BeOS Clone Haiku Releases R1 Alpha 4

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BeOS Clone Haiku Releases R1 Alpha 4

Posted by Unknown on Monday November 12, 2012 @11:50AM from the unix-haters-handbook dept.

New submitter kallisti5 writes "The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today. A year and four months have passed since the 3rd alpha release. Haiku R1A4 includes several enhancements such as a large number of bug fixes, early IPv6 support, better drivers, improved file system support, better localization, and a wide variety of new features and applications." Multimedia enhancements include support for modern Intel and Radeon HD cards.

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First Haiku by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 11:56 · Score: 0

WOW! :-)
By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Taco+Cowboy · 2012-11-12 11:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

... and nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.

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1. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:04 · Score: 1
  
  no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...
2. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by chris200x9 · 2012-11-12 12:05 · Score: 1
  
  Right just like nobody knows what e17 is about...
3. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:06 · Score: 1
  
  oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..
4. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by origin2k · 2012-11-12 12:07 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Be is gone so sad
  Haiku is here so no fear
  Bits and bytes take time
5. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:08 · Score: -1
  
  I tried to jerk off.
  No orgasm, but I did write
  four haikus from it.
6. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:12 · Score: -1
  
  Negroes are worthless
  Even the ones who play sports
  The White man's burden
7. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:13 · Score: -1
  
  Blacks are smelly beasts
  They all need to be hosed down
  And then sent back home
8. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:13 · Score: -1
  
  I'm not fond of Japs
  But at least they're not negroes
  And Haiku is fun
9. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:15 · Score: -1
  
  Beware of Whites who
  Say that we are all equal
  They are idiots
10. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:15 · Score: -1
  
  fat us virgin
  al queda kicked your butt
  ha ha ha ha ha
11. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:17 · Score: 0
  
  You go down on me
  And I will pleasure you, too
  Maybe in the butt.
12. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:20 · Score: -1
  
  Your ass is so nice
  Your penis inspiring
  Do me. Do me now.
13. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:21 · Score: -1
  
  Tits: spectacular
  Your booty is nice as well
  Are we going to fuck?
14. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:28 · Score: -1
  
  Aye, lemme holla
  Aye girl, you with the fat ass
  Aiight, fuck you then
15. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Scarletdown · 2012-11-12 12:30 · Score: 1
  
  no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...
  And very few seem to realize that there is no X in either Playstation or Playstation 1 (aka PS1, not to be confused with the IBM PS/1).
  
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16. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:31 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  the slashdot racists
  trolling with small endowment
  go back to 4chan
17. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by lucmove · 2012-11-12 12:43 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  In 10 years, nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.
  ...unlike today, when hordes of people know what "Haiku" and "BeOS" are all about. Right?
18. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:00 · Score: 1
  
  It's only really sad
  if you still give a fuck
  which too would be sad
19. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:02 · Score: 1
  
  oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..
  The Mormans use it?
20. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:24 · Score: 1
  
  PSX was the internal codename used for the PlayStation. PS1 was never used and PSOne was only used for the redesigned slim model.
21. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Scarletdown · 2012-11-12 13:36 · Score: 1
  
  I use PS1 similar to how The Great War later became known as World War I, one of those after the fact things.
  And thanks for explaining where the term PSX came from. I'm still tempted now to feign surprise at how we missed out on the Playstation 4 through 9 though whenever people continue to refer to the original Playstation as the PSX. Muahahahaha.
  
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22. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 14:01 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  O.S. philistine
  can't count haiku syllables
  so his verse is fail
23. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by zikoo · 2012-11-12 14:29 · Score: 1
  
  If I remeber just right, everyone used to say that everone else would forget about e17.
24. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Atomic+Fro · 2012-11-12 16:36 · Score: 1
  
  Ack, I hate that. They don't seem to realize that the PSX was a different piece of kit.
  
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25. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 18:17 · Score: 1
  
  The Mormans use it?
  Too much LDS back in the '60s.
26. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by aliquis · 2012-11-12 19:43 · Score: 2
  
  Legion of the undead?
  We have that in the Amiga camp to. :D
27. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by 91degrees · 2012-11-12 22:55 · Score: 1
  
  You can more or less say that about it now.
  
  Personally, I loved BeOS, but for various reasons ended up as something of a dead end. Everything else has moved on. There are still a few nice idea in the OS but I'd far prefer to see them incorporated into something new.
28. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by UltraZelda64 · 2012-11-12 23:08 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Haiku has been making excellent progress over the last couple of years compared to another clone, ReactOS. Haiku is actually quite usable as it is and pretty stable. In fact, I'd say its stability gives Win9x and even most Windows XP installations I've seen a run for their money. I don't mess with Windows any more since XP, but I do know at least one person who kept getting program crashed and BSODs in Vista and he still gets them occasionally in 7. ReactOS, by comparison, feels like a pre-alpha at best, or an old Win9x release at the worst. As far as reaching R1 goes, I don't think there'll be anywhere near 10 years of waiting... the OS feels pretty good as it is already.
29. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Pieroxy · 2012-11-13 00:47 · Score: 2
  
  Giving Win9x a run for its money in terms of stability is almost an insult. The thing barely booted up !
  XP is another matter.
  
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  Write boring code, not shiny code!
30. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by BenoitRen · 2012-11-15 10:11 · Score: 1
  
  Giving Win9x a run for its money in terms of stability is almost an insult. The thing barely booted up !
  
  I know it's popular to hate on Win9x, but quit spreading bullshit like that.
31. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Pieroxy · 2012-11-15 20:00 · Score: 1
  
  I've used Windows 2, then 3, then 3.1 then 95, then 98, then ME. They are such monumental piece of crap that they - IMO - do not deserve the title of OS. They were a poorly written graphical layer on top of DOS, which was just a "Disk Operating System". It managed disks and barely anything else.
  Granted, over the years, they added several things, such as printer drivers support, graphics drivers support etc and it made it look more and more like a full fledged operating system. However, trying to run a few things in parallel invariably resulted in a crash a few minutes down the line.
  You see, the problem was that all apps had the full control over the entire machine, by design, since it was the way things were back in old DOS mode and backward compatibility was "paramount". One bad app (and there were plenty) and the whole system would go down in flames - or to a grinding halt.
  So no, I was not "spreading bullshit" as you put it. Instead, I was depicting the sad truth of Microsoft's early GUI days.
  So now, tell me, what was so great about Win9x that you have to jump at every slashdot post that tries to say anything bad about them?
  
  --
  Write boring code, not shiny code!
32. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by BenoitRen · 2012-11-16 00:15 · Score: 1
  
  They were a poorly written graphical layer on top of DOS, which was just a "Disk Operating System".
  
  This is popular revisionism. Starting with Windows 3.1 it was no longer a DOS program as it used its own drivers and did its own memory management.
  
  You see, the problem was that all apps had the full control over the entire machine, by design, since it was the way things were back in old DOS mode and backward compatibility was "paramount".
  
  Nonsense. Windows 95 and its younger brethren are preemptive multi-tasking OSs.
  
  So now, tell me, what was so great about Win9x that you have to jump at every slashdot post that tries to say anything bad about them?
  
  I'm more a fan of Windows 95 than Win9x, really. I like how they are fast, don't swallow huge amounts of memory to operate, have zero DRM and great backwards compatibility.
  I use Windows 95 OSR 2.5 regularly as my main desktop computer, and it's pretty stable and usable, even today. Microsoft did actual usability research when they made it, and it shows. Tales of it crashing every five minutes are pure hyperbole.
33. Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... by Pieroxy · 2012-11-16 11:45 · Score: 1
  
  They were a poorly written graphical layer on top of DOS, which was just a "Disk Operating System".
  This is popular revisionism. Starting with Windows 3.1 it was no longer a DOS program as it used its own drivers and did its own memory management.
  In fact, starting at Windows 95, things get a little muddy, I agree. But there is still MS-DOS behind the scene as all old programs need it. So apps are given way too many privileges. And the scheduler is based on interruptions which can be meddled with from any MS-DOS app.
  
  You see, the problem was that all apps had the full control over the entire machine, by design, since it was the way things were back in old DOS mode and backward compatibility was "paramount".
  Nonsense. Windows 95 and its younger brethren are preemptive multi-tasking OSs.
  Well, technically true. But given the fact that accessing a floppy disk drive halts the entire system, I'll say they missed the target by a wide margin. In fact, any interrupt call can freeze the OS to death. So my point stands: apps were given way too many privileges. Actually, the system will stop by itself after 49 days of uptime. That's whatever you do in the meantime (including letting the system idle). So how's that for an unstable OS: An os that stops after 49 days. You would see that in a SciFi movie you would not believe it.
  
  So now, tell me, what was so great about Win9x that you have to jump at every slashdot post that tries to say anything bad about them?
  I'm more a fan of Windows 95 than Win9x, really. I like how they are fast, don't swallow huge amounts of memory to operate, have zero DRM and great backwards compatibility.
  I use Windows 95 OSR 2.5 regularly as my main desktop computer, and it's pretty stable and usable, even today. Microsoft did actual usability research when they made it, and it shows. Tales of it crashing every five minutes are pure hyperbole.
  Microsoft has always had great ideas (in all software areas) but for some reason they always feel compelled to compromise and as a result they fall short of their target. Look at Windows 8. They felt compelled to reinvent the desktop UI, but not compelled to give the two advices that would make a user used to their old interface (hint: everyone) able to work its way around the system. So the start menu is gone and there is nothing helping users find what they're looking for.
  Epic Fail.
  
  --
  Write boring code, not shiny code!
Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:07 · Score: -1

(Subject says it all.)
--libman
1. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Bradmont · 2012-11-12 12:58 · Score: 2
  
  Why GPL-free? How does having, say, the Linux kernel, under the GPL affect an end user?
2. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by sunderland56 · 2012-11-12 14:56 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers. If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
  b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.
3. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 15:01 · Score: 0
  
  Obviously, gp wants to pass off someone else's work as his own.
4. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by jc42 · 2012-11-12 15:26 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
  I think you mean: If you're trying to develop a commercial product by stealing others' code and claiming it's your own, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
  GPL code has no legal problems that aren't much larger if you base your work on someone else's proprietary code. GPL merely legalizes your "stealing", but says you must then permit others to "steal" your code as well. With proprietary code, anything you do with it is illegal.
  Not that this matters much to the users, who mostly don't ever write any code, much less attempt to sell it.
  (There's a long tradition in technical circles of taking insults and turning them into technical jargon. And there's the old saying that copying from one person is plagiarism, but copying from many is research. ;-)
  
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  Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
5. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by 91degrees · 2012-11-12 20:19 · Score: 2
  
  I think you mean: If you're trying to develop a commercial product by stealing others' code and claiming it's your own, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
  
  Why is the attitude that copyright infrigement is stealing tolerated so much more here when applied to the GPL than file sharing?
6. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 21:27 · Score: 1
  
  Simple, because in the case of copyright infringement, no one is taking Rihanna's songs, posting them online and claiming them as their own (i.e. "look at these songs I made!").
  What you are talking about, though, is neither copyright infringement nor stealing: it's plagiarizing. As in the simple pre-GPL world, the rules are simple: want to build derivative works off of mine and sell them for profit? You can do that, you just need a specific license from me to do that (as happens with any other non-free software).
  So, yeah... basically, your problem is that you choose to use ill-defined words (i.e. stealing), rather than using actual appropriate and legally-meaningful concepts.
  Here, I help you:
  - "Stealing" (i.e. sharing, copyright infringement) GOOD.
  - "Stealing" (i.e. plagiarism, taking credit for shit you didn't do, depriving people of their property) BAD.
  See... it's simple. It's just complicated for you, because you wish to conflate two very different things (plagiarism and copyright infringement) with the same concept, when they're not.
7. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by 91degrees · 2012-11-12 22:58 · Score: 1
  
  So do you think that if a company decided to release a slightly modified GPL application without the source, and they were open about it being a slightly modified GPL application, people would be as forgiving as they are with file sharers?
8. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by serviscope_minor · 2012-11-12 23:07 · Score: 3
  
  a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers.
  ITYM: the GPL is considered pretty evil by incompetent lawyers. It's good that way. If your lawyer has an irrational fear of the GPL, the fire the lawyer since it's clear you've wound up with a duff one.
  If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
  Like RHEL, IBM, Android, Linksys, and frankly, thousands of others. That's an excellent model to follow.
  Oh you said avoid GPL. Right.
  b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.
  Well, if people are going to make strange, irrational decisions based on strange, irrational assumptions about a person they've never met and who has little if anything to do with what they're using, then they get what they deserve.
  
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  SJW n. One who posts facts.
9. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Gaygirlie · 2012-11-12 23:39 · Score: 1
  
  Well, if people are going to make strange, irrational decisions based on strange, irrational assumptions about a person they've never met and who has little if anything to do with what they're using, then they get what they deserve.
  You kind of have to admit that Stallman is doing more harm than any good every time he sticks his beard out of his hole. I mean, just look at him or listen to him -- is it any wonder then that people make irrational assumptions about him?
10. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by tehcyder · 2012-11-12 23:42 · Score: 2
  
  You have just made up a totally arbitrary distinction between copyright infringement on works you don't care about (copying Rihanna's songs) and copyright infringement on works you do care about (GPL software).
  
  In both cases, the worse offence of making money off the copyright infringement still only arises because you have infringed on copyright. Plagiarism is nothing to do with it.
  
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11. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Pieroxy · 2012-11-13 00:51 · Score: 1
  
  Using a piece of GPL code in a proprietary software is not necessarily plagiarism. You may publicly announce the code is in there. It's still copyright ingringement in that it doesn't respect the terms and conditions set by the original author.
  Much like the latest Rihanna's song.
  
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  Write boring code, not shiny code!
12. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 00:57 · Score: 0
  
  If someone is making money from adverts on their site, or paid subscriptions to a download service, they are using other people's music to make money. You don't have to directly claim ownership of a song to profit from it as if you owned it.
13. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by jellomizer · 2012-11-13 01:29 · Score: 2
  
  The key advantage to Commercial Software is you tend to know what the motives are for the software maker. To Make money.
  For Open Source they have a lot of different motives.
  Gain Experience, Give their Ego's a boost, Trying to give back to the community, Sell additional services later...
  That is the problem, I agree Making money isn't the most noble cause in the world, however if you realize that is the game they are playing you as the consumer can use it to your advantage, because you can always say No I will not buy that unless you do X for me. When there are a different set of motives you get an inconsistent experience working the GNU software suppliers. Some will be great and you get software far better than with commercial. But you also get the people who will not do anything to help you (Write your own damn patch) because they are not interested in the end user at all.
  
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  If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
14. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 01:52 · Score: 0
  
  You have just made up a totally arbitrary distinction between copyright infringement on works you don't care about (copying Rihanna's songs) and copyright infringement on works you do care about (GPL software).
  The concepts of copyright, patents and plagiarism are pretty arbitary to begin with.
15. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by BasilBrush · 2012-11-13 02:50 · Score: 1
  
  I mean, just look at him or listen to him
  ... or smell him.
16. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 04:49 · Score: 0
  
  Why not one of the BSDs then?
17. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 06:14 · Score: 0
  
  Nothing could be further from the truth. I prefer copyfree software for philosophical reasons. Copyleft is not really free software - it is open source software with legal threats and anti-capitalist propaganda attached.
  Notice how anyone critical of GPL gets "(Score: -1)", regardless of the substance of their arguments... This is making Slashdot look like a commie cult! Having a freer license is one of Haiku OS's greatest accomplishment, which needs to be recognized. They could have gone the easier route and borrowed code from Linux and other GPL projects, but they didn't.
  So big kudos to the Haiku OS team for trying to create a Linux competitor in the market segment where the pure copyfree stack is rather weak: user-friendly desktop clients, netbooks, tablets, etc (although FreeBSD + E17 might be gaining ground as well).
  --libman
18. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 06:35 · Score: 0
  
  Haiku OS has a different focus than the BSD's, and it offers a full client-side stack, from the specialized kernel to the widgets to desktop apps. Haiku is fully object-oriented code (which will simplify scripting). It offers an alternative not only to Linux but also to X / Wayland (the latter being Linux-only), and GPL-poisoned GTK+ / Qt / Java, GNOME / KDE / etc, and the apps built on top of them. FreeBSD + X + E17 is a promising combination, but Haiku takes a different approach and can thus deliver a more integrated and light-weight desktop experience.
  It also offers an alternative to the "the browser is the desktop" HTML5+ paradigm, which I'm a big fan of (thinking of writing a package manager for locally cloning copyfree WebApps / SS API's / data dumps). This paradigm obviously still has many problems, especially performance issues for older or mobile computers, as well as usability issues, etc. (Plus there is no pure-copyfree modern UNIX Web browser yet. Chromium comes closest, but has "half of gnome" of dependencies. Opera has no GNUpendencies, but is closed-source itself.) As far as I know, by replacing dependence on GTK+ and the like, Web+ is the most copyfree HTML5 client in existence!) If Haiku OS can deliver sandboxed native applications via the Web (like NaCl, but on the desktop, and with rich-yet-secure access to OS API's), that would be truly revolutionary!
  --libman
19. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 08:08 · Score: 0
  
  Fair enough... here:
  - "Stealing" (i.e. sharing, personal copyright infringement) GOOD.
  - "Stealing" (i.e. plagiarism, taking credit for shit you didn't do, depriving people of their property, commercial/for-profit copyright infringement) BAD.
  Better?
20. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 08:09 · Score: 0
  
  I don't know you, and already hate you.
  You sir, are a douchebag.
21. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 08:23 · Score: 0
  
  Sure, but one thing is to give away/share someone else's "intellectual property" and another altogether is to take another person's "intellectual property" and sell it or claim it as yours.
  Plagiarism, commercial/for-profit copyright infringement, taking shit that isn't yours, etc. BAD.
  Personal/non-profit copyright infringement, sharing among friends, etc. GOOD.
  If my analogy wasn't good, then the other guy's analogy was even worse.
  Disclaimer: I don't know about you, but I live in a country where personal/non-profit copyright infringement IS legal, so, as far as I'm concerned, what I'm describing in my post is not my moral view on it, but simply the legislative status of copyright in the place I'm currently residing in.
22. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by apotheon · 2012-11-13 08:44 · Score: 1
  
  It's also worth noting that the GPL actually encourages plagiarism in some cases. Consider someone wanting to use freely available code as the basis for a closed source offering (or maybe even open source, but doesn't want to deal with the hassle of the GPL's draconian source archive management requirements). If the code the person finds that best suits his or her needs is distributed under the MIT/X11 License (for instance), that person might proudly refer to the open source roots of the software. If it is distributed under the terms of the GPL, on the other hand, that person might instead decide to conceal the source of the code, thinking it won't be discovered so that all that source archive management overhead can be avoided (and even if it is discovered the worst result will probably then be having to start sharing the sources in accordance with the requirements of the license, still having given the person a grace period with no costs incurred by that overhead).
  When your license imposes the overhead costs of a bunch of source archive management, bookkeeping, and so on, it creates incentives to plagiarize for people working on projects that do not turn a profit or for startups. This is just one of the many unintended consequences that can arise from the use of highly complex, restrictive licenses that try to micromanage how people modify and distribute derivative works.
  
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  Unfetter your ideas. Copyfree your mind.
23. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by jc42 · 2012-11-13 11:18 · Score: 1
  
  When your license imposes the overhead costs of a bunch of source archive management, bookkeeping, and so on, it creates incentives to plagiarize for people working on projects that do not turn a profit or for startups.
  Once again, we might note that this isn't a property of the GPL; it's just as true for proprietary code. The only real difference is that GPL'd code is usually published openly and comes with a license that lets anyone use the code for free, while you typically have to pay for a license to use proprietary code -- if you can even get a license to use the code.
  There is no difference in the legally required accountability when you use someone else's code. If you do this at all, you need to keep good records, or you are opening yourself and your products to serious legal problems. The GPL may "invite" this by making the code easily available, but GPL'd code is copyrighted, and is legally no different from proprietary code in regards to ownership.
  Criticising someone because they make their code easy to copy, use, and build on is a rather bizarre sort of negativism. Do you really think it's better that you not be allowed access to the code at all, or that you be charged for non-commercial, personal use?
  An honest person would consider it normal to keep track of what usage they make of other people's work, and would give proper credit to their sources. They would consider keeping proper records of such usage just a normal part of creating something new, not an unnecessary burden. Complaining about the need for something that's ethically required is a fairly clear statement of one's character. ;-)
  (Yes, I do normally work from copies of all software that I "borrow" from someone else, and archive the originals. There are good technical reasons for doing this, in addition to the ethical obligation. I don't consider it a burden at all. And I've often found it useful during debugging. Sometimes the result is that I send bug reports back to the original authors, who usually thank me. And I've similarly thanked people for such info about code that I've made available to the public. ;-)
  
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  Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
24. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by jc42 · 2012-11-13 15:31 · Score: 1
  
  Hey, my post got an "informative insightful flamebait" mod! That's the first time I've got such an awesome moderation!.
  Now I only need to get the ultimate mod, which of course also includes "funny". I've been trying for that combo for years, to no avail. ;-)
  
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  Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
25. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-14 05:36 · Score: 0
  
  You kind of have to admit that Stallman is doing more harm than any good every time he sticks his beard out of his hole. I mean, just look at him or listen to him -- is it any wonder then that people make irrational assumptions about him?
  Irrational assumptions? I've been following his Web-site for years, and that's what I go by. I agreed with him more when I was young and stupid, and I agree with him a lot less today. Every tyranny inevitably comes packaged in a layer of truth, which in this case is Stallman's support for civil liberties, but that's just the cheese in his mousetrap.
  I don't like it when people criticize Stallman for stupid things. He doesn't have a hygiene problem, and he's generally a pleasant-sounding and charismatic guy. I can tolerate socialists who just want to play socialism on their on turf and not use force against others. If that was the case, then we could be pals.
  Stallman, on the other hand, is an aggressor, and he is willing to use the force of government to do his bidding - not just in enforcing the legal threats attached to his code (I mean GPL'ed code - he never wrote much good code himself), but on every level. He believes in massive amounts of government violence - with people like him in charge. Perhaps most significant is the fact that he wants to end all intergovernmental competition, thus ending the only effective counterbalance to government power...
  --libman
26. Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop by apotheon · 2012-11-15 12:47 · Score: 1
  
  When your license imposes the overhead costs of a bunch of source archive management, bookkeeping, and so on, it creates incentives to plagiarize for people working on projects that do not turn a profit or for startups.
  Once again, we might note that this isn't a property of the GPL; it's just as true for proprietary code. The only real difference is that GPL'd code is usually published openly and comes with a license that lets anyone use the code for free, while you typically have to pay for a license to use proprietary code -- if you can even get a license to use the code.
  It is a property of copyright restrictions in general, yes. This is, in fact, sorta my point. The GPL does not provide nearly the level of greater ease of code reuse that many people seem to think.
  . . . and you completely bypassed my point, which was the fact that plagiarism is incentivized for GPLed (and, yes, proprietary) code in ways that do not apply to copyfree and public domain code. In short, any copyright restrictions that impose any overhead on the reuser of your code serves as a trade-off between chances of plagiarism and chances of someone using your code without giving you anything (other than attribution).
  Note that this also applies to supposedly "permissive" licenses that come with nontrivial restrictions, like the Apache License 2.0.
  
  There is no difference in the legally required accountability when you use someone else's code. If you do this at all, you need to keep good records, or you are opening yourself and your products to serious legal problems. The GPL may "invite" this by making the code easily available, but GPL'd code is copyrighted, and is legally no different from proprietary code in regards to ownership.
  Criticising someone because they make their code easy to copy, use, and build on is a rather bizarre sort of negativism. Do you really think it's better that you not be allowed access to the code at all, or that you be charged for non-commercial, personal use?
  Your straw men are burning.
  
  An honest person would consider it normal to keep track of what usage they make of other people's work, and would give proper credit to their sources. They would consider keeping proper records of such usage just a normal part of creating something new, not an unnecessary burden. Complaining about the need for something that's ethically required is a fairly clear statement of one's character. ;-)
  I wasn't talking about what honest people would or would not do. I agree that an honest person would make some effort to properly credit people on whose work he or she builds, but that does not in any way change the applicability of anything I said.
  I hope you're not trying to insinuate that I personally object to giving proper attribution for others' work when I build on it. In fact, my approach is to just not use copyleft licensed code in my work so I never have to worry about its restrictions. Sometimes this makes things a little harder, but usually there's no extra difficulty at all, and I'm happy to give attribution for the copyfree licensed projects whose work I do use, and release my code under the terms of copyfree licenses any time I have a choice in the matter. So . . . no, I don't object to giving proper attribution. I just think people should stop equating copyright enforcement with attribution enforcement, and recognize that the two are actually opposed to some nontrivial degree.
  Living in a fantasy land where as long as you talk about your intentions you don't have to worry about unintended consequences is kinda counterproductive, after all.
  
  (Yes, I do normally work from copies of all software that I "borrow" from someone else, and archive the originals. There are good technical reasons for doing this, in addition to the ethical obligation. I don't consider it a burden at all. And I've ofte
  
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Does it run on real hardware? by marcosdumay · 2012-11-12 12:12 · Score: 1

Or is it only fit for a virtual machine?

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1. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by Osgeld · 2012-11-12 12:18 · Score: 2
  
  runs pretty good on my pentium 1
2. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by BenoitRen · 2012-11-12 13:25 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, it does run on real hardware. You can either write a raw disk image to a hard drive partition and then boot it using grub, or download a live CD.
3. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by Whiteox · 2012-11-12 18:29 · Score: 2
  
  Luxury! I've just upgraded from an SX to a DX!
  
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4. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 20:54 · Score: 0
  
  runs good on amd machines, runs AWESOME on Intel machines, including netbooks
5. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 23:38 · Score: -1
  
  I'll give you a blowjob for that DX!
6. Re:Does it run on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 00:41 · Score: 0
  
  Actually it won't boot on my fx-8150 and on my 3670 apu it booted into what had to be the wrong video mode, then crashed.
  I have a feeling if I disabled sata and set it to compatibility mode it might boot on the one machine, but I didn't really want to mess with it.
In future news by viperidaenz · 2012-11-12 12:24 · Score: 5, Funny

I just got back from a trip in my DeLorean and in 2017 Haiku Release R1 Beta 1 was announced.
NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 12:27 · Score: -1, Troll

fuck you geek faggots.
1. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Scarletdown · 2012-11-12 12:33 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  fuck you geek faggots.
  Go ahead and continue. You got the format correct for the first line. Now you need to come up with 2 more lines for your entry to be complete.
  
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2. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:01 · Score: 0
  
  between the title and the content, he just needs a middle line. I suggest "damn mother fucking os." Truly a masterpiece for the ages.
3. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Scarletdown · 2012-11-12 13:16 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Yes, that would work. We can make a world class poet out of Mr. Ballmer yet.
  
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4. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:47 · Score: 0
  
  Surprisingly simple. Surprisingly amusing. Honestly, this troll post made me giggle.
5. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by sheath · 2012-11-13 03:44 · Score: 1
  
  I thought "by Anonymous Coward" was the middle line.
  
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6. Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 05:29 · Score: -1
  
  Fuck you geek faggots
  By Anonymous Coward
  Pearls thrown to the pigs
mmm by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:05 · Score: 0

A year and four months
Passing since the 3rd alpha release
Beos Clone, not Windows
BeOS looked cool by King-Raz · 2012-11-12 13:27 · Score: 2

BeOS was a good looking interface - for its time. Now it (and by extension Haiku) looks rather dated by comparison with modern GUIs (especially when you look at the lovely looking things that Apple, or google with its Android project buttery loveliness create.

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1. Re:BeOS looked cool by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 18:17 · Score: 0
  
  I think the original BeOS looks much better than anything that Apple is coming out with today.
2. Re:BeOS looked cool by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 19:10 · Score: 0
  
  at the lovely looking things that Apple
  Apple? I saw some iMacs in our app dev team's area last week; what a cluttered, monochromatic, unintuitive interface.
  The developer spent most of his time mousing back and forth along the Dock, trying to find what he wanted to show me. Then followed some jiggling as he tugged at the one resizing corner of the window to try and arrange it beside another.
  It was like watching someone using Windows 3.1
3. Re:BeOS looked cool by uglyduckling · 2012-11-13 02:32 · Score: 1
  
  By what you're describing, he's on a pretty outdated version of the OS, and has it configured stupidly. And, by the way, unintuitive is not the same as unfamiliar.
4. Re:BeOS looked cool by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 03:54 · Score: 0
  
  at the lovely looking things that Apple
  Apple? I saw some iMacs in our app dev team's area last week; what a cluttered, monochromatic, unintuitive interface.
  The developer spent most of his time mousing back and forth along the Dock, trying to find what he wanted to show me. Then followed some jiggling as he tugged at the one resizing corner of the window to try and arrange it beside another.
  It was like watching someone using Windows 3.1
  That's nothing. You should see my boss trying to use his computer.
  What does this have to do with anything again?
5. Re:BeOS looked cool by Qu4Z · 2012-11-13 12:40 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, I'm relatively sure that in practice that's precisely what it is. Although more familiarity with similar systems/interfaces (in the real world too) than with the actual OS/program in question.
6. Re:BeOS looked cool by neonmonk · 2012-11-13 17:24 · Score: 1
  
  Anyone who uses the Dock as an application switcher is an idiot. As is anyone that uses the taskbar in Windows.
  Application switching should be done with the keyboard. Cmd+Tab, ~+Tab, Alt+Tab. For even faster results, [cmd/alt]+tab & mouse click.
  I think your developer is an idiot.
7. Re:BeOS looked cool by uglyduckling · 2012-11-15 23:13 · Score: 1
  
  No, familiarity means prior knowledge or understanding. Intuitive means your instincts (intuition) are usually right. For example, back in the day (10 years ago), I would regularly recommend people try out non-Nokia cellphones. The usual response was "the menus are unintuitive". What they meant was, they had invested so much time in learning to use their Nokia that they couldn't cope with trying anything else. It used to be said often that putting "shut down" on the "start" menu in Windows is ridiculous (which it is) and unintuitive (which it clearly is), but because it's familiar this has become the standard. OSX would definitely be unfamiliar to a Windows user, but there is little that is clearly unintuitive.
Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 13:34 · Score: 3, Insightful

You naysayers can feel free to call me crazy, but Haiku has a better chance at winning the desktop than Linux ever did. It is exactly the kind of coherent and elegantly designed platform that is as attractive to users as it is to developers. Haiku has been a slow starter, so it may take a while to happen unless more devs start to look at the prospect of seriously contributing to it. But the truth is, quality takes time. The Linux approach of "code first, ask questions later" does get things done faster. The desktop is just one of those cases where better will always beat faster in the long run.
1. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by sunderland56 · 2012-11-12 14:59 · Score: 1
  
  Which would you choose: pretty, but zero available apps; or less elegant, but you can get work done?
  It may be "elegant", but I cannot find *ANY* technical advantage this has over some normal, mature Linux distro.
2. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 15:20 · Score: 0
  
  Ease of development and having your code "just work" on any computer you try to compile/run it on would be a few. But you're right, Haiku will never be usable as an everyday OS until it gets some serious software to run. I just don't really see that as being an insurmountable roadblock. Linux was an attractive platform to people who wanted an open source non-proprietary platform on which to develop software, and Haiku is attractive for the same reason. All it really needs to do is convince people Linux on the desktop has failed (not a big challenge), and that Haiku is a viable alternative (a bigger challenge, but one I think Haiku will eventually meet).
3. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by mattr · 2012-11-12 15:34 · Score: 1
  
  Different people have different definitions of "work".
4. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 16:10 · Score: 0
  
  Speaking as a developer, that "zero available apps" thing can be fixed with little more than a c compiler and a linker, as long as they document the APIs and keep them stable -- none of this fucking "removed" or "deprecated" bullshit that Apple pulls, please. If you need to change an API, duplicate it, give the duplicate a new name, point to it in the existing one and say why one might want to use it, but DON'T BREAK THE ORIGINAL. If this grows the OS, so be it -- memory is cheap.
  I'd like to port some really cool apps -- audio, graphics editing, more -- to a non-GPL environment that is friendly to commercial proprietary apps. If that's not what BeOS is, then I'll just watch. Just like I do with linux. :)
  Something else that might do a lot for BeOS is if they can get Qt to generate code for it. There are a *lot* of Qt apps.
5. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by lucmove · 2012-11-12 16:14 · Score: 1
  
  Shenanigans. I tested it a couple of years ago and was definitely unimpressed. It's not godawful ugly, but it's not that pretty either. It is in fact clearly outdated, old-fashioned, obsolete. It is clearly based on Windows 95, only worse. Add little choice in applications and obviously poor hardware support, and this will never be anything more than a hobby for lonely nerds with nothing to do on a Saturday night.
6. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 17:24 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  The reason for the outdated interface is that Haiku R1 is going to be strictly an attempt to clone BeOS. That was always the stated goal of the project. R2 on the other hand, will be the version where the Haiku team really focuses on building upon what they have to create something better. That being said, the internals of Haiku are already fairly robust and capable, and have advanced well beyond the capabilities of BeOS. I think that once R1 is complete and the internals are solid and stable, the road to 2.0 will be a much shorter one.
7. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 17:31 · Score: 0
  
  Good! I was just going to ask "does it run Linux?" :)
8. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 20:04 · Score: -1
  
  Look, GP just said BeOS's UI is "clearly based on Windows 95, only worse." He did everything but said "Netcraft confirms it".
  Seriously, why are you feeding the obvious troll. Dumbass.
9. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 20:10 · Score: 0
  
  Do you know what POSIX means? It means you can recompile your UNIX apps without ridiculous amounts of effort. (Theoretically, it means no effort, but this is the real world...)
  As far as technical advantage, try it on a netbook. It kicks ass in for the PC use-case because you don't have a big hairy networked/time-sharing display system (i.e. X window); you have a built-in GUI. This means craptons of responsiveness.
10. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 20:26 · Score: 0
  
  Imagine a Beoswulf cluster of these!
11. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 22:52 · Score: 0
  
  "The desktop is just one of those cases where better will always beat faster in the long run."
  Oh yes, sure. That's why 90% of desktop computers run Windows. :-(
12. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by BenoitRen · 2012-11-13 00:42 · Score: 1
  
  I'll give you a technical advantage: it's designed for the desktop instead of the server all the way down to the kernel. Linux makes for a shitty desktop all things considered.
13. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by lucmove · 2012-11-13 03:27 · Score: 1
  
  You post as AC and I am the troll???
  Look, people need some kind of incentive to use anything, and first impressions are critical. When people see an OS that looks like it's 18 years old, they will not like it, they will most certainly not find any reason to use it.
  Even if they do, what about hardware and drivers? Linux fights an uphill battle to support as much hardware diversity as possible, and pretty much succeeds because there is a lot of people working on it. Haiku has a very small community, badly understaffed already. They can't afford to support hardware. That is sure to put a terrible hamper on any "year of the Haiku desktop" idea.
  Look at the BSD projects. My Wifi NIC works fine on every Linux distro I have tried with this computer (many), but it won't work on NetBSD. NetBSD has been understaffed for a loooong time.
  It's just reality: making an OS, as in a really full and complete OS that works and provides a decent user experience, is a gigantic task. Linux does pretty well because it has a very large community.
  And, back to first impressions: projects that are constantly focused "on the future" with little regard for the present don't usually get much love as well. We've been hearing nerds say that BSDs are extremely well planned, solid, clean, made by perfectionists, everything else is crap etc... But what happens every time I try a BSD? There is always something that doesn't work, is not supported, is not complete, is being worked on (for many years, mind you). The day I can actually use it and rely on it without hassles never comes. Holy mackarel, that day never comes! It always is, and seems it will always be an endless promise for the future. Maybe Linux's fart doesn't smell like roses, but heck, it works! At this glacial pace, Haiku has been already sending a bad message for a long time, bad enough that many people will not even bother trying it. Why would they? What's the incentive?
14. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by lucmove · 2012-11-13 03:30 · Score: 1
  
  The road to 2.0 (or will it be 3.0?) will be plagued by unsupported hardware issues. That will be a show stopper.
15. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by cb88 · 2012-11-13 05:15 · Score: 0
  
  Well for the basic chat (Caya + Stack and Tile is pretty sweet) and web surfing its already pretty good it just needs some html5 support to round it out. There are a few decent little games too. Nothing heavy duty but its nice for light usage with the added nicety of having a very responsive media player (nocks the socks off VLC in that regard however has a few missing features). Also note that QT 4.8 is ported and there will probably be 5.0 soon enough. It is a pretty good port as well considering how well qupzilla works.
16. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by cb88 · 2012-11-13 05:22 · Score: 0
  
  Years!? And you haven't tried it again? The themeing has being updated some and if it was years ago you haven't tried the Stack and Tile windowing. Its also an order of magnitude more stable these days. Also https://github.com/looncraz?tab=activity ... yeah thats compositing support work happening now the possibiltity rounded windows, real transparancy and improved themeing is probably going to happen pre R1.
17. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 06:23 · Score: 0
  
  Ease of development and having your code "just work" on any computer you try to compile/run it on would be a few. But you're right, Haiku will never be usable as an everyday OS until it gets some serious software to run. I just don't really see that as being an insurmountable roadblock. Linux was an attractive platform to people who wanted an open source non-proprietary platform on which to develop software, and Haiku is attractive for the same reason. All it really needs to do is convince people Linux on the desktop has failed (not a big challenge), and that Haiku is a viable alternative (a bigger challenge, but one I think Haiku will eventually meet).
  The Desktop is dead. *nix already won that war with Android and IOS. Microsoft is not even planning to make a Desktop OS anymore and is just going to push Windows 8 everywhere instead. So, how well will Haiku work for mobile? What about Haiku is so attractive to users that you can't just implement it as a UI layer on top of Linux or whatever? If Linux is not attractive to users, why is Android doing so well?
18. Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 10:27 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah right. The interface is a blast from the past, to put it charitably. There are no pressing technical reasons why Haiku would be superior to Linux. Hardware support is much much worse. Compared to other operating systems, there's almost no software for it. And given the small number of developers compared to other ecosystems, it will never catch up. So really, who do you think you are kidding?
R1A4? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 14:08 · Score: 0

I suppose the final release will be R2D2...
GPL faggotry by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 16:00 · Score: -1

More likely he's got a bunch of his own work and he's being careful not to pollute that with any work that would then legally force him to give up his own.
The GPL is very similar to an infection. Best to stay 100% clear of it. /lawyer
Haiku by davidwr · 2012-11-12 16:26 · Score: 1

Haiku, BeOS. / One inspired by the other. / R1, Alpha 4.

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Beta Anyone? by Whiteox · 2012-11-12 18:26 · Score: 1

The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today.....
Me? I'm waiting for their 2nd beta release.

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Year Of The Haiku Desktop! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-12 18:55 · Score: 1

If you can surf porn with it, its good to go!
no good by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 00:30 · Score: 0

no good browser for haiku
A cloned Haiku? Isn't that... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 00:34 · Score: 0

just plagiarism? /rimshot! //I'm here all week folks
VirtualBox by sproketboy · 2012-11-13 03:13 · Score: 1

Can it run on Virtualbox?
1. Re:VirtualBox by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 06:49 · Score: 1
  
  Yes. Just make a new machine and mount the two drives.
Come and gone. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 05:24 · Score: 0

Nobody gives a shit about BeOS anymore because it took too long to become anything useful. Now it's just a hobby project run by a handful of people who are really the only people on earth who still give a damn.
FTFY by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 05:48 · Score: -1

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!!
by Anonymous Coward
Fuck you geek faggots
speedy by Anonymous Coward · 2012-11-13 22:11 · Score: 0

I was surprised by how blazingly fast I got to the desktop when I downloaded the vmdk. Does anyone know how this is accomplished? Are they cutting corners by not loading stuff that otherw would consider essential or is the design really just that good?