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Windows Chief Steven Sinofsky Leaves Microsoft

CWmike writes with this excerpt from Computerworld: "Steven Sinofsky, the executive in charge of Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system and the driving force behind the new OS, is leaving the company effective immediately, Microsoft announced late Monday. Sinofsky was also the public face for Windows 8 and its new Metro interface, posting constant updates in a Windows 8 blog that charted its development. His last post, fittingly, was entitled 'Updating Windows 8 for General Availability.' The OS was officially launched at the end of last month. According to the All Things D blog, there was growing tension between Sinofsky and other members of the Microsoft executive team, who didn't see him as enough of a team player. But Microsoft's official position is that the decision was a mutual one. Sinofsky had only good things to say about his former employer." Also at SlashCloud.

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  1. Rats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ship.

    1. Re:Rats. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uff, took me whole five seconds to get it. I first thought that "Rats, ship!" was a command to the troops!

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    2. Re:Rats. by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it appears the rats (Ballmer and co.) are holding on to the sinking ship and driving the cats away....the ship will sink faster that way.

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    3. Re:Rats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uff, took me whole five seconds to get it. I first thought that "Rats, ship!" was a command to the troops!

      Well, that's actually how Windows 8 got released!

    4. Re:Rats. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sinofsky was a fuse. Ballmer sits next on line...

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    5. Re:Rats. by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft's profit was $16 billion first quarter. I wish my ship was sinking like that.

      Shall we compare that to Red Hat? It seems that every time someone leaves Microsoft we get this gleeful rats/ships metaphor on Slashdot going back decades, but Microsoft has been and continues to be a fantastically successful company.

    6. Re:Rats. by hazydave · · Score: 4, Informative

      That $16 billion is Microsoft's revenue, not their profits. Net income was $4.47 billion... still, not too shabby. Apple logged revenue of $46.33 billion and net profit of $13.06 billion. Google reported revenue of $10.65 billion, but only $2.91 billion profit. Red Hat? They did $314.7 million in revenue, $37.5 million in net profit.

      This tells the story of why Microsoft keeps trying to reinvent themselves as Apple. If only they didn't do it so badly. But then again, Apple's showing signs of not doing it so well these days, too.

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    7. Re:Rats. by moronoxyd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Desktop Linux is finally starting to look like it is making some traction

      Next year will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      SCNR

      The downfall of Windows and the rise of Linux has been foretold many many times. I don't hold my breath.

    8. Re:Rats. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually you're right, the source I found online said profit, but looks like that was just a mistake. The whole thing is Microsoft can keep trying and failing to be Apple in the consumer sphere because they just have enormous revenue streams from their business and server divisions, and wishful thinking on slashdot won't change that.

    9. Re:Rats. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is certainly raking in big gobs of money, but consider:

      * Sinofsky knows the internal figures and projections... we don't. Perhaps he saw that the feces is about to meet the air handler for Microsoft, and didn't want any part of it.

      * Sinofsky was widely favored to be next in line after Ballmer left/got-ejected/whatever, and the investing community wants Ballmer's severed head on a platter. Boss gets nervous in a situation like that, yanno?

      * The man had full run of the company and could pretty much do whatever he wanted - at one of the world's biggest corporations. Why would anyone give up that kind of corporate godhood with no warning? Can't be because he's forming his own corp - that takes time and planning, and Sinofsky would leave slowly under such a situation to keep valuable corporate friendships going. Can't be due to being caught humping a dog's corpse while mainlining bath salts or suchlike, because that would've shown up on the news pretty damned quickly. Same with embezzlement and crap like that.

      So, unless someone can show me where Sinofsky joins a cult or buys a bunker in Kansas, his departure likely bodes ill news for Microsoft...

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    10. Re:Rats. by TemporalBeing · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Very well put.

      There are only a few reasons why execs leave, especially a company they have invested as much of themselves into as Sinosky did Microsoft. Gates left because of the Anti-trust stuff - it just didn't make business sense to keep him in the positions he was in.

      There doesn't seem to be a good reason for Sinofsky to go. So, like you said - it speaks ill of Microsoft's future as someone like him would hopefully see the writing on the wall so long as he wasn't drinking too much of the corporate kool-aid. So most likely, he saw the writing on the wall, wanted to do something about it, but kept getting headed off by others (e.g. Ballmer, Gates, Elop) getting in the way; and decided to leave instead of going through all the headaches and stress that would otherwise be caused. It also enables him to dump his stocks easier after about a year.

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    11. Re:Rats. by war4peace · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Desktop Linux is finally starting to look like it is making some traction, especially with Valve working to make games for Linux, and I've always been of the opinion that an OS is only going to have mass appeal if you can play top tier games on it (without having to mess around with WINE).

      And, for fuck's sake, change the retarded application naming methods!
      When you have Guayadeque, a music player using wxWidgets then "abcde" which is a frontend for "cdparanoia" (SERIOUSLY???), Gedit (which works under KDE, so the "G" is stupid), Kate (wtf is this name for a fucking Text Editor?), Kopete (bitch, please!), XCDRoast (because the "X" really MUST be there!), then you can't hope that Joe Sixpack would be happy with that.

      "The KDE naming convention (KMail, KAIM, KPlayer, etc) tends to be a bit better than average, though they do tend to take the “K” thing a bit too far. Even this, which tends to produce easy to discern names, has problems (k3b, Kaffeine, amaroK, kynaptic, etc) and can get confusing at times." (from here: http://www.geek.com/articles/xyzcomputing/linuxs-difficulty-with-names-20051226/).

      When you get rid of this hacker-wannabe naming methods ("yeah, um, well, I'm using xkcd-1.3.1-x86-omg-wtf-bbq") then you start to mature and think of customers, rather than just your fellow hacker-wannabe-bros.

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    12. Re:Rats. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd thought the same thing at first, but if that were the case, there would be a graceful transition of a few months at the very least, and he would've waited at least four to six months after release of something big like Windows 8 - if for no other reason than to insure his imprimatur is firmly on it (and on his resume). Instead we got this sudden no-warning bam-I'm-gone departure.

      Departures like that are tough on everyone involved (except the guy leaving), and has the potential to disrupt existing and ongoing projects (and is even harder on just-released ones).

      At lower levels, meh - one cog leaves, another is dropped in, with minimum disruption. At the higher levels, lots of bad mojo starts occurring when you rip out one guy and try to drop another in. At the Sinofsky/Ballmer levels? It's a delicate procedure that has the potential to get ugly in a hurry if you don't do it right.

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    13. Re:Rats. by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, I take it that you would prefer descriptive names like Edlin, Excel, Outlook or Lotus123?

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    14. Re:Rats. by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sinofsky was fired for making a mess of Win8 just like the bloke who got fired for making the mess that was Vista. We'll probably be stuck with Win7 for the next 15 years and will have to keep 64 bit Win7 running in compatibility mode on 512 bit processors well into mid century.

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  2. Don't let the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    chair hit you on the way out! Seriously, DUCK!

  3. Official confirmation... by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that the new interface in Windows 8 bombed at the box office....

    the beginning of the end, indeed.

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    1. Re:Official confirmation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that the new interface in Windows 8 bombed at the box office....

      the beginning of the end, indeed.

      Actually no, since Microsoft let Sinofsky go and put in charge the woman directly responsable for the metro interface.
      I'd say it's going from bad to worse.

    2. Re:Official confirmation... by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, people have been talking about Sinoffsky for a while. He insists on Windows being the driving force at MS and he is the reason that it took MS so long to get their products into a vertical integration....His departure has nothing to do with Windows 8 and everything to do with his ability to get on board the new vision.

    3. Re:Official confirmation... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft is all about kissing the ass of big corporations.

      Metro is about as opposite of that as you can get.

    4. Re:Official confirmation... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually no, since Microsoft let Sinofsky go and put in charge the woman directly responsable for the metro interface.

      It could have been worse. They could have put the woman directly responsible for the Microsoft Bob interface in charge.

    5. Re:Official confirmation... by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually no, since Microsoft let Sinofsky go and put in charge the woman directly responsable for the metro interface.

      It could have been worse. They could have put the woman directly responsible for the Microsoft Bob interface in charge.

      I thought Gabe Newell was the project manager in charge of that project. Which goes to show that one bad product doesn't necessarily mean the person in charge of it will continue to create bad products.

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  4. Direction change by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd hope this was a personality or really an interpersonal thing and not a strategy choice. If Microsoft starts going squishy on Windows 8 i.e. Metro they will blow a crucial part of their strategy. I don't see how they pick a different OS strategy at this point than ubiquitous computing. Releasing another new paradigm in 2014-5 will be a complete yawn.

    The 2012Q4 x86 midlevel hardware has been really exciting stuff, innovative. As the hardware manufacturers start one another's ideas 2013Q1 laptops and even desktops are going to feel a 6 years ahead of 2012Q1. That's an impressive accomplishment and I'd hope that Microsoft doesn't walk it back because other divisions are getting cold feet.

    1. Re:Direction change by DuckDodgers · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed. Paul Thurrott - who admittedly is two steps shy of being a raving Microsoft fan - noted that Microsoft says "We bet the company on this" at the drop of a hat - the launch of the Zune products, the launch of the Xbox, the Office Ribbon, etc... such pronouncements are conspicuously absent in the Windows 8 announcements because they really did bet the company on this.

      I have Windows 8. As a semi-power-user, the learning curve took me all of a day. I'm sure that's enough to get screams of protest from people who dislike any kind of change. And of course that's the majority of computer users. But it's an acceptable operating system and I can completely understand Microsoft's drive to unify the user experience across phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, and servers ( although for anyone that does not know this already, Microsoft Server 2012 can run without a Microsoft GUI, just PowerShell ). It's a bet on the long term future, and regardless of whether it pays off I think it was a sensible bet.

      If they're ditching Sinofsky for genuine personnel reasons, that's fine. If they're thinking of making Windows 9 more like Windows 7, I think they're kneecapping their long term future for near term benefit.

    2. Re:Direction change by jbolden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm sure that's enough to get screams of protest from people who dislike any kind of change. And of course that's the majority of computer users.

      Lots of computer users have a rather negative experience with Windows. At work they have locked down low power systems. At home they have cheap systems loaded to the gills with crapware. I'd say Windows Power users, which is a large chunk of the /. crowd, and always has been, hate the change to Windows 8. I suspect the vast majority of end users will love the change to Windows 8. One of the things that people don't notice and I was floored by is that computer literacy is crashing. Gen-Xers and Millennials are very competent on computers. iGen on the other hand find the historical accumulation on systems like Windows too complex. They like other OSes with less historical baggage (Android, Win mobile, MeeGo, iOS...). That's an important constituency.

      It's a bet on the long term future, and regardless of whether it pays off I think it was a sensible bet.

      Agreed. Ubiquitous computing is a very exciting program. And whether it works or doesn't it is great to see Microsoft exercising technological leadership again.

      If they're ditching Sinofsky for genuine personnel reasons, that's fine. If they're thinking of making Windows 9 more like Windows 7, I think they're kneecapping their long term future for near term benefit.

      Exactly. Windows 9 should be like Windows 8 but even further. Win7 should be a guest OS running on the Hypervisor, which doesn't boot by default. Like the Classic environment when Apple switched to OSX. That starts to really strongly push the user base away from Win32 applications. If developers find out next year that's the intent they will start writing Metro GUIs to allow their apps to install in both environments (sort of like the Carbon porting libraries).

    3. Re:Direction change by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can completely understand Microsoft's drive to unify the user experience across phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, and servers

      This is what MS have done every time they've brought out a mobile OS.

      And guess what? Desktop interfaces are shit on PDAs/tablets/phones, and these devices never sold that well.

      And guess what else? Mobile interfaces are shit on the desktop, and they're not going to sell that well.

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  5. Re:So.. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot is a schadenfreude-driven site. We're gonna get our Two Minutes of Hate against Redmond Goldstein one way or another.

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  6. Amazing by Swampash · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...how once people get described as "a potential successor to Steve Ballmer" they mysteriously disappear...

    1. Re:Amazing by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There might be more to parent post than just "4+ Funny".

      Ballmer has become increasingly vulnerable. Basically, nobody much likes having a potty-mouthed, chair-throwing monkey dancer as a CEO, either inside or outside the corporation. He got the job not because he rose up through the ranks or had demonstrable skills but because he was Gates' chief sycophant, loyal to the core. It is long past time for him to be replaced by someone who can steer the monster resources of Microsoft in an appropriate direction, rather than just sitting there in the driver's seat while the huge earth-mover rumbles around without a definite direction.

      By encouraging his most likely internal replacement to leave the company, Ballmer has done the one thing he could do that most reduces his risks of getting tossed out like a chair. There is no question that Microsoft lost a valuable asset when Sinofsky walked, but his continued presence as Win8 becomes a success would have been a major personal threat to Ballmer.

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  7. In other news by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scott Forstall denied that he and Steven Sinofsky are forming a secret club with the aim of ".. getting back at all those people who just don't know any better and need to told how things should be done...".
     
    It's rumored that the first meeting will be held in a tree-house in the back yard of Scott's mothers' house, and that "no girls or software company executives will be allowed", and pizza and soft drinks may be delivered.

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  8. Good Riddance ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Posting anonymously because... well...

    Anyway, the guy had a Jobs complex. That sort of attitude may have worked in a "one trick" company like Apple (not trying to start a flame war on that, but Apple has a VERY stovepiped set of products as compared to Microsoft). All it did was piss people off in the other business groups at Microsoft, though.

    Like many of the oustings at Microsoft over the last 4-5 years, this is a good one, and a positive sign for the company.

    And lest there be any confusion on it -- at Microsoft, once you're Partner level, decisions to leave are always "mutual".

    1. Re:Good Riddance ... by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no way Balmer counts as the worst CEO fo the millennium. Carly Fiorina comes first. Follow by a very close second of "hey lets dump our hardware" CEO of HP who came before Whitman but whose name I can't remember.

  9. When will the other Steve get bounced? by Ingenimus+Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an MS SQL developer, I thought I'd already seen the height of IDE inanity, but with Win8 they managed to make it ever worse, requiring even more clicks to perform even the most basic tasks, and frustrate users who simply want to 'get back' to where they started. It's good they fired the guy, Win8 may be different than Win7 (which does not totally suck, but it's still heavily MS'd), but I don't see it as an improvement, or an innovation, just... different. They way I see it, MS will continue down this point-click-click-click-click paradigm, forever making things more difficult and frustrating to do. They should be trying to SIMPLIFY their interface and experience, not 'Techify' it with junk that only makes the user work harder to do the same work. It's a wonder they don't get that.

  10. Re: So.. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much Slashdot have you read? There are plenty of people here that think both Apple and M.S. are full of shit.

    Apple is busy making their entire line a walled garden and M.S. is flaying around dodging chairs with no direction.

  11. Re:He was a spy! by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... hired by Apple and Google, to completely destroy Windows 8 and any chance of entering the mobile market.

    Or - at least that's a hilariously plausible conspiracy theory. I'm going to pretend to believe it.

    If you want to make it a plausible conspiracy theory, you need to say that he was an Templar plant put into Microsoft to take down Windows NT so OS/2 could win in the marketplace. OS/2 was definitely preferred by secret societies everywhere. When that plan failed he was left as a deep mole. When the Templar put Jobs back into power at Apple, to get mind-control audio technology out to the masses, they thought they had finally succeeded in global domination. But the rise of the superior Windows 8 represented a threat to the Templar control, so they awoke their deep sleeper agent. However, Ballmer (a long-line descendent of assassins) caught him in his nefarious acts and after scaling building 34, and throwing a few chairs, he made it clear that he had to go.

    I suspect this will not be the end of the story ...

  12. Re: So.. by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows 8 is a very disciplined direction. Doesn't mean: a good direction, but a unified GUI and an answer to ARM-based tablets was the strategy. Good? The market will decide.

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  13. Re:Good time to move on. by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    3. They've gotten over the moron factor. Apple used to be able to claim its GUI was so simple a child could use it, in contrast to Windows which was "complicated" and Linux which was "hard." Windows 8 is braindead simple as a GUI and has let wizards take over many of the less intuitive tasks of computer maintenance.

    It's hard for me to compete with a corporate PR department, but here I go...

    Windows 8 is braindead simple? How? It's exactly the same as Windows 7, except they added a whole new interface in addition to the old one. In other words, it is nearly twice as complicated! Worse, the two environments are nearly blind to the other. "Metro" apps don't show up on the taskbar and desktop apps don't show up on the (hidden) Metro taskbar replacement. Magic things happen when you move your mouse to certain corners, and some items don't come up unless you know the secret gesture. It is an unholy mess. You want to talk "computer maintenance"? There are now two places to find all of the various settings. How that got through your meetings, I'll never know. So now tablet users sometimes have to use the finger-unfriendly desktop interface to set up certain things (and to do file management), while desktop users have to go into the Metro interface for certain settings.

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  14. My very limited exposure to Sinofsky by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During Windows Vista and previous development, private beta testers (not internal to MS) were given a constant stream of new builds to test. Microsoft was very responsive and bugs were generally fixed very quickly. I know this will surprise people, but at least for me, Vista was quite bug-free at launch because all the ones I found during the beta were fixed.

    Sinofsky took over for Windows 7, and the change in testing procedure was jarring. We got a total of two builds over the entire program -- Beta 1 and RC. The effects of this were that many bug reports weren't reproducible on their much newer internal builds, so the bugs either didn't get fixed or testers were wasting effort. When the RC was released, Microsoft actually deleted many old bug reports and told everyone not to submit anything that didn't result in a BSOD or failed install, which let a lot of glaring cosmetic bugs get through. I can only imagine this was so they could reduce their official bug counts at launch.

    The botched Windows 7 testing lead to the weirdest thing I could imagine -- in the middle of the program, there was basically a revolt among the testers. So much so that some took to labeling themselves "proud" testers in their signatures to separate them from the frustrated majority.

    For Windows 8 -- we all pretty much knew it was going to happen -- there was no external testing at all. I guess after Vista's performance issues and the poor handling of 7, it was pretty easy for them to decide testers weren't helping them.

    1. Re:My very limited exposure to Sinofsky by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For Windows 8 -- we all pretty much knew it was going to happen -- there was no external testing at all. I guess after Vista's performance issues and the poor handling of 7, it was pretty easy for them to decide testers weren't helping them.

      Look, the logic is pretty simple. If no bugs were found during testing, it just means there are no bugs in the software. That means the software quality has improved and all the line managers, middle managers, executives, vice presidents and the executive vice president all deserve huge bonuses.

      The seeds for this was sown years ago. They came up with quality metrics for software. That quality metric was "number of bugs found during testing". That number is the metric. That is the number to watch. That number must drop for you to make bonus. First few years it works reasonably well. But a few managers fall short of the number, and they find unmotivated lackadaisical unprofessional people and move them to the testing group. Slowly the bugs found during testing drops, and they make bonus. It starts small, with just a few managers. But pretty soon everyone is doing it. Once everyone is doing it, the early "game the system" guys double down, and pretty soon, they cancel the entire testing program and meet the holy grail, "zero bugs found during testing".

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  15. Had Only Good Things to Say... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sinofsky had only good things to say about his former employer

    When I was laid off years ago, in order to get my severance package, I had to sign an agreement to *not* say bad things about the company in the press. I imagine this guy had $Millions on the line if he does say anything disparaging. Hell, if the MS lawyers are any good, they made sure that any companies that he forms within N years have to use MS products exclusively. (or at least for the public facing computers)

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  16. Re: So.. by jader3rd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Man, fire up start screen, start typing 'print'. Nothing found.

    On my system when I type 'print' I get 2 Apps 17 Settings and 508 Files.

  17. Re:Good time to move on. by tazan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I accidentally opened a metro app and had to google how to close it. There is no excuse for that. But other than that I've been fine with just ignoring the metro part and treating it like a win 7 machine.

  18. Re: So.. by fuzznutz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    apple is making more money than any corporation

    The last annual statements available doesn't even put them in the top 100 global companies by revenue. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2011/full_list/index.html and here are the global 500 by profits http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2011/performers/companies/profits/

    I do believe, however, that Apple is by far the biggest company by hype.