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iOS 6 Adoption Rates Soar Following Google Maps Release

redletterdave writes "The Dec. 12 reinstatement of Google Maps on iOS has apparently been enough for some of those reluctant users to finally make the upgrade to iOS 6. According to MoPub, the San Francisco-based mobile ad exchange that monitors more than 1 billion ad impressions a day and supports more than a dozen ad networks and 12,000 apps, there has been a 29 percent increase in unique iOS 6 users in the past five days following Google Maps' release on iOS. In fact, MoPub reports a 13 percent increase in iOS 6 users from last Monday to Wednesday alone, which would mean that nearly half of the converts to iOS 6 in the past week switched the very moment Google Maps' standalone app hit the App Store."

143 comments

  1. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now how about getting the version for iPads too?

    1. Re:Great! by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      You may find that the map material is where it is at. And that is not free.

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    2. Re:Great! by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      I see. Maybe it can be pointed to OpenStreetMap.

    3. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're already working on that too, they just prioritised it on iPhones first because maps are a hell of a lot more useful on a phone than a tablet you only use at home/office.

    4. Re:Great! by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      hmm just one tiny problem, in places OpenStreetmap is even worse than apple maps. I live in arendal (se costa of Norway) and å lot of streets are missing completely, and adress inf is non existent. I have actualy contibuted a fex steets but putting in all the address info is just to time consuming.

    5. Re:Great! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You can still use the iPhone version on your iPad while they rework the UI for the iPad version. I'm sure they didn't want to burden their rushed development by doing two UI's at the same time.

    6. Re:Great! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Google's all about not re-inventing the wheel - and that's where they contribute to open source. But when they reinvent the car, they will charge for that. What's your problem?

    7. Re:Great! by ti-85 · · Score: 1
  2. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this take into account the fact that the iPhone was released in China last weekend and may have caused a spike?

    1. Re:China by adamstew · · Score: 5, Informative

      This article from an iOS advertising platform company pretty much confirms that: http://insights.chitika.com/2012/ios-6-adoption-post-google-maps/

      Basically, when google maps was released for iOS 6, their data shows that it had no immediate impact on iOS 6 adoption and continued to have no impact for 5 days afterwards. Once the iPhone 5 was released in China, then there was a nice little spike in iOS 6 usage.

      Basically, if you look at it week-by-week, it could look like Google Maps caused a spike in iOS 6 adoption, but when you look at it day-by-day it tells a different story.

    2. Re:China by andydread · · Score: 2

      Holy frigging truth Batman.....you busted their BS wide open.

    3. Re:China by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Perhaps people waited.

      Take me, for example. I downloaded the new Google Maps when it came out on December 14th. But it's not like I immediately upgraded to iOS 6. I did that this past Monday, December 17th.

      Hell, I'm not going to risk upgrading until I actually make sure things are going to work. I know, call me crazy...

    4. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would someone mod this down?

    5. Re:China by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Because it's entirely off-topic?

    6. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right. The adoption rate of Androids releases is "entirely off-topic" in an article about adoption rate of Apple iOS releases.

    7. Re:China by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      For this particular topic, yeah, it is.

    8. Re:China by Pieroxy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I upgraded eons ago and never regretted it. Apple Maps is actually not as bad as people made it to be, and Google Maps was always available through Safari anyways. This is all just FUD and people being afraid of something nonexistent.

    9. Re:China by AlecC · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would guess you are in the US, where it isn't that bad. Near me, in the well populated southern UK, it has lost one and displaced one of the significant towns in my immediate area - places I frequently visit. The latter is the place I nominally live - where I pay my local taxes. Obviously, because I know my own patch pretty well, I don't need to map these places. But it means my confidence in it mapping a place I don't know is essentially zero,

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    10. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Techcrunch retraction:

      "[Update: One fact that may confound this data is that roughly 2 million iPhone 5s went online in China over the say timespan as the study analyzed, and they may have contributed to the increased iOS 6 traffic data. However, those phones aren't likely enough to account for the entire boost in iOS 6 traffic to MoPub-partnered apps.]"

    11. Re:China by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Even right in the middle of a major area like St. Louis, it did pretty poorly for me.

      But if you need more convincing, See this blog full of terrible screenshots!

    12. Re:China by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      I would guess you are in the US

      And you would be wrong.

      There were some glaring mistakes, but they were all fixed pretty quickly - in a matter of days or weeks. Tell me this: are your neighborhood towns still misplaced on Apple Maps? If not, do you have an idea when it was fixed?

    13. Re:China by AlecC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, Marlborough still gone, replaced by Ogbourn St Andrew, a tiny village nearby, and Basingstoke has moved six miles west to the approximate location of Watership Down.Searching for Crawley takes you to the hamlet in Hampshire not the major town by Gatwick Airport, and searching for Crawley, Sussex finds some sort of health club in Burgess Hill, twenty miles away. They did manage quite quickly to remove Burghclere Station, closed in 1960 and now buried under the Newbury Bypass (after putting it very conveniently close to my home, instead of two miles, where it actually had been).

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    14. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple maps was pretty terrible. i tried using it 5 different time. 1 time, when i used an ADDRESS, it worked. but if you try to search for a place by anything other than address, it does not know where it is. this happened for 2 restaurants, a golf course, and a retail store. it went to the wrong place every time. Yes, google maps was always available through safari anyways. but its more cumbersome, and doesn't do turn-by-turn navigation. it is however what I used, until google released their app, because simply getting directions from google's website was a helluva lot better than trying to use apple maps.

    15. Re:China by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Ok, but how long did it last?

    16. Re:China by omnichad · · Score: 1

      How long did what last?

  3. No it didnt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ummm no it didn't. It was because of the iPhone being released in China. Check Macrumors (where I saw the original and correction).

    1. Re:No it didnt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do mac fanbois always start their posts with "Ummm"?

    2. Re:No it didnt by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Informative
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    3. Re:No it didnt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      iPhone was only released in China because Google Maps became available for it.

    4. Re:No it didnt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually Apple maps is far superior to google in china as Apple got their data from the best source for the area while googles data sorta sucks.

    5. Re:No it didnt by isorox · · Score: 0

      iPhone was only released in China because Google Maps became available for it.

      It would have launched earlier, but the UPS guy got sent to Peru.

      Rumour has it he's under arrest for stealing one of the phones.

    6. Re:No it didnt by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Maybe not all of China:
      Hong Kong seems to be missing all sorts of information.

      Oh, and part of China has made an appearance in Poland.

    7. Re:No it didnt by node+3 · · Score: 0

      For the same reason Android "fanbois" do the same on Apple-loving forums, because they have to correct some ignorant troll from the "home team". In this case, it's the hating on Apple Maps bandwagon that fits with the Slashdot bias. Over on Macrumors, it would be an Android "fanboi" correcting a post about Android not being suited for tablets, or fragmentation, or something similar.

      Oh, and let's stop with the "fanboi" bullshit if we could.

  4. I almost waited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I didn't want to chance the security vulns iOS6 fixed over iOS5

    1. Re:I almost waited by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yet you weren't worried at all about the ones it created? That seems a bit shortsighted.

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  5. Timing? It's probably a coincidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget that this their last week on earth, so why not splurge a little?

  6. Such a great love for Google Maps by Bangmaker · · Score: 1

    I do tend to wonder, if Google Maps is so pivotal to the widespread adoption of iOS 6, would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store? I know Google Maps (and its turn-by-turn navigation) was a very important feature when considering purchasing my own phone.

    1. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not, while it would cause an inconvenience, people will still be able to access Google Map through their browsers, like they've been doing since iOS6 came out.

    2. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do tend to wonder, if Google Maps is so pivotal to the widespread adoption of iOS 6, would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store?

      We might, but Google is under significant anti-trust scrutiny so I doubt they would actually try it. I also doubt that it would be in Google's interest. Google doesn't make much (if anything) off of Android. Its purpose is to funnel mobile users to Google services like Google Maps.

    3. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by rockout · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, many people in the US might be waiting for their contracts to expire before moving to an Android phone from the iPhone. I'm taking a wild guess and I'm obviously biased because I happen to be one of those people, but I can't be the only one. I'm also looking to switch providers and paying $350 to do so before my contract is up is unappetizing to me. So, maybe you'll see a more drawn-out move to Android in the next year or so. Who knows? I can only speak for myself, and that's what I'm doing - was considering it for a while and the Apple Maps fiasco was really the last straw.

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    4. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if we really want, we can eat spaghetti through our nose. But it's awkward, uncomfortable, and messy.

    5. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. If I didn't still have 6 months left on my contract with Verizon on my iPhone 4, I'd have bought the Nexus 4 on day one. Google Maps was fully half that equation (public transit directions are absolutely critical for me on a smartphone); having grown accustomed to my Nexus 7 being the other. As it is, even with the standalone Google Maps app it'll be a tough call between buying the Nexus 4, staying with the iPhone 4, or buying the iPhone 5 come time my contract is up. So far the latter is seeming to be the least likely option and the former the most.

    6. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fiasco? i dunno, i think it's a little overblown. i've used maps since it came out and haven't had any problems, and i really love the interface and the look of the maps. but maybe i'm just in a location apple maps happens to cover well.

    7. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by dugancent · · Score: 1

      I moved from a droid to an iphone 5. To each their own.

      Aside from myself I don't know anyone switching, or wanting to switch, platforms.

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    8. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You could be right - there must have been other reasons for Scott Forstall being shown the door along with Rich Williamson.
      Since you haven't had any problem with iOS maps, why don't you write to Mr Cook and demand he make a public apology for his public apology regarding iOS maps. Fiasco? No way. Mr Cook is wrong, iOS maps is a great product - the nerve of the guy, telling users to use other map apps!

    9. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Rennt · · Score: 1

      We had advisories from "concerned" police that Apple's service was potentially life-threatening.

      Not ruling out the advisories may have been overblown, but yeah... that's a fiasco alright.

    10. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about way more than maps. Apple totally dropped the ball on this, but the rest of the device makes it easy to allow for a fuck up once in a while. Android is the electronic equivalent of being bent over in Times Square with your shorts down. No thank you.

    11. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its purpose is to funnel mobile users to Google services like Google Maps.

      I highly doubt that the decision to purchase Android and pump money into it was anything that clearly defined. It's much more likely that the thought was that mobile was going to become a new computing platform and Google needed to be in it so that it didn't get locked up like the PC did (by Microsoft). Then it turned out that Apple was going to be the new Microsoft, but with even more of an iron fist, which reinforced the need for the strategy. Like nearly all Google initiatives, concerns about how to make money off of it came much later, and remain flexible. The product is the goal, revenue is a means.

    12. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      I've been using Apple maps for a while, and I've had fewer problems with it than I used to have with google maps (it'd often direct me to businesses that had gone out of business). Of course, neither of these services is really up to Apple's standards. Forstall was ousted for pollitical reasons, not simply because he released a product that wasn't up to Apple's standards (this was hardly his first). I don't know why software in general has such poor quality, but Apple's been scraping by with deeply flawed software for quite a while simply because it was as good as or better than the alternatives. Maybe getting rid of Forstall will be a good opportunity for them to try something new.

    13. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      We might, but Google is under significant anti-trust scrutiny so I doubt they would actually try it.

      While I agree it's unlikely I guarantee you that anti-trust would not make one iota of a difference here. There's absolutely nothing in any antitrust law that says you need to support your competitors product with your app. Actually it's quite the opposite. The fact that maps is so wide spread that it is the app of choice on a competitors platform is unlikely to be doing them favours.

    14. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      Avoid spaghetti aglio olio e pepperoncino..

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    15. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

      You're right, Google doesn't make much off Android. They made about $540 million in revenue off of it from 2006-2011. Apple makes that in PROFIT from the iPhone in 1 week. Additionally, Google makes about $2 on advertising from each Android user while they make just over $6 from each iPhone user.

    16. Re:Such a great love for Google Maps by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Also, many people in the US might be waiting for their contracts to expire before moving to an Android phone from the iPhone.

      Perhaps. But there's this: http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/Global/News/Soaring-iPhone-5-sales-in-US-knock-Android-into-second-place

  7. It's from China by mdaitc · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/20/ios-6-adoption-uptick-due-to-iphone-5-release-in-china-not-google-maps/ Ad network and analytics firm Chitika claims it has seen no significant increase in iOS 6 adoption in the U.S. and Canada. A company analyst believes the MoPub data (which was international, rather than domestic) we wrote about earlier today was affected by the recent launch of the iPhone 5 in China, rather than the release of Google Maps. This past weekend, Apple issued a press release bragging that it had sold more than two million iPhone 5 units in China over the first three days of availability.

  8. Most impressed with reach of this news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm most impressed with the reach of this news. It's pretty amazing that such a story could make its way through the 'casual' iOS user population and subsequently cause the users to take action on and affect real world analytics in such a short period of time.

    1. Re:Most impressed with reach of this news by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      I'm impressed with this news too, since it made it to the front page of /. even though it's completely wrong.

    2. Re:Most impressed with reach of this news by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      <OBLIGATORY>

      You must be new here.,

      </OBLIGATORY>

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  9. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was the release in China..not google maps.

  10. post hoc ergo propter hoc by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc strikes again.

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    1. Re:post hoc ergo propter hoc by noh8rz9 · · Score: 0

      "iOS 6 Adoption Rates Soar Following Noh8rz' birthday"

      see? When we skip common sense we can make all sorts of statements!

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    2. Re:post hoc ergo propter hoc by Crowley · · Score: 1

      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur?

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    3. Re:post hoc ergo propter hoc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck yes!

  11. Now do the fuckwit editors here by aybiss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    have the self-respect to pull this piece of bullshit from their front page, or will they just roll on to the next?

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    1. Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      also note to editors:
      reticent =/= reluctant
      "reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"
      reticent is NOT equal to and does not mean reluctant
      .

    2. Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      have the self-respect to pull this piece of bullshit from their front page, or will they just roll on to the next?

      Option 2 captain.

    3. Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here by Maxx169 · · Score: 1

      Common usage as opposed to etymology dictates meaning... Which is a shame really. Give it a couple of decades and even dictionaries will resign themselves to the fact that reticent does indeed mean reluctant. This will leave us with taciturn; a poor substitute.

    4. Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh noes. itard with her panty in a bunch! The Rage!!! I am afraid!!!

  12. MoPub's servers for my hosts file? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, in case it's missing from our hosts files, can anyone provide the domain names MoPub is serving their ads from so we can include them in our hosts files?

    Very much appreciated, thanks!

  13. Why would Google care? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store?

    The funny thing is that at the highest levels, Google and Apple really do not care about each other the way the fans at the lowest level seem to.

    Google just wants to make great data driven apps that in turn drive a lot of data their way. If Android falters they will shrug and simply keep producing apps for the leading platforms. Obviously they would prefer Android to keep doing well because they collect more data that way.

    Apple just wants to make and sell hardware as well made as they can, continuing down the road of integrating software and hardware to the greatest degree possible. They are happy to have well executed applications run on iOS; after all, it moves more hardware. It was pretty funny to watch people speculate on Slashdot that Google Maps would be blocked from the App Store when there were so many other mapping apps on the store already, and obviously Apple wants good applications because they help sell iOS devices.

    So Google would not pull Google Maps from the App Store because it helps them, and Apple will not block it because it helps them.

    But even if for some reason Google went nuts I don't think it would affect iOS much, there are too many other high quality mapping solutions already (including Apple's own maps).

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    1. Re:Why would Google care? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware.

      Yes they do. Explicitly so on Macs (bootcamp is Apple not just allowing Windows to run on Macs but providing drivers too) but they don't do anything to stop people from running Android or Linux on iOS devices (which has been done off and on).

      They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac

      That's where your whole argument falls apart as Bootcamp makes a mac the easiest Windows install outside pre-loads by an OEM.

      How is Apple making is "as hard as possible" when Apple even writes the drivers for you?

      they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader.

      Sir, the reason I stopped you tonight is that I can see your arguments have been weaving dangerously close to the edges of fabrication. Can you please show a form of citation?

      You cant run anything except IOS on an Ipod, Ipad or Iphone

      Google says otherwise.

      Because they make more money from you that way.

      An answer just as easily applied to Google and personal data collection.

      How odd that a company would like money. Is that really a shock to you?

      When Apple cant even put train stations on train lines

      At least Apple can find an airport in a major metropolitan city, a feat seemingly beyond Google after a decade of data collection.

      you cant call it quality.

      If you can call Google Maps quality then obviously Apple Maps is quality, after just a few months of corrections it's doing a better job than Google at finding important things (and when was the last time you looked at your train issue on Apple Maps? I'll bet that error exists. Cough up the exact train station you are referring to).

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    2. Re:Why would Google care? by Divebus · · Score: 1

      ...crickets...

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    3. Re:Why would Google care? by sdsucks · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the boot loader.

      That is a complete lie. Why are you spreading FUD?

      Running Windows on a Macbook is extremely easy, and actually fully supported by Apple. Yes, they *SUPPORT* this - providing the best hardware driver install and update infrastructure I have ever seen in windows. Seriously - I only own high end laptops whether they are Apple or "PC", and running Windows on a Macbook is more pleasant than any Lenovo, HP, etc I've owned.

      See: Bootcamp: http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/

      Regarding Linux - You do need to be aware that Macbooks use EFI, but installing Linux on a Macbook is trivial. I only ever run linux in VM's these days. Why bother running Linux when I have a fully POSIX compliant operating system already running natively? ( FWIW I am no stranger to linux. In a past life I was an *NIX server admin, with many years experience.)

      I've been running both Windows and Linux on Macbooks for over 5 years, and they both work just fine. So now, will you explain your lies?

    4. Re:Why would Google care? by zuperduperman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Google and Apple really do not care about each other the way the fans at the lowest level seem to.

      Ah, so when Steve Jobs said "I'm going to destroy Android! I'm going thermonuclear on them, I will spend every last cent of Apple's $40b in the bank to destroy Android!", he actually meant something more like:

      "Ah, jolly good chaps those Google folk, helping us sell our devices by making fantastic apps!"

      I'm glad we have you to clarify that. Then again, I'm not quite sure your theory maps completely onto reality.

    5. Re:Why would Google care? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      Ah, so when Steve Jobs said "I'm going to destroy Android! I'm going thermonuclear on them, I will spend every last cent of Apple's $40b in the bank to destroy Android!", he actually meant something more like

      I was not aware Zombie Steve Jobs was running the company.

      His reality sure warped you!

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    6. Re:Why would Google care? by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple just wants to make and sell hardware as well made as they can

      This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader. You cant run anything except IOS on an Ipod, Ipad or Iphone desipte it being the exact same hardware that runs Android and Windows Phone8/RT.

      No, Apple wants you locked into their ecosystem. Why?

      Because they make more money from you that way.

      there are too many other high quality mapping solutions already (including Apple's own maps).

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,

      Don't give up your day job. When Apple cant even put train stations on train lines, you cant call it quality.

      I see you've never used a Mac before, but don't worry - you're not the only one spouting such hilariously cute ignorance.

      Installing Windows on a Mac features these "extremely difficult" steps:

      1. Buy Windows (DVD or iso direct from Microsoft)

      2. Run Bootcamp Assistant

      * this partitions your HD (even your boot drive, changing the partition size as needed) to the sizes you choose.
      * it also downloads all the drivers you need for Mac hardware.
      * it then makes a bootable USB windows installer disk and includes all those drivers and software tools (you can choose to make a bootable DVD if you like)

      3. Reboot Mac with this USB stick connected.

      4. Install Windows

      5. Run software package on USB to install all the drivers.

      If you think that is "making it as hard as possible", then I am wondering if you have velcro shoes, because laces must be a total mystery to you.

      Have I rationally rebutted your argument enough to call you a hater yet?

    7. Re:Why would Google care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol the naivety of this comment is almost... heart warming.

    8. Re:Why would Google care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac.

      I'd say let's play "spot the guy who's had his head up his own ass for the last ten years", but it's already pretty obvious who it is.

    9. Re:Why would Google care? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader.

      Really?

      Hmm...I've not had problems putting Linux on mac hardware replacing OSX. I've never tried windows, as that I rarely have a need for MS Windows.

      For times I do need windows, I run it easily in VMWare....

      Especially if you consider VMs, there is absolutely not problem running alternate or multiple OSes on mac computer hardware.

      On the tablets and phones, well, you may be right, I've not tried any of that. However, I do posit that even on android tablets, most manufacturers are NOT making it easy for you to get in, root them, and do any tweaks or installs you might wish, they certainly aren't user friendly in that respect either

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    10. Re:Why would Google care? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      The Windows drivers for Apple hardware (especially their trackpads and their special versions of otherwise-commodity graphics cards) are crap compared to what is normally available for Windows (yes, Apple graphics card drivers are even crappier than normal graphics drivers, on Windows), but it is still the only OEM I know of that makes it that easy to run a competitor's software on their hardware. They've already made their huge profit margin on the hardware though, so why not?

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  14. If you really care about transit IOS is far better by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    public transit directions are absolutely critical for me on a smartphone

    If you really feel that way, you will be far better served using iOS going forward.

    I have used Google Transit a LOT over the years. When you use it in multiple cities, or for a long time every day, you grow to realize that the data it's giving you is mediocre. Yes it generally works but it's often out of touch with the way buses are really running, and if you investigate where the data comes from it's all static files updated infrequently by the metro companies in each city.

    A third party app can cover cities much better, integrating more deeply into the existing metro data stream. There's already an app for iOS called simply Transit (careful, more than one exist) that seems to have the same coverage Google Transit does, and has better presentation of transit data than Google. You not only get a list of possible transit combinations with stops and walking, but it also adds extra details like "this one is slower but has less walking". When scrolling through the segments of the selected route Transit does a great job of showing the route on the map, giving you the estimated departure and arrival times for the bus picking you up and dropping you off.

    So already iOS users get better transit directions than Google Maps gives you, and the transit situation on iOS will only get better as time goes by. With Apple directing people to third party apps there is a TON of motivation to build a really good custom metro app for every city because customers will be herded right to your app outside the crowded app store.

    It's funny that so many people talk about how Apple should allow you to chose a browser or mail client (which would be useful) but then claim it's pointless or unnecessary to have a map where you can chose the best application to give you transit directions. Why should that area be immune from letting third parties do a better job, especially when it's just not possible to do the best job for every city across the globe?

    Especially combined with the trick of asking Siri "Take me to *LocationX* via transit" you have simple one-click transit routing to anywhere quickly and with the best transit directions you can get.

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  15. Re:If you really care about transit IOS is far bet by erice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's funny that so many people talk about how Apple should allow you to chose a browser or mail client (which would be useful) but then claim it's pointless or unnecessary to have a map where you can chose the best application to give you transit directions. Why should that area be immune from letting third parties do a better job, especially when it's just not possible to do the best job for every city across the globe?

    Unlike Apple, Google doesn't block third party apps that compete with its own services and there *are* third party mapping programs on Android.

  16. Not as life threatening as Google Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From the same continent, an even worse story about the dangers of Google Maps - sending people the wrong way down a dangerously narrow one way road. It comes with a similar warning from police not to rely on Google Maps.

    Apple's error has affected a handful of people (one that we know of), while Google's error affects a great deal more people since it's a road along the sea-side where a huge amount of tourist traffic exists.

    So can we infer from your post that Google Maps is a fiasco a decade in the making? I would say Google Maps works pretty well, as does Apple Maps - but that mapping is a hard thing to get quite right. When you start singling out errors it throws egg on the face of every map company, not just the one you are targeting (and in this case most the egg did not even land on Apple).

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    1. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in this case Google Maps was sending cars down a narrow one way road, but no articles say they were sending cars the wrong way down the road.

    2. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Try reading what you link to.

    3. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by climb_no_fear · · Score: 1

      While this is annoying as hell, it is not really dangerous for those of us who actually remember how to read street signs.

      However, if I were running low on fuel in a near-desert region like the one you've referenced (I've never been there but I imagine with few street signs), I imagine I would consider misplacing a town 70 km is probably significantly more dangerous.

    4. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I meant like the desert the original poster referenced.

    5. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      However, if I were running low on fuel in a near-desert region like the one you've referenced

      And why would someone smart enough to read street signs be low on fuel in a remote region?

      Again, it's more about the possible number of people impacted.

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    6. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      My bad, I misread the headline.

      However it makes the issue much worse, because if it really were the wrong way there would be signs telling you not to go that way. So you really don't have any idea what you are in for when you head down that road.

      Thanks for the correction.

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    7. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by climb_no_fear · · Score: 2

      And why would someone smart enough to read street signs be low on fuel in a remote region?

      Well, to state the obvious, because you were looking for the 70km misplaced town with the only gas station for miles around.

      Again, it's more about the possible number of people impacted.

      No, it's about the danger. Lost with no fuel and water in a desert, potentially all occupants dead. Inconvenienced by a one way road when you see the sign, a spat with the spouse. Although depending on the intensity of the argument, maybe one death...

    8. Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I travel into remote parts of Utah and Colorado all the time. You are an idiot if you do not go there with 3x the gas you need to get back, end of story. I have never come close to running out of gas, even if I did veer off to some much longer than expected side roads because maps were misleading (like traveling 20 miles down a dirt road before it became a high-clearance affair that was not marked on the map and you had to go back).

      Sorry, but there's no excuse AND Apple fixed the error immediately. Google is still steering people down a dangerous road by the bucketload each and every day.

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  17. They exist but are lost by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unlike Apple, Google doesn't block third party apps that compete with its own services

    Apple doesn't do that any more either. There are scores of map, mail and browser apps in the App Store.

    They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

    there *are* third party mapping programs on Android.M

    And they will suck utterly compared to the third party transit apps on iOS, because they are lost in the middle of all the other applications. With Google providing you mediocre transit data in Maps and not showing you better alternatives, how many people will search out transit apps?

    Meanwhile Apple directs users in a geographic region (city) to specific applications that can help them. That means as an app developer you are far more likely to earn back the cost of developing a great transit app even for a medium sized metro area.

    We have seen a huge increase in the quality of metro apps on iOS in just a matter of months, exactly because of this effect. This effect will multiply rapidly on iOS while on Android very few developers will bother to try and compete against Google on transit.

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    1. Re:They exist but are lost by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

      When I can download another browser I'll agree with you. Until then this post screams of closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala"

    2. Re:They exist but are lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? There are many in the app store. Try searching, dimwit.

    3. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

      When I can download another browser I'll agree with you. Until then this post screams of closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala"

      There's a small software and search company called "Google" that has an alternative browser on the App Store. It's called Chrome. Maybe you've heard of it?

      http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/mobile/ios.html

    4. Re:They exist but are lost by samoanbiscuit · · Score: 2

      Surely you realize that's just a wrapper around an iOS service? You are either disingenuously misinterpreting the GP to discredit their criticism, or really have no clue about the state of competing browsers on iOS (ie, there are none, only wrappers and bookmark/history syncing).

    5. Re:They exist but are lost by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      So Google Chrome is not Google Chrome because it runs on iOS?

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    6. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      Surely you realize that's just a wrapper around an iOS service? You are either disingenuously misinterpreting the GP to discredit their criticism, or really have no clue about the state of competing browsers on iOS (ie, there are none, only wrappers and bookmark/history syncing).

      It's an app built on the WebKit engine provided on iOS, yes, but that's not what the OP said.

      He said:

      When I can download another browser I'll agree with you.

      So, would you agree that Safari and Chrome are two different browsers, even if they both use the same WebKit API?

      Alternatively there are other browsers on iOS that offload the rendering to a remote server and don't use WebKit, but I figured "Chrome vs Safari" was an easy enough distinction to make given that the criterion was "a different browser [to Safari]".

      I have to wonder how you can say there are "no competing" browsers on iOS, just because most of the browsers on iOS share the common rendering engine.

      I guess Samsung's Android phones are not competing with HTC's Android phones. I mean, they share a common OS, right? They're the same thing!

    7. Re:They exist but are lost by samoanbiscuit · · Score: 3, Informative

      No actually, Chrome on iOS uses a slower (and less powerful) version of the webkit engine than Safari does. More specifically, Chrome on iOS is blocked from using the Nitro javascript engine that Safari has access to, and is not allowed to use it's own javascript JIT compiler, due to Apple's guidelines. So no, Chrome on iOS is a shadow of it's form on other platforms. This basically means that Safari remains by design, and not by chance, the best and most performant browser on iOS.

    8. Re:They exist but are lost by samoanbiscuit · · Score: 1

      It's not the "real" Google Chrome because it's blocked from using it's own fork of WebKit, and cannot use a javascript JIT compiler (neither the builtin Nitro engine, nor any third party one).

    9. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      No actually, Chrome on iOS uses a slower (and less powerful) version of the webkit engine than Safari does. More specifically, Chrome on iOS is blocked from using the Nitro javascript engine that Safari has access to, and is not allowed to use it's own javascript JIT compiler, due to Apple's guidelines. So no, Chrome on iOS is a shadow of it's form on other platforms. This basically means that Safari remains by design, and not by chance, the best and most performant browser on iOS.

      So, what you;re saying is that it's a different browser? Thus fulfilling the OP's request for, quote:

      When I can download another browser I'll agree with you.

      I'm not seeing how there can simultaneously be no competition between browsers on iOS because "they're all the same" but also be... different.

      Also, the speed difference between the JS engines was down to the way the security model and sandboxing was set up - the newer, faster engine (ie, the same one Safari uses) was put into the public API at a later time. The speed parity did not last long. The same issue affected web apps that you could add to your homescreen (from within Safari). When they were launched from the home screen they used the older engine and were slower.

      So, again. The OP asked for a different browser. I provided an example. I was then told that example didn't count because it used the Webkit API. Now you're telling me it *is* actually different, but that it still doesn't count as a different browser because it might be slower than Safari?

      You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

    10. Re:They exist but are lost by samoanbiscuit · · Score: 1

      You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

      Stop playing semantic games and just admit that there are no real alternative browsers, only wrappers around Apple's version of webkit, or some Frankensteinian monstrosity that offloads processing to the server.. Anyway, I joined this conversation to make a point and now must leave it point made, whether or not the recipient of my words understood them.

    11. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

      Stop playing semantic games and just admit that there are no real alternative browsers, only wrappers around Apple's version of webkit, or some Frankensteinian monstrosity that offloads processing to the server.. Anyway, I joined this conversation to make a point and now must leave it point made, whether or not the recipient of my words understood them.

      Haha. So arguments that you disagree with are "semantic games".

      Ok, kid.

      Now we're talking about no "real" alternatives, whereas before it was "there are NO alternatives".

      *aims for the goal*

      *goalposts move*

      *oops!*

      Intellectual dishonesty at its finest; move the goalposts after the fact and then declare my argument invalid based on the new criteria. You can do better.

    12. Re:They exist but are lost by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Now we're talking about no "real" alternatives, whereas before it was "there are NO alternatives".

      If there are no real alternatives, there are no alternatives. The fact is there is no Opera browser on an iPhone, only an Opera wrapper around Safari. If you're still running Safari, you're hardly using an alternative.

      No goalposts were moved, you're simply splitting hairs and being disingenuous. How much Apple stock do you own, fellow? None? Then you're as much a fool for defending them than the ones defending Windows Metro.

      You people are insane and irrational.

    13. Re:They exist but are lost by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So, what you;re saying is that it's a different browser? Thus fulfilling the OP's request for, quote:

      Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. Why do you persist in this stupidity when it's clear you didn't interpret what I said the way I meant it (most probably because you don't have a clue as to the arcane restrictions Apple places on apps).

      You can't download any Gecko, or Presto engine browsers. You can't download any Webkit engine browsers that differ in Webkit from the Safari versions (Chrome webkit != Safari webkit).

      All I get is a skin from another browser that inherits Safari's rendering bugs.

    14. Re:They exist but are lost by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh I've heard of Chrome. It just doesn't exist on iOS. All you get on iOS devices is a skin that looks like Chrome which uses iOS's built-in Webkit API.

      This is not an alternative browser, just like putting a shiny little red green blue yellow start button on KDE and calling it Lindows did not make it a Windows platform instead of a Linux platform.

      Actually this entire thread is a fun read. Either you're really in "lalala" mode or you completely and utterly missed the point I was trying to make and are refusing to let yourself be corrected. Either way it's an entertaining way to start the first day after the end of the world.

    15. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      So, what you;re saying is that it's a different browser? Thus fulfilling the OP's request for, quote:

      Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. Why do you persist in this stupidity when it's clear you didn't interpret what I said the way I meant it (most probably because you don't have a clue as to the arcane restrictions Apple places on apps).

      You can't download any Gecko, or Presto engine browsers. You can't download any Webkit engine browsers that differ in Webkit from the Safari versions (Chrome webkit != Safari webkit).

      All I get is a skin from another browser that inherits Safari's rendering bugs.

      No, you didn't "mean it" honestly. You are attempting to make the argument that two different browsers are the same browser because they share a common rendering engine. I am calling that argument what it is: nonsense.

      The only reason you're sticking to this ludicrous argument is because an apple hater troll made the argument that there were no competing browsers on iOS (clearly having not done any research on the topic), and you're now desperately twisting in the wind trying to manufacture evidence and redefine words to lend that troll some faint credibility. It's not working.

    16. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Oh I've heard of Chrome. It just doesn't exist on iOS. All you get on iOS devices is a skin that looks like Chrome which uses iOS's built-in Webkit API.

      This is not an alternative browser, just like putting a shiny little red green blue yellow start button on KDE and calling it Lindows did not make it a Windows platform instead of a Linux platform.

      Actually this entire thread is a fun read. Either you're really in "lalala" mode or you completely and utterly missed the point I was trying to make and are refusing to let yourself be corrected. Either way it's an entertaining way to start the first day after the end of the world.

      No, I didn't miss your point. Your point is intellectually dishonest.

      Chrome and Safari on iOS are two different browsers. That is the argument. The share a common rendering engine. This doesn't matter. Fedora and Ubuntu share the same kernel. Does that make them the same product?

    17. Re:They exist but are lost by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Using the term 'hater' to describe an opponent in an argument is a cultish practice.

      It's almost always Apple zealots who use the term.

      Yeah. Asserting the above makes me a hater. Scientologists use this kind of semantics to keep themselves safely separate from 'the rest of us' too.

    18. Re:They exist but are lost by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You're in lala land. But, whatever. It's probably kinda fun.

    19. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      Using the term 'hater' to describe an opponent in an argument is a cultish practice.

      It's almost always Apple zealots who use the term.

      Yeah. Asserting the above makes me a hater. Scientologists use this kind of semantics to keep themselves safely separate from 'the rest of us' too.

      It distinguishes them from us "Fanbois".

      I gave up on trying to argue that point a long time ago, and they seem to hate the term (ha) "hater" since it has cropped up as a pre-emptive argument winner in someone's sig. Of course, in that poster's comments he's free to throw around terms like "fanboi" and "corporate shill" but if you dare say he's a "hater" he wins the argument! Because he said so!

      This thread is a textbook hater classic - the original OP asserted that there were no alternative browsers on iOS, presumably because he believes everything he reads on slashdot and never bothered to actually check. When he is called on it, rather than admit that he's wrong a flurry of posts trying to *redefine what is meant by alternative* appear, to make the criticism of Apple still valid.

      In other words, it's preferable to twist the argument and change the definition of words than admit they were wrong about Apple. If "apple hater" isn't an accurate term for that then what do you suggest? Reality Denier? Ignorant? Muppet?

    20. Re:They exist but are lost by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      You're in lala land. But, whatever. It's probably kinda fun.

      Is that what we're calling reality now?

      I'd be interested in your response to the question: are Ubuntu and Fedora the same product?

  18. note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant" by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    reticent =/= reluctant
    "reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"
    reticent â reluctant
    .
    How many ways can I type that "not-equal sign"? (not in unicode, obvviously damn it) Seriously, to paraphrase Inigo Montoya, that word in this article summary does NOT mean what they think it means.
    Reticent can mean modest or keeping something to oneself, or keeping quiet about something.
    Reluctant can mean not willing or inclined to do something, which is the meaning that must have been intended.
    .
    Seriously, do they need a high-schooler like me to be an editor who's not afraid of looking up word and perhaps actually editing the content and form of the submissions and cleaning things up and really behaving like an editor? I would seriously do it if asked ;>)
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  19. Re:If you really care about transit IOS is far bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First look at how many map and map related titles there are for iOS and then tell me again how they're being blocked. There are almost too many to choose from. The selection is quite granular.

  20. I warned them by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    I said in the release article here, you don't see Apple building Microsoft a start menu app and then giving it out for free BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID! There you go, helping out their #1 competitor.

  21. What about the week prior? by joeflies · · Score: 1

    For comparisons sake, it would be interesting to know how many people adopted ios6 in the week prior to the release of google maps. Need a baseline to understand the context, but can't do much with it by itself

    1. Re:What about the week prior? by Divebus · · Score: 1

      I found some data points at 24 and 48 hours after the initial release of iOS6 and another after a week. First, a broad statement which seems a little like speculation:

      "..within the first day, iOS 6 peaked at more than 15 percent of Web traffic to its mobile ad network.."

      Then something that seems more like data that isn't going away:

      iOS 6 on 25% of iOS Devices 48 Hours After Public Release

      And finally:

      iOS 6 Adoption At Just Over One Week: 60% For iPhone And 41% For iPad"

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  22. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by isorox · · Score: 1

    reticent =/= reluctant

    "reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"

    reticent â reluctant
    .

    How many ways can I type that "not-equal sign"?

    Normal people would write <> or !=

  23. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    re:Normal people would write "\gr \lt" or "!="
    I don't think that less-than-or-greater-than would apply because the use of "lessthan" or "greaterthan" implies the presence of a partial ordering, and though words are ordered alphabetically, I am talking about inequality. "a \lt \gt b" (sort of) implies "a \lt b" or "b \lt a", which also implies some ordering. You are, however, correct that "!=" would also work and be correctly interpreted. The fact that I could not get the unicode "not-equal sign" to be accepted by slash-dot is why I went ahead and used the $LaTeX$ symbol and the wacky "=/=" to get the visual effect of the "not equal" symbol and spelling it out. But I must admit that I have never been accused of being normal, so even though normal people might write or "greater-than" or "less-than", I would not.

  24. I upgraded for the Google maps app by adnonsense · · Score: 2

    My iDevice was running the least-outdated version of iOS 4 and not being too bothered about these things I never got round to updating it. Also, I was a bit leery about installing a new major release until the early adopters had suffered through the kinks. The release of the Google map app, which requires iOS 5.something or later was enough reason to finally upgrade.

  25. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 1

    Funnily enough, the french word for reluctant is "reticent". (Arrrgh, it's 2012 and Slashdot still doesn't do UTF8 properly...)

    Maybe the original poster has fallen for this common faux pas. The less said about the editors the better.

  26. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    Gracias, I mean >! I did not know that. Perhaps the french nuance does play a role in this. It's always been one of my pet peeves (reticent v. reluctant, lose v. loose) but I will try to be more understanding now that I realize the possible source of this confusion. (and re the UTF8, I agree. That was part of my usage of $\noteq$ instead of the unicode "not equal symbol".)

  27. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    I wrote Merci with french quotes around it, but slashdot's html parser ate up my $\lt$ and $\gt$ angle-braces!

  28. Shenanigans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I called Shenanigans on this even before I got to the many refutations in the comments. iOS 6 was the first major iOS release available over the air (as opposed to only via iTunes). Apple pushed the upgrade availability out to all compatible devices on day one. No Android-style staggered roll-out. No BS post-release carrier acceptance testing. Something like 50% in the first week after the iOS 6 release i.e. half of all iOS 6 capable devices ever sold were upgraded in seven days. People were already upgraded by the time the "Apple Maps Sucks!" conventional wisdom came to light.

    I imagine at this point, many of the unupgraded units are, in fact, retired or otherwise non-functional, and most of the remaining devices are jailbroken; their owners are intentionally remaining on iOS 5 as there's no jailbreak yet for iPhones and iPads running iOS 6.

  29. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by oodaloop · · Score: 1

    Normal people wouldn't be on slashdot.

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  30. And how.... by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    did you think Apple found china? By using google maps of course

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  31. Only 6 mil iOS 6 devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming this is related to Chinese release, does that mean there are only +-6 million (100/30 * 2,000,000) iOS 6 devices globally? That seems very low.

  32. Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "study" is basically a graph with no source and no numbers backing it.

    The OP was about an ad agency monitoring real time traffic. Which one would you rather believe? Apple shills trying to discredit Google or real-time traffic?

  33. Re:Well Intentioned by Custard+Horse · · Score: 2

    ummm....no it doesn't.

  34. Why is it not viable? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    admit that there are no real alternative browsers

    In order to do that I would have to believe that every website needed a fast Javascript engine.

    Since they don't, you should really stop digging.

    I use alternate browsers for a variety of things. It's absurd to claim there are none, since a huge part of the reason to use something like Chrome is you prefer the controls, bookmarking or how multiple browser windows work.

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  35. IOS6 means surrendering some rights to free speech by Loundry · · Score: 1

    I jailbreak my IOS device for one very important reason: /etc/hosts. This is VERY important to me. If I access an internet resource, there's nothing stopping it from telling my device, "Hey, also get this other resource without asking the user for permission!" In other words, it speaks on my behalf. My right to free speech also means freedom from compulsory speech. /etc/hosts means that I can control which resources are accessed on my behalf.

    Apple (and all other money-making enterprises) hate this notion because it interferes with their potential profit. This is why we have to rely on jailbreaking to restore these free speech rights. My IOS5 device is jailbroken, but I cannot get an untethered jailbreak for IOS6.

    IANAL. Doesn't matter. This is a philosophical issue.

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  36. Re:IOS6 means surrendering some rights to free spe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we have to rely on jailbreaking to restore these free speech rights.

    Au contraire! You could just not buy the device, free speech is easily controlled from your wallet.

  37. Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

    I don't think that less-than-or-greater-than would apply because the use of "lessthan" or "greaterthan" implies the presence of a partial ordering, and though words are ordered alphabetically, I am talking about inequality.

    Most people around here know a bit of coding, and in (among others) BASIC, Pascal and SQL the <> operator means not-equal-to. The != comes from C-like languages.

  38. Re:IOS6 means surrendering some rights to free spe by node+3 · · Score: 0

    Your content disproves your subject line. Even if we take as given the absurd notion that access to /etc/hosts is somehow intrinsically tied to "free speech" (it *can* be used to affect speech, granted, but Apple doesn't do anything that would trigger that, so it's a non-sequitur claim on your part), the fact that you engage in a work-around demonstrates that using iOS 6, in fact, does not mean the very thing you claim it does.

    Ironically, telling people what OS to use or not use, actually is much more of a free speech issue than the one you brought up.