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USPTO Head: Current Patent Litigation Is 'Reasonable'

elashish14 writes "David Kappos, head of the USPTO, today provided a strong defense of the patent system, particularly in the mobile industry. In his address, he implored critics, 'Give the [America Invents Act] a chance to work.' He then went on to proclaim the 'absolutely breakneck pace' of innovation in the smartphone industry and that the U.S. patent system is 'the envy of the world,' though he was likely only referring to the envy of the world's lawyers. Perhaps the most laughable quote from his address: 'The explosion of litigation we are seeing is a reflection of how the patent system wires us for innovation.'"

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  1. Hey, by Sez+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    David Kappos, you have a new enemy.

  2. DUH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of course the boss is gonna say everything is peachy...

    1. Re:DUH by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed.

      This is no different than when the head of the TSA talks about how great a job he thinks the TSA is doing, or when a DEA agent talks about how horrible a drug marijuana is.

      I believe the layman's term for this practice is 'not shitting where one eats.'

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    2. Re:DUH by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny

      He is preparing the ground so that, when charged with gross incompetence, he can plead "guilty but insane".

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  3. Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by dclozier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only someone with a vested interest would think it's working great. Seriously.

    1. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This goes beyond 'regulatory capture', it's more like 'regulatory Stockholm Syndrome'

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    2. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He does not have to own stock in any of the companies that profit from the current, broken patent system to have a vested interest in the current system. He is the head of the Patent Office. Most of the suggested reforms would reduce the significance of the Patent Office, which would reduce his significance.

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    3. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He does have a vested interest in not changing things, changing things would require work and all he wants is a paycheck, and once he goes back to the private sector he is going to get some absolutely massive paychecks if the system he wants to game is not changed.

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    4. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But he specifically brought up smartphones as an example of where the system was working well. Maybe the system does work well in other areas, but if the head of the office is trying to use smartphones as an example of patents inspiring "innovation", he is... an idiot, quite frankly (or a liar, either way, not trustworthy).

      Combine that with lots of other crap coming out of the office (like labeling any business that uses trademarks as an "IP-business" to defend IP laws, even if you're just working construction), and it doesn't paint a very pretty picture. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's outright corruption, but it's incompetence, at least.

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    5. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by gerddie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course: people innovate, with or without patents. They did so for millennia without patent protection and it went just fine. Actually, without patents its easier to innovate, because you don't need to worry about other peoples "intellectual property", instead you have to worry about how to stay ahead.

    6. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by Halo1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the other hand, the Patent system works well when viewed in its historical context. They have been a net benefit for innovation.

      Actually, one of the most comprehensive studies on that topic (Fritz Machlup, An Economic Review of the Patent System) concluded more or less the opposite:


      If one does not know whether a system "as a whole" (in contrast to certain features of it) is good or bad, the safest "policy conclusion" is to "muddle through" - either with it, if one has long lived with it, or without it, if one has lived without it. If we did not have a patent system, it would be irresponsible, on the basis of our present knowledge of its economic consequences, to recommend instituting one. But since we have had a patent system for a long time, it would be irresponsible, on the basis of our present knowledge, to recommend abolishing it. This last statement refers to a country such as the United States of America - not to a small country and not to a predominantly nonindustrial country, where a different weight of argument might well suggest another conclusion.

      Similarly, the FTC Innovation report from 2003 was also far from unequivocally positive about patents, especially in the hardware/software fields. Or Jim Bessen's research, as presented (twice) at an FFII conference in 2004.

      For example, there are many fewer patents lawsuits regarding Smart Phones than there were in the time the original telephone was invented.

      That does not exemplify how patents have supposedly been a net benefit for innovation. Additionally, you are wrongly paraphrasing the article you refer to below. It only says that nowadays, per filed patent there are fewer lawsuits than there were in the days of the fixed telephone. From that it concludes that there is no problem with the volume of patent lawsuits.

      I would argue that the reason for this is that patents are used in a very different way today compared to how they were used back then (there were much less large companies back then amassing patent war chests just for defensive purposes). Arguably, the standards for patentability were also higher back then, which means that actually going to court rather than only looking for the players you can convince to settle out of course was a much less risky business.

      Here is a god article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2012/02/09/no-the-patent-system-is-not-broken/2/

      While I appreciate that shooting the messenger by itself is not a very strong argument, that's an opinion piece by "the vice president and head of strategic acquisitions at Intellectual Ventures". That's patent troll central. Suing companies, or threatening to sue them, based on all kinds of patents is their bread and butter.

      Moving on to substance, he's most definitely wrong when he claims that "Every major technological and industrial breakthrough in U.S. history [..] has been accompanied by exactly the same surge in patenting, patent trading, and patent litigation that we see today in the smartphone business". Do you remember the massive patent wars from the eighties and nineties that came with the personal computer revolution? No? Me neither. There were a few lawsuits (e.g. Stac vs Microsoft), but there most definitely was no surge like what we see today.

      What we need is general legal reform so that disputes can be decided simply and inexpensively without Lawyers getting all the goodies.

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    7. Re:Wonder how much Apple stock he owns? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The obvious part is that you need some kind of identifiable gesture to unlock the phone - otherwise it would unlock itself spontaneously when sitting in your pocket. You've suggested several different gestures, but they're all the same obvious 'invention'. And once a particular gesture is in common use, it becomes part of the 'language' of dealing with touchscreen devices. Same applies to 'pinch to zoom'.

      These standard vocabulary 'words' of touchscreen interaction are the exact equivalent of the universal 'walk' symbol or the stop sign, or the location of the gas a brake pedals in a car. For modern life to work, we have to agree on common standards. If you start granting monopolies on those things, there is chaos. If you deem these things worthy of patent protection, then they need to be FRAND patents. Perversely, however, the standards required to actually make a phone call on a cellphone are FRAND, but the trivial standard on how to interact with the device are not. So you have Apple trying to make a deal with Motorola on the standards that allow them to make a cellphone in the first place, while reserving for themselves the standards on how to unlock a cellphone display. This is insane.

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  4. Denial is not just a river in Egypt by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Funny

    David Kappos [fingers in ears], "Lalalalalalalala ... everything is fine ... lalalalalalalalala..."

    Clearly determined to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

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  5. In other news by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The head of the SEA agrees all current drug laws are spot on and he expects, with his multi billion dollar annual budget, to announce the complete cessation of all illegal drug taking any day now.

  6. Surprise surprise... by jerpyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... another Bureaucrat defending his corporately lobbied position.

    Remember folks: government officials have an interest in securing and maintaining their department's funding, not (unless they're exceptional) in making progress.

  7. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The "value" of his job is directly related to how complex the system is. Why should anyone be surprised at this? The last thing he wants is to lessen or even streamline the impact of patent law on doing business -- in terms of either monetary cost or justice itself.

    The more complex, ambiguous, and exploitable the law, the more money there is to be made in administration. This applies to the bottom of the pyramid all the way up to the top.

  8. Can we have a little less bias in the summaries? by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Push your agenda in the comment section, where it belongs. The article summaries should be much more neutral.

  9. Incentivizing innovative litigation by Runesabre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The current patent ecosystem, at least in regards to computer technology in general, has incentivized an environment of innovative litigation schemes rather than incentivizing true product innovation. Too many businesses and lawyers making money from schemes that do not produce (and never intended to produce) tangible results other than to sue for money on white paper ideas that never saw (and never expected to see) the light of day until some other entity actually (often unknowingly) puts in the effort of true innovation while tripping over hidden patent traps.

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  10. Wired, for sure by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a reflection of how the patent system wires us for innovation.

    Meaning electrical wires attached to the testicles.

  11. Incomplete Story by eddeye · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Ars Technica piece is very slanted, pulling quotes our of context. Here's the full text of the speech itself: http://www.uspto.gov/news/speeches/2012/kappos_CAP.jsp

    For instance, compare these quotes, which give a very different perspective:

    "But it is equally important that patent protection be properly tailored in scope, so that programmers can write code and engineers can design devices without fear of unfounded accusations of infringement. And we know that inconsistency in software patent issuance causes uncertainty in the marketplace and can cause threats of litigation that in turn can stifle innovation and deter new market entrants."

    "Software experts have long observed that programming is incremental in nature, with modest improvements not worthy of patent protection. KSR gave us the ability to recognize this valid observation and incorporate it in our examination process."

    "Should we just accept the problems, given the importance of the innovation and the illogic of discriminating against great technology that happens to be implemented in software? Of course not. The right point of inquiry is quality. By getting that right, we grant patents only for great algorithmic ideas worthy of protection, and not for everything else. This administration and its innovation agency understand that low-quality patents do no good for anyone. Low quality patents lead to disputes, uncertainty, and lost opportunity. Quality is central to our mission. All of this especially for software."

    "One such initiative has already begun crowdsourcing searches for software prior art. It's called Ask Patents and is an online network hosted by Stack Exchange, where software experts engage in robust discussions of possible prior art for given applications, then submit the best prior art along with helpful commentary."

    "You know, the history of software patents is not a perfect one, although things are improving. Some of the most troublesome patents have expired; others can be challenged with new post-grant proceedings; and newer patents are quantifiably clearer, and aligned with current legal standards."

    "For those who feel more needs to be done, we encourage you to keep reaching out to us at the USPTO, as well as to other actors who also have an important role to play. The USPTO administers the laws, while Congress and the courts write the laws and interpret them, respectively. Working together, we can find the right balance for software patents. We can find a balance that ensures market certainty, encourages investment and research and product development, and guarantees that patents issued going forward are appropriately tailored."

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  12. Re:So Where Are the Other Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    china makes US patented stuff mostly on contract by US companies

    Yet one could argue that China's current economic boom owes quite a bit to simply ignoring IP law. Much as the whole reason that New York City is today a major publishing center can be traced back to the 1800s and folks in the US simply ignoring IP law.

    Emerging economies do best when they ignore the artificial barriers put in place by the current incumbents, not least as those barriers are often there solely to protect those incumbents. Comparing the patent-laden high-tech sector to the likely equally fast-paced yet patent-less fashion sector strongly suggests that patents and innovation are, at best, orthogonal.

  13. Re:Can we have a little less bias in the summaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, the idiocy of some USPTO issued patents is not a matter of opinion. If you push neutrality over facts you're gonna have a bad time-

  14. Re:When You're A Hammer... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Informative

    I put "IP" in quotes. This is because these items are not property. It abuses the word property. Only one person can own a piece of property and billions can have the same idea. It's the wrong term to use for these items. There needs another term coined.

    The whole thing needs to be rethought. Throw out the term "Intellectual Property" and go back to the constitutional reasoning behind why it was created in the first place.

  15. He's a lawyer, what do you expect? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kappos

    Only reason he likes the patent system, imo.

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  16. Re:Can we have a little less bias in the summaries by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally I believe there are 2 sides to almost any story, including this one.

    There is some evidence to suggest that any monopoly privilege grant, such as patents, will be expanded with time. The benefits to owning monopoly privileges are concentrated amongst the few owners, while the costs of being excluded are diffuse amongst the population at large. Under those conditions, the political incentive will be to expand monopoly rights, regardless of the current state of those rights. The reason is that it pays the benefactors to lobby congress, whereas it's a net loss to individuals to do so, even when they win.

    Although it's in a different area, copyrights instead of patents, no doubt this explains why the copyright expiration has been repeatedly extended.

    ~Loyal

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