Slashdot Mirror


Stratfor Hacker Could Be Sentenced to Life, Says Judge

dgharmon writes with this excerpt from rt.com: "A pretrial hearing in the case against accused LulzSec hacker Jeremy Hammond this week ended with the 27-year-old Chicago man being told he could be sentenced to life in prison for compromising the computers of Stratfor. Judge Loretta Preska told Hammond in a Manhattan courtroom on Tuesday that he could be sentenced to serve anywhere from 360 months-to-life if convicted on all charges relating to last year's hack of Strategic Forecasting, or Stratfor, a global intelligence company whose servers were infiltrated by an offshoot of the hacktivist collective Anonymous. Hammond is not likely to take the stand until next year, but so far has been imprisoned for eight months without trial. Legal proceedings in the case might soon be called into question, however, after it's been revealed that Judge Preska's husband was a victim of the Stratfor hack."

40 of 388 comments (clear)

  1. Nullified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    8 months with no trial has completely violated his constitutional rights, therefore the state should not be able to charge him.

    1. Re:Nullified by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he's been arrested, it can take as long as is reasonably necessary before trial begins - and he's already been charged. If the lawyers spar a bit (discovery, pre-trial motions, change of venue, etc), then it only adds to the time spent in lock-up while waiting.

      The whole Casey Anthony thing had her locked up for about as long, and she was found not guilty of the murder charge** - there was nothing mentioned or made of the time served while waiting for trial, IIRC. /P

      ***(IMHO the bitch did it, but legally she was found not guilty. Such is the system...)

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    2. Re:Nullified by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US has proven time and again, that justice is served only to those who own the system.

      Authority is no longer derived from the consent of the governed. No one consented to this.

      There is no legal basis for the existence of US government. Resistance is inevitable and necessary. You are already in violation of law, without any special effort on that account. It may as well mean something.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:Nullified by iccaros · · Score: 4, Interesting
      title>

      "8 months with no trial has completely violated his constitutional rights, therefore the state should not be able to charge him."

      ???

      He was indited in March, where he went to court, There was no bail request from his lawyers, so he waits for the courts schedule to open for the case, which was July 23rd, where he did request bail but was denied. In that inditement the prosecution request time to gather evidence, which comes to now, when the scheduled opens and time is up for the prosecution. In the constitution he is given right to a speedy trial, but what does that mean? Well normally when ever the courts have the ability, or laws set by the state, but in this case this is his third time in court so he has not been waiting, so no his constitutional rights have not be violated.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Trial_Clause

      but how were the actions of Hammond a good thing for people to hold up, The attitude of I do not agree with you so I will destroy your property is a childish way to act, and the conspiracy theories surrounding this case make it hard to tell truth from fiction.

    4. Re:Nullified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For obvious reasons, I'll post as an AC, but be well aware that speedy trials are not always the rule. I was accused of a serious crime. I spent 14 months in jail awaiting my trial. Fourteen months in jail because I was denied bail. I was acquitted of all charges. But of course, there are still those who believe that because I was arrested, I had to be guilty. The Police only arrest guilty people. So I just had a good lawyer. Not true!

    5. Re:Nullified by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imprisoned until proven innocent, unless the defendant is rich enough to afford bail, is the law. Servers him right for embarrassing wealthy people.

      --
      Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
    6. Re:Nullified by Lendrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was with you until you went Full Retard:

      > There is no legal basis for the existence of US government.

      Governments exist to make and enforce laws, not because of laws. Regardless of your feelings about the legitimacy of a government, in absence of a government there are no laws to speak of, so it doesn't make any sense to say that a government requires a legal basis to exist.

      Perhaps you meant that there's no ethical or philosophical basis for the existence of the US government, but even then, republics are set up so that you can replace the people in the government without armed revolution. If you can't build enough support for an electoral majority, then you're just a bunch of annoying anarchists trying to impose your will on a large group of people who don't want it. Call the government tyranny of the majority if you want, but overthrowing a democratically elected government is tyranny of the minority, which is even worse.

    7. Re:Nullified by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. 12-year-olds, like f*cking Jean Jacques Rosseau.

      "The Sovereign, having no force other than the legislative power, acts only by means of the laws; and the laws being solely the authentic acts of the general will, the Sovereign cannot act save when the people is assembled."

      "Every law the people have not ratified in person is null and void -- is, in fact, not a law."

      "The legislative power belongs to the people, and can belong to it alone."

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    8. Re:Nullified by jbolden · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are fixed time limits. And yes people get released all the time when the prosecution isn't ready to move forward. Generally it is the defense that wants more time. Just to pick a famous example Donny Rogers who was arrested and held on a murder charge had to be released because he went for the speedy trial and the state couldn't process the evidence in time.

    9. Re:Nullified by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not uncommon for corporations to put their cases in courts that best suit them, they just hope you'd never find out and even then, there is rarely any repercussion for anyone involved in the scam, it's just retried under a different judge that best suits them. You can see that not only with patent cases in Texas but similar discoveries have been made in most of the high-profile RIAA cases where it has been discovered that judges were directly involved with RIAA companies.

      The way it works in the US, they can even fund entire campaigns anonymously (through PAC's - see how Stephen Colbert did it) for a specific judge (as they are voted in) to take the bench while they are building a case.

      The US government in all branches all the way to the President, Congress and Supreme Court is simply bought and paid for already 4-8 years in advance. Clinton, Bush, Mittens, whoever is even considered to be next is already on the pay roll.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    10. Re:Nullified by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The way it works is you need to see what the prosecution is going to bring against you, which they have to disclose to you in advance of the trial. Then you have to construct a defensive strategy based on what you now know the prosecution has. Demanding a speedy trial is risky because although you would give the prosecution less time to build their case against you, you would also deprive your lawyers of the enough time to mount a good defense. It's only advised if you know the prosecution's case is weak.

      Also, in many cases the defendant is on bail anyway. That's not the case with Jeremy Hammond. He was denied bail. Given the sentence he could be facing (and his general disregard for authority), he's a flight risk.

    11. Re:Nullified by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was with you until you went Full Retard:

      That's a yellow card for Improper Use of Terms.

      The proper term is Full Metal Jackass.

    12. Re:Nullified by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, they did not do that. They simply established that they were going to govern themselves according to their assumed rights and the precedents of English Common Law, with some innovations. The "right to exist" was granted to the new Federal government by the States. The Constitution was simply the document that described how it worked and how power was to be shared between it and the States.

    13. Re:Nullified by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Servers him right for embarrassing wealthy people.

      Yes, people who became wealthy by making us poor, telling us there were terrorist boogiemen in the closet and under our beds, and then selling us snake oil cures like "enhanced" airport security scanners that give us cancer. Then they decide to start setting up cameras everywhere to record license plates, facial pictures, fingerprints, shopping habits, facebook profiles, private e-mail accounts... everything they can get their hands on. Why? To protect us against the boogiemen, of course. And not a single terrorist to show for it... but you know what can be shown for it? Marketing companies. Insurance companies. So-called "deep" background checks run against mid-level managers who know just enough to be dangerous, but not rich enough to be complicit and loyal to their corporate overlords without their knowledge. You can buy access to anyone's complete private data collection, just put a dollar in the jar over there labelled "For National Security Use Only".

      This guy may have been stupid, and doubly-so for getting caught... But there's an old latin proverb: "Every misfortune is to be believed when directed against the unfortunate." He's poor. They could tell us he raped thousands of young, nubile school girls before setting fire to the local orphanarium and then passing out drunk in the street... and we'd believe him... because he's poor. It's what we expect from poor people.

      --
      #fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
    14. Re:Nullified by Creepy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He is charged with a crime as bad as crossing the border and shooting a couple of police officers - top of the scale zone D federal crime (which is where the 360 months to life lies). The MINIMUM fine for such an offense is $25000 - my guess is bail is $10 million or more. With politicians and judges obviously in the corporations pockets, stealing from them has become worse than mass murder or shooting cops.

    15. Re:Nullified by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disregard for authority?

      It's sad just how much now is characterized as "authority," including corporations.

      --
      This space available.
    16. Re:Nullified by Chas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disregard for authority?

      It's sad just how much now is characterized as "authority," including corporations.

      Okay. You don't know Hammond.

      I do. He's a blight on society.

      The man has no respect for any form of authority whatsoever. His ideal form of "government" is that he's allowed to do whatever he pleases, regardless of who it hurts, and suffers no consequences. But everyone else has to play by whatever rules he decides on at the moment. And his number one crime? Daring to tell him "no".

      He preaches about "social justice". Too bad he doesn't believe a word of it.

      The thin veneer of charisma, that has some deluded idiots portraying him as some sort of "Robin Hood" figure, only barely covers his thug's mentality.

      He hasn't done any of this for any greater purpose. He's doing it because he feels that someone has done him wrong. And he'll use any means to get back at any and everyone for his discomfiture.

      That being said. If the article is right about the judge's ties to the case, she needs to recuse herself.
      Do it by the book so he has zero recourse in even the appearance of impropriety.

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    17. Re:Nullified by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The man has no respect for any form of authority whatsoever. His ideal form of "government" is that he's allowed to do whatever he pleases, regardless of who it hurts, and suffers no consequences.

      I think you've just described how 80% of the people who call themselves libertarians on slashdot see themselves. Thankfully they are too timid to put their deluded "tough talking" into practice.

    18. Re:Nullified by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The "small government" people in the US exclude prisons and courts, as punishing people is an allowed purpose of the government. Even better, they want tax to pay for them, then pay some private corporation to charge 10% profit on top of the cost of running it because cost +10% is "cheaper" than cost, because private enterprise is always cheaper.

    19. Re:Nullified by Chas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't say you SHOULD trust me. I never claimed to be non-partisan in this.

      At one time, he happened to drift into my circle of hacking and security people.
      We were friendly, but we'd made it clear from the get go that he wasn't "taking over" or using the group as a bully pulpit for his particular brand of politics.
      We'd already had the FBI scrutinizing us for another idiot who'd been in the group several years prior. And none of us wanted that kind of heat again.
      When he wasn't allowed to do what he wanted, he started vandalizing our meeting place and the surrounding community.

      Do the research yourself. Unless you're already bought into the whole "Free Jeremy" thing, it's pretty obvious what sort of person he really is.

      And, as I said. Even disliking the man the way I do. I want him to get an open and impartial hearing.

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    20. Re:Nullified by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We already TRIED that, it was later called "the age of the robber barons" because i don't give a rat's ass what kind of utopia you dream up without rules it quickly devolves into "he who has the gold makes the rules' just as it has since the days of the cavemen. The problem with libertarianism (or any other ism for that matter) is at their core they all depend on those at the top not being douches when as we have seen a billion times throughout history the ONE thing you can count on is for those at the top to be giant self serving douches.

      As for TFA, evil corrupt government VS maladjusted and probably a little batshit hackers...yeah, not really anybody to root for in this fight, they ALL suck.

      --
      ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
  2. Life? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Murderers don't always receive life sentences. I wasn't aware the "life" of a corporation was more important than the rest of us.

    1. Re:Life? by bartosek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well now you know what the judicial system thinks.

    2. Re:Life? by Larryish · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would rather be in a comma than be in a colon.

    3. Re:Life? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is because hackers don't just act greedy. After all, they are daring to question the system, rather than just falling in line and trying to exploit other people. That is more dangerous than anything else, even more dangerous than someone who plans and executes a murder.

      --
      Palm trees and 8
    4. Re:Life? by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Murderers don't always receive life sentences. I wasn't aware the "life" of a corporation was more important than the rest of us.

      Read: Don't mess with our intelligence services.

      --
      My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  3. not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    meanwhile rapists and murders get off in 5-10

    truly is a corporate run government.

    1. Re:not surprised by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      British Petroleum managment always gets off with no time served. Bodies and billions destroyed all over the US.

  4. Scam people out of their life savings by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and get bailed out. Maker some intelligence company look like chumps and get life in prison. I know its the states but what happened to the punishment should fit the crime?

    --
    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
  5. Hacking is now Terrorism? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Crabtree notes that Hammond ... has also since been added to a terrorist watch list.

    So hacking into a Corporation will now get you labelled as a Terrorist and could land you life in prison.
    Seems that being a plain ol' armed robber and/or murderer would net you far less severe a punishment.

    Seems that if a crime happens on the internet, the punishment is automatically increased 10 fold from it's brick and mortar counter-parts.

  6. Re:breaking and entering by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree that the guy is getting unfairly treated (and charged, etc), but your logic sucks - no matter how flimsy the door, it's still B&E.

    The fucked-up part is, physically breaking and entering into the datacenter would likely have gotten him less potential jail time than busting in digitally.

    --
    Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
  7. So what are you in for? by Ka+D'Argo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh I murdered a couple of families on the eastern seaboard, luckily all I got was life. You?

    I uh..hacked a computer network..

    --
    Aw Frell this
  8. Missed from post, Calls for judge resignation by sugarmotor · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article

    In a press release issued under the branding of the Anonymous collective, supporters for Hammond call for Judge Preska’s immediate resignation from the case. “Judge Preska by proxy is a victim of the very crime she intends to judge Jeremy Hammond for. Judge Preska has failed to disclose the fact that her husband is a client of Stratfor and recuse herself from Jeremy's case, therefore violating multiple Sections of Title 28 of the United States Code,” the statement reads.

    --
    http://stephan.sugarmotor.org
  9. Wrong. by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is almost universal that the defendant waives their right to a speedy trial on the advice of their attorney. Otherwise, their attorney would have to put on a defense far sooner that they would be ready.

    --
    When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
  10. Re:Soviet vs American justice by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the best punishment would be a year or so in prison with the most violent and vicious criminals our society has to offer. If that doesn't discourage him from his black-hat activities then nothing will. A few before and after pictures (of both his face and anus) posted online should do the trick.

    You sir are simply a sadist.

    Even without experiencing the horrible torture you propose, you are already as cruel and depraved as if you had.

    --
    I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
  11. That's not about corporations by ElusiveJoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Corporations are virtual entitty. He tried to fuck with "priveledged" people, so he must be severely punished in order to demonstrate the power to other peasants. Sending a message is more important than any peasents' business.

    And I'm not being sarcastic.

  12. u.s no longer check's and balances by Vince6791 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So when the U.S government hacks into foreign government servers and causes damage it's patriotic but a u.s citizen it's criminal. What about government monitoring every aspect of the web including your emails(email and mail same shit) without a court warrant. Anyway, the judge violated parts of the Title 28 of the United States Code, The judge by law cannot take a case where his own family member is involved in which it might affect his decision making he/she no longer impartial, and it showed. The hacker was held for that long with no bond or speedy trial, decision made by the judge, it's illegal. If this is the fault of the patriot act or ndaa for holding him without trial we are all fucking screwed. Unfortunately, when high officials abuse human rights they get fired and never see jail time. This whole government is acting like a fucking monarchy, like they are all kings or fucking special. Government will never work because people are corrupt by nature this is why we should build machines with impartial behavior built in their cpu to rule us all.

  13. US no better than China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    360 months (30 years) to life? Who the fuck has seen the inside of a jail cell, for any of the numerous unending scandals behind the financial crisis, that have impoverished and will impoverish many more people still? Who has seen the inside of a jail cell for engaging in war crimes, in a war of aggression, that after WWII was enshrined as one of the principle most evil acts a country can undertake? Who has seen the inside of a jail cell, for illegally spying on their citizenry, or for sanctioning that? For murdering other countries citizens (and even some of their own) in drone strikes?

    Fuck off with this utter bullshit; this guy was caught and should spend time in prison for what he did, but the length of the sentence they are going after is hideously gratuitous; this is the totally unaccountable elite trying to make an example out of someone, for giving enough of a shit to fight back, and reveal information that embarrasses that elite.

    I don't pretend that this guy or Anonymous in general work with noble intentions, it's plainly obvious many of them do it just because they like the attention and drama of high-profile hacks, and useful information gained is often incidental, but there's a lot to be said for the civil disobedience aspect of these attacks on establishment institutions; much of the information gained from Stratfor provided a valuable service to the public interest, and this guys attack should be treated as an act of civil disobedience, meriting the same level of outrage defense, of someone getting a similarly gratuitous sentence for trespassing while protesting.

    This is a government that already massively invades everyones privacy through surveillance, and is trying to gratuitously expand their attacks on peoples privacy through massive expansions on monitoring the whole Internet in the US, with the legal ability to invade anyones online and personal lives.

    If they're going to try and invade peoples privacy to such a huge degree, people should fucking fight back and legitimize digging dirt on government and connected establishment institutions through hacking, as an act of civil disobedience; if they want to invade peoples privacy and lives, but try to remain opaque and unaccountable, people should fucking well force transparency onto them, and be ready to face the legal consequences, and defend those that get caught up in gratuitous cases such as these.

  14. Equal protection under the law? What's that? by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Jeremy Hammond actually did commit the crimes of which he is accused (and remember he is legally entitled to the presumption of innocence), then he deserves to be punished. But it's very difficult to think of any situation where life in prison would be appropriate for what is basically a small-scale hack of the type that happens dozens if not hundreds of times every day. Stratfor is a company with 70 employees. The local library where I work has more employees than that, and probably more patrons than Stratfor has customers. If someone hacked our databases, do you think the authorities would investigate the complaint as seriously, much less try to sentence the hacker to life in prison? If someone hacked into the poorly-secured credit card data from a small restaurant and did the same amount of damage, would the authorities be treating him or her as Public Enemy No. 1? It's hard to avoid the conclusion that Hammond is being pursued with such vigor not because he broke the law, but because he committed offenses against politically powerful people, the clientele of Stratfor. (According to Wikipedia, "the company's publicity list includes Fortune 500 companies and international government agencies.") While this may not be surprising, it's a clear violation of the Constitution and needs to be fought against.

  15. National Security? Give up the drugs! by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

    National security is irrelevant when the apparent felony was a computer based attack committed against a tiny clipping agency that didn't even have a full time guy to look after their computers.