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Israeli Infrastructure Proves Too Strong For Anonymous
Mephistophocles writes "Ever since the beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense, hackers have been working overtime to strike a blow against the Israeli government's computer systems, Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said Sunday. No fewer than 44 million attacks have been recorded since the operation began five days ago — with nearly all of them failing, thanks to the recent strengthening of computer defense systems in Israel. Speaking at a special press conference at the Government Computing Center in Jerusalem about the cyber war against Israel that has accompanied Hamas's rocket attacks, Steinitz said that hackers 'are trying to disable the symbols of Israeli sovereignty, to enter web sites and install anti-Israel content, thus compromising information and data and damaging the government's ability to serve the public.' Most of the attacks, he said, were against government sites, like the Prime Minister's Office site, and security-related sites, such as that of the Home Front Command, the body charged with informing Israelis on how to protect themselves in the event of an attack. Out of those 44 million-plus attacks on government and defense related sites, said Steinitz, only one succeeded – partially. One site, which he did not name, was 'wobbly for a few minutes,' but quickly recovered. Even though the government has been successful in warding off hack attacks, Steinitz said that government sites were fully backed up and mirrored, meaning that they could be replaced by a duplicate site instantly if the original site were compromised."
If it was necessary to keep the networks operating. These kids, like Assange, can be naive.
The "cyber attacks" against Israel are about as impressive as Palestinian missile technology.
Why don't stop being ignorant of the fact that Hamas' leaders have made it clear that they want Israel destroyed and all ethnic Jews eliminated? Why don't you stop being ignorant of the fact that Hamas has been initiated this exchange since they acquired Iranian weapons capable of reaching Tel Aviv months ago? Israel never fires the first shot, yet they are called the aggressors. I'm tired, TIRED of ignorant simpletons and their rhetoric.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
They won't use them, unless their very survival is at threat.
Leave Israel alone, and they'll leave you alone.
44 million attacks
A DDoS is a single attack.
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
It sure looks like they are as blameworthy as the other side. No one wants to hear it but Israel with the West Bank/Gaza Strip and the USA in Iraq/Afghanistan need to remember how WW2 ended. With the Marshall plan. Anything short of a similar rebuilding program will only lead to what we have now.
Israel is a Friend to the United States
What exactly has Israel ever done for the United States? They've stolen military secrets and threatened to sell them to the Russians. They've involved us in conflicts across the world that provide us no benefit whatsoever. And their oppression of the Palestinians has spurned terrorists on to attack the US.
And what do we get for this? They now threaten to attack Iran and fuck with the international oil trade. They bomb Gaza relentlessly even after the US paid for their Iron Dome defense system that has largely made Israeli cities immune from rocket fire. And their Prime Minister felt that it was okay to interfere in our Presidential elections.
Sorry, Israel is no friend of the US.
Probably because they forced these people to live in walled off Areas and took long from farmers to build those walls.
Sure Israel has done this to defend itself, but it chose the wrong path. Something like the marshall plan and a single state would have been a far better solution. Now Hamas and the Israeli far right parties need each other. This is how they both keep the power they have.
Anons everywhere are now thinking to themselves, "challenge accepted."
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
When your defenses are tested on a regular and ongoing basis, they become very good. It's not like the attacks from Anonymous were the first nor will they be the last. Kudos to the people who created and maintain these systems.
It would be interesting to know if the Iraelis are doing something the rest of the world doesn't know about (chances are they wouldn't tell us but who could blame them?) or are just rigorously implementing standard computer and network security measures.
Cheers,
Dave
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
You know, if the palestinians hadn't been sending suicide bombers, and putting snipers on hills/buildings the wall wouldn't exist at all. Notice how you don't hear about either one anymore except at checkpoints, where they try to sneak someone in, or they've strapped it to some poor retarded kid who could be easily manipulated. Luckily the half dozen times they tried they've managed to talk the kids out of blowing themselves up.
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Your comment is the kind of tit-for-tat that keeps this pointless conflict going.
I acknowledged the reason for doing this, and I can even see why someone would make that choice. That does not mean I believe it to be an ideal solution.
You don't think their population would distance themselves from the crazies for a chance at a good life?
You don't think AC, McDonalds and TVs would pacify them?
I think that sort of easy life is attractive to everyone and only the shitty living conditions they people live in motivates them to behave as they do. They want someone to blame, they want someone to fight because they have nothing else.
They could be. All they need to do acknowledge that Israel is a legitimate nation. But you know, Hamas won't do that. They want to abolish Israel. Kind of hard for Israel to leave alone people who want to destroy it.
This whole story is basically like a feud that started long ago, between two families. And generations later, the kids will fight among themselves without even knowing what the reason behind the fight was.
The obvious thing would be to get down to the table and talk about it, but guess what, those who are supposed to find a solution for this are none others than the guys who benefit the most from it (Hamas on one side, and the right wing Israelis).
Acting like a bully won't make you look like you'r defending yourself for sure. And no matter how much of a threat those Palestinian missiles are, if each time your countryside gets hit by one, you answer with a couple of air raids and a dozen of children in the "Collateral Damage" list, you sure as hell can't expect the Palestinians (and by extension the rest of the Muslim world) to see as anything else other than a tyrant invader.
So, who's going to break the cycle of violence? If you meet violence with violence, you get more violence. Someone will have to meet violence with kindness, and you don't seem to think the Palestinians can do it. So shouldn't you be encouraging Israel to do so?
The only other alternative is the complete elimination of the Palestinian people. But by operaghost's logic, that would justify Palestinian aggression against Israel.
The real solution is to acknowledge that neither Jewish nor Muslim states have any right to exist. The only just government is secular and democratic. Create a secular and democratic state where both israelis and palestinians have equal rights to vote. Then they can fight their wars in parliament, and terrorism will be a law enforcement issue.
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This is Israel we're talking about folks... Of course they were going to be able to withstand these attacks. It's an offshoot of Israel's unparalleled second-strike capability mentality. It's all they have.
Can you think of any other country in the world that is so completely and utterly beset by constant regional threats and actually has the resources to do something about it? If there is any country that is going to build proactive and pragmatic redundancy into their national IT infrastructure to protect it from external threats (and do it right), it's Israel. They have a lot more to lose by doing it wrong.
We are not talking about part of Israel, for better or worse. Not other nations.
How are the things that keep first world nations nice and peaceful fire? Do you really think AC is evil?
These people did nothing to squander a way their lead, they were not even thought of at that time. Most of them were born after the 1948 formation of the current state of Israel. They were born into this situation. You can't see how being born into poverty in an occupied area not even acknowledged as part of the greater State, would lead to this sort of thing?
Understanding on both sides would go a long way towards letting this issue be solved.
I realize this will hold little / no value for most of the /. readership, as polls I've seen here come back showing overwhelmingly agnostic / atheist beliefs amongst the local populous, but in Christian and Jewish tradition the area of nation of Israel was given to them by God. They have been driven out of the area a few times in history, and have always managed to return eventually. They are also one of the most persecuted people groups on the planet (historically) that has managed to survive, and there is an awful lot of conflict surrounding them and that region.
The reason they are there now is that the British Empire controlled that region at the close of World War II, and gave it to the surviving Jewish people who had lived through the horrors of the Holocaust (and others from around the world). The Israelis don't have a problem living in peace with the Palestinians, and even ceded land to them (which is the Gaza area, where the current issues are happening). However, the leadership that those same Palestinians elected have it in their very charter that all Jews (not just Israeli citizens, but those of Jewish heritage) should be wiped out. Then those same people launch missiles over the border, and yet when Israel responds to defend themselves you complain?
William George
Palestinians in Israel have the right to vote already.
But not the ones in occupied Gaza.
The reality aside, Israel has attempted to break the cycle of violence. Note that they limited or completely stopped all attacks against Hamas several times.
But they haven't stopped building on Palestinian land.
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A reflection of military strategy, not contribution. To the Soviets a single soldier was expendable. The US has a different approach. You also discount the billions of dollars that the US gave the Soviets to finance military production.
Oh fuck right off. The Palestinian leaders were acting like arseholes and trying to kill Jews just for being Jewish before the state of Israel even existed. Haj Amin al-Husseini who was the Grand Mufti (religious leader) of the Palestinians (of Jerusalem to be precise) during the 1940s was buddies with notable people like Hitler, Himmler, and anyone who promised to find a gas chamber for every Jew. He actively encouraged the Germans, and worked to dissuade countries from accepting German Jewish refuges forcing them to return to Germany. ALL BEFORE A JEWISH STATE EXISTED, mother fucker. So don't try to tell me that the Jews started anything.
The Jews were the ones who promised no change in personal property or land or status would take place when Israel was formed, that the status quo shouldn't change, meanwhile their leader(s) and other Arab countries told the Palestinians to get out of the way and to go to the refugee camps while they "pushed the Jews into the sea" with their anti Semitic Arab brotherhood. Now they're sore losers and even the other Arab countries around there won't let them into their own countries because they have so many trouble makers.
Don't you know Egypt has a big fucking wall set up between them and Palestine too? And when the Palestinians knocked part of it down, the Egyptian army pushed them back in a repaired it. Notice the Muslim Brotherhood haven't opened up the border with Gaza any more than Israel since they were elected?
So just shut the fuck up until you learn to think on your own instead of running with the crowd in their nouveau cause du jour which they know nothing about, but will surely fuck some innocent people over to make themselves feel like they have a cause.
I don't give a rat's ass what anyone is. But dirt bags who hide in civilian neighbourhoods and continually fire rockets into other civilian neighbourhoods while screaming how they are so just and hard done by deserve what they get. And the people who don't turn them in deserve it too. You ever think that if these shit bags had ever once tried to be civil there wouldn't be any war there. You know there are a lot of Arabs who live in Israel, vote and even sit in parliament. Jews in the Arab countries have to keep their heads down and not 'rise above themselves'. Get a real education on the subject.
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The fact is they have had a nuclear capability for a while and have proven they are not trigger happy and they are capable of securing the nuclear weapons. Check out a map and see just how small a country it is. Any nuclear attack on Gaza or the West Bank would be the equivalent of nuking themselves.
They did use the threat of nuclear retaliation in 1973 but that was a ruse to get Nixon to take his head out of his ass and re-supply the IDF. They purposely let leak through unencrypted radio transmissions that they were activating their Samson plan which was the code for arming their nukes on their F-4's and Jericho missiles. Not that they really needed to do so since they had already pushed the Syrians and Egyptians back into their own countries. Nixon didn't want to get involved becuase at the time the Soviets were heavily invested with the Egyptians and Syrians and he was afraid of escalating the problem.
The 73 war is probably the most humiliating loss the Arab countries have suffered in all their conflicts with Isreal. The Arabs had total surprise, overwhelming numerical advantages, Soviet wire guided anti-tank missiles, night vision scopes with IR targeting in their tanks (again thanks to the Soviets), and advanced first line SAM systems once again courtesy of the Soviets. They also came up with an ingenious way of tackling the gigantic sand berms using water cannons so their tanks could advance after crossing the canal. Too bad the Israelis held off 1000+ tanks off in the Golan Heights for 24 hours using only 37 Israeli tanks because of very poor tactical leadership on the Syrian side. They held long enough for reinforcements to arrive using the landscape, superb shoot and re-position tank tactics, and main gun range superiority. The Egyptians advanced without re-positioning their SAM coverage and thus became vulnerable to air attacks and they some how allowed the Israelis to float a temporary bridge across the canal and flank then en-circle the Egyptian army in the Sinai. I can only assume someone on the Egyptian side fell asleep during the Israeli crossing. The funny thing is the school books in Egypt make it sound like Egypt won that war when they clearly didn't.
If there is any Marshall plan in the middle east it should be left entirely to the Arab league not any western countries. The Arab countries have booted the Palestinians out of their countries and prohibited migration since day 1. They had pretty good reasons seeing as how the Palestinians in Jordan initiated a coup to remove the government as soon as they got there. The Palestinians were cheerleaders for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and after that war Kuwait evicted close to 100,000 Palestinians out of the country. Isreal is not and never has been the sole responsible party for palestinian suffering. It started with the inept British making promises to anyone who would listen to prop up their empire after WW1 and during WW2, Egypt abandon Egyptian citizens in the area now known as Gaza during their retreat in 67, and Jordan did the same thing resulting in the West Bank enclave.
The Iraqis and Afghan's have already had and wasted their Marshall Plan. In both cases the US and others removed the governments that were victimizing their own citizens and gave them a chance to rebuild their country in relative safety and they pissed it all away with in-fighting, bureaucratic corruption, and killing those trying to give them at least a fighting chance to build a better country. If the Japanese were able to swallow their pride and work with the US after WW2 I don't see how others could not do the same. Because this whole mess is more about Arab wounded pride than any land or religious disputes.
Of course if Israel offered Abbas everything on the Jordanian side of the Green Line (including Jerusalem), Abbas'd be able to crush Hamas like a bug. But Israel's internal politics mean that anyone who proposes that, or anything remotely like that, gets crushed in the next election.
In other words Israel isn't asking for a simple recognition of it's right to exist, it's asking for recognition of it's conquest of East Jerusalem (plus probably some more territory). That's a whole different kettle of fish.
If the land weren't occupied at all, I could see there being reasonable and justified claim to a piece of land, but 2000 years is an awfully long time. Having any sort of historical/ancestral claim to land take precedence over an existing population's is putting the cart before the horse.
You don't think their population would distance themselves from the crazies for a chance at a good life?
Let's take Iran as an example. Most Iranians would like an excellent life. They defy their government and install satellite dishes and understand what global (secular) civilization has to offer. They would like a piece of that. Unfortunately due to the 'velyat a faqir' the Iranian Government treats its citizens as wards of the state (that is, everyone is treated as if they were an orphan or mentally insane) and the government strictly controls what they can wear, what they can say, where they can do, who they meet. Besides the security services (nb: you never want to go to Evin prison, ever) the government enlists radical thugs called Basiji to brutalize anyone not following the government line. The people of Iran wanted to install democracy in 2009 after fraudulent elections and protested despite the brutality of the Basiji, but the government ruthlessly put down the protests and, shamefully, the West did absolutely nothing to support the large democracy movement. Iran wants to export this Shia-based system worldwide, whether you want it or not.
Now in Gaza the situation is similar, but not exactly the same. Most Palestinian just want a decent life - although they are prepared to forego one in order to destroy Israel (since it is commanded to kill Jews, Christians and unbelievers in many many places in the Qur'an and Hadiths; so they are just being good Muslims and obeying their scriptures; the 'bad' muslims are the one who refuse Allah's commandments to kill unbelievers [fortunately, many muslims are good people and defy their faith in this way]). Hamas used to be buddies with Iran but they fell out over Syria. Hama follows the Sunni branch of Islam so is opposed to the Shia branch of Iran (usually that would mean they would be mortal enemies; but they put this aside temporarily to eliminate Israel before spreading the 'Caliphate' to the rest of the World).
The Israelis are exactly as you describe. They already have McDonalds, TVs and a very very modern society. Their government is influenced by, but not controlled by the crazies (Hasidim) that cause much of the 'settler' issues in the West Bank. Otherwise, Israel is a normal 'Western' society and responds in what most Slashdotters would consider a rational manner to irrational circumstances. That is, people who will make temporary truces but don't recognize the UN resolution that recognizes Israel in the western Palestine region of the former Ottoman Empire (the eastern part is now called 'Jordan' and can be considered the true 'Palestinians'). Note: Palestine has never (yet) been an actual country, it was a Roman name for a region of their empire which has remained as a region/province in additional empires throughout history. Note also the bulk of what are reported by the media as 'Palestinians' actually are relatively recent immigrants from Egypt or Sudan (within a couple of generations). Curiously: when tracing family history back many Israelis have more generations born in Palestine than 'Palestinians' - this is an 'open secret' (eg. Yasser Arafat was actually of Egyptian decent; and Gaza was Egyptian in antiquity before it passed to the Ottoman Empire).
See, this is all pretty complicated. They may want McDonalds and new stuff but there is so much history of the area that just about anyone can make any claim. Only those who are prepared to look forward will make progress (eg. the Israelis) and those who get hung up on history (Hamas & Iran) will resist progress and modernity and instead cling (with force) to obsolescent ideas.
For a long time Islamic civilization was well ahead of the barbarous West. The principle of 'ijtihad' allowed all sorts of interesting questions to be debated and examined. However, the Caliphs at that time in Baghdad perceived this as a threat to their rule and squashed all inquiry by force. That unquestioning of Islam continues to this day, and Muslims also attempt to extend this political decision to Westerners too (eg. the moves in the UN to prohibit Free Speech by not being able to question any religion). It is this suppression of Free Speech and enquiry that allowed the West to leapfrog ahead of the more advanced Islamic cultures.
It is interesting to note that a similar situation occurred with China. China was far ahead of the West but an emperor decided that all the strange things and ideas his fleets were bringing back were a bad idea and China turned inward. Meanwhile, the chaotic factions of the West strove to out-compete each other and made massive progress in all areas (ideological, social, technical, medical, scientific, political).
The ability to question and overturn orthodoxy is incredibly important for progress. This is why Free Speech must be protected. Especially speech that challenges conventional views. Ideas that make 'normal' people uncomfortable should not be suppressed (only overt hate speech should be suppressed, but this is very a narrow area). Progress is not possible without it - so watch out America and Europe, your 'Political Correctness' could well get you eclipsed just as the Muslim and Chinese cultures were at one point. As long as a society has Free Speech and a Free Press then it has a considerable competitive advantage over those that don't. eg. until China opens up its thinking it will *always* lag behind the West in innovation, no matter how much tech it steals; the Muslim world will remain stuck at that point in time in which the Caliph closed free speech as long as violence and coercion are used to prevent new ideas that approach blasphemy.
NicBenjamin writes:
Hey Dude, check it out! It's right here in the Hamas Charter:
For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allahâ(TM)s victory prevails
nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allahâ(TM)s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).
Pretty cool, huh Dude?
Nearly all of the well known terrorists figureheads have had very good lives. All of the 9/11 hijackers had college degrees. The current head of Al-Qaeda is a surgeon. Osama Bin Laden was a multi-millionaire. Azzam the American was born in Berkly, California, and left for the middle east in his 20's. Anwar al-Awlaki was providing support for known terrorists while living as a citizen of the US. Nidal Malik Hasan was an Army Major when he shouted allahuakbar and shot people up.
Nearly all of them have lived in the US legitimately, as well as numerous parts of Europe. Not only have they had a chance at a good life, they lived a good life.
I somehow doubt AC, McDonalds, and TV's would pacify them.
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Yo Dude,
There's a PA Mufti who seems to disagree with you; he takes this Gharqad tree business literally (check out the last sentence of his).
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian_incitement/PA_Mufti_encourages_killing_Jews_9-Jan-2012.htm?DisplayMode=print
So, Dude, how about you ring up Mr. Mufti and 'splain the whole metaphor thing to him, like? Or text him, whatever. And see if he can sync it all up with Hamas so they're on the same page. Kewl. KThx Dude.