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"Jedi" Religion Most Popular Alternative Faith In England

Census numbers show that 176,632 people in England and Wales ask themselves, "What would Yoda do?" Although the number of people who list their religion as "Jedi" has dropped by more than 50% in the past 10 years, It remains the most popular "alternative" faith in England. From the article: "The new figures reveal that the lightsabre-wielding disciples are only behind Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism and Buddhism in the popularity stakes, excluding non-religious people and people who did not answer."

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  1. Survey with "Jedi" option available by Artea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless of your actual faith, why wouldn't you choose this option?

    1. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by narcc · · Score: 5, Funny

      emacs? Really? Why not just go full-tween and call yourself a wiccan?

      vi will still be here when you've out-grown that phase.

      We'll be praying for you.

    2. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who has been at least nominally Wiccan for the past 30 years, I suspect your only exposure to Wiccans has been the teenage angst-filled dressed like a goth crowd. There are others out there who don't fill the stereotype who are otherwise normal people. We blend in.

      Just sayin'

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    3. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Patch86 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There was a write-in option ("other, please specify"), and this was the most popular write-in.

      Far more interesting to me is that Christianity declined to less than 60% of the population, while No Religion almost doubled to get around 25%. That's a massive attitude shift for a 10 year period. Really brings into question why we have a state religion- although I suspect the figures will have to sink even lower before we can use census data as an excuse to separate church and state.

    4. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Informative

      because

      Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
      Through passion, I gain strength.
      Through strength, I gain power.
      Through power, I gain victory.
      Through victory, my chains are broken.
      The Force shall free me.

      The sith should not need to hide in the shadows pretending to be jedi any longer.

    5. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because getting rid of the state religion, and the state relationship with the church of england would be problematic. It's not that it can't or won't be done, but there's quite a lot of legal effort involved in the powers of parliament vs the sovereign vs the church as an independent entity.

      In some respects it's the same reason why none of the countries have actually settled the legal inheritance issue of if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have a daughter and then a son (just a daughter, or multiple daughters doesn't require any rewrite), because it's not that we can't sort this out. But it's a lot of legal paperwork that can be deferred 50 or 60 years if they never have a son after a daughter.

    6. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by mr_jrt · · Score: 2

      Because getting rid of the state religion, and the state relationship with the church of england would be problematic. It's not that it can't or won't be done, but there's quite a lot of legal effort involved in the powers of parliament vs the sovereign vs the church as an independent entity.

      In some respects it's the same reason why none of the countries have actually settled the legal inheritance issue of if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have a daughter and then a son (just a daughter, or multiple daughters doesn't require any rewrite), because it's not that we can't sort this out. But it's a lot of legal paperwork that can be deferred 50 or 60 years if they never have a son after a daughter.

      I was under the impression that they sorted this out very recently: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20600543

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    7. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Not to mention who don't like to fuck with those irritating poll takers? I had a friend that every time was asked about religion on what of those stupid things would put down "The Church Of The SubGenius" and I have switched back and forth between the FSM and since George Carlin passed I list "The Great Electron" because of that bit he did on religion.

      So who wouldn't think it was funny to list themselves as Jedi if that were an option? After all this IS the same country that gave birth to The Ministry of Silly Walks.

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    8. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      Census also showed there were : 56,620 Paganists, 39,061 Spiritualists, 2,418 Scientologists and 20,288 Jainists ...and 4 million who did not put any religion ....

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    9. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it is an entirely fictional belief system.

      So
      Like all the other belief systems then.

    10. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Thiez · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The census is supposed to be an accurate snapshot of the state of Britain, if people lie on it, they should be prosecuted.

      For what crime? Governments have no business demanding to know a persons religion, and people have no obligation to report their religion to their government. Besides, the 'jedi' option is counted as 'no religion' by the ONS, which is probably accurate in the vast majority of cases, so the statistics are not meaningfully affected.

      > You cannot be a Jedi as it is an entirely fictional belief system.

      As opposed to other religions? Let's not go there (but if you do, please start with scientology).

    11. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by rich_hudds · · Score: 2

      We drink a lot more than Americans.

      A lot of people would have had a few drinks before they got around to filling in the census form.

    12. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your comment implies that you think you've set some kind of clever rhetorical trap. I'm mildly curious what the punchline is, so...

      A-theist: Not religious.
      A-gnostic: Lacking knowledge of god(s).

      Okay, trap sprung, ow m' leg. Now what?

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    13. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Duds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because census results are aggregated and by putting ANY region you're increasing government funding for pro-religion programs.

      You might think it's a joke but you're basically voting for your taxes to be used for brainwashing kids.

    14. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      An atheist is a not(theist); someone who not(believes in deities). The person may or may not be religious, but atheism itself is not a religion, since it contains no belief system.

      Agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of deities is unknown and/or unknowable. The person may or may not be atheist and/or religious.

    15. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and 4 million who did not put any religion ....

      Thank God for that!

      Wait. Well, you know what I mean..

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    16. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2

      Really brings into question why we have a state religion

      To crown sovereigns and to decide on royal divorces without interference from a foreign power. This is really the only reason. I don't see England getting rid of state religion without getting rid of the monarchy. However, in practice, UK is a secular state. The state religion is not forced to anyone, it is more a mere folklore than a real endorsement by all the government officials.

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    17. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by fremsley471 · · Score: 2

      Folklore is an exemplary way of looking at it. Also, the bishops in the Lords are usually left-wing intellectuals, rather than taking the role of conservative demagogues. We therefore don't really care/notice them.

    18. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by coofercat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I put myself down as Jedi in the 2000 census. However, I won't do it again, because the pesky Government looks at the stats and says "X% of people in the UK are religious, so we can open more faith schools". The fact that those faith schools cater for a minority of the total population is neither here nor there, they do it anyway.

      I'll put "Jedi" on trivial things (ie. not many), but not on the census anymore.

    19. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Oh; but without the lovely patina of legitimacy that age lends to even the most childish iron-age bullshit...

    20. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Are they allowed to open any flavor of 'faith school' that they want, based on the overall number of non-atheists? Shouldn't an uptick in Jedi require them to open more Jedi Academies, rather than more of some other denomination's preferred facility?

    21. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by JohnSearle · · Score: 2

      As a Jedi, I prefer the term "thank Disney."

      Seriously, though... does Disney own the copyright to this "religion," then? Can you actually copyright a religion, or is it protected in some manner?

    22. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by Golddess · · Score: 2

      Can you actually copyright a religion

      Sure, just look at scientology.

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    23. Re:Survey with "Jedi" option available by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Atheism IS the belief system there is not god. Otherwise you would be agnostic.

      False dilemma: one can be both.

  2. Although amusing by pkthunders · · Score: 4, Funny

    I see nothing wrong with this. Now, if they get control of the republican Senate, then there might be a problem...

    1. Re:Although amusing by r33per · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if they get control of the republican Senate, then there might be a problem...

      Thank heavens we're still a constitutional monarchy!

  3. Anerisian Heresy! by m.shenhav · · Score: 2

    All Hail Discordia!

  4. Re:So it's the number one "Made Up" religion by agm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, the number one "made up" religion is Christianity.

  5. Re:Soooo... by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, and even then, they dropped by 50%.

    It's me, or the redaction looks quite Monty Python-esque?

    -The most popular religion is Jedi cult.
    -Hummm... no; Christianity is.
    -Well, the Jedi cult is the most popular after Christianity.
    -Hummm... no; Islam is.
    -Well, the Jedi cult is the most popular after Christianity and Islam.
    -Hummm... no; Hinduism is.
    -Well, the Jedi cult is the most popular after Christianity and Islam and Sikhism.
    -Hummm... no; Judaism is.
    -Well, the Jedi cult is the most popular after Christianity and Islam and Sikhism and Judaism.
    -Hummm... no; Buddhism is.
    -Well, the Jedi cult is the most popular after Christianity and Islam and Sikhism and Judaism and Buddhism.
    -Hummm... yes.
    -A-HA!

  6. Re:I for one by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Giant?! Heretic! True believers only believe in the FLYING Spaghetti Monster!

    We must engage in battle, for I will not let this blasphemy stand!

  7. Re:I for one by similar_name · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's nonsense. It's the flying spaghetti monster. You heathen.

  8. Re:I for one by gagol · · Score: 3, Funny

    who said I was talking about pastafarian religion, cannot I have my own silly thing? Spaghetti cannot fly, but it can be made giant!

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  9. Re:I for one by stms · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why can't we just agree that the universe is ruled by some kind of pasta and coexist peacefully.

  10. Re:I for one by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who invited the Unitarian?

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  11. Re:I for one by drkim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why can't we just agree that the universe is ruled by some kind of pasta and coexist peacefully.

    ...because, silly twit, the purpose of religion is to start violent arguments and wars.

    Anyone violently disagree? Good! You are a true believer...

  12. Pfff... by ikaruga · · Score: 2

    I rather pray for Jesus Christ Second Impact.
    Evangelion NERV Church in India

  13. Re:Good opportunity by gagol · · Score: 2

    That is probably the main reason for the decline in Jedi followers.

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  14. Well by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mass murderers, child molesters and republicans also blend in.

    Just sayin'

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Well by davester666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why list republicans? They are just a subset of the first two groups...

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    2. Re:Well by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2

      The US Republican Party is not a right wing party anymore. They have been effectively hijacked by nut jobs, extremists, and the whining classes. Which is too bad. The US could use a sane conservative political party.

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  15. Re:I for one by Woek · · Score: 2

    Made my day..
    Where are modpoints when you need them?

  16. Jedi is just a renamed Christianity Clone - by DontScotty · · Score: 3, Funny

    Virgin birth: Check

    Holy Ghosts: Check

    Passover: Many people Pass Over re-watching Ep 1 due to Jar Jar Binks: Check

  17. All religions are "made-up" by krigat · · Score: 2

    All religions are "made up". Only difference is, with modern religions we still know that they were created by humans, whereas "old" religions seem to be "just there", so for most people it's easier to believe these religions were not man-made.

  18. "Alternative" to what? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

    One of those "real" religions, all of which are 100% factually based on the words of an invisible sky giant?

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    1. Re:"Alternative" to what? by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      Historians have a strong consensus that Jesus of Nazareth, Mohammed, and Gautama Buddha were real, historical people, and it's on their words major religions are based. So even if you don't believe in the Divinity of, well, anything, to put these major religious figures on the same level as a green rubber puppet is just ignorant of history and culture.

      Dear Sir Garlon,

      Please read: Misquoting Jesus, by Bart Ehrman. Or Forged, by Bart Ehrman. Or Jesus, Interrupted, by Bart Ehrman. Ehrman is an apostatic ex-born-again Christian who is currently a professor of religious studies at UNC-Chapel Hill (who happens to live about a mile away from where I'm sitting right now at Duke, where his wife works). He started studying the Bible thinking it was God's word, but the facts (as he will exhaustively and clearly teach you, if you bother to actually try to learn) did not support this. In fact, his conclusion after years of devoted study was rather the opposite.

      Regarding the historical reality of Jesus -- there is no contemporary evidence -- outside of the obviously suspect writings of the Church itself -- for this. None. Not one word, one relic, one corroborating fact. The earliest mention -- and only first century mention -- of Jesus is in a probable second or third century insertion in Josephus (the language is infinitely improbable for a man who was a devout Jew). It was also written around 90 CE, which would mean that even if it were written by Josephus, he could not possibly have been reporting events from circa 30 CE as an eyewitness. Note that at this time adult life expectancy was pathetic -- there were probably no surviving humans who even might have witnessed any of the events recorded in the gospels by the time one single historical word about Jesus was written anywhere.

      There are no Roman records or Jewish records that confirm a single one of the events reported in the Gospels. In most cases they directly contradict assertions made in the Gospels, such as the idea that the Jewish priesthood had no law to put a man to death. Puh-leeze, they did it all the time. Remember, Jewish Law called for people to be stoned to death for an appallingly long list of "crimes" including adultery, blasphemy, disrespect of your parents. One can go down quite a list of these problems (and of course, many people have done so).

      Turning to Christian writings (automatically suspect given their vested interest): The gospels that speak of the birth of Jesus (Matthew and Luke) cannot be reconciled -- one (Matthew) places the birth of Jesus firmly in the time of King Herod the Great with the supposed slaughter of innocents and flight to Egypt. The other (Luke) places the birth of Jesus firmly in the time of Herod Antipas, when Cyrenius was governor of Syria. These two times are separated by at least fifteen years. Clearly neither Matthew nor Luke had ever met Jesus or had the foggiest idea when or how or if he was born. Mark, considered by most serious Bible historians to be the primary document from which both Matthew and Luke were later derived (that is, the earliest document actually written) was a) almost certainly not written until after the Jewish revolt and fall of the temple and b) was absolutely not written by an eyewitness. It doesn't even get the geography of Palestine right, and many of the cities it describes -- such as Nazareth -- literally did not exist at the time Jesus was supposed to have come from them (making your reference to "Jesus of Nazareth" interesting in the extreme). The Romans were excellent record keepers and kept excellent tax rolls, and Nazareth was founded no earlier than late in the first or early in the second century, primarily to exploit the increasing numbers of Christian pilgrims.

      It is also a simple fact -- a

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  19. fuck Jedi by Tastecicles · · Score: 5, Funny

    I worship gaffer tape. It has a light side and a dark side, just like the Force, and it binds the Galaxy together. Difference being, it's real, tangible, and doesn't require faith because its physicality is a reassuring proof of its ubiquity.

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  20. TIL by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

    Why list republicans? They are just a subset of the first two groups...

    Jedi and Wiccans?

    Huh.

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  21. Really? No Apple Fanboyism? by Bitzer2 · · Score: 2

    At the risk of starting an unholy war, I'm shocked and encouraged to see that fruit worshippers are outnumbered by fluorescent tube wobblers. Well done UK!

  22. Re:Cue The Whack-Job Zealots Masquerading... by Vanders · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whack job zealots? This is the UK. Most people quietly giggled at this, then went and did something more interesting, like Christmas shopping or the pub.

    The only people who'll pretend to be outraged by this will be the Daily Mail, and we'll all giggle at them when someone makes a joke about them on Have I Got News For You.

  23. Re:Soooo... by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many pretend to be Christian, I wonder? Probably more than pretend to be Jedi.

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  24. Re:Alternative? by fremsley471 · · Score: 2

    Why would they be mentally ill? It's a meta-joke about organised religion, thousands of people chare it and participate in it. It shows that their humanity is leavened with a lovely dose of wit.

    For many, even being asked about their religion is seen as an act of oppression. This is their reaction.

  25. Re:Soooo... by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2

    Now this deserves to be modded up to five. I have often encountered self-professed Christians who have no idea of the actual teaching of Christ, or even the basic principles of Christianity. And then there are the people who call themselves Christians, but have not been to church in years.

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  26. if history is any guide by sribe · · Score: 2

    In a century or two, people will have forgotten the light-hearted unbelieving nature of this, and the Jedi will be true believers.

  27. Freedom of Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every time I see this story come up, I look for one phrase- 'Freedom of Conscience'. If Humans spent thousands of years, and millions of lives fighting for a fundamental Human Right, I might expect some to remember this fact when events directly relating to the subject come up.

    Freedom of Conscience means that your spiritual beliefs belong to you, the individual, and may never be defined by the State. You are free to believe in what you wish, observe your spiritual beliefs in any way you deem fit, and change those beliefs as often as you like. (And for the dribbling cretins that hang around Slashdot, this does not mean freedom from lawful punishment if one's actions in the name of one's spiritual beliefs infringes the laws of the land).

    Anglo Saxon nations (UK, USA, Canada, NZ, Australia) have Freedom of Conscience as a Human Right for all their citizens, even when freedom of expression is not a right. You spiritual beliefs may not be tested, defined or forceably characterised by the State.

    For those dimbulbs on Slashdot, this means it is IMPOSSIBLE to illegally answer a question about your religion on a UK or USA census, by definition.

    Why do so few people understand the right of 'Freedom of Conscience'? Because this right threatens organised religion. If the people that belong to organised churches get it into their head that their understanding of their own spiritual existence trumps the 'teachings' of the church, that church will rapidly lose power.

    It is no accident that when Census time comes around, sites like this are spammed with nonsense about the 'illegality' of answering the 'religious' questions whosoever the respondent may wish. The spam is purposeful, deliberate, pro-organised religion propaganda that plays on people's ignorance of their rights.

    It should be noted that most non-Anglo-Saxon nations do not have the right of freedom of conscience. Even many first world European nations lack this. Instead, at best, you get the right to join one of a number of State authorised organised religions, or sometimes to be an official non-member of any. The battle for people to have the right of 'Freedom of Conscience' was fought and won in the UK, and fought and lost in nations like Germany. In Germany, the State can officially rule Scientology 'illegal', something that could never happen in the UK or USA.

    Those that play on people's ignorance of 'Freedom of Conscience' and spam garbage about how 'Jedi' respondents have broken the law and should be prosecuted, are actually attempting to persuade citizens of Britain and the USA to accept the situation found in backwards nations like Germany or Indonesia. Their tactic is to use ignorance of fundamental Human Rights to eventually wither those rights into non-existence. They are the religious bigots that love the power wielded by organised religion, and hate the power potentially wielded by the free-thinking individual.

    Freedom of conscience will die in the UK, just as freedom of expression has (Brits have been successfully prosecuted in the last few years for simply expressing anti-war sentiments in public). The method of killing rights here is to give useful pressure groups ever more power over members of their communities. This tactic is overseen by organisations like 'Common Purpose'. It is the old tactic of divide-and-conquer by 'tribal loyalty' , where no matter who you are, you are forced to belong and submit to a given tribe, the leaders of which all share 'common purpose' with the leaders of the other tribes.

    In the meantime, while they still can, the sensible thinking part of the UK populace will express their love of freedom through acts like ticking 'Jedi'. For each individual, in is a small and tiny voice in the gathering storm saying "I am not a number, I am a free Man".

  28. Atheism Theory vs Atheism Application... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    I have been in this discussion before on slashdot, and I think there is one thing that helps to clear the differences in understanding that tends to go unsaid. (disclaimer - I am agnostic)

    Your statement that an atheist does not believe is accurate. However that is the theory of the term. In application, many (not all) atheists demonstrate themselves to have just as much faith as theists, in that they believe there to be no deity. While they are believing there to be no god, they are still nonetheless believing in something. Conversely, someone who is agnostic states they do not know there to be - or not be - a deity.

    Hence to many people, both those who are and those who are not, atheism is a religion. Atheism in its current incarnation most often involves the belief in there not being a deity.

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