felicia
7 - Gloria
8 - Helena
9 LTS - Isadora
10 - Julia
11 - Katya
12 - Lisa
13 LTS - Maya
14 - Nadia
This way it makes much more sense, doesn't it?
Who the fuck modded this insightful!? Yes, Sherlock, it's the 14th letter of the alphabet. Thanks for your "clue".
Why the vile? Here, have some knowledge:
Names of full releases, see the pattern? Female names alphabetically.
Ada
Barbara
Cassandra
Daryna
Elyssa
Felicia
Gloria
Helena
Isadora
Katya
Lisa
Maya
Nadia
I have trouble taking Mint seriously. I only hear about it when people complains about Unity.
No, seriously, every single time I hear about Mint is because there's some controversial thing about Ubuntu and a lot of guys come in saying "I moved to Mint years ago because I am tired of $NEWS_TOPIC". At times there are also Mint comments even if the news about Ubuntu are good (I am sure I saw a "I moved to Mint..." routine on a few of the Steam for Linux news reports in Ubuntu-related news sites).
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is. Until I find a real happy user as opposed to someone complaining about Canonical in every Ubuntu-related news, it just sounds like haters got busy inflating scores (wouldn't be the first time something of the sort happens). Everyone I know uses the same usual subjects, and while anecdote is not proof, I've met a sizable amount of Linux users from being a developer. Not even a single issue reported by Mint users.
So, is there someone using Mint for any reason that is not spiting Canonical? I'd like to know, just to make sure I receive information not coming from people giving the impression of being zealots. They seriously need some PR as opposed to just say bad things about the competition.
It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
This is completely off-topic... but I'd really like to change that to "Maoist and dewy", and see how long it took anyone to catch on.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is.....It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
You should read through the comments. People on the whole love Debian, and love Ubuntu's spin on Debian. Most mint users also *love* Ubuntu. What they don't love is "Unity" They love "Cinnomon". In fact thats what they talk about in the summary.
Unity
====
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)
Cinnamon
=======
http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
Look at the pictures. One comes with a menu panel...the other a full screen of applications icons similar to a smartphone.
People are not zealots, they are exercising choice on a platform that allows it. In fact Mint is basically Ubuntu with Unity replace with Cinnamon. In fact so many people prefer cinnamon over unity mint has become the most popular download on distrowatch.
You must be new here. Mint has been mentioned plenty of times on /., has been in the top few most popular on Distrowatch and received a lot of attention from several other top Linux and OS sites for a few years now, and has gained a ton more popularity since the GNOME project went nuts and Ubuntu accepted GNOME 3 and went with that Unity BS. Mint is a "major" distro in the opinion of many, and is becoming THE distro for home/desktop use.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
Yeah right its the name!?
Unlike Microsoft - Whistler, Longhorn, Blackbomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames
Android - Cupcake, Donught, Eclair ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Linux Pink Farting Weasel, Holy Dancing Manatees, Batman!, Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
OS X Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
The adoption rate in enterprise has clearly nothing to do with its codename. I think its the usual reasons Monopolistic abuse. Oddly the most used OS's in mobile have the least stern names. I guess that is why Microsoft is a failure in mobile.
Here's a hint for you: N is the 14th letter of the alphabet.
Depends on what alphabet you use.
Which is relevant considering how short the US one will last.
There's a US alphabet now? How does it differ from the English one?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
though I still prefer Mint's Debian Edition to the Ubuntu-based versions.
Well, obviously, it's closer to the real thing.
Though I can't imagine why you don't just run the real thing.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
lame but easy way to check - right-click on network manager applet, if nothing happens - it's cinnamon.
Nadia, Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.) Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic) Dew in Persian
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)
Also means "rivers" in Hindi
What does that mean exactly?
Based on the "marketing" of Ubuntu and others
and one should always believe marketing,
the down-stream copies are configured with all the apps that you are likely to need and will automatically update these. The assumption is that Debian needs more things to be user-installed.
Because
apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
is so hard.
Also I believe downstream apps do more to self-configure to the hardware - certainly Linux Mint installs without issues on my Lenovo E525 whereas Ubuntu needs some manual steps so I would assume that the setup is not in the Debian base.
So it seems Ubuntu at least doesn't do much more to self-configure the hardware.
I admit that I probably underestimate how difficult it is to install things - I installed Debian Sid on a Sony Vaio Z series.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Ubuntu screwed up with Unity, which did more to divide the Linux landscape than any other event in recent history. Mint has been working harder than anyone to make sure people can work hard with a useful desktop. Thank you all.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
No, a jackass is one who thinks that it's cute and funny to introduce confusing reference designation schemes ...
No, a Jackass is one who stubbornly complains about things of little significance, and antagonizes others instead of doing anything productive at all. Sound familiar? It should.
Debian Lenny. [snip dubious claims of friendship].
The names are just codenames, you know like everyone uses: "Longhorn", "Chicago", "Tiger", "Snow Leopard", etc. They don't matter in the least bit except to the devs and irrational people like you. Debian is from the names Deborah and Ian, who started the distro. Lenny and the other names used for Debian releases are from the Pixar movie: Toy Story. Etch, Wheezy, etc. Sid is always the development branch's name, the kid that destroys toys... It's really not that hard or confusing and, in the case of Sid, it might actually help you remember what that version is all about.
Whether or not you like naming conventions is irrelevant. If you don't like it then use a different distribution, repackage and rename one, or take the source and roll your own -- name it however you like, or even use some other OS entirely... Hell, you can even develop your own OS, compilers, and languages from scratch, Like I'm doing.
Instead of just bitch about how things are colossally fucked at all levels, I prefer to put my money (read: time) where my mouth is and develop something that's better, more secure, & less irritating (to me). Who knows, maybe my ideas will suck, or maybe my demonstrations will prove interesting and influence more popular OSs & Compilers (to use a different call stack for code pointers than data and parameters, etc). In any event, at least I won't be an obnoxious, worthless, belligerent, whiny Jackass.