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YouTube Drops 2 Billion Fake Music Industry Views

An anonymous reader writes "YouTube has dropped 2 billion fake music industry views and their offending videos. From the article: 'Google made good on its promise to weed out views inflated by artificial means last week, according to Daily Dot. Record company sites impacted included titans like Universal Music Group, which reportedly lost 1 billion of its 7 billion views, and Sony, who lost 850 million views. The cuts affected marquee names like Rhianna, Beyonce and Justin Bieber. YouTube said in a statement that the figures had been deliberately, artificially inflated. 'This was not a bug or a security breach. This was an enforcement of our view count policy,' the company, which is owned by Google, wrote.'"

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  1. Great by sheehaje · · Score: 5, Funny

    My band went from 72 views to 5. Damn you Google!

    1. Re:Great by leuk_he · · Score: 4, Informative

      FAKE!.

      below 300 views youtube does not care too much about the views.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI

    2. Re:Great by sheehaje · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be a shameless plug, which is a never done on Slashdot... and besides, that post was my attempt at self-deprecating humor. I see it's mostly failed so far.

  2. *phew* by alphatel · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Gangnam Style was not affected", thank goodness, I didn't want to watch it another billion times!

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    1. Re:*phew* by OhPlz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'd be funny if it was since it was the showcase of Youtube's year in review 2012 video.

    2. Re:*phew* by AndyKron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "NASA Johnson Style" ("Gangnam Style" Parody) was not affect either. Thank goodness! I could even watch it a billion more times! http://youtu.be/zulxSCb4ZVk

  3. What if Google is wrong? by Piata · · Score: 5, Informative

    My brother is a local film maker in a small town and he got his demo reel pulled from Youtube for "artificially inflating views". Naturally my brother is a little confused by this as he's not savvy enough about the internet to even know how to do such things. Obviously he didn't go to his video and hit refresh a couple thousand times and it's possible some of his friends did but that's not his doing.

    The worst part is he's left no recourse. Google pulled the video and warned that if another of his videos sees the same artifically inflated views, his account would be banned so now he's looking at Vimeo as an alternative.

    1. Re:What if Google is wrong? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      I had a similar experience months ago with a false positive on their copyright-enforcement system. There is no effective appeal, as the system is so heavily automated. I tried contacting them, but never was able to get a reply, even after a few attempts. I just stopped posting videos on youtube. They are on my own personal website now, but without the youtube social promotion system they aren't going to get many views.

      Just my dabblings in video restoration and blowing fruit up with a capacitor bank.

    2. Re:What if Google is wrong? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Welcome to the world of Google. Don't be evil (if you're not us).

      You guys would be a bit more convincing if you posted with real examples. Most times when I follow up on this kind of thing I find that actually, in fact, the person obviously was doing whatever Google accused them of. In the few exceptional cases they seem to get their stuff back. There is nothing going on like Microsoft handing over blogger names to the Chinese authorities so that they get tortured into silence. Please feel free to convince us otherwise with evidence other than the stuff Facebook faked to try to discredit Google.

      N.B. I'm not saying Google is particularly good. They just seem to be another bunch of normal people trying to muddle it through.

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    3. Re:What if Google is wrong? by alphatel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So your brother gets a ban for an unaccountable 500 hits, but Sony gets nothing for a billion? Welcome to corporate whoring.

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    4. Re:What if Google is wrong? by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't pull videos for inflating views, but nice try on your full of shit post in the first place. If this weren't a troll, you'd link to a video. Then again, it is a troll. The "google is evil, I'm going to the alternatives, see y'all" trollpost.

      The view inflation is not about hitting refresh on a video either - it's more like that the companies in question were paying people to actually artificially inflate views. You could have trolled better.

    5. Re:What if Google is wrong? by Sulphur · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had a similar experience months ago with a false positive on their copyright-enforcement system. There is no effective appeal, as the system is so heavily automated. I tried contacting them, but never was able to get a reply, even after a few attempts. I just stopped posting videos on youtube. They are on my own personal website now, but without the youtube social promotion system they aren't going to get many views.

      Just my dabblings in video restoration and blowing fruit up with a capacitor bank.

      Does Gallagher have the copyright on that?

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    6. Re:What if Google is wrong? by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Welcome to the online world, where the actual reason someone gets banned has absolutely nothing to do with why they claim they got banned.

      If you havent seen it a zillion times even just on slashdot (stories saying "I GOT BANNED FOR X, NOT FAIR" that are completely bogus), then you havent been paying attention.

    7. Re:What if Google is wrong? by Shark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh oh... I post example of work done on my milling machine. The horrible whine sound of the spindle definitely could be interpreted as RIAA copyrighted material, especially given the talent of pop singers lately.

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    8. Re:What if Google is wrong? by codewarren · · Score: 3, Funny

      Easy: here's mine that was removed

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReM0v3dVid

      It now says it is "unavailable". Can you believe that? All because I said this Halibut was good enough for Jehovah!

    9. Re:What if Google is wrong? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative
    10. Re:What if Google is wrong? by Nyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Easy: here's mine that was removed

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReM0v3dVid

      It now says it is "unavailable". Can you believe that? All because I said this Halibut was good enough for Jehovah!

      Wait, we can post videos that offend people? And I am just finding out about this now?

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  4. Same old tactics by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the day it was payola to radio djs and buying back your own records in the stores.

    Now it's scripted youtube visits.

    Same tactics from the producers, but also same behavior from consumers who have to know if something is popular before adopting it.
    I suggest not looking at counters when choosing stuff for yourself.

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    1. Re:Same old tactics by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Same tactics from the producers, but also same behavior from consumers who have to know if something is popular before adopting it.
      I suggest not looking at counters when choosing stuff for yourself.

      But millions of people look at what's popular when choosing what to buy, and they can't all be wrong, right?

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    2. Re:Same old tactics by ultrasawblade · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The people that look at what's popular to buy seem to comprise of thirty/fourtysomething females who are out of touch with pop culture and want to rejoin it after not having young kids consume every moment of their time, and a certain class of young usually small- to mid-town teenage girls. The older women want to indulge in something that seems younger and fresher, and the younger girls want to indulge in something that seems more "adult" - and this fits that bill perfectly I guess.

      No one else buys into this shit, not that I know of. As a male growing up in the 90's I've NEVER understood the term "popular music" because no one I know listens to it or follows it. Were I live now the "Top 40" radio station is among the lowest rated. Yet it stays alive.

  5. Joe Jobbing of the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That suggests a way to suppress videos that some object to. Just pump them up by a few thousand with obviously faked views and let Google pull the video and ban the account.

    1. Re:Joe Jobbing of the future? by Piata · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep. In his case, he felt the competition might be trying to make him disapear. He occassionaly films weddings (which like most wedding services, is completely cut throat) or does videos for the city (which involves bidding on contracts) so if someone out there feels slighted or envious, they can get your video pulled with enough effort.

    2. Re:Joe Jobbing of the future? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's his job, then he should seriously consider getting his own web site to host his videos for exactly this reason. YouTube can drop your videos for whatever reason they want. This is exactly the reason why you shouldn't rely on a third party who you aren't paying to help you do business. Similar thing happened for Facebook. They used to send your message out to everybody for free. Now they want to charge you to reach 100% of your subscribers. If you had just built up your own following on your own website, you wouldn't have any of these kinds of problems. Sure it costs more money up front, but nobody can come and take away the service from you without any warning.

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  6. Re:-Conflicted by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well if you can't blame them for being dishonest, what does that say about *your* character, or lack of it?

  7. Not so many Bieber fans after all... by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The cuts affected marquee names like Rhianna, Beyonce and Justin Bieber."

    This restores a tiny bit of my faith in humanity. Now if we could just get confirmation that 90% of the people watching "Here Comes Honey Boo-boo" are bots too...

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    1. Re:Not so many Bieber fans after all... by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now if we could just get confirmation that 90% of the people watching "Here Comes Honey Boo-boo" are bots too...

      They ARE mindless robots. Just that they're the flesh and blood kind, so they still get pageviews.

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  8. Unsurprising by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The brand managers who commission stuff like this are typically inexperienced, low-paid and overworked. They don't know what the fuck they are doing but they know they've got to get it done quickly and for next to no money. You'd be shocked at how low the budgets they have to work with are for digital stuff - sure, drop a couple of hundred grand on a music video to promote their latest single, but good luck getting more than ten grand for a website that they'll be using for years. They also have the habit of following the crowd and simply using the suppliers and techniques their colleagues use. So it doesn't surprise me that a few of them decided to use cheap off-shored clicks to inflate their results, or that once a few of them did it, it spread like wildfire within their ranks.

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  9. Re:YES! by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure you are getting this. Google suing should be the least of these people's worries. From AFA linked from TFA:

    Google says that these companies violated its terms of services, which prohibits automated methods of inflating view counts

    If they have been faking 1/8th of their viewership, then that was artificially increasing their apparent influence and so share price. The SEC should be coming around damn soon now if a shareholder would just make a complaint.

    Now that would be sweet.

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  10. How about weeding out infringing material? by mumblestheclown · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know, -1 Flamebait, but ...

    has anybody here every seriously looked at the process to report and have removed infringing material from youtube? if you try, the first thing google/youtube does is basically threaten you with jail and worse if you dont happen to be the copyright holder. they make it as slow and painful as possible though probably within what is allowed by law. why? google has a vested interest in keeping the pirated material on there.

    it would take me all of one day at most to find over 1000 movies just with the search "full movie", each of which has a view count of 10,000+. Google could too, but they have no interest in this. They play this game where they pretend they are some innocent service, and of course meanhwhile providing de facto anonymity to serial uploaders (anybody even ONCE prosecuted for uploading pirated stuff? at worst it's "account suspended, make a new one homer jo jo junior shabadoo"). meanwhile, google collects HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in ad revenue on infringing material. Oh, and when something is pointed out to be infringing, does google contact the rightsholder and offer them a the money or at least a split? you must be joking.

    If youtube were anything but a giant company armed with masses of lawyers *and didnt enjoy the popular support of those below who find it useful and who are about to make all sorts of yesbuts and rationalizations, it would have been shut down for conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement a long time ago.

    yes, i find it useful too. but i'm under no illusions that the system is any way a fair to the rightsholders off of whom youtube is making massive profits especially during that delay between upload and takedown.

    again - actually try the takedown process before you flame away. it's diabolical.

  11. Article is wrong by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to Billboard most of the 2 Billion views were removed because the videos were moved off the channel. Only a few million views were removed because of spamming. Basically the views were moved from the UMG channel to the Vevo channel. http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/945498-shin-megami-tensei-persona-4/faqs/53550

  12. Re:YES! by sirlark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Assuming there's advertising revenue involved in the views as well, artificially inflating your count would constitute fraud wouldn't it. No need for a shareholder complaint.

  13. Re:-Conflicted by SternisheFan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Okay, I found this using my google magic...

    An individual who finds lost property does not acquire absolute ownership of the property. In order to obtain title to, or rights in, the lost property, the finder must intentionally take possession and control over it.

    The individual who acquires possession of a lost or mislaid article has superior rights to the item over anyone except the true owner. This person is only the apparent owner. The finder's title to the property may be forfeited upon discovery of the true owner, whose title in it is unaffected by the fact that the article has been lost. A finder's title is contingent upon the potential discovery of the true owner. He or she may not, therefore, transfer title to another individual.

    If the true owner of lost property dies before his or her identity is discovered, the title and right to the lost article passes to the executor or administrator of the owner's estate for distribution to his or her heirs pursuant to the terms of his or her will or the laws of Descent and Distribution.

    As between the finder of treasure trove and its true owner, the true owner prevails. It has been held, however, that the finder of treasure trove has greater rights to it than the heirs of the individual who concealed it.

    The true owner of lost property is responsible for paying all reasonable expenses incurred by a finder in the discovery and preservation of lost property. The finder may also be entitled to a small compensation for his or her time and effort; however, the finding party does not acquire a lien against the property. The finder cannot receive reimbursement for his or her expenses and time with use of the property, nor is the individual entitled to a reward for finding it unless one has been offered.

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Finding+Lost+Goods

  14. Re:YES! by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why not both? Two great tastes, taste great together!

  15. Article wrong. by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article at the top is wrong. Sony didn't lose 850 million views. Sony youtube channel lost views because sony moved all its vidoes off its youtube channel. They were moved to the Vimio youtube channel. Google did some housekeeping and removed channel views if the video is no longer there. Video views were not effected. Only about 1.5 million views were removed because of spammy sites that start a video when you first access the page.

  16. Re:YES! by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, get them for defrauding advertisers, who assume the views are legit and pay money for them.