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Critic Cites Revenge of the Sith As "Generation's Greatest Work of Art

eldavojohn writes "Art critic and University Professor of Humanities and Media Studies at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia Camille Paglia has written a book that not only claims George Lucas is the 'World's Greatest Living Artist' but also that 'Revenge of the Sith' is our generation's greatest work of art. That's right: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollock and ... George Lucas. If you thought you understood art but you hated Episode III, it might be difficult to understand how her book 'Glittering Images: A Journey Through Art from Egypt to Star Wars' ends with 'Revenge of the Sith.' There is a possibility that the art world remembers this generation by examining that movie."

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  1. Wow by longbot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I thought my opinion of art critics couldn't get any lower.

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    1. Re:Wow by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jar jar is just misunderstood; he isn't a redundant and annoying racial stereotype. He's really a heart-wrenching commentary on contemporary sociatal angst, portrayed through counter-cultural metaphorical symbolism.

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/451/

    3. Re:Wow by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 2

      2 scenes actually (and a deleted 3rd). Not much of a role, though.

    4. Re:Wow by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not an art critic, at least, no more one than I am. It's Camille Paglia, a media talking head who at one point was pulled into every cable TV show whenever they wanted a "controversial" opinion. Used to be largely centered around feminism. Think Andrea Huffington or Al Sharpton.

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    5. Re:Wow by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jar jar is just misunderstood; he isn't a redundant and annoying racial stereotype. He's really a heart-wrenching commentary on contemporary sociatal angst, portrayed through counter-cultural metaphorical symbolism.

      Messa agree. Messa represent moi moi post-modernist angst.

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    6. Re:Wow by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I never understood why Naboo chose a clearly retarded representative. Oh, wait. I guess Star Wars is more realistic than I realized.

    7. Re:Wow by ragefan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because it was safer for the rest of Naboo to have him off the planet.

    8. Re:Wow by supercrisp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Paglia is not an art critic and wouldn't like to be called one. The, which is basically an extended troll aimed at the art world, attacks art critics in particular for creating an elitist, decadent art scene. (It's so easy to go Godwin on her claim that I'll leave it to someone else.)

    9. Re:Wow by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2

      Anakin is Darth Vader.

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  2. How much is Disney paying her? by schwit1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That or she's into some nasty nose candy.

    1. Re:How much is Disney paying her? by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or maybe she's just saying all the other art of this generation is complete garbage that's even worse than Revenge of the Sith.

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    2. Re:How much is Disney paying her? by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Informative
      From reading part of TFA (I don't know why I bothered) that seems to be the case:

      Yes, the long finale of Revenge of the Sith has more inherent artistic value, emotional power, and global impact than anything by the artists you name. It's because the art world has flat-lined and become an echo chamber of received opinion and toxic over-praise. It's like the emperor's new clothes—people are too intimidated to admit what they secretly think or what they might think with their blinders off.

      Interestingly, she says other arts, videogames specifically, are doing much better. So it's probably more a hyperbole to shock the art world into, I don't know, getting better, than something she actually thinks is true.

    3. Re:How much is Disney paying her? by tehcyder · · Score: 2
      She's doing the intellectual equivalent of the would-be trendy dad who grows a goatee and listens to Justin Bieber in the belief that he's staying in touch with the young generation.

      Incidentally, it's perfectly fucking obvious why videogames are doing much better artistically: it's because the previous generation's masterpieces were things like Tetris and Pacman, which are fun games but with limited artistic depth.

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    4. Re:How much is Disney paying her? by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always thought ET for the Atari 2600 was art, because I really didn't get it.

  3. No. by Sasayaki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, I get it. Art is subjective. Sometimes someone's "best movie ever" is another's pukeorama. I know this.

    But, no.

    Just no.

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    1. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      What story? There were just a bunch of walking cardboard cutouts and CG clones.

    2. Re:No. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe she defines "our generation" as "people who were 5 when the movie came out, and still think like 5-year-olds".

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    3. Re:No. by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree completely. The red-brownish turd was by far the best of all three turds.

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    4. Re:No. by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, no.

      Just no.

      I think you mean :

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    5. Re:No. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, this was suppose to be the big emotional moment. When I saw this I just started laughing at it

      Besides I never really had a feeling from the move from the Light side of the Jedi to the Dark Side of the sith.

      Emperor: I am the Sith Lord, Join Me.
      Skywalker: OK, let me kill Samuel Jackson, then a bunch of helpless kids to show that I really crossed into the dark side.

        If it were artistic you would have had a series of moral quest where you slowly cross the line.

      Heck War Craft 3 had a better story arch of turning the good guy to the bad guy.

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    6. Re:No. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      That's because they cut out the scene where the emperor describes the 401K plan and stock options.

  4. Ha Ha by ebcdic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot trolled by feminist academic.

    1. Re:Ha Ha by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I was thinking, brings to mind a quote I don't quite remember the exact details of, talking about shooting a gun to see who jumps.

      So much of our mass media these days are just professional trolls who just take a contracdictory opinion to feed their bank account from the attention: Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, countless pundits, etcera. The whole 2012 election coverage was a farce to make it seem like there was an actual photofinish race vs a marathon where one guy was lagging a mile behind. Or CopperCab on Youtube.

      I don't understand why people fall for the tactic again and again. So the worst is the lady may actually believe this, does anyone take the argument seriously? No, then move on and don't give her attentions/book sales/whatever either way.

    2. Re:Ha Ha by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      Like we're giving her any attention. This. Is. SLASHDOT! She's just a reminder of an excuse (RotS) for us to vent our collective rage/smartassery. We won't remember her in twenty minutes, except as a tiny extra layer of righteous indignation should we accidentally encounter RotS again.

  5. What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    1. Re:What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should have seen the rough draft. It was a steaming pile of sith.

    2. Re:What?! by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

      Some random text to avoid Slashdot's "Lameness filter". I wish you all a good day and may a horde of beautiful vaginas find their way to your crotch in the nearest future.

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  6. Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's the problem, none of them really "our generation".

  7. Nonsense ! by alexhs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nonsense ! YouTube Charts tells me that Psy, Justin Bieber and Jennifer Lopez are the greatest artists !

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  8. Critics need an opinion by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If art critics and movie critics would just blindly follow the popular opinions, there would not be much point in having them around.
    We can check what's in the IMDB Top 250 without needing their help.

    Same with Picasso... I'd much rather look at a peaceful picture of mountains than his morbid creations. It takes a critic to like it.

    1. Re:Critics need an opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If art critics and movie critics would just blindly follow the popular opinions, there would not be much point in having them around.
      We can check what's in the IMDB Top 250 without needing their help.

      Same with Picasso... I'd much rather look at a peaceful picture of mountains than his morbid creations. It takes a critic to like it.

      No, not really. Your own statement shows that his art is better because it evokes a stronger emotion within you than all the landscapes which you can't remember specifically. "Better" doesn't always mean that you find more enjoyment or happiness in it.

    2. Re:Critics need an opinion by bsane · · Score: 2

      Better doesn't mean 'evokes a stronger emotion' either...

      Its all subject.

    3. Re:Critics need an opinion by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Same with Picasso... I'd much rather look at a peaceful picture of mountains than his morbid creations. It takes a critic to like it.

      No, it doesn't. Art isn't just "hello clouds, hello sky".

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  9. What a load. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any so-called art critic and professor who wants to put George Lucas next to William Shakespeare needs to just drive off a cliff.

    Yeah, the Star Wars universe is pretty awesome, but it's hardly a cultural masterpiece that stands alongside works of art hanging in the Louvre.

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    1. Re:What a load. by znanue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      George Lucas blows Shakespeare out of the water in a couple of ways. He engages the imagination in a way that Shakespeare just doesn't. Imaginative panoramas, gadgets, events, forces to the universe, and all that is the cluttered sci-fi visuals of his movies. He doesn't have Shakespeare's wit, nor his ability to tell a tale of someone else's sound and fury in a way that makes it personal, etc. But, now I think we're comparing one type of artist to another. People are comparing Lucas to writers and to painters, which is a shame. I wouldn't even compare him to most other directors, because his achievement, and it is one, is not related to most of that.

      Another comment suggested that only 5 year olds and those that think like them would appreciate Lucas. Are we not supposed to retain a childlike portion of our identity growing up into adulthood? Isn't there a reason for this? Shakespeare most often pleases the adult in me, but very few have engaged the child in me and its sense of wonder in any close to the degree of Lucas, and I do not think it was an easy feat.

      Lucas is a phenomenal artist, but not in the way that we laud most artists. And, not in some obscure academic way either. He created an intriguing universe where I want to spin my own stories.

      Z

    2. Re:What a load. by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Imaginative panoramas, gadgets, events, forces to the universe, and all that is the cluttered sci-fi visuals of his movies.

      90% of SF works involve all of that, and there are plenty SF artists who can write good stories with those elements. Lucas' work is just not that great; it's just entertaining. Which isn't bad, mind you; it's just not great art.

  10. Re:"art critic says" by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

    From History of the World, Part I:
    "Even in most primitive man, the need to create was part of his nature. This need, this talent clearly separated early man from animals, who would never know this gift. And here, in a cave about 2 million years ago, the first artist was born. [a drawing of a buffalo is shown, and a proud artist] And, of course, with the birth of the artist, came the inevitable afterbirth... the critic. [the critic urinates on the drawing]"

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  11. Re:5 words on the subject by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Jar Jar Binks, The?

  12. Free publicity by Allicorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Entire Star Wars section added solely to gain publicity for the rest of the work.

    Mission accomplished.

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  13. Re:How do I troll? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Srsly, how do I troll?

    You post a long, superficially well reasoned argument that she's right.

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  14. Copies by ebonum · · Score: 2

    Actually, you can know how good a work of art is in objective terms. Just look at how many people copy it. Take a painting from 1700's. The ones that were most heavily copied in their day were the most influential. The ones that were still being copied in the 1800's could be seen as great art.

    How many people have copied ''Revenge of the Sith'. I know I saw it, but I don't even remember it. During Halloween you still see kids copying the first three movies. The 1977-1983 movies.

    1. Re:Copies by dalias · · Score: 2

      Depends on whether you count BitTorrent...

    2. Re:Copies by ledow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My definition of how "arty" something is, to counteract all the shite that I see pushed as art, is thus:

      "The amount of skill needed to reproduce the piece given the same time, materials and techniques."

      So a square of splatty paint on a bit of canvas that the artist pondered over for a decade isn't very arty at all. 5-year-olds could copy it. Michaelangelo's David? That's a serious piece of art that's incredibly difficult to make. Sure, you could mould it or 3D print it or laser-scan it and then even CNC it, but it would take an artist (a proper one!) to make it using only the same methods / materials as it was originally produced with.

      Similarly, splatting a bit of moondust or graphite sheets on a canvas and calling it art is stretching it because GIVEN those materials, the arrangement of them isn't anything fabulous. They *can* be highly-skilled art, but there the art is in the skill, not the materials, and the higher-skill, the harder to reproduce given those materials, no matter how rare they are.

      This (to me) helpfully eradicates all of the shite that pretends to be art (especially the "interpretive" art where you're supposed to appreciate the message more than the delivery - pretty much everything since Picasso) while keeping all the classics, the masters and the geniuses firmly in their age-old deserved places.

      By that definition, given a budget as large as the movie had, given the computer technology and everything else that was there, how hard would it be to generate something like that movie (or so similar as to be indistinguishable)? I don't think it would be as tricky as George Lucas would like to make out. Maybe *I* couldn't do it, but certainly any director of merit probably could pull it off quite easily.

      The best artists I see today are putting work online for free, scrabbling for space on street corners, and selling things that must take them FOREVER to make for a few pounds on etsy or from their back yard or similar.

      The best artist I've seen lately was some old guy I found living in a house in the Highlands (a turning in Erogie, near Inverness, Scotland, marked as "Art Gallery" on a scrap of paper by the side of the road, you can't miss it - there are about four houses in the town, and after you've driven 2 miles following those signs off-road through fields, over bridges, past farms, etc. and there's NOTHING else but those signs until you end up in front of his ramshackle house with a yappy little dog excited to see ANYONE, that's the guy!), who sells some beautiful "classic" paintings of things like stags and deer for a pittance out of his back bedroom.

      Out of the thousands of "galleries" around that area, his was the only one that wasn't mass-produced, didn't have 10,000 prints of an actual nice painting (being the only thing really worth the money in most places, in my opinion), and had things that you actually had to whistle in disbelief when you saw the skill and time that had gone into it.

      I can't believe people will spend an hour in some posh art gallery down the road, spending thousands while looking at the millionth print of a photograph someone took of the local scenery (it's really NOT that hard to take a photograph of nice scenery in that area, and then print it out) and the crudely Photoshopped to remove the huge electricity pylons that were in it, rather than go look at the old guy at work (hell, just his conversation is worth the price of the paintings).

      It's not how many people copy it, it's not how long it took you to make, it's not what name it has on the bottom, it's not even how much it cost. It's how hard it would be to reproduce using the same material, techniques and time as the original creator did.

      And by that definition, the "first" episode of the Star Wars trilogy (chronologically) is probably more arty than all the newer prequels put together. But where they come on the same scale as everything else is probably floating around the same rating as The Blair Witch Project.

  15. unconsidered candidate by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I submit Shigeru Miyamoto as the greatest living artist. His creations are at least as iconic and influential.

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    1. Re:unconsidered candidate by Megane · · Score: 2

      And how about Miyazaki? (Hmm, are we seeing a trend here?)

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  16. And the worst art critic award goes to... by mschaffer · · Score: 2

    And the worst art critic of our generation award goes to...Camille Paglia. Honorable mention goes to Media Studies at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia for hiring this tool. Even Jar Jar Binks was quoted as saying, "Meesa thinks she's a nutcase."
    This is the same idiot that describes herself as a "dissident feminist" (whatever that is). Perhaps she is also a dissident art critic. Let's call a duck a duck. She's a heretic.

    1. Re:And the worst art critic award goes to... by fredrated · · Score: 2

      Well put, I would add that she is a moron as well, BUTshe did get a posting on slashdot and that's worth less than you might think.

  17. Is this the 90s!? She's been trolling for years. by Methodkiller · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paglia has been trolling the feminist establishment for for years. Now she has broadened her trolling to sell more books. It's boring and this post is troll bait.

  18. Amen! by Weezul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jar jar is the character that defined a generation of Americans, not my generation mind you, but a generation. I suppose that Bella defines the current youth.

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    1. Re:Amen! by Endo13 · · Score: 2

      Yeah that movie with Charlize Theron could have been really good if they had picked a live human to play the part of Snow White.

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    2. Re:Amen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Charlize Theron's salary was too big.

      They had to find the cheapest substitute they could. Luckily the LA county morgue was open, and she was the one with the fewest track marks.

  19. Well, THAT was unexpected... by Millennium · · Score: 5, Informative

    I never expected to agree with TFA. I mean, come on; if Revenge of the Sith is truly the greatest work of art produced in the last thirty years, then the artistic state of humanity has fallen far indeed. But then I went and read the thing, only to find that the critic is pretty much saying exactly this: that it is the greatest work of art produced in the last thirty years, because the artistic state of humanity has fallen so far.

    1. Re:Well, THAT was unexpected... by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      well I can certainly agree the artistic state of the world has fallen terribly, and continues to plummet. But are they saying revenge of the sith is the peak of the last 30 years? The best done since 1982 to the present? I would agree, when you factor in most of the rest of the crap that comes out, revenge of the sith isn't that bad, it is more average.

  20. Re:5 words on the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    No one who speaks german could possibly be evil!

  21. Actually.... by ThosLives · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be fair, there are a couple really good scenes in Revenge of the Sith. As a whole the movie is indeed pretty lacking, but if the whole movie had more scenes like the following, it could have been something truly grand:

    The best is the scene (sans dialog!) where (eh, am I really going to spoiler this?) there is one character looking across the city toward where another character is doing something atrocious. That is a brilliant scene, where there is actually a glimpse of emotion, conveyed not by dialog or effects, but simple imagery and the score.

    It's too bad, really, that the rest of the movie is so full of cliche and noise.

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    1. Re:Actually.... by wallbase · · Score: 2

      Can someone elaborate slightly? It's obvious which character is doing something atrocious (Jar Jar, clearly), but it's still hard to remember the movie. I've got Blu-Ray rips of the films for some insane reason - a timestamp would help.

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  22. Re:"art critic says" by fatphil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He comes out with some nonsense, but I quite like - and agree with - a lot of what Sewell says. A lot of people in the art world are so puffed up and do need puncturing, I don't see why Brian should have less right to do that than anyone else. I don't think the accusations of hypocrisy are fair - for example he's not just an art critic, he's an artist himself, and when asked why he didn't have any exhibitions he said something like "why would anyone want to see what I've done?". He probably wishes other artists had the same respect for others.

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  23. Re:Pulp Fiction by invid · · Score: 2

    Yes. (I would site examples of the derivative nature of other great artist's works (Shakespeare, da Vinci), but I have to get back to work.)

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  24. Five qualities of great art by kdataman · · Score: 2

    Here are what I consider the 5 qualities of great art:

            Powerful – It has an affect on your mind and emotions and is compelling.
            Accessible – The affect it has on you is worth the effort you put into appreciating it.
            Elevating - When it moves you, it moves you toward personal growth.
            Universal – It can move people from different cultures and different time periods.
            Perennial - It has the same power the second and third time you experience it.

    This link explains it in more detail:
    http://www.kensken.com/archives/52

  25. I agree by fuzznutz · · Score: 3, Informative

    My ex and I used to argue over this point constantly. She was a "fine arts" major. What you and I call art, she claimed we confused with craftmanship. If it "evoked a feeling or response", it was art in her book.

    Some of the junk she thought was art, created a "feeling" in me. I "felt" it was crap.

  26. Re: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollo by Mitchell314 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely they can't be talking about our gen-gen-generation?

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  27. LMFAO by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 2

    Need publicity much?

  28. Re: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    George Lucas isn't "my generation" - he's my dad's generation. Might actually explain the awkward sense of humour..

  29. Paglia's a crank by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't tar "art critics" with the brush you use on Camille Paglia. I've been ignoring her as a bit of a sociological nutcase since the 1990s. She styles herself as kind of feminist libertarian, but as Gloria Steinem put it, "Her calling herself a feminist is sort of like a Nazi saying they're not anti-Semitic."

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    1. Re:Paglia's a crank by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Someone (don't remember who and too lazy to look it up) in the 90's called her "Ayn Rand on 'shrooms." Funny, but "irrelevant hawker of gibberish for the shock value" might also be applicable.

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  30. Re: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollo by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the older farts among us, Akira Kurosawa and Stanley Kubrick are still relevant. Both of them WAY greater artists than George Lucas.

    Even if you strictly limit the comparison to living artists, I'd rate Ridley Scott a bit higher. Sure he made some weak films too, but his better ones beat Star Wars IMHO.

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  31. Re: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollo by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your generation is just fine. The generation before you is annoyed by you, you'll be annoyed by the generation after you, and so it goes. Change becomes more difficult to accommodate with age, I can honestly report.

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  32. George Lucas obviously greater - in impact by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Akira Kurosawa and Stanley Kubrick are still relevant. Both of them WAY greater artists than George Lucas.

    Nope. You are thinking of the word "greater" in terms of quality, which is a pointless metric when talking about art because quality is entirely subjective.

    In terms of impact on humanity, there's no question that Lucas has had far greater impact than Kubrick and Kurosawa combined. The reason is simple, it's because Lucas is getting to viewers at a much younger age, with a more widely distributed product. Lucas has altered the lives of more people than Kubrick ever will.

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    1. Re:George Lucas obviously greater - in impact by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In terms of impact on humanity, there's no question that Lucas has had far greater impact than Kubrick and Kurosawa combined.

      By that metric, the greatest artist of all time was Adolf Hitler.

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  33. Re:Is this the 90s!? She's been trolling for years by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 2

    The brilliant and hilarious political writer Molly Ivins wrote the ultimate takedown of Camille Paglia's absurd intellectual methods (20 years ago!). Archive.org has a PDF of the original article from Mother Jones magazine.

    If you plan to read it, ignore the rest of this comment, but if you're not going to follow the link, here's the final paragraph of the article:

    There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree that politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity. Nowadays, when a woman behaves in hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, "Poor dear, it's probably PMS." Whereas, if a man behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, "What an asshole." Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia, Sheesh, what an asshole.

  34. Re: Titian, Bernini, Monet, Picasso, Jackson Pollo by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
    Well, for goodness sakes...

    Let's first see if this 'expert' is getting US tax dollars from the endowment for the Arts...and cut her funding immediately, and retroactively....

    :)

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  35. Re:Not so by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hitler got into politics because his art was rejected. At least near the end he saw his reign in terms of art - namely, a classic tragedy. The culture of Nazi Germany was largely based on artistic choices and has ever since been an inexhaustible well for other artists. In fact, the very Star Wars itself draws a major source of inspiration from there, from the very concept of an evil empire worshipping the Dark Side to the aesthetics of space battles.

    Hitler had a far greater effect on the art world than Lucas could ever even dream of. And with the generation that actually went through World War II, you just know he's on his way to become this.

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  36. Seagull logic 101 by epine · · Score: 2

    The reason is simple, it's because Lucas is getting to viewers at a much younger age, with a more widely distributed product.

    So the calibration pinnacle on your scale of cultural importance is Dr Seuss, Bugs Bunny, Walt Disney, and Norman Rockwell? I'm pretty sure that Kubrick and Kurosawa were important influences on both Spielberg and Lucas. By your metric, it's surprising we remember Newton at all.

    I've grown to hate just about any idea with an immediacy transform embedded inside, because its so much a tool of the newly wealthy to forget that they ever stood on the shoulders of giants whatsoever. In the immortal words of Finding Nemo: "Mine." Seagull logic 101.

    Lucas chose a curious path to illustrate the foreboding nature dark side of the force: by making the next five movies. When we were slow to catch on, he added Jar Jar. No wonder artists drink.