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Rivalry Building Between Amazon and Google

Amazon and Google, both giants in the online business world, started out as separate entities with two very different agendas. As each has grown into an empire, the overlapping areas of business between the two companies has grown as well. But with both companies moving strongly into the electronic device market, cloud services, and Amazon now building out its advertising network, they find themselves increasingly at odds, and 2013 may bring more direct battles."Amazon wants to be the one place where you buy everything. Google wants to be the one place where you find everything, of which buying things is a subset. So when you marry those facts I think you're going to see a natural collision," said VC partner Chi-hua Chien. Adds Reuters, "Not long after Bezos learned of Google's catalog plans, Amazon began scanning books and providing searchable digital excerpts. Its Kindle e-reader, launched a few years later, owes much of its inspiration to the catalog news, the executive said. Now, Amazon is pushing its online ad efforts, threatening to siphon revenue and users from Google's main search website."

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  1. Amazon by BlkRb0t · · Score: 3, Informative

    While everyone is more interested in the rivalry of Google, Apple and Microsoft, Amazon has steadily charted up year after year building a base that is more resilient than that of any other.

  2. "Pack of Four" by tuppe666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While everyone is more interested in the rivalry of Google, Apple and Microsoft, Amazon has steadily charted up year after year building a base that is more resilient than that of any other.

    Nobody is interested in Microsoft. The "pack of four" includes *Facebook* over Microsoft.

    1. Re:"Pack of Four" by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speak for yourself. My business runs on Microsoft stuff. I couldn't give two shits about Facebook, Google, or Amazon.

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    2. Re:"Pack of Four" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? I think you should pay attention to the actual world and quit listening to tech pundits who seem more concerned with shock value than fact. Facebook is in a fast decline and has been since before they went public. Microsoft is continuing to be fairly constant. My bet is that within 5 years (and I'm being liberal here with the time frame), Facebook is as relevant as myspace.

    3. Re:"Pack of Four" by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nobody is interested in Microsoft. The "pack of four" includes *Facebook* over Microsoft.

      Facebook isn't in the same league as the big boys.

      Revenue for most recent quarter:

      • Apple: $36 billion
      • Microsoft: $16 billion
      • Google: $14 billion
      • Amazon: $14 billion
      • Facebook: $1.2 billion

      Facebook makes a lot of noise, but they're smaller than eBay, which had quarterly revenue around $4 billion, and about even with Yahoo.

      Amazon is the company with room to expand. Amazon could potentially take over most of retail. Their real competitor is Wal-Mart.

      The others are near the ceiling of their markets. Google has failed to make money with anything other than search ads. Microsoft probably has a long life ahead of it, like IBM, serving the needs of business. Apple has a price maintenance problem - their huge markups may not survive the flood of lower-priced devices. Facebook is in a bind; their user base has peaked, and shoving more ads at users didn't work out for Myspace.

    4. Re:"Pack of Four" by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      Facebook is still small time imo. The fact they have to resort to pushing some pretty shit ads (gambling, betting, etc) just to get their money says they're not getting it because it appears they're just pushing any ad to anyone. There is no intelligence behind it otherwise they'd realise I'd never click on an ad for gambling. The only thing they have is a large audience and some claim they have a lock-in since people have put their lives into their system but the same thing could have been said about MySpace. Microsoft is losing some relevance but at least they still have products that people need and won't be as happy to replace.

    5. Re:"Pack of Four" by ikaruga · · Score: 2

      I agree with you are saying, but there is one small problem in your post: you're dealing with revenues. It's better, but no sufficient, to talk using net profits or losses. For example, in their latest report Sony post a revenue of $20 billion. Would you consider them part of the "Pack of Four"? As much as I like (parts of) them, I wouldn't.

    6. Re:"Pack of Four" by symbolset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our programmers and engineers still need a Workstation class laptop and Windows or Linux OS.

      In a VM, which is where desktop Windows belongs.

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  3. Lets call it competition by tuppe666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The reality of the new world order, is the "pack of four" do have massive overlap in business, but that is just the way it should be. Its good old fashioned competition. Everyone has a store; Everyone had apps; Everyone owns an advertising company, Everyone has hardware [Ok Facebook only rumoured since forever, and Amazon new rumoured around a phone].

    Personally I think the consumer needs to protected with cross platform; patent free formats, and the ability to move between devices as easily [and I mean Apps too] as possible to protect consumers from being locked into any one ecosystem.

  4. Based on yesterday's Amazon AWS outage by gelfling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon AWS hosts Netflix and it was done for hours yesterday. Based on that I'd say +1 Google in the systems reliability front.

    1. Re:Based on yesterday's Amazon AWS outage by rgbrenner · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:Based on yesterday's Amazon AWS outage by Skapare · · Score: 2

      Netflix has still not deployed any redundancy operations within AWS (e.g. multiple regions). AWS us-east-1 does seem to be less stable than others ... maybe because Netflix is soaking it dry? Or is it Netflix's doom to be using us-east-1.

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    3. Re:Based on yesterday's Amazon AWS outage by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 2

      If you'll read Amazon's comments at http://status.aws.amazon.com/, you'll see that the problem was located and later resolved at Amazon. Netflix wasn't the only service affected.

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    4. Re:Based on yesterday's Amazon AWS outage by rgbrenner · · Score: 3, Informative

      1 Netflix does use multiple zones:
      http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/04/lessons-netflix-learned-from-aws-outage.html

      2 US-East-1 is the default zone, and it is the largest zone. It may even be larger than all of the others combined. It consists of more than 10 datacenters in the VA area. It is also the oldest, and it's where Amazon launches new services first.

  5. Re:That's nice by Niris · · Score: 2

    I take it you don't have any apps on Amazon huh? Their sales, from everything I've seen, are drops in the bucket compared to the play store

  6. Once again we are caught in the middle... by petscii · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't torrent. I bought programs from amazon unbox service. I thought paying $1.99 for programs was fair... OK, I have to wait until the next day because the broadcast networks/cable people have an anti consumer bent towards people "buying" media from them. I'll spare you the rant about the the people who watch the shows being the product vs the shows themselves.

    What is hugely obnoxious is that Amazon is using its position to punish people. You can't get the amazon player for android even though you can get it for the Kindle (which is based on android) and surprise you can get it for the iPad. So none of the content that I paid for will work on my Nexus 7.

    Now I just wait for the DVD sets to hit the library.

    1. Re:Once again we are caught in the middle... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      So far, Amazon still has a better track record of providing access to content obtained from them on others' devices. Kindle and Amazon MP3 apps are both available on pretty much every mainstream desktop and mobile OS, and some more obscure ones (heck, they have a WP7 app!). Instant Video is available on iOS. Furthermore, both Instant Video and MP3 let you download your files in a non-DRM'd format, multiple times at that, so that they can be played in any regular player - compare it to Play Music and Play Video, which aren't even available on iOS.

    2. Re:Once again we are caught in the middle... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Smart move Apple, giving people what they want, instead of stuffing your own services down their face.

      That worked so well with Ping and Apple Maps ~

  7. Re:Who the fuck cares? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think banning humans would go a long way to solving the world's problems.

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  8. Ironic by tuppe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Recently as part of Googles defence against Microsofts smear campaign against "Shopping search monopoly" Amzason where given as an example of where 40% of shoppers go first.

  9. Cyberpunk by Quakeulf · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope we will see the rise of cyberpunk with real competing technology businesses with their own secret task-forces and total disregard for human life in order to turn a profit and curb their competition!

  10. Re:Who the fuck cares? by Threni · · Score: 4, Funny

    In little more than a blink of an eye we're going to experience the heat-death of the universe, where there will never be anything - ever, anywhere - again. And you want to talk about kids?

  11. Re:Not my words by Mabhatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft has a near monopoly on Business servers.... Swingline sells a lot of Red Staplers too. Smead sells a lot of hanging file folders. 3M sells a lot of stickie squares.... Lots of companies have very profitable, near monopolies... But they aren't interesting to Wall Street anymore.

    Microsoft has sold just about as many copies of Windows as they can.. On every possible platform. The only place they GROW is in XBox living room machines... But that's a really crowded market that the players are just taking different sizes of pie.... There's NO NEW PIE being created. Apple and Google and Amazon are creating new KINDS of pie ... Microsoft isn't.

  12. Re:Who the fuck cares? by rwyoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think banning humans would go a long way to solving the world's problems.

    Skynet? Is that you?

  13. Re:Who the fuck cares? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    only a fucking moron says this.

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  14. Re:Who the fuck cares? by jbonomi · · Score: 2

    I'm drunk too, man. Merry Christmas!

  15. What ever happened to IBM? by symbolset · · Score: 2

    Oh, yeah. Nobody ever thinks about IBM anymore. Even though they're about to knock Microsoft off their perch as "third largest technology company by market capitalization." IBM probably likes it that way.

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