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Android Options Mean "Best" Browsers Might Surprise You

An anonymous reader writes with this quote from Tom's Hardware: "Due to Apple's anti-3rd-party browser stance, and Windows RT's IE-only advantage on the 'Desktop,' Android is the only mobile platform where browser competition is thriving. The results are pretty surprising, with the long-time mobile browsers like Dolphin, Maxthon, Sleipnir, and the stock Android browser coming out ahead of desktop favorites like Firefox, Opera, and even Chrome. Dolphin, thanks to its new Jetpack HTML5 engine, soars ahead of the competition."

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  1. Hey, Apple has browser competition! by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are plenty of other Safari skins available!

    But seriously, these walled gardens make me long for the 90's, when you could sanction a company for even *including* their own browser with an OS, much less outright forbidding other browsers from being installed.

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    1. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by telchine · · Score: 5, Informative

      But seriously, these walled gardens make me long for the 90's, when you could sanction a company [wikipedia.org] for even *including* their own browser with an OS,

      The reasons those sanctions came about was because Microsoft had a near monopoly on the operating system market. None of the companies in the mobile space have a monopoly.

    2. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, in 1998 Apple, Amiga and BeOS all included their own browsers with their OS's.

      And I'm the fucking idiot.

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    3. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Informative

      It depends on what you mean by monopoly. IANAL, so I don't know the legal definition. But I would argue that Apple's approach to deciding the market on its devices is anti-competitive behavior.

      It's not just that browsers must wrap Safari. It's that they must use a crippled version of UIWebView, one that is much slower than Safari's Nitro engine. The result is that web pages take almost exactly double the time to load in other browsers.

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    4. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by TheViciousOverWind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People keep spouting this like it's gospel, and it might be legally correct, but that doesn't make it any less crappy for the consumers. Apple is on the way to be a more evil version of Microsoft when it was worst, and I think the world would be a better place if they were forced to be slightly more open.

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    5. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Opera Mini (not to be confused with Opera Mobile, their actual browser) is called a "remote document viewer" or something because it goes through Opera's servers, which handle rendering, compression, etc. So at any time, Opera Mini only ever connects to Opera's servers as opposed to a web browser which will connect directly to the web host. It's a technicality only from the user's viewpoint... under the hood, they work fairly differently.

    6. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by CritterNYC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure if trolling or clueless. On the off chance you are clueless, Apple doesn't permit competing browsers in their app store. They sneakily did this by banning all interpreted code (for 'security reasons'). That means no JavaScript. And a browser is mostly useless on the modern internet without JavaScript. So, the only thing you can do with a browser on iOS is to wrap Safari in a skin. But, surprise, Apple screws you there, too, because they give you a slower engine in that mode. So, every single browser on iOS is just a Safari skin and they all run slower than Safari. Hurray for Apple's walled garden. There is one exception in the app store, and that's Opera Mini. To get around this rule, Opera has a server farm in the cloud rendering pages and JavaScript and sending the results down to the Opera Mini clients. It's inefficient and doesn't work as well as a native browser, but it's the only way to "compete" with Apple. Oh yeah, and the whole Opera Mini client is designed for dumb phones that lack the power to run a real browser.

    7. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the world would be a better place if [Apple] were forced to be slightly more open.

      The question is "who is going to force them?" In this case (browser choice on smartphones), I think that market forces can do that just fine. There are enough choices available right now. That said, I can certainly see where Apple could be considered guilty of tying in this case since an argument could be made that the browser is a distinct program and that this is harming competition and innovation.

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    8. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're Apple's devices

      Then I guess I had better give the one I've got back.

    9. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are Apple's devices?
      I thought they sold them to people, not leased them. Am I mistaken?

    10. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A monopoly is not illegal. If you abuse a monopoly, thats when it becomes a legal matter. Microsoft threatened vendors when they wanted to put other browsers on their OEM builds and that's what made it illegal. just bundling your own browser is not illegal. Threatening to kill a vendors access to the market dominant OS if they put a competitors browser on is definitely illegal.

      Apple is not a monopoly, they are not doing anything illegal, and they can put whatever browser they choose on their devices. I agree with the parent. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and obviously many don't since Android is the dominant OS, no?

      The market health seems fine to me.

    11. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by micheas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the US you can go to jail for jailbreaking an iPad (you are allowed to jailbreak an iPhone however) Wouldn't exactly call that a viable option.

    12. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by micheas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the US:

      • Rooting your cell phone is legal.
      • Rooting a tablet is punishable by jail time.

      This is as per the US copyright offices current interpretation of the DMCA.

      Just a heads up for those of us in the US.

    13. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by GoogleShill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the best citation you can get: http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm

      There were TONS of things they did to violate antitrust laws with regards to IE, including coercing ISPs to make their websites IE-only by including ActiveX components on the front page and using FrontPage extensions which would create non-standards-compliant HTML and only render correctly on IE.

  2. Re:Just proving the point by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The rest of us demand more control, more chaos, and more competition.

    No, the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap. Not because they care about being able to root the phone, install alternative browsers, or wanting "chaos". The XDA-like crowd is a pretty niche minority.

  3. Interesting, but not that useful by ProbablyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While some of the results are interesting, I don't think this is a particularly good comparison. For a lot of the tests they said "This doesn't work on this browser, so we didn't include that test". Surely that should be a win for the browsers that DO support it, rather than just ignoring that feature. Personally, I'd care more that a browser can render more things, rather than if it can render some things a few seconds faster, but fail at others.

    Not to mention, it completely ignores things like features, reliability, usability, security, etc, which are very varied between the different browsers. That's what I base my choice on anyway, and many that I've tried either crash, fail to load some pages, render pages incorrectly, or lack important features. Personally I find Firefox works best for me, but results would probably vary with different phones/OS versions, and some features are more important than others for different people

    But hey, everyone loves benchmark numbers

  4. Re:Just proving the point by jkrise · · Score: 4, Informative

    the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap. You mean low cost, not cheap. Android phones can do everything an iPhone or Windows Phone does, at a lower cost. So it is not cheap, it is a more valuable option for the customer. And the reason for that is because the underlying platform is more 'open' and less tightly controlled by a bunch of perverted sadists and corporate trolls.

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  5. Firefox & ABP+ by Luthair · · Score: 5, Informative

    In my usage I've generally found Firefox with ABP installed to be much faster than Browser & Chrome. Its amazing how much snappier sites are on arm processors when they don't load ads, and as an added bonus accidental clicks are eliminated.

  6. Re:Just proving the point by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The XDA-like crowd is a pretty niche minority.

    But the people who want a choice of screen sizes, durability, features, looks and yes, even cost are a real majority. The price and popularity of Samsung's Galaxy models should tell you that the "cheap Android" slur is just FUD.

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  7. Re:Huehuehuehue by ProbablyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mercury, and essentially every browser on iOS, is just a different UI on top of Safari. Obviously this allows for extra features, but limits how much can be done with them. Apple enforces this rule, and doesn't allow browsers which use a different rendering engine. Android doesn't have this limitation, which allows for a much larger variety of browsers, and much bigger gaps in performance. The same site did a similar test with iOS browsers, and the performance results were very similar, which isn't exactly surprising since they all use the same back end.

  8. Re:Apple HAS browser competition! by CritterNYC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry, that's not Chrome. It's Safari with a Chrome skin, just like all the other "browsers" in the app store. And, like all Safari skinned browsers, it uses the purposely slower Safari rendering mode so that mobile Safari looks better. There is one exception in the app store, and that's Opera Mini. To get around this rule, Opera has a server farm in the cloud rendering pages and JavaScript and sending the results down to the Opera Mini clients. It's inefficient and doesn't work as well as a native browser, but it's the only way to "compete" with Apple. Oh yeah, and the whole Opera Mini client is designed for dumb phones that lack the power to run a real browser.

  9. Wow, stock browser wins over FF/Chrome? Strange. by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and the stock Android browser coming out ahead of desktop favorites...

    You mean, people are picking the stock browser over mobile versions of Firefox or Google Chrome? Wow. What could possibly be the meaning of this? Let's deconstruct it and find the real truth in all this...

    Oh, here it is. It's a combination of No one cares and the mobile versions suck!

    Firefox and Chrome may be competitive browsers in the PC realm, but in their transition to mobile platforms, they're bringing over all that bloat and feature creep and trying to cram it all into a small screen. My Android smartphone has acceptable (but not ideal) battery life when I use the mobile browser for quick things here and there, but when I've tried to use mobile FF/Chrome apps it drops like a rock. I suppose if you sit there tethered into the wall jack you'd be fine, but at that point, why not just whip out your laptop?

  10. Re:Just proving the point by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the people who want a choice of screen sizes, durability, features, looks and yes, even cost are a real majority.

    No, the real majority just care about costs. I know this because I know people who work at the stores selling these phones. The people zoom in on what is the cheapest looking phone that looks the coolest. That's about it. They couldn't care about the resolutions, the CPUs cores, the amount of memory, etc.

    The price and popularity of Samsung's Galaxy models should tell you that the "cheap Android" slur is just FUD.

    And worldwide, those phones represent around 5% of all Android phones. If you look at the Android phones being sold in China, Africa, etc. they are not phones like the Galaxy models. They are basically phones that are just steps up from feature phones.

  11. Re:Power, memory and bandwidth consumption matter by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it is for your own good, since you are too stupid to make your own decisions?

    What if I don't care about battery life? What if I really need a webpage to load correctly and not in a way safari does it?

    If they want to set the defaults that is fine, but to prevent me from doing at all unless I use their one true way is why I will never buy and iOS device.

  12. Re:Huehuehuehue by R_Dorothy · · Score: 4, Informative

    All third party iOS browsers are a skin over the same system level WebView compontent which is a less performant version of the stock Safari Webkit. Even Firefox on iOS is using Webkit. There's a good explanation here: http://www.mobilexweb.com/blog/axis-opera-mini-alternative-browsers-iphone-ipad

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