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Users Abandon Ship If Online Video Quality Is Not Up To Snuff, Says Study

An anonymous reader writes "The first large scientific study of how people respond to poor video quality on the Internet paints a picture of ever rising user expectations and the willingness to abandon ship if those expectations are not met (PDF). Some nuggets: 1) Some users are willing to wait for no more than 2 seconds for a video to start playing, with each additional second adding 6% to the abandonment rate. 2) Users with good broadband connectivity expect faster video load times and are even more impatient than ones on mobile devices. 3) Users who experience video freezing watch fewer minutes of the video than someone who does not experience freezing. If a video freezes for 1% of its total play time, 5% less of its total play time is watched, on average. 4) Users who experience failures when they try to play videos are less likely to return to the same website in the future. Big data was analyzed (260+ million minutes of video) and some cool new data analysis techniques used."

155 comments

  1. Brilliant business model. by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

    How do I get a job there?

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    1. Re:Brilliant business model. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever notice that the Advertisements load faster and are of better quality (DPI) many times than the video?

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    2. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      In fact, I have! I live in China and tried to use Hulu through a VPN. The actual shows SUCKED(lag, stutter, failure of the player to transition from ads back to the regular show) but the ads never skipped a beat.

      Been using pirate bay and have never looked back.

    3. Re:Brilliant business model. by runeghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not exactly. What I notice about ads is that they often try to load in a higher quality than the video I'm watching, then stutter and choke on the crappy bandwidth that is the best I can get where I live. Or they try to do something fancy and interactive, and hang or crash my browser. And then I wonder again why I'm not just downloading my content from the pirate bay...

    4. Re:Brilliant business model. by LocalH · · Score: 1

      You mean higher bitrate or resolution. DPI has no meaning in the world of video, with different display devices.

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    5. Re:Brilliant business model. by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      No, in fact I see the opposite on Hulu quite often. The advertisements are of such poor quality I sometimes wonder how Hulu tricked companies into paying for the placement.

    6. Re:Brilliant business model. by smellotron · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ever notice that the Advertisements load faster and are of better quality (DPI) many times than the video?

      No

    7. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen that on twitch.tv lately with the Mass Effect 3 (or is it the new DLC?) ad that has been running. Looks like it is fairly high resolution and it just stutters and chokes to a horrible degree. I'm not sure if they're stopping the underlying stream when the ad runs but it almost seems like they aren't.

      I try to keep adblock for twitch streamers off but if that ad plays then adblock goes on and I reload the page.

    8. Re:Brilliant business model. by sarysa · · Score: 1

      Higher resolution (or poorer compression), yes. Loads faster, absolutely not. Drives me nuts frankly -- I abandon videos on my sketchy home wifi when the ads chug on Hulu. If anything I hope they learned from this study to keep the ads' bps close to that of the content.

      In before a million posts about AdBlock. I put up with the ads simply because I want this business model to succeed. Yes, I suppose that makes me stupid. Though I'll be ready for the day they can seamlessly insert ads into the same stream as the program. (Ad blocker programs will have a hard time with that) Also, I take in a lot of media via Netflix, and no I don't pay for Hulu Plus.

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    9. Re:Brilliant business model. by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Yeah...that.

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    10. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shown so many times locally that they're cached in local servers?

    11. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Hulu at least it's the exact opposite.

    12. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the obligatory "Even though everyone knew what you were trying to say and I am going to add no value to the conversation, I'm going to comment to try to make you sound stupid" comment

    13. Re:Brilliant business model. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That's been my experience as well; I can't get a CBS station here so I watch Big Bang Theory on the CBS's web site. However, I can't find any current episodes on TPB, just the first four seasons.

    14. Re:Brilliant business model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kat.ph

    15. Re:Brilliant business model. by LocalH · · Score: 1

      Forgive me for trying to mitigate the usage of inaccurate or incorrect terminology. If I'd been trying to make them sound stupid I would have thrown in some insults.

      I suppose you'd harp on me if someone was clinging to the old "72dpi" myth and I corrected them.

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  2. If a video freezes by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    "If a video freezes for 1% of its total play time, 5% less of its total play time is watched, on average."

    no shit, cause it pisses you off to sit there watching a fuzzy video of a ZX Spectrum game that the asshat somehow encoded and uploaded at 20480P and is hosted by blip

    1. Re:If a video freezes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Let me ask you this, sir... How old are you? Because your post implies that you are 14.

    2. Re:If a video freezes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse if you're paying for the megabytes to download it or you have a quota before throttling.

    3. Re:If a video freezes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Considering he has any interest at all in the ZX Spectrum, that gives him a good 10+ to that number.

  3. so passenger ships.. by jasontheking · · Score: 5, Funny

    so passenger ships shouldn't get dodgy video playback equipment, cause people might jump overboard, even if its freezing?

    I guess I should read the article, huh..

    1. Re:so passenger ships.. by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

      Well sure, what did you think really happened on the Titanic?

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    2. Re:so passenger ships.. by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2

      I don't know, I forgot the ending of the movie . . .

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    3. Re:so passenger ships.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's my opinion that the summary was carefully worded to avoid mentioning what they're "jumping ship" from.

      Assuming, of course, it's not about real ships and people jumping off of them.

      My battleship for an editor!

    4. Re:so passenger ships.. by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      I don't know, I forgot the ending of the movie . . .

      Leo DiCraprio Dies! Probably the best performance of his career.

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    5. Re:so passenger ships.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It hit a digital iceberg. But since the bit rate was slow and the codecs were primitive (it was still 1912 after all), the iceberg was all jagged. Due to a couple of lost packets, the bulkheads didn't get assembled completely. Oh and some asshole damaged a router that connected the forward and aft parts of the ship when he was screwing some chick in a car. Naturally, the ship split into two smaller LANs. By then the quality of the streaming Waterworld movie went to shit and people started jumping off the ship to save their sanity (though arguably, this was an impossible task). Kate Winslet got naked at some point, but since she didn't show much, everybody on the ship started searching for their porn elsewhere. This caused the data center to overheat. Wisely, the captain scuttled the ship to provide additional cooling. The End.

    6. Re:so passenger ships.. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      Well sure, what did you think really happened on the Titanic?

      I stopped watching it because the video froze for a few seconds and never saw the end.

    7. Re:so passenger ships.. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, you mean the Titanic was REAL?

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    8. Re:so passenger ships.. by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Sigh, you mean you Haven't downloaded it from TPB to see the ending? //facepalm

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    9. Re:so passenger ships.. by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      What concerned me was the title's implication that the study used as a benchmark the necessary video quality to enjoy snuff clips. I thought these were illegal in most jurisdictions, so getting the data for the report must have been some feat!

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  4. BIG data? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    260,000,000 minutes of watched video is less than 1 day of youtube viewing (500 years per day)

    1. Re:BIG data? by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, good, I'm glad someone already mentioned this. Big did not deserve to be italicized there not only because 260 million minutes of video isn't "that much" (!) in terms of internet streaming viewers, but the statistics aren't really based on number of minutes of video analyzed... the main statistics are more about viewership and certain events (video startup, video freezing), which could be surrounded by hours of uninteresting video time that didn't really contribute to some of the metrics.

      Netflix has, what, 20+ million individual viewers per month? 10 hours a piece isn't hard to imagine. As the parent pointed out youtube is much larger than that.

      It's still very interesting analytics. it's not always the size that matters with "big" data. But let's not get carried away with the italics now people... this way madness lies.

    2. Re:BIG data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      260000000 minutes =
      260000000 / 60 = 4333333 hours =
      4333333 / 24 = 180555 days =
      180555 / 365 = 494 years

      You are right! That is less a lot than 500 years.

       

    3. Re:BIG data? by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

      " But let's not get carried away with the italics now people... this way madness lies."

      It leads to ALL CAPPS!

  5. Users who experience failures when they try to pla by CamD · · Score: 2

    Users who experience failures when they try to play videos are less likely to return to the same website in the future.

    Take note, Slashdot.

  6. Romero Institute by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People don't keep using things that are broken, says latest scientific study from the Romero Institute. Professor Obvious, chair of the Three Kinds of Lies committee, said today that it was a shocking discovery. Many businesses have for years been selling things that are intentionally broken and assuming that people would simply keep buying them despite alternatives being available. Obvious has been nominated for an igNobel prize for his work, and says future studies may even uncover the precise mechanics behind why people continue to not use things that don't work.

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    1. Re:Romero Institute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Professor Obvious, chair of the Three Kinds of Lies committee, said today that it was a shocking discovery.

      Could you find a new hobby besides posting here? The purpose of studies is not just to confirm knowledge or common sense suspicions, but to quantify that knowledge. There is no way in fuck that Professor Obvious knows a priori that an additional 1 second delay will cause 6% of viewers to flee. Professor Brilliant might know this, but that ain't me and it ain't you.

    2. Re:Romero Institute by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

      Look, no one gives a flying fuck about YouTube videos of Fluffy and Buffy if we're talking about cute poodles. Now, if we are talking about two-legged bitches, that's another issue.

      Let's be serious here, we're talking about porn.

      Seriously, it's hard to get hard with choppy video of the "old in-and-out". For the total turn-on, we require high quality video and a nice transfer rate. Seriously.

      I mean, how am I going to get my "freak" on with stilted choppy bad video? I might as well go down to the local "Adult Entertainment Shop" and buy a CD or check into a booth (with complementary kitchen towel roll (COSTCO) and a sticky floor)...

      Come on people, good video and "personal satisfaction" go, er, hand in hand...

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    3. Re:Romero Institute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This study is really a revelation for me, the findings are highly non-obvious. I had thought that people would wait indefinitely for the video to appear, based on the "sunken costs" theory, i.e. I've already invested mm minutes and ss seconds waiting for this to appear and it might appear at any moment. The longer people wait, the greater their sunken investment, while success could still be rewarded momentarily. As for reaction to video freezes, I would've expected that they would heighten the suspense of the content to come so viewers' adrenaline would incline them to watch more video than the control group, not less. And those who experience repeated failures attempting to watch video would probably think, I've just had a run of bad luck at this site, now the law of large numbers is on my side and I should have better than average experiences from now on.

    4. Re:Romero Institute by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      "The purpose of studies is not just to confirm knowledge or common sense suspicions, but to quantify that knowledge. There is no way in fuck that Professor Obvious knows a priori that an additional 1 second delay will cause 6% of viewers to flee. Professor Brilliant might know this, but that ain't me and it ain't you."

      I think the OP's point is that some research is simply not worth the paperwork and grant money. I mean knowing precisely how broken a video can be before people stop watching is interesting, but theire are more interesting, and possibly more important, things out there. Studies like these divert resources from those research projects especially now during hard economic times.

    5. Re:Romero Institute by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Nobody cares about you on fark? Too bad, it is even colder on slashdot.

      Not really. I quite like her style after seeing several handfuls of comments from her, and the comment scores she is getting seem to be agreeing with me. On the other hand someone who seemingly has an axe to grind and is afraid of even posting under his own account....

    6. Re:Romero Institute by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well I think that video streaming sites would be VERY interested in this data. Probably interested enough to at the very least partially fund the research.

      Hmmm, Thinking about it, probably any type of retailer would be interested in data like this. It's a quantifiable amount of time before loss of interest, not just "customers hate waiting".

      Another interesting tidbit from this study, it's probably a bad idea to put an ad at the very beginning of the video ( for ad supported sites ) since most ads are more than two seconds long. This may seem counter intuitive since if you show the ad BEFORE the video you shouldn't have to interrupt the actual video - like hulu does it - and you would think users would prefer getting it out of the way first so as not to be interrupted. Then again that breaks the traditional commercial model that people are used to from television and may take them out of their comfort zones.

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    7. Re:Romero Institute by Maow · · Score: 1

      Professor Obvious, chair of the Three Kinds of Lies committee, said today that it was a shocking discovery.

      Could you find a new hobby besides posting here? The purpose of studies is not just to confirm knowledge or common sense suspicions, but to quantify that knowledge. There is no way in fuck that Professor Obvious knows a priori that an additional 1 second delay will cause 6% of viewers to flee. Professor Brilliant might know this, but that ain't me and it ain't you.

      Give him/her a break; their posts are almost always insightful or entertaining. In this case, you are correct in that the quantification is useful info, however the GP post was entertaining in that it was humorous.

      GirlInTraining, please don't stop posting here.

    8. Re:Romero Institute by tsotha · · Score: 1

      It's probably not worth grant money, but to online content providers and advertisers this is gold.

    9. Re:Romero Institute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I get an ad up front instead of the requested video I "abandon ship" about 87% of the time.
      Not because they are over 2s long, but just out of principle.
      If he ad is 30s long, however, my back button rate is about 96%.

    10. Re:Romero Institute by gnoshi · · Score: 2

      This study is really a revelation for me, the findings are highly non-obvious. I had thought that people would wait indefinitely for the video to appear, based on the "sunken costs" theory, i.e. I've already invested mm minutes and ss seconds waiting for this to appear and it might appear at any moment.

      This actually captures well why people should hesitate before deriding studies which have seemingly obvious outcomes. This study may be on the margins of that - although it is the quantification that is actually interesting about it - but sometimes studies find counterintuitive results. Even better, if a study produces a what may be a counterintuitive result then hindsight bias means people will tend to revise memories so they believe that was the expected outcome all along.

    11. Re:Romero Institute by girlintraining · · Score: 0

      I have no intention of doing so. I do not negotiate with terrorists. :)

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    12. Re:Romero Institute by actiondan · · Score: 1

      >Well I think that video streaming sites would be VERY interested in this data. Probably interested enough to at the very least partially fund the research.

      Since both of the authors of the paper are employed by Akamai, one of the biggest video distribution networks, I think it is likely that they entirely funded the research.

    13. Re:Romero Institute by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I think the OP's point is that some research is simply not worth the paperwork and grant money. I mean knowing precisely how broken a video can be before people stop watching is interesting, but theire are more interesting, and possibly more important, things out there. Studies like these divert resources from those research projects especially now during hard economic times.

      Well, in the OP perfect world where everybody else is lined up with their beliefs and values, perhaps. In the real world, I bet this is where the money is because that is where the people are spending it and therefore judge it interesting and important by voting with their money. Providing people what they want is what will stimulate trade which will help the economy. Planned guesses at what might help the economy are less than optimistic given past histories with such things.

    14. Re:Romero Institute by Altrag · · Score: 1

      What they really should do is play the ad after the video. Sure you'd lose out on the people who close the window partway through the video, but since almost every video site has a "you might also like.." linkbox after the video, they have a perfect place to capture a semi-attentive audience who aren't leaving right away (they're looking around for the next video to view.)

      Of course they'd want some metrics to determine things like the average length of time that a person spends on that page before deciding where to go next -- chances are most ads couldn't be more than about 5s long, which certainly would put some heavy limits on what advertisers could do (and thus video companies could charge.) But having a user watch 4s of a 5s ad is more useful than them watching 2s of a 30s ad and closing it before they even know what the ad is about.

    15. Re:Romero Institute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any account I have is lost (at least two). I have ZERO interest in stringing my musings together for free. The last time I regularly signed in was to be able to save my prefs but I find the new slider bar to be sufficient for my tastes. Signing in is just not worth it and runs contrary to most of internet things I believe in (privacy, no trackin)

      BTW, the axe in question is not against the poster hirself but the standard argument about most studies: "duh I already knew that". Gravity is the subject of thousands of studies and will be for thousands more. This is not necessarily due to any doubts about gravity but the need to rigorously quantify and understand absolutely every fucking aspect with as little uncertainty as possible.

    16. Re:Romero Institute by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Interesting theory, but I suspect its probably worse for non-porn. If the 30s video of Fluffy doing a backflip takes 20s to load or looks like a slideslow, chances are you'll already be searching around for something more entertaining long before Fluffy's feet leave the ground.

      On the other hand if you're in the middle of getting your wank on, you're probably less likely to take a "break" while you hunt around for a site with better video quality and thus more likely to overlook / ignore blips in the video (assuming the blips are short enough.)

      As for going to the local AES well.. there's no shortage of people who'd be too embarrassed to do that. Not to mention that's an even longer interruption if you didn't pre-plan the outing.

  7. Great business plan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) State something even more obvious than "the sky is blue," "water is wet," and "Slashdot polls don't have enough CowboyNeal options" combined.
    2) Back up (1) with equations and graphs with lots of symbols last seen in calculus class.
    3) ???
    4) Profit!

  8. Tell me about it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This describes my YouTube experience every other day or so.

  9. less about quality, and more about functioning by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The metrics mentioned aren't really about video quality, which I tend to think of as things like the resolution, encoding artifacts, sound/video sync, etc. These are more about the video player functioning correctly, at any quality of video: that it starts playing the video soon after the user hits "play", and it doesn't drop out during the middle of playing. That's a kind of video quality, sure, but it's closer to "I stopped watching b/c the damn player didn't work" vs. "I stopped watching b/c the video's quality was too low".

    1. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Definitely - I don't mind low quality video most of the time. Sorry, but people who require high definition are looking at the picture, and not the content.

      Skipping, pausing, buffering, out of sync sound, and flakey sound are the things that bother me. They're nothing to do with video quality as most people understand it.

    2. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      This isn't about quality of the video at all. It's about QOS for video.

      This report is what Comcast uses to determine just how much to throttle Netflix to get the most people to come running back to cable but not run afoul of the FCC.

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    3. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Definitely - I don't mind low quality video most of the time. Sorry, but people who require high definition are looking at the picture, and not the content.

      Skipping, pausing, buffering, out of sync sound, and flakey sound are the things that bother me. They're nothing to do with video quality as most people understand it.

      To each his own I guess. While it's not as important as proper basics, high def is still pretty high on my list.

    4. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have terrible vision myself, so I HATE videos with shitty sound. Two pet peeves of mine are clipping and unnormalized audio.

    5. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To each his own I guess. While it's not as important as proper basics, high def is still pretty high on my list.

      Depends on the content. If it is some cat being silly, 240p might be okay.
      If its a how to video showing some detailed diagrams, computer screen shots with text, etc. then it may still be too blurry or pixelated at even 480p.

    6. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading because you abbreviate random words down to single letters like some kind of illiterate teenage texter.

    7. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by grahamm · · Score: 1

      Granted that it is a lower bit rate, but Spotify seems to manage to reliably deliver audio streaming with almost instant start and no pauses. So maybe the video streaming sites could learn from this.

    8. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Used to be streaming video would load into a buffer even while pauzed. This meant you could grab some snacks or take a leak and after that it would all be ready for viewing with guaranteed no interruptions.

      These days, only the next minute or so is buffered, which gets troublesome if either the server or local bandwidth is lower than the bitrate. Also, rewinding means it has to buffer again. It's 2012 and the situation has actually gotten worse!

    9. Re:less about quality, and more about functioning by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No that's only partly it. I stopped watching Survivor and Big Brother on CBS.com because some asshat there decided to take the video quality choice out of my hands. They put in an auto function to send you the best video that would fit on your bandwidth.

      Which from them (as opposed to YouTube) was shitty.

      I'd rather hit play, then pause, and let the buffer build up and watch high quality in a minute or two than be forced to watch shit quality because some jerkoff decided I wanted to watch shit quality, but NOW NOW NOW.

      So obviously massive toolage is misreading this "2-second" thing and confusing it with raw hatred of forced 30s ads. I can barely stand YouTube's partial ads you can then skip after the first 6s. If 30s usually I hit reload or switch to a different browser window until it's done.

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  10. Five... by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    5) Users bail when the video loads and it's a commercial that can not be skipped.

    Because unwanted, unskippable commercials are exactly like a pause before the video starts equal to the number of seconds the commercial plays. (See (1).)

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    1. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it's worse than a pause because it's extra data you have to download compared to simply waiting for your wanted video's data.

      I skip all videos with ads (and other movie trailers are ads too), no matter how much I wanted to see the video.

    2. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same, but not so much about bandwidth (I have fiber) I just don't want some candy bar, SUV or fabric softener linked in my subconscious with some music or video I enjoy. In the 90s Burger King used Smoke On The Water in a Big Mac ad and I still can't hear that riff without picturing a cheeseburger. Screw ads, man.

    3. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      5) Users bail when the video loads and it's a commercial that can not be skipped.

      Because unwanted, unskippable commercials are exactly like a pause before the video starts equal to the number of seconds the commercial plays. (See (1).)

      In Australia Youtube now interupts your video at a random point and inserts unskippable ads. I have stopped using Youtube for the most part. That's just too annoying.

    4. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Burger King advertising Big Macs?
      What's next? Cats sleeping with dogs?

    5. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who sees commercials before videos anymore? Jeez, I thought everyone ran AdBlock. (And NoScript, and Ghostery, and Flashblock...)

      My connection is fast and only returns to me what I ask of it.

    6. Re:Five... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bad bro, it was The Whopper. All I remember was a big picture of a giant floppy cheeseburger (nothing like the soggy squished things they sell at fast food joints) bouncing around on the screen.

    7. Re:Five... by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Definitely. And worse to watch four videos on a site that have the same unskippable ad at the beginning of each. It's a good time saver as it makes me realize I don't need to consume the content.

    8. Re:Five... by runeghost · · Score: 1

      Hey now, movie trailers are an art form. They're frequently better than the films they advertise. :-)

    9. Re:Five... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      And that works for in-line commercials that are part of the video? I'm not talking those annoying video ads on the side of the frame.

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    10. Re:Five... by smellotron · · Score: 1

      Because unwanted, unskippable commercials are exactly like a pause before the video starts equal to the number of seconds the commercial plays.

      Worse... they're loud with superficial friendliness that says, "my friend, I have a wonderful offer for you..." Ugh, I'd take a throbber any day over pre-video ads.

    11. Re:Five... by Splab · · Score: 2

      What really pisses me off is when it starts playing automatically which a lot of US news sites do.

      Oh and commercials that are longer than the video content. Or commercials for pure US products...

    12. Re:Five... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Or worse than that, "Get your Depends and all of your incontinence products delivered discretely from home! Just go to hdis.com! Nobody has to know!"

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    13. Re:Five... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Or, a 5 second commercial BEFORE the 30 second commercial starts. "Your content will start in a moment." And "your content" is a COMMERCIAL.

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    14. Re:Five... by Simulant · · Score: 1

      This. I will close every video with an unskippable commercial of more than a few seconds.

  11. Payment expectations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what if this was Netflix?

  12. Download? by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    I always make a download of any video I watch, and I watch it during download. Firstly, I don't see anything frozen, except EOF, of course. Secondly, I live in Russia. In Soviet Russia, TV watches YOU! - and I cannot be sure that the video I see today will be available tomorrow. And the last: Both Flash and Virii are NOT available for platform I use, so I have no choice except migration to Windows.

  13. Product placement by tepples · · Score: 1

    I skip all videos with ads

    Are there major-studio feature films without any sort of product placement anymore?

    1. Re:Product placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were there ever any in the past without product placement?

    2. Re:Product placement by tsotha · · Score: 1

      I keep going back and for on product placement. On the one hand, it's advertising, and if they're throwing in scenes because they need to place products the movie or show is likely to end up being kind of crappy.

      On the other hand, our lives are full of commercial logos. If you were to film me right now you'd have a 20 oz Diet Coke in the frame. If Pepsi wanted to pay you to replace it with a Pepsi, presumably the movie wouldn't change one iota. So why not? Movie characters have to drive some kind of car. If the brand isn't central, hell, have the main character drive whatever pays the most.

    3. Re:Product placement by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I skip all videos with ads

      Are there major-studio feature films without any sort of product placement anymore?

      I can endure product placement if it doesn't hold up the film. But a 30 second pause on a can of Pepsi, unless it's *really really* germane to the plot and the director's artistic integrity, is probably not going to fly.

      Incidentally, anyone remember Better Off Ted? They had hilarious commercials for bogus products.

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    4. Re:Product placement by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Were there ever any in the past without product placement?

      Typically dumb AC comment. Movies used to not have ANY brands displayed in them, or if they did it was an accident. DeBeers and the tobacco industry pioneered product placement in movies, because their products are not desirable without clever marketing. (Clear rocks, when there's so many pretty colors? A toxic weed, when there's a healing weed available?)

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    5. Re:Product placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A toxic weed, when there's a healing weed available?

      There's a difference between a healing weed and a pain suppressing/distracting weed. On top of that, raw tobacco isn't anywhere near as toxic as cigarettes (I think I read that the white paper has more carcinogens than the tobacco, but I'm not sure where to cite that).

      I don't smoke either plant, and I understand your outrage at being in the 'loser' camp of the political debate about things to smoke.

    6. Re:Product placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a few points to that where, while it SEEMS like it shouldn't change anything to any degree, it completely sucks you out of being immersed in the movie. Examples:

      1. Anyone using bing on a computer in a movie. Or worse still, when they say "Just bing it". No. NO. Bad movie. Nobody says that. Ever. That is not a 'thing', so stop trying to make it one. Nobody uses bing either. ESPECIALLY because in all cases I've ever seen, it's the obligatory "computer nerd" that's saying this or using it. No computer nerd is EVER going to either use, or advocate the use of bing. Just stop accepting money to product place this, it completely ruins the scene.

      2. Someone using a mac. Yes, there's Mac users out there, I get it. But when EVERY GODDAMN COMPUTER in the movie is a Mac... that's just ludicrous. I'm sorry, Apple doesn't have 99.95% of the total user base. I can see maybe ONE person with a Mac, but the rest of the goddamn computers (especially any in an office) had better fucking be Windows if you want it to be even slightly realistic. Worse still is when they use said Mac for any high-end software (other than photo or video editing) or if it's used by a nerd. I mean sure, you'll get the rare nerd that uses one... but 99% of them will be using Windows or Linux.

      3. As you mentioned, vehicles. This is all fine and good if the main character uses a specific one... but every goddamn car on the road? Or a large percentage even? Or every car that EVERY even remotely main character uses? I'm sorry, I highly doubt that 90% of the people in an office or whatever all happen to use the exact same year (the newest one of course) of Austin Mini or whatever other $60000 vehicle that 95% of the population can't afford.

      4. Smoking. It hasn't been too bad in the past while, but back when big tobacco had its hooks deeper in the movie industry, every single goddamn character (or main character) would be chain smoking. Sorry, this isn't normal. Not even slightly. The fact that I'm a non-smoker probably biases my opinion, but at least TRY to use realistic population percentages of users for things like this. If say... 20% of the population smokes (1 in 5 according to a quick google), then don't have 80% of the main characters (ie: everyone except the obligatory 'goody goody') smoke. And specific to the subject of product placement, not every goddamn person on earth smokes the exact same brand!

      5. Laughing uproarously at something being advertised as "funny" (but generally isn't funny at all in reality), or otherwise overplaying whatever product. Case in point: "I Robot" and Converse sneakers. This was by far the worst product placement usage I've ever seen, ever, without exaggerating. Serious to god, Will Smith must have been bought off with a new goddamn house or something to push them that fucking much.

    7. Re:Product placement by tepples · · Score: 1

      Worse still is when they use said Mac for any high-end software (other than photo or video editing) or if it's used by a nerd. I mean sure, you'll get the rare nerd that uses one... but 99% of them will be using Windows or Linux.

      That completely contradicts what people tell me in replies to my comments about development of applications for iOS. I often claim that it costs $1250 to get started in iOS development, including $650 to buy a Mac mini, the point being that that's a lot cheaper than the cost to start developing for a game console. But I tend to get a lot of replies claiming that it's unfair to include the $650 cost of switching from a PC that came with Windows or Linux to a Mac because developers are expected to already own a Mac as opposed to some other brand of computer.

    8. Re:Product placement by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between a healing weed and a pain suppressing/distracting weed

      There's a difference between reading the studies, and just running your mouth without knowing what you're talking about. You're doing the latter. It has cancer-fighting properties, among other health benefits more tangible than "relieves stress."

      On top of that, raw tobacco isn't anywhere near as toxic as cigarettes

      While that's true, the process of metabolizing nicotine produces free radicals.

      I don't smoke either plant, and I understand your outrage at being in the 'loser' camp of the political debate about things to smoke.

      You do or don't? Anyway, this issue is bigger than things to smoke. The same battle is being fought in basically every arena of modern life. The battle is corporations versus your rights.

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  14. "Big Data" by hsmith · · Score: 1

    The most obnoxious buzz word out there currently.

    1. Re:"Big Data" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally I think "The Cloud" is much more pervasive and obnoxious.

    2. Re:"Big Data" by tsotha · · Score: 1

      This. Definitely. "The Cloud" doesn't even mean anything anymore - it's just a symbol on graphics we give to the higher ups.

  15. Impatience? by Azure+Flash · · Score: 1

    They say it's impatience, but if you're on a broadband connection and you're used to videos starting to play in less than 2 seconds, then when it drags out you just assume something's wrong and you move on, possibly to go back to it later. How is that impatience?

  16. Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by dtjohnson · · Score: 5, Informative

    10. "You don't have Flash 10.7 installed and need to upgrade to Flash 10.7" when you're running Flash 11.x
    9. Embedded ads
    8. 'special' video players (I'm looking at you ABC)
    7. Video freeze during play due to lack of server response
    6. Sound but no video
    5. Video but no sound
    4. Incompatible video formats
    3. Video resolution inappropriate to the method of delivery...either way too high or way too low
    2. Websites that insist on posting useless bandwidth-hogging 'talking head' videos rather than posting a simple photo and a text summary.
    1. Digital Rights Management and all its limitations

    1. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst is when I sit through the ad and then the main video is blank or unavailable for some unexplained reason, the one promised by the caption. This happens more on Yahoo than on other sites.

    2. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by xetovss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You forgot to put this on your list: Videos skip and pause when fully buffered . I am not sure what is the actual cause for it is but something causes it, even on a 2.8GHz Core2Duo w/ 8GB of memory with Win 7 64bit I get that a lot especially with youtube sometimes with others.

    3. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      11. Video content that is purely snippets of text fading in and out with various video editor techniques. I can't count how many videos I've clicked on only to find plain text content. There is something about people these days that makes them want to put everything in a video otherwise "it doesn't feel real".

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    4. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by michaelbuddy · · Score: 1

      Good call outs here. Every local news station has the worst video player mechanism. Rarely does my browser crash but it happens more than half the time I stumble on a local news site video. I try to exit those tabs as soon as I realize because those pages are loaded with shit. Local news sites are the absolute worst players and then they doubledown with 20 other concurrent flash apps playing at the same time. Idiots.

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    5. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      2. Websites that insist on posting useless bandwidth-hogging 'talking head' videos rather than posting a simple photo and a text summary.

      This one is one of my pet peeves: I can't even count the number of times I've wanted to know more about something that could have been explained much more clearly AND in only a few passages of text but the author(s) insisted instead on making a video with a talking head that adds absolutely not a single thing to the topic. What's the point? Video should be actually used for something, but when it's just a head saying the same thing that could've been said in written text it's waste of everyone's time.

    6. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Maow · · Score: 1

      11. Video content that is purely snippets of text fading in and out with various video editor techniques. I can't count how many videos I've clicked on only to find plain text content. There is something about people these days that makes them want to put everything in a video otherwise "it doesn't feel real".

      Damn right, cannot agree more on this.

      I was tethering for my internet connection for a month and had to stay below 5 Gb lest I be throttled. I was searching for info on X and found something promising, but a video.

      Load it up and watch - nothing but video of text with a couple still images embedded. I was quite furious - what's wrong with people that put those together and what kind of idiot is their intended audience?!?

      Grrr.

    7. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      11. It's on Vimeo.

    8. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by adolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had this issue with recent FF builds under Windows. With one simple change, it works as fine now as it did several years ago:

      Tools > Options > Advanced > Use hardware acceleration. Uncheck* this. Press OK. Restart FF.

      Done.

      *: Yes, really.

    9. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Might be a graphics driver issue (Flash video is hardware accelerated on recent hardware). What kind of graphics hardware are you running?

      Never had an issue like that myself on Youtube (other sites, sure, but not Youtube).

    10. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      "To watch this video you must install MS Silverlight".

    11. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      11. News sites that reload the page every 120 seconds, prohibiting one from actually completing the video in one session after reading a bit of text!

    12. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Videos skip and pause when fully buffered

      And video players that reload from the server instead of playing from cache when you've deliberately left a video load completely. And youtube which was broken when they attempted to stream in sections, making youtube-dl a requirement for that site.

    13. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by pokeparadox · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "This content is not available in your region" ... ... ... RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!

    14. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by jjsimp · · Score: 0

      12. Sites that have a flash based video that will not let you advance to a point in the video that you haven't watched already. You try to advance say five minutes in and the video starts over instead.

    15. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by jjsimp · · Score: 0

      CNN's website does that a lot.

    16. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10. "You don't have Flash 10.7 installed and need to upgrade to Flash 10.7" when you're running Flash 11.x
      9. Embedded ads
      8. 'special' video players (I'm looking at you ABC)
      7. Video freeze during play due to lack of server response
      6. Sound but no video
      5. Video but no sound
      4. Incompatible video formats
      3. Video resolution inappropriate to the method of delivery...either way too high or way too low
      2. Websites that insist on posting useless bandwidth-hogging 'talking head' videos rather than posting a simple photo and a text summary.
      1. Digital Rights Management and all its limitations

      0. Online video works on 3" iPhone/7" iPad/13" laptop screens but for some obnoxious reasons are not allowed to be shown using AirPlay on the 55" TV screen.

    17. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      2. Websites that insist on posting useless bandwidth-hogging 'talking head' videos rather than posting a simple photo and a text summary.

      So I see I am not the only one who visits foxnews.com

    18. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Flash video is only hardware accelerated if the webmaster chooses to take advantage of it.

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    19. Re:Top 10 Online Video Complaints... by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      But Youtube is definitely accelerated... and that's whee he's having problems.

  17. Pfft video by megrims · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I bail when the content is a video. Give me back my plain text internet, please.

    Videos are such a waste of time.

    1. Re:Pfft video by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on video being a waste of time. I really enjoyed the Justin Beiber concert in text format. He rocks....or not

    2. Re:Pfft video by michaelbuddy · · Score: 1, Funny

      Agreed, I would much rather read the transcripts to x-rated films than watch them. Way better.

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    3. Re:Pfft video by tsotha · · Score: 1

      If I'm trying to absorb information I agree 100%. My company has heinously begun to release every bit of employee communication in video format, so what used to be just a one minute email scan has become fifteen minutes of watching the CEO tell me stuff. Are there really that many illiterate people out there?

    4. Re:Pfft video by antdude · · Score: 1

      Where is this text format at? :)

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    5. Re:Pfft video by alostpacket · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Pfft video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually unironically agree with this when I'm on news sites. The internet at my work is incredibly slow, and I can't listen to sound there for various reasons, so it annoys the shit out of me when I'm reading an article, see an interesting-looking story in the sidebar, and there's no indication before I click on it that it's a transcriptless video. More often than not it isn't even anything video is necessary for: There's no relevant footage of the actual event, just a talking head and whatever professionals they're consulting as they occasionally flash still images relevant to the story's subject.

      Poor use of any medium is aggravating.

    7. Re:Pfft video by jjsimp · · Score: 0

      Ugh, I forgot about those. Wait until you get the powerpoint slide with embeded video. You have to sit through ten minutes of video, then hit next on the powerpoint slide a few times, and then another ten minute video pops up, more slides, and more video, etc. My last security briefing took about 90 minutes, which would have taken no more than 10 minutes of pure powerpoint slides, or two minutes of wonderful text. I think all of this is do to the majority of people do not want to read anymore.

    8. Re:Pfft video by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Personally, I bail when the content is a video. Give me back my plain text internet, please.

      Videos are such a waste of time.

      Totally. Next time you are in a noisy bar, try reading the TTS feed along the bottom of the TV. You will go slowly mad waiting for it.

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    9. Re:Pfft video by gravis777 · · Score: 1
  18. No shit. by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 1

    I could have told you this without an expensive study - the results are exactly what I would have expected.
    But will management listen to this study or will they continue to live in fantasy land where people actually like their poor service and advertising?

  19. This again by fermion · · Score: 1
    Back in the day most usability people were saying that putting graphics on web pages would mean that the load time would be too slow and people would leave. This was true, to an extent. Web pages that had too much stuff on it were probably abandoned more frequently. And we have been used to faster and faster loads.

    But the reality is that page loads have become slower, not only due to large number of ads, but a non responsive and evidently critically maimed Google Analytics. Yet despite these issues, user still go to web pages and wait.

    So my question is what is really going on here and why do we care. If these video delays are not going to effect advertising, probably no one cares, just like no one cares that google analytics regularly cause web pages to hang. And a site is not advertising, then what is the issue if a random user bails.

    Speed and reliability is a part of the design compromise. Certainly those who want to sell bandwidth and speed are going to say that those are most important, but they really aren't.

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    1. Re:This again by bmo · · Score: 2

      You write this as if Google Analytics is the only ad service out there.

      Google Analytics is pretty responsive. Very responsive if you compare to a lot of other ad services.

      Another thing that has bogged down browsers over the years is the sheer amount of JS that dwarfs the amount of HTML on a web page, leading to an arms race to see who wins - the web page devs or the browser JS engine devs. The engine devs lose most of the time, and when the rare occasion happens that there is a breakthrough in JS speed, web devs tack on even more crap, because they can. Add to this the ridiculous amount of JS that ad services and trackers throw in, and you have a fucking nightmare of inefficiency. Adblock is the only real way to combat this for now.

      But this has nothing to do with video playback once the stream is started. Once the ads are loaded or blocked locally, the video itself should play and the server should keep the buffer full for the player, which often times fails. QOS for video is atrocious from the viewer's POV. While it's amazing that Youtube is able to stream as many videos as it does without completely imploding, this does not matter to the viewer. What matters to the viewer is that the video starts playing, and then a minute or so into it, the buffer goes away, because the video server forgot all about the stream and "will get back to it in a bit." Then the viewer bails unless it's really compelling and he hits pause and waits for the buffer to fill again, or the viewer(a very small percentage of the total) uses a downloader to save the file locally and later viewing, which I do sometimes (I do this for videos on wimp.com).

      From the viewer's POV, video on the Internet sucks for the most part. It's not good enough for non-casual watching and is unlikely to be so for quite some time unless infrastructure becomes better.

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    2. Re:This again by adolf · · Score: 1

      From the viewer's POV, video on the Internet sucks for the most part. It's not good enough for non-casual watching and is unlikely to be so for quite some time unless infrastructure becomes better.

      Works fine for me with Netflix on a PS3, 360, or Wii (in order of preference and quality). On the PC, it's a mixed bag, but at least the other three are consistent.

      Netflix's ~6Mbps streams can look pretty stunning on my calibrated 52" LCD, and it degrades gracefully instead of freezing if something else decides it wants to chomp massive amounts of bandwidth instead. (IIRC, this is patented, which may explain a lot of the "suck" that tends to plague Internet video.)

  20. And yet ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... PornHub seems to keep going.

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  21. derp by michaelbuddy · · Score: 1

    People abandon videos that don't play, big surprise. This has nothing to do with poor video quality. Experience tells users that if it's going to lag at the beginning it's probably going to lag the way through. Seems lke more short attention span than demanding quality expectations. It's surfing useless entertainment. These users aren't trying to watch something that their life depends on. Laggy video is not entertaining, so you switch it off. This isn't much of a scientific study. Anyone who publishes their video on a stats based player, such as brightcove are used to these abandonment stats.

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  22. Just press pause by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Simply press pause and wait for the video to load. That's how I watch all my videos.
    Streaming simply does not work. It's not a bandwidth issue, it's that the flash-based video players involved are crap and can't do buffer management or seeking properly.

    1. Re:Just press pause by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      The problem is more fundamental.

      The internet is fundamentally a best effort statistically switched packet network. No delivery guarantees. No particular order of delivery.

      Video uses temporal compression and requires timely delivery for a stable reconstruction of the video. Drop a master frame and all hell breaks loose. At a low level this is incompatible with the design of the internet.

      Throw in the fact that people are conditioned to a highly reliable delivery system (cable TV) with dedicated bandwidth and you are simply going to find that they are not going to tolerate the performance profile you are going to get trying to cram a high bandwidth stream down a statistically switched pipe.

    2. Re:Just press pause by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      In my experience it tends to be less a failing of the design and infrastructure of the Internet as a whole and more a failing of whoever is hosting the content (bogged-down server(s) or lack of bandwidth on their end).

      There are always exceptions, of course, I know a few people who insist on using "wireless broadband" even when they have access to FTTH/FTTP services simply because they chose the wireless service a year or two ago and they keep telling themselves it's "good enough" (while waiting 30-90 seconds for Youtube videos to buffer enough to start playing) much in the same way that they feel their TV reception is "good enough" when the signal doesn't drop out too often on days with good weather (and it's pretty much unwatchable on rainy or snowy days). These people are the exception though, they're the ones who just won't admit that their setup is broken for whatever reason (a lot of times the Swedish word "dumsnålhet" would seem to be fitting, it translates to something like "cheap/stingy to the point of stupidity", it's when you've got a $1500 gaming PC and you won't spend another $3 per month on broadband because it's "too much money" or you've got a $2000 3D TV and you can't be bothered replacing the antenna cable because a new one costs $10).

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    3. Re:Just press pause by scotts13 · · Score: 1

      (GRIN) I remember telling customers at the dawn of the (generally available) internet age, that standard TCP/IP was inherently unsuitable for time-dependent video (or audio!) content. They didn't believe me... "But it works! And it's cheeeper!"

  23. Re:Users who experience failures when they try to by wooferhound · · Score: 1

    I have never seen a video on slashdot cause they don't play
    but I came back

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  24. Beer by ebonum · · Score: 1

    In other news, researchers have found that when people take a sip of beer and it tastes like sh*t, they drink less.

    Humans. Always stating the obvious.

  25. This just in by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Users who know that making something of good quality is possible are not going to accept worse quality at the same price.

    I am absolutely shocked at this revelation.

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  26. Re:Fuck this shit by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

    Reddit's too PC what with its high population of liberal college kiddies. Sounds more like either a glory-days former /b/tard or a 9gagger.

  27. Reading the stats wrong by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

    They're not accounting for the 10 times a day I bail on a page because I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEIR STUPID VIDEO AT ALL.

  28. shopping for presents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch a lot of videos when I'm "shopping for presents," and I have to agree with the findings of this study.
    But the again, I usually never watch the entire video anyway, and I never actually buy anything either. Odd.

  29. Some videos won't cache properly by bogjobber · · Score: 1

    I really hate video services that won't let me pause the video and download slowly. My home internet is a rather unreliable wifi signal, and if I want to watch something while it's being finicky I like to pause it for a while and let the video player catch up. Certain video services (I'm looking at you Comedy Central) only download a small amount of the video in advance and it stutters so badly that I just close it and go do something else.

    I don't really understand the reasoning behind that decision either. I'll still watch the stinking ads, just let me download it in peace!

    1. Re:Some videos won't cache properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably to prevent people from downloading (as in, not in their player) it easily, I kid you not.

  30. We want TV but not TV. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So in short, We want TV Quality Video.

    Not so much news. If the video is choppy or looks bad, we tend to not want to watch it.

    There is the people who called Color TV a fad. However its success was in the fact that the Color TV didn't come with a bunch of disadvantages, It was better to have color vs. Black and White. Now with Internet Video. There are advantages to it. However Lag and Quality are major disadvantages. And will not catch on unless both are resolved.

    In many cases in both Lag and Quality have improved with advancements in network speed combined with better quality data compression, However still the load times means we need to invest into watching something vs. the old flipping through channels, to see what is on and if it catches you attention.

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    1. Re:We want TV but not TV. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However Lag and Quality are major disadvantages.

      Keep in mind, though, that those are only faults of the service providers who decided to sell us on video streaming. I also subscribe to a lot of video podcasts, many of which are in full HD. There are no lag or quality issues, simply because the delivery method chosen wasn't some unnecessarily-just-in-time bullshit. The Hulu and Netflix of the world are in complete control of their interaction with their clients, especially when it relates to items that are being queued up to play at a later time.

  31. Buffered video watching by jjsimp · · Score: 0

    I would rather pause the video until the whole video is buffered than have a choppy video with a crappy resolution. However, some sites in their infinite wisdom will only buffer the first five seconds or not let you buffer at all. If they give me an option to download the video for later viewing that would be the ideal solution. Embed your crappy ads and I wouldn't care, because I will be able to watch the video I wanted in the first place in all it's glory.

  32. Too late by scotts13 · · Score: 1

    Been there done that. I now actively avoid video content on the internet. For instance, if I'm on Google news or some such, some of the news links lead to video content. Back when I clicked them, 80% - 90% of the time I'd have to watch an ad, or dismiss a banner at the bottom, or have another unrelated window automatically open. OR, the video would require some obscure codec, would freeze or fail to load, or the link would be dead - whatever. Maybe a tenth of the time I'd actually get the news story I wanted, as I expected.

    Now, it's text stories for me, exclusively. If I accidentally click a video link, I close it as soon as ANY of the above begins.

  33. I love the Power Glove. It's so bad. by tepples · · Score: 1

    I can endure product placement if it doesn't hold up the film.

    Consider the film The Wizard (1989). Does the non-stop display of Nintendo products in that film "hold up the film"?

    1. Re:I love the Power Glove. It's so bad. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      That film is proof that even dirt eating Americans have a limit in terms of what they will tolerate.

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    2. Re:I love the Power Glove. It's so bad. by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I can endure product placement if it doesn't hold up the film.

      Consider the film The Wizard (1989). Does the non-stop display of Nintendo products in that film "hold up the film"?

      Dunno. Never saw it, never plan to.

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  34. That also fixes linux issues by Artemis3 · · Score: 1

    Notably the "blue people syndrome". Incidentally, it also allows the playback of 10bit content, if you manage to find a site serving those.

    In any case, Adobe is at fault for the lousy "hardware" support.

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  35. Akamai Technologies says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Akamai Technologies who sells services to speed up your video streaming funds a study that shows speeding up your video delivery will bring in more repeat customers. Imagine that.

    I skimmed through the PDF to see what it had but I'm sure there was just as a lot of data NOT included in report as well.