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Android Options Mean "Best" Browsers Might Surprise You

An anonymous reader writes with this quote from Tom's Hardware: "Due to Apple's anti-3rd-party browser stance, and Windows RT's IE-only advantage on the 'Desktop,' Android is the only mobile platform where browser competition is thriving. The results are pretty surprising, with the long-time mobile browsers like Dolphin, Maxthon, Sleipnir, and the stock Android browser coming out ahead of desktop favorites like Firefox, Opera, and even Chrome. Dolphin, thanks to its new Jetpack HTML5 engine, soars ahead of the competition."

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  1. Hey, Apple has browser competition! by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are plenty of other Safari skins available!

    But seriously, these walled gardens make me long for the 90's, when you could sanction a company for even *including* their own browser with an OS, much less outright forbidding other browsers from being installed.

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    1. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by telchine · · Score: 5, Informative

      But seriously, these walled gardens make me long for the 90's, when you could sanction a company [wikipedia.org] for even *including* their own browser with an OS,

      The reasons those sanctions came about was because Microsoft had a near monopoly on the operating system market. None of the companies in the mobile space have a monopoly.

    2. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, in 1998 Apple, Amiga and BeOS all included their own browsers with their OS's.

      And I'm the fucking idiot.

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    3. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Informative

      It depends on what you mean by monopoly. IANAL, so I don't know the legal definition. But I would argue that Apple's approach to deciding the market on its devices is anti-competitive behavior.

      It's not just that browsers must wrap Safari. It's that they must use a crippled version of UIWebView, one that is much slower than Safari's Nitro engine. The result is that web pages take almost exactly double the time to load in other browsers.

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    4. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by crazyjj · · Score: 2

      There are more browsers in Apple's iOS App Store than there are grains of sand on all the worlds beaches

      All just webkit skins, except for Opera I think (which uses some kind of weird server-side rendering to bypass the walled garden).

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    5. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by TheViciousOverWind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People keep spouting this like it's gospel, and it might be legally correct, but that doesn't make it any less crappy for the consumers. Apple is on the way to be a more evil version of Microsoft when it was worst, and I think the world would be a better place if they were forced to be slightly more open.

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    6. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Opera Mini (not to be confused with Opera Mobile, their actual browser) is called a "remote document viewer" or something because it goes through Opera's servers, which handle rendering, compression, etc. So at any time, Opera Mini only ever connects to Opera's servers as opposed to a web browser which will connect directly to the web host. It's a technicality only from the user's viewpoint... under the hood, they work fairly differently.

    7. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by CritterNYC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure if trolling or clueless. On the off chance you are clueless, Apple doesn't permit competing browsers in their app store. They sneakily did this by banning all interpreted code (for 'security reasons'). That means no JavaScript. And a browser is mostly useless on the modern internet without JavaScript. So, the only thing you can do with a browser on iOS is to wrap Safari in a skin. But, surprise, Apple screws you there, too, because they give you a slower engine in that mode. So, every single browser on iOS is just a Safari skin and they all run slower than Safari. Hurray for Apple's walled garden. There is one exception in the app store, and that's Opera Mini. To get around this rule, Opera has a server farm in the cloud rendering pages and JavaScript and sending the results down to the Opera Mini clients. It's inefficient and doesn't work as well as a native browser, but it's the only way to "compete" with Apple. Oh yeah, and the whole Opera Mini client is designed for dumb phones that lack the power to run a real browser.

    8. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the world would be a better place if [Apple] were forced to be slightly more open.

      The question is "who is going to force them?" In this case (browser choice on smartphones), I think that market forces can do that just fine. There are enough choices available right now. That said, I can certainly see where Apple could be considered guilty of tying in this case since an argument could be made that the browser is a distinct program and that this is harming competition and innovation.

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    9. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by pauljlucas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple's approach to deciding the market on its devices is anti-competitive behavior.

      They're Apple's devices and should be allowed to do whatever they want with them. Don't like it? Don't buy one.

      The difference with Microsoft is that they had a monopoly on virtually all other manufacturers' hardware since (at the time) they made no hardware of their own. Now that they make Surface, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. The market will decide its fate.

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    10. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're Apple's devices

      Then I guess I had better give the one I've got back.

    11. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are Apple's devices?
      I thought they sold them to people, not leased them. Am I mistaken?

    12. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A monopoly is not illegal. If you abuse a monopoly, thats when it becomes a legal matter. Microsoft threatened vendors when they wanted to put other browsers on their OEM builds and that's what made it illegal. just bundling your own browser is not illegal. Threatening to kill a vendors access to the market dominant OS if they put a competitors browser on is definitely illegal.

      Apple is not a monopoly, they are not doing anything illegal, and they can put whatever browser they choose on their devices. I agree with the parent. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and obviously many don't since Android is the dominant OS, no?

      The market health seems fine to me.

    13. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by bhagwad · · Score: 2

      Apple just doesn't have to offer a competing browser in the app store.

      Then let them allow regular users to install software from third party sources please.

    14. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Lucky75 · · Score: 2

      On a mostly unrelated point, you can do most anything you like to your iphone, including putting a different browser on it. Apple just doesn't have to offer a competing browser in the app store.

      This is incorrect. You can't do that unless Apple allowed sideloading (or you root your device, which Apple doesn't "allow").

      And one could use the same argument to say that you can do anything you like on your computer, including putting a different operating system on it. Msft just doesn't have to offer a competing operating system in the stores.

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    15. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Isn't that part of what "jailbreaking" is all about? Deciding that you're going to do what Apple and/or your telco permit you to do? Don't ask them - TELL them what you're going to do.

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    16. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by Bogtha · · Score: 2

      it might be legally correct, but that doesn't make it any less crappy for the consumers

      It does, and that's the point. If you don't like the way iOS does things, you can switch to another platform without too much difficulty. When Microsoft got done for bundling Internet Explorer, switching to another platform meant things like your online banking failing to work because they'd coded it specifically for Internet Explorer. They were slowly turning the web from a cross-platform system to a Microsoft-controlled one, and that's bad for everybody even if (especially if) you weren't their customer.

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    17. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by bodangly · · Score: 2

      They all are using Safari's engine.

    18. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by DJRumpy · · Score: 2

      I suppose it could be viewed either way. The end result is the same. OEM's were prohibited from removing IE and putting any other alternative browsers under threat of losing their Windows distribution licenses for Windows 95. They didn't threaten OEM's with removal until Windows 98, when they then claimed it was integrated and couldn't be removed.

      [Complaint: U.S. v. Microsoft Corp.] (source: http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm)

      18. Second, Microsoft unlawfully required PC manufacturers, as a condition of obtaining licenses for the Windows 95 operating system, to agree to license, preinstall, and distribute Internet Explorer on every Windows PC such manufacturers shipped. By virtue of the monopoly position Windows enjoys, it was a commercial necessity for OEMs to preinstall Windows 95 -- and, as a result of Microsoft's illegal tie-in, Internet Explorer -- on virtually all of the PCs they sold. Microsoft thereby unlawfully tied its Internet Explorer software to the Windows 95 version of its monopoly operating system and unlawfully leveraged its operating system monopoly to require PC manufacturers to license and distribute Internet Explorer on every PC those OEMs shipped with Windows.

      20. Microsoft designed Windows 98 so that removal of Internet Explorer by OEMs or end users is operationally more difficult than it was in Windows 95. Although it is nevertheless technically feasible and practicable to remove Microsoft's Internet browser software from Windows 98 and to substitute other Internet browser software, OEMs are prevented from doing so by Microsoft's contractual tie-in.

    19. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by micheas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the US you can go to jail for jailbreaking an iPad (you are allowed to jailbreak an iPhone however) Wouldn't exactly call that a viable option.

    20. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by micheas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the US:

      • Rooting your cell phone is legal.
      • Rooting a tablet is punishable by jail time.

      This is as per the US copyright offices current interpretation of the DMCA.

      Just a heads up for those of us in the US.

    21. Re:Hey, Apple has browser competition! by GoogleShill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the best citation you can get: http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm

      There were TONS of things they did to violate antitrust laws with regards to IE, including coercing ISPs to make their websites IE-only by including ActiveX components on the front page and using FrontPage extensions which would create non-standards-compliant HTML and only render correctly on IE.

  2. If Apple ever got a higher marketshare... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 2

    ...they would get smacked around for the same anti-competition behaviour which hurt Microsoft during the XP days, forcing them to change this "One browser" approach (and maybe for other apps as well). In a sense, they are lucky their rather unusual philosophy - where instead of designing products to meet the demand, you shape the demand yourself - hit the wall before they became a monopoly.

  3. Re:Just proving the point by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The rest of us demand more control, more chaos, and more competition.

    No, the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap. Not because they care about being able to root the phone, install alternative browsers, or wanting "chaos". The XDA-like crowd is a pretty niche minority.

  4. Interesting, but not that useful by ProbablyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While some of the results are interesting, I don't think this is a particularly good comparison. For a lot of the tests they said "This doesn't work on this browser, so we didn't include that test". Surely that should be a win for the browsers that DO support it, rather than just ignoring that feature. Personally, I'd care more that a browser can render more things, rather than if it can render some things a few seconds faster, but fail at others.

    Not to mention, it completely ignores things like features, reliability, usability, security, etc, which are very varied between the different browsers. That's what I base my choice on anyway, and many that I've tried either crash, fail to load some pages, render pages incorrectly, or lack important features. Personally I find Firefox works best for me, but results would probably vary with different phones/OS versions, and some features are more important than others for different people

    But hey, everyone loves benchmark numbers

    1. Re:Interesting, but not that useful by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, in my Opinion all the Browsers suck, at least on Gingerbread. The stock browser had this funny behaviour where you'd have to "force close" every day or it would refuse to load pages. I used Dolphin for a while but it just stopped working one day, and hasn't worked since, even with uninstalling and reinstalling it. Firefox worked well, but was very slow and sucked down my battery pretty fast. Chrome only runs on ICS and above. I've settled on Opera, because it seems to be the most stable, but many sites (facebook included) don't render the same way they do on the stock browser, not sure it it doesn't support advanced features or if the devs just don't care. I don't used the Facebook App on my phone because that thing is an abomination. I like my Android phone in general, but the browsing experience is probably my biggest complaint.

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  5. Re:Just proving the point by jkrise · · Score: 4, Informative

    the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap. You mean low cost, not cheap. Android phones can do everything an iPhone or Windows Phone does, at a lower cost. So it is not cheap, it is a more valuable option for the customer. And the reason for that is because the underlying platform is more 'open' and less tightly controlled by a bunch of perverted sadists and corporate trolls.

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  6. Firefox & ABP+ by Luthair · · Score: 5, Informative

    In my usage I've generally found Firefox with ABP installed to be much faster than Browser & Chrome. Its amazing how much snappier sites are on arm processors when they don't load ads, and as an added bonus accidental clicks are eliminated.

  7. Re:Apple HAS browser competition! by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 2

    Don't be an appletard either. Firefox was not developed because EVERY WEB BROWSER ON iDEVICES MUST USE THE WEBKIT ENGINE. Even Chrome - which means what you get as "Chrome" on iDevice is basically a webkit with a different look'n'feel. Basically: a skin.

  8. Re:Just proving the point by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The XDA-like crowd is a pretty niche minority.

    But the people who want a choice of screen sizes, durability, features, looks and yes, even cost are a real majority. The price and popularity of Samsung's Galaxy models should tell you that the "cheap Android" slur is just FUD.

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  9. Re:Huehuehuehue by ProbablyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mercury, and essentially every browser on iOS, is just a different UI on top of Safari. Obviously this allows for extra features, but limits how much can be done with them. Apple enforces this rule, and doesn't allow browsers which use a different rendering engine. Android doesn't have this limitation, which allows for a much larger variety of browsers, and much bigger gaps in performance. The same site did a similar test with iOS browsers, and the performance results were very similar, which isn't exactly surprising since they all use the same back end.

  10. Dolphin is a fantastic browser... by lord_mike · · Score: 2

    ..except that it's a major battery hog. Most of the third party browsers for Android are, with the notable exception of Chrome (which has gotten worse,lately) and Opera Mini (Opera Mobile still hogs battery big time). Even the "stock" browser that shipped pre-Jelly Bean sucked battery power, too. Battery drain is an important consideration in a mobile browser. Also, on this list, only Firefox mobile supports Flash at the moment. All the others either explicitly don't support external plugins or refuse to allow their use on JellyBean OS's.

  11. Re:No other Ipad browser? by robmv · · Score: 2

    Calling all iOS browsers different browsers is like calling all applications using the Internet Explorer engine different browsers. All iOS browsers are just a skin of the Apple embedded browser engine. If Apple does not enable WebGL for example on their browser, no other browser on iOS will have WebGL, simple as that, no ohter engine is allowed

  12. Re:Apple HAS browser competition! by CritterNYC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry, that's not Chrome. It's Safari with a Chrome skin, just like all the other "browsers" in the app store. And, like all Safari skinned browsers, it uses the purposely slower Safari rendering mode so that mobile Safari looks better. There is one exception in the app store, and that's Opera Mini. To get around this rule, Opera has a server farm in the cloud rendering pages and JavaScript and sending the results down to the Opera Mini clients. It's inefficient and doesn't work as well as a native browser, but it's the only way to "compete" with Apple. Oh yeah, and the whole Opera Mini client is designed for dumb phones that lack the power to run a real browser.

  13. Wow, stock browser wins over FF/Chrome? Strange. by Revotron · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and the stock Android browser coming out ahead of desktop favorites...

    You mean, people are picking the stock browser over mobile versions of Firefox or Google Chrome? Wow. What could possibly be the meaning of this? Let's deconstruct it and find the real truth in all this...

    Oh, here it is. It's a combination of No one cares and the mobile versions suck!

    Firefox and Chrome may be competitive browsers in the PC realm, but in their transition to mobile platforms, they're bringing over all that bloat and feature creep and trying to cram it all into a small screen. My Android smartphone has acceptable (but not ideal) battery life when I use the mobile browser for quick things here and there, but when I've tried to use mobile FF/Chrome apps it drops like a rock. I suppose if you sit there tethered into the wall jack you'd be fine, but at that point, why not just whip out your laptop?

  14. Re:Just proving the point by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the people who want a choice of screen sizes, durability, features, looks and yes, even cost are a real majority.

    No, the real majority just care about costs. I know this because I know people who work at the stores selling these phones. The people zoom in on what is the cheapest looking phone that looks the coolest. That's about it. They couldn't care about the resolutions, the CPUs cores, the amount of memory, etc.

    The price and popularity of Samsung's Galaxy models should tell you that the "cheap Android" slur is just FUD.

    And worldwide, those phones represent around 5% of all Android phones. If you look at the Android phones being sold in China, Africa, etc. they are not phones like the Galaxy models. They are basically phones that are just steps up from feature phones.

  15. Re:Power, memory and bandwidth consumption matter by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it is for your own good, since you are too stupid to make your own decisions?

    What if I don't care about battery life? What if I really need a webpage to load correctly and not in a way safari does it?

    If they want to set the defaults that is fine, but to prevent me from doing at all unless I use their one true way is why I will never buy and iOS device.

  16. Re:Just proving the point by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Because clearly Apple or MS would never do that. I could not even keep a straight face while saying that.

    If you are concerned you do know you can get android build from outside google right?

  17. Re:Huehuehuehue by R_Dorothy · · Score: 4, Informative

    All third party iOS browsers are a skin over the same system level WebView compontent which is a less performant version of the stock Safari Webkit. Even Firefox on iOS is using Webkit. There's a good explanation here: http://www.mobilexweb.com/blog/axis-opera-mini-alternative-browsers-iphone-ipad

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  18. Re:Just proving the point by Emetophobe · · Score: 2

    If you look at the Android phones being sold in China, Africa, etc. they are not phones like the Galaxy models. They are basically phones that are just steps up from feature phones.

    China actually has some pretty nice android phones that are on par with the iPhone 5 or the Galaxy S3.

    The Xiaomi M2 has a 1.5GHz quad core, 2GB ram, 720p screen, and it runs MIUI 4.1 (Android 4.1 with a custom chinese rom). It costs $310, which is less than half the price of an iPhone 5 (and it has better specs than the iPhone). The Xiaomi M2 is basically on par with the newly released Nexus 4, but it costs $50 less.

    There's also the Oppo Find 5 which will have a 1.5Ghz quad core, 2GB ram, 16 or 32GB storage, 1920x1080 resolution (1080p screen!), 2500mAh battery, and it runs Android 4.1. It might also be the thinnest smartphone to date.

    They have cheaper phones too, like the Beidou Little Pepper which is only $156, and it has a 1.3Ghz quad core, 1GB ram, 5MP camera, 800x480 screen, and runs Android 4.0. There's also the older dual core variant for only $110.

  19. Re:Apple HAS browser competition! by pavon · · Score: 2

    No he's right. On the desktop Safari and Chrome both use heavily modified versions of webkit for rendering, and they use completely different javascript engines. On iOS Chrome is forced to use the exact same webkit as Safari and a crappy interpreted javascript engine, rather than V8 (it's own JIT engine) or even Nitro (Safari's JIT engine). Chrome is prevented from changing anything that matters for the browser so it really is just a skin of UIWebView.

  20. Re:I tried the Nexus 7 by aitan · · Score: 2

    I use Firefox daily on my Nexus 7 and I think that I haven't ever seen it crash.

    When the Jelly Bean 4.2 was released Firefox was one of the apps that required an upgrade, but even then I didn't had a problem because I use the beta so by the time that Google sent the OTA to my tablet Firefox was already updated.

  21. Re:Huehuehuehue by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

    "Literally"? I'd pay money to see that happening.

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