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Boeing Uses 20,000 Lbs. of Potatoes To Check Aircraft Wireless Network Signals

coondoggie writes "Boeing calls it Project SPUDS — or rather, Synthetic Personnel Using Dielectric Substitution — that is, using sacks of potatoes perched on aircraft seats to test the effectiveness of wireless signals in an airliner cabin. Boeing said it was researching an advanced way to test wireless signals in airplanes and needed a way to effectively simulate 200-300 people sitting in seats throughout the aircraft."

104 comments

  1. Tatters, precious? by r33per · · Score: 1

    Couldn't resist...

    1. Re:Tatters, precious? by broggyr · · Score: 1, Informative

      Tatters, no. Taters, perhaps.

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    2. Re:Tatters, precious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can proudly say I can count to them.

    3. Re:Tatters, precious? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Well, Gollum's clothing was certainly tattered.

  2. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So did they do this test in their labs, or at a Five Guys?

    1. Re:So by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Five Guys usually makes me test my lab.

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    2. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They usually do it at the five guys on 164th SW, it's the closest to their plant.

    3. Re:So by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      This was Seattle, so it was done at Dick's Drive-In.

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    4. Re:So by bedouin · · Score: 1

      Dick's is the place whee the SWASS hang out.

    5. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not at Five Guys. They wanted good results.

    6. Re:So by Specter · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's not: "Dick's is the place where the cool hang out. The rich like to play and the SWASS flaunt clout?"

    7. Re:So by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      When your posse's so big you have to walk in twos, I don't think it matters - you're swass AND cool!

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    8. Re:So by bedouin · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected.

  3. coincidence by pesho · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fact that Boeing's customers treat their passengers as sacks of potatoes is purely coincidental.

    1. Re:coincidence by colin_faber · · Score: 4, Funny

      Haha yes I was just thinking that, FTA "The team determined that potatoes were ideal stand-ins for passengers, given their similar physical interactions" I've seen lots of sacks of potatoes in my travels over the last year. Some even snore.

    2. Re:coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are they using couch potatoes or in this case coach potatoes!?

    3. Re:coincidence by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, that's pretty much the joke. Thanks for re-stating it.

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    4. Re:coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you may be on to something there. Not that Boeing really gets much choice in what their customers do after the product is sold, anymore than a movie studio can keep me from improving their DVD's by smearing them with feces.

      Let's look at ways airlines treat customers like potatoes:

      • mashing
      • frying
      • boiling
      • baking
        • including twice-baked
      • roasting
      • dehydrating
      • peeling
      • soaking
      • salting
      • thrown into sacks
      • dumped out of sacks
      • fed manure
      • fed compost
      • kept in the dark
      • plowed over
      • ripped out of place
      • invasive scans
      • ID'd by machines
      • falsely rejected by machines
      • bar-coded

      Boeing's engineers seem to have picked a stand-in that seems to suit most use cases. It's a shame they are right on so many levels...

    5. Re:coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If Boeing covered the sacks in lard and flew them to Florida, half of 'em would be married within a week and the rest would be cops.

    6. Re:coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of you who didn't get it, Boeing's using potatoes because they interact with wireless networks in a similar way to people. But it sounds like they think their passengers are like sacks of potatoes in other ways, such as being immobile, vegetative, packed in and thrown about!

    7. Re:coincidence by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      I was thinking, "Why couldn't they have used cows or hippos?" but then I realized, potatoes don't whine about not being able to fit into a seat because they're too fat.

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    8. Re:coincidence by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The fact that Boeing's customers treat their passengers as sacks of potatoes is purely coincidental.

      Execpt that passengers are typically self-loading cargo, thus saving the airline from having to pay people to load cargo as they would with sacks of potatoes.

  4. Extra large sacks of potatoes by fragtag · · Score: 1

    I hope some of those potatoes were asked to pay for 2 seats.

    In all seriousness, 80 pounds of potatoes has similar WIFI restricting capabilities as maybe 140 pounds of person? What other food analogs are used in place of people for tech experiments?

    1. Re:Extra large sacks of potatoes by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The weight is not important. Sacks of potatoes can form a mostly human shape, and I suppose have a more or less similar water concentration? (emphasis on more or less)

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    2. Re:Extra large sacks of potatoes by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a spherical potato....

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    3. Re:Extra large sacks of potatoes by mpeskett · · Score: 4, Informative

      Numbers found by a brief search indicate ~60% (anywhere from 45% to 75% depending on age and obesity) for a human body, and ~80% for a potato. So you could probably get away with a potato sack smaller than a human, but it's a decent approximation either way.

    4. Re:Extra large sacks of potatoes by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      What other food analogs are used in place of people for tech experiments?

      I would have suggested scuba diving wetsuits filled with lard. Sacks of potatoes were probably cheaper.

      Man, what a bitch of a long boarding time.

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    5. Re:Extra large sacks of potatoes by Prikolist · · Score: 1

      In vacuum...

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  5. I hope they used the 50-ohm potatoes by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

    cause if they used the 75-ohm ones, their Starch Wave Ratio may be too high.

    oh, and they have to be properly grounded. potatoes have experience in this area, so that's not usually a problem.

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    1. Re:I hope they used the 50-ohm potatoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a HAM radio operator!

    2. Re:I hope they used the 50-ohm potatoes by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      Well, I know that if I eat too many potatoes, I find that the input impedance ends up significantly lower than the output impedance and I get lots of damaging signal reflection at the output of the feedline...

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    3. Re:I hope they used the 50-ohm potatoes by tool462 · · Score: 2

      No kidding. If they mismatch impedances, the eye's on those potatoes will close.

    4. Re:I hope they used the 50-ohm potatoes by Technician · · Score: 1

      75 ohm is fine for video. What is the primary use? Audio is often 32 ohms for headphones, 8 ohms for speakers, 50 ohm for radio, and 75 for video. Eithernet is typicaly 110 ohm, so 75 ohm is in the ballpark. 50 ohms may be a better match if you can find 50 ohm spuds.

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  6. Wow. by Githaron · · Score: 1

    That's spudtacular!

  7. All eyes... by r33per · · Score: 1

    All eyes will be on Boeing to make sure they don't make a hash of it.

    1. Re:All eyes... by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      Sweet! I yam liking your jokes already.

  8. I suppose if you cut them and fry them by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

    then they would be called French flies.

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    1. Re:I suppose if you cut them and fry them by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Raw, they are just coach potatoes.

  9. Classes by r33per · · Score: 1

    1st: glazed honey roasted Bus.: Boiled new potatoes Cattle: left-over corned-beef mash

  10. "Advanced..." by WhackAttack · · Score: 0

    "Boeing said it was researching an advanced way to test wireless signals in airplanes" With potatoes. LOL

    1. Re:"Advanced..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did we start calling radio "wireless"?

    2. Re:"Advanced..." by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      When did we start calling radio "wireless"?

      About the same time we started calling antennae "aerials". For reference: It was around the time when we stopped calling the mathematicians who solved equations for the engineers upstairs "computers".

  11. Not the problem? by phizi0n · · Score: 1

    When the plane is connecting to low bandwidth cellular networks for internet access, how much does it really matter if there is good wifi signal throughout the plane or not.

    1. Re:Not the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you can have the seat where there is zero signal then. It's not like you can just measure the distance from the AP to the laptop in a straight line and calculate a signal strength from that distance. The plane is a big metal tube with lots of metal structures inside. The signals bounce around and might create spots where there is absolutely zero energy in some spots and very much energy in others. So I imagine they need fairly sophisticated equipment and software along with careful placement of the APs. And a neat way of testing it is using sacks of potatoes instead of filling the plane with people while doing the measurements.

    2. Re:Not the problem? by colinnwn · · Score: 2

      Well, this was also for regulatory and safety testing, not just for signal quality to the end user. You also want to ensure every seat on the aircraft at least has a decent signal to not compound potential backhaul problems. Finally next gen ground data service is in development for both ground and AC users, as well there is decently high speed satellite service for AC like Row44.

    3. Re:Not the problem? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Try measuring your wifi signal strength using a smartphone meter app. I did that in my apartment, and it seems there are standing wave patterns. I would imagine the signal gets reflected off cables, radiators, chairs, LCD screens, tables and whatever else.

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  12. Chill out, Paddy McButthurt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You're freaking out a bit early, don't you think? There's not a single Irish joke in the comments yet.

    1. Re:Chill out, Paddy McButthurt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Must be redhead, with all that anger.

    2. Re:Chill out, Paddy McButthurt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably drunk. Ignore him.

    3. Re:Chill out, Paddy McButthurt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He avoids the losing-your-soul-by-traveling-into-the-future problem by simply not having one.

  13. "I took a spud, out to a see an EMI test... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and didn't have to pay
    to
    get
    it
    IN!"

    (oldie but goodie?)

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    1. Re:"I took a spud, out to a see an EMI test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the punchline???

    2. Re:"I took a spud, out to a see an EMI test... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      net search on 'I took a fish head out to see a movie' and that should give a hint as to the GOML ref I was making.

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  14. Dummer than a... by StrangeBrew · · Score: 1

    Were TSA agents involved, and did they suffer from any inferiority related mental injuries?

  15. Why couldn't they... by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Why couldn't they "effectively simulate 200-300 people sitting in seats throughout the aircraft" by actually having 200-300 people sitting in seats throughout the aircraft?

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    1. Re:Why couldn't they... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1, Informative
      FTFA:

      The technology was first developed to more thoroughly and efficiently ensure that signal propagation met the regulatory safety standards that protect against interference with an aircraft's critical electrical systems, Boeing stated.

      Even for tests, they're probably not yet allowed to have those 200-300 people in seats, using wifi, while the plane is aloft.

    2. Re:Why couldn't they... by xaxa · · Score: 2

      Why couldn't they "effectively simulate 200-300 people sitting in seats throughout the aircraft" by actually having 200-300 people sitting in seats throughout the aircraft?

      Because it's cheaper than using actual people (from the video in the article, they first tested that the potatoes were similar enough to people in a lab). They were able to do some particularly long-running tests and collect a huge amount of data.

    3. Re:Why couldn't they... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's see...WiFi screws up airplane, 300 people dead, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use sacks of potatoes or something like that instead of people?"

      There's just no pleasing you.

    4. Re:Why couldn't they... by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's see...WiFi screws up airplane, 300 people dead, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use sacks of potatoes or something like that instead of people?"

      There's just no pleasing you.

      WiFi screws up airplane, 300 potato sacks lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use people who can't stop texting for a few minutes instead of sacks of potatoes?"

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    5. Re:Why couldn't they... by Azure+Flash · · Score: 0

      Split it 50/50 then: use 150 people and 150 sacks of potatoes.

    6. Re:Why couldn't they... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Let's see...WiFi screws up airplane, 300 people dead, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use sacks of potatoes or something like that instead of people?"

      There's just no pleasing you.

      WiFi screws up airplane, 300 potato sacks lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use people who can't stop texting for a few minutes instead of sacks of potatoes?"

      Wifi screws up airplane, 300 mad texters lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use celebutantes?"

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    7. Re:Why couldn't they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spuds don't demand union wages and benefits

    8. Re:Why couldn't they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first question would be, "Why wasn't most of Congress on board?"

    9. Re:Why couldn't they... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      my hat off to them: I've managed to teach my sack of spuds to use open access wifi, but wpa2 is just too hard...

    10. Re:Why couldn't they... by Firehed · · Score: 1

      When did this take place? The BOS-SFO flights on Virgin often have half or more of the guests using WiFi, and those A320s hold 146 passengers. They've had in-flight WiFi since the fleet launched, as far as I know. Certainly since 2009 since I first flew with them.

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    11. Re:Why couldn't they... by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Let's see...WiFi screws up airplane, 300 people dead, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use sacks of potatoes or something like that instead of people?"

      There's just no pleasing you.

      WiFi screws up airplane, 300 potato sacks lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use people who can't stop texting for a few minutes instead of sacks of potatoes?"

      Wifi screws up airplane, 300 mad texters lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use celebutantes?"

      Wifi screws up airplane, 300 celebutantes lost, and your first question would be, "How do you know it wasn't the paparazzi on the wings?"

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    12. Re:Why couldn't they... by mbstone · · Score: 1

      You could never get 200 people to sit in airline seats for several hours, unless they were flying somewhere. This would violate the Geneva Convention Against Torture.

    13. Re:Why couldn't they... by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Let's see...WiFi screws up airplane, 300 people dead, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use sacks of potatoes or something like that instead of people?"

      There's just no pleasing you.

      WiFi screws up airplane, 300 potato sacks lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use people who can't stop texting for a few minutes instead of sacks of potatoes?"

      Wifi screws up airplane, 300 mad texters lost, and your first question would be, "Why the hell didn't they use celebutantes?"

      I'm having a mental image of Lindsey Lohan wrecking a Porsche into an airplane...

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  16. Nobody flies anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they were simply unable to run a test on an actual in flight trip with live people?

  17. But to test what sort of people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That might be enough potatoes to account for average sized people, but what about a plane load of fat Americans? They'd have to use 50,000 lb

    1. Re:But to test what sort of people? by drkim · · Score: 1

      That might be enough potatoes to account for average sized people, but what about a plane load of fat Americans? They'd have to use 50,000 lb

      There's an aircraft that seats 50,000 fat Americans? Wow!

    2. Re:But to test what sort of people? by Nikker · · Score: 1

      There has to be a paradox in there somewhere, just have to keep looking I guess.

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  18. Couch potatos fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did not know that a Couch Potato would get off his / her tush and actually fly. What else is Boing doing to get them moving?

    1. Re:Couch potatos fly by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Free WiFi

  19. Spuds?!? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Where's it flying too, White Hart Lane?

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  20. Re:Irish joke by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, fries are made from potatoes.

    Not if you go to mcdonalds.

  21. Harry Chapin by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Funny

    It was just after dark when the plane started down
    The airspace that leads into Scranton, Pennsylvania
    Carrying Twenty Thousand Pounds

    Of potatoes.

    Carrying twenty thousand pounds
    (hit it Big John)
    Oooooof Potatoooooes

  22. ..and cheaper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...than couch potatoes!

  23. And if the potatoes get fried... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...you know the wifi signal was too strong

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  24. Legless by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sacks of potatoes can form a mostly human shape

    Only if you ignore the legs...which would also explain how they estimate the legroom to provide in economy seats.

    1. Re:Legless by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that Bob Oblong is the ideal passenger?

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  25. Potatoes? by cyberstealth1024 · · Score: 1

    Do they not watch Mythbusters? If nothing else, Mythbusters has taught me that pigs are awesome human body analogues. ...at least better than sacks of potatoes. That being said, potatoes would be easier to strap into the seats than a bunch of living (or dead) pigs. better smelling too.

    1. Re:Potatoes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmm, bacon!

    2. Re:Potatoes? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Dead pigs are expensive, smell, leave stains on the seats, have a limited acceptable usage time and some people don't like for you to use them.
      Now the mythbusters are usually testing other things than dielectric strength. I an certain a spud doesn't have similar ballistic properties to a human.

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    3. Re:Potatoes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      easier to clean up after as well.

  26. Are you sure you're not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just flying high in your taxi???

  27. They use chickens too... by pongo000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...at least back when Boeing had a presence in Wichita, KS in the 80's. They shot dead chickens out of a specially-built canon to simulate windshield strikes. My understanding is that jet engine manufacturers still use chicken canons to fire birds into running jet engines.

    1. Re:They use chickens too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just remember to use fresh, not frozen chickens!

    2. Re:They use chickens too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may speak in jest, but my day job involves plannig jet engine bird ingestion. You have to get the chicken out of the freezer in time to defrost, but shoot it in before it goes off. You usually have a selection and pick the ones that are just over the minimum mass requirement.

    3. Re:They use chickens too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if your first thought is trying to remember whether the Chicken Canon comes before or after the Taco Bell Canon, you've been Slash-Schickeled.

  28. Potatoes? How about Bananas? by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    Potatoes? That isn't anything compared to the THIRTY thousand pounds of mashed bananas!

    Anybody? Aaaaaanybody?

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  29. Take your daughter to work day? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 1

    So I guess it was Take Your Daughter To Work Day at Boeing? I wonder who won the science fair, or if there were any survivors?

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  30. You mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a way to effectively simulate 200-300 people sitting in seats ...

    It's called Congress. Now methinks vegetables can do a better job.

  31. OP's a potato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all knew this. Boeing just proved it for us.

  32. This test would only be relevant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they were trying to test for a plane full of a bunch of down syndrome people...

  33. Tater wasting by nickybio · · Score: 1

    I hope they donated all those potatoes to food banks when they were done playing with them.

  34. Improvement by docilespelunker · · Score: 1

    I would much rather share a flight with spuds than travellers. For example, new potatoes are tasty, whereas babies are noisy and smelly.

  35. Re:Irish joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're Irish, then they will call them chips, like all civilised people do.

  36. Industry Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this an inside industry joke? I work in I.T. for aviation and our system uses the word SCK [S(A)CK] to refer to passengers, uses for logistics and weight and balancing I think.

  37. Great icon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am pumped.

    Please continue using the network world icon for all further stories by them.

    A tag would be great to so that I can filter search results.

  38. Waste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they don't just throw the potatoes away afterwards, I guess it kinda makes sense.

    20,000lbs of potatoes could do a lot of good, in a lot of places. It isn't a large amount in the scale of things, but I just hate to see people wasting food.