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Smart Guns To Stop Mass Killings

New submitter Bugs42 writes "CNN.com has an opinion piece on the possibility of cramming guns full of computers and sensors to disable them in certain buildings or around children. The author, in true mainstream media fashion, completely fails to see any possible technical problems with this. Quoting: 'How might this work? Start with locational "self-awareness." Guns should know where they are and if another gun is nearby. Global positioning systems can meet most of the need, refining a gun's location to the building level, even within buildings. Control of the gun would remain in the hand of the person carrying it, but the ability to fire multiple shots in crowded areas or when no other guns are present would be limited by software that understands where the gun is being used. Guns should also be designed to sense where they are being aimed. Artificial vision and optical sensing technology can be adapted from military and medical communities. Sensory data can be used by built-in software to disable firing if the gun is pointed at a child or someone holding a child."

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  1. Re:What could possibly go wrong... by jerpyro · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree. Also, was I the only person to think 'Judge Dredd' when I read it?

  2. The purpose of the second amendment by spikenerd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Arguments about the second amendment used to revolve around whether guns keep us free. These days, however, they're all about whether guns keep us safe. Something significant has already been lost, even if we still have the right to bear arms.

  3. Unbelievable... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 5, Informative

    The anti-firearms hysteria needs to stop. This reminds me of when Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray, so a bunch of dead stingrays started showing up everywhere because people suddenly thought of them as being too dangerous to have around. Yeah, firearms can kill people. So can a bunch of other things.

    There are three times as many automobile related fatalities each year as firearms related fatalities:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/05/Federal-Gov-Annual-Auto-Related-Deaths-Three-Times-Higher-Than-Gun-Related-Deaths

    Even better, there are more people killed with hammers and clubs than with firearms:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/03/FBI-More-People-Killed-With-Hammers-and-Clubs-Each-Year-Than-With-Rifles

    So why the fuck are we going after people who own firearms?

    First they came for the NRA,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't an NRA member.

    (Yeah, I invoked Godwin's Law, so what.)

    Also, in Afghanistan it is not unheard of for "enemy combatants" (we can't call them terrorists anymore) to carry kids while they are on the battlefield, either for the purpose of preventing themselves from being shot at, or propaganda ("Look at these baby killers! They must die in the name of allah!") That goes to show you what people are capable of. If firearms were disabled in a similar manner in domestic situations, only it happened automatically, I imagine that would come home as well.

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  4. Re:What could possibly go wrong... by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Informative

    From CNN, what did you expect?

    First, it's an opinion article. Second, Editor's note: Jeremy Shane, who served in the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration. It's right there under the headline. Heeeeere's your sign.

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  5. Re:Two questions by fiordhraoi · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you can purchase illegal drugs, the odds are that you can purchase an illegal firearm. And I don't doubt that videos and how-to guides would begin circulating on the internet for people to find, the same way that you can find bomb-making instructions today. That said, you're absolutely right about the number of incidents - while mass shootings are horrible, they're also a statistical anomaly. To use the standard "how unlikely" comparison - 543 people have died in US mass shootings since 1982. The US averages about 90 lightning strikes per year. So over those 30 years, that's 2700 lightning deaths. So you're about 5 times more likely to get killed by lightning.

  6. Re:Or inceasing the cost of ammo? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's cute how people think stuff like this would work.

    Black markets don't only trade in illegal goods.

    In Soviet Russia (ha!) and similar environments, if anyone wanted to know the real value of any good or product, they checked the black market prices.

  7. Re:Or inceasing the cost of ammo? by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    It works better as a joke, because making your own bullets is pretty easy to do (pretty much trivially so if you have the equipment, which isn't hard to get).

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  8. Re:Nothing related to guns can be considered "smar by Zordak · · Score: 4, Informative

    He was incarcerated and killed for his beliefs. Funny how all those pro-gun people who trot out the "we need to defend ourselves agaisnt the government" revile Mcveigh rather than actually look up to him for doing exactly what they claim they need their guns for!

    Wow, this is truly one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life. Timothy McVeigh was incarcerated and "killed" (as you put it) for murdering 168 innocent people. He was not defending himself or his beliefs. He was not engaged in combat. He just drove a bomb up and killed them. That is not something people should "look up to him" for. I would assume you're a troll if you had posted AC. Since you logged in, perhaps you are just crazy?

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  9. Re:Oh, now this is fucking brilliant by Calibax · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a counter argument, about a year ago a bystander with a gun killed an off-duty ATF agent who was struggling with a pharmacy robbery suspect who had a gun. The bystander thought he was shooting the bad guy, but he shot and killed a 20-year Federal agent who had a wife and two kids and was at the pharmacy to pick up cancer drugs for his dad. Then a cop killed the suspect.

    Intervening After Robbery, an Off-Duty A.T.F. Agent Is Killed

  10. Re:The problem never seems to be the guns.... by PhxBlue · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because it is impossible to do it with knives or more likely gas bombs or half a dozen other things any of us could easily think of?

    In China a week or two ago, a man attacked schoolchildren with a knife. He injured about 20 or so. No one died.

    In the last 20 years, 13 people have died from gas bombs. Five people died from biological attacks in that same amount of time. Care to guess how many people have been killed by guns?

    So thanks for making my point. It's not impossible to kill someone with other tools, but it's nowhere near as convenient.

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  11. Re:Nothing related to guns can be considered "smar by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's say you're a 75 year old woman, weigh maybe 90 pounds. You live alone. you don't walk or sleep so good anymore. You live down town in a major city in the south. A 300 pound thug breaks into your home. By the way he's a convicted rapist.

    It's funny because a very noisy, home invasion type crime such is this is the only scenario to my mind where the right to keep a gun in your home is any use.

    The problem is that it hardly ever happens in the manner you describe. What actually happens is that the guy knocks on the door, old lady answers it and is then taken by surprise and subdued. As she was surprised a gun would only help if she was carrying it in her hand and only if she could keep some distance between her and her attacker which is unlikely.

    This to my mind is always the problem with the idea of guns as a method of preventing crime: criminals generally prefer to rob you on the quiet when you are out or to ambush you in such a way that nothing you can do (even if you are carrying a gun) will help you or put them at any risk.

    Guns are not really much of an advantage in a hand to hand combat scenario. They only really come into their own when at ranges greater than a few feet.

    I would be interested to know whether the amount of crimes they prevent actually balance the number of car jackings they make much easier (without a gun in your hand convincing someone not to just run you over would strike me as difficult) .

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  12. Re:Or inceasing the cost of ammo? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

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    Chris Rock did a joke once where he said we should just add a $5,000 tax on bullets. So each bullet would be over $5,000.00. The way it goes,
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    Yeah, it's a joke but that is how I see guns being defacto regulated: taxes.

    Last century but one, this was tried with printers' ink.

    Supreme Court ruled that you couldn't infringe a Constitutional Right via onerous taxation....

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  13. Re:Nothing related to guns can be considered "smar by wtansill · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sorry, but that study (and the one by Kellerman) have been pretty thoroughly debunked. If you want so good statistics, see the Kleck and Gertz study:

    http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

    Also, read the book More Guns Less Crime, by Professor John Lott.

    Statistics aside, I have the moral right and duty to protect myself from unwarranted aggression. This right was recognized in the middle ages as existing independently of any government, and was codified in the English Bill of rights, which was one source of inspiration for our own Second Amendment. That a gun helps me in that effort is indisputable.

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