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NIH Neuroscientists: Junior Seau Had Brain Disease Caused By Hits To the Head

McGruber writes "ABC News/ESPN broke the story that a team of scientists from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) analyzed the brain tissue of renowned NFL linebacker Junior Seau and have concluded that the football player suffered a debilitating brain disease likely caused by two decades worth of hits to the head. From the article: 'In May 2012, Seau, 43 — football's monster in the middle, a perennial all-star and defensive icon in the 1990s whose passionate hits made him a dominant figure in the NFL — shot himself in the chest at his home in Oceanside, Calif., leaving behind four children and many unanswered questions.' As Slashdot earlier reported, more than 30 NFL players have in recent years been diagnosed with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a condition once known as 'punch drunk' because it affected boxers who had taken multiple blows to the head."

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  1. Concusion detection tech by toadlife · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There exist sensors that can be placed into the helment and detect hits that are potentially damaging. The cost is actually nominal. The NFL should make these mandatory.

    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2011/January/Helmet-Device-Could-Help-in-Concussion-Detection/

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    1. Re:Concusion detection tech by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They should remove the damn helmets and pads. The reason you get the huge hits is because of them. People hit harder because you have 'protection'. Which leads to worse injuries. It's like asking someone to run into a wall. If you run into the wall with a helmet you're going to hit harder because the bits that you can feel don't hurt as much but there is still internal damage. Compared to running straight into a wall unprotected. It's going to hurt your forehead probably before it hurts the brain.

      I'd love to see the same results from career Rugby players.

    2. Re:Concusion detection tech by djlemma · · Score: 2

      What would the sensors actually accomplish? I'm just curious- it seems like they would be great for gathering data about how harmful the sport already is, but do you propose that mandatory in-game penalties should be imposed for hitting or being hit too hard? Mandatory player rest periods after hits? Maximum number of impacts per season?

      If it's used something like a dosimeter, where once a player got so many hits he would have to be sidelined, then I suppose a lot more linebackers would get to play in the NFL... They'd have to keep a steady supply.

    3. Re:Concusion detection tech by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I play Rugby. I've torn both ACLs. I've had numerous other injuries. But when you knock heads with someone there are

      In a similar manner to how the people with congenital insensitivity to pain end up with more damage to their body because they have no pain feedback. Your brain has no internal pain receptors. It's why they can perform awake open brain surgeries. But you do have an extensive network of pain nerves all over your skull. By mitigating the pain the rest of the skull feels (with helmets) you're preventing the body from knowing when it is starting to damage the brain.

    4. Re:Concusion detection tech by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People make this argument against cushioned running shoes too (now that barefoot is the big thing) and I find it completely nonsensical. I can easily see where the padding might make you increase your activity to negate the padding, but I do not see that you would increase it so much as to be worse off than if the padding were not there. In the absence of data we are just playing thought experiments. If there is data that airbags, anti-lock brakes, or 4wd make cars less safe to due to overconfidence, that would be relevant.

    5. Re:Concusion detection tech by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you, I was going to reply with the same. Prior to the modern NFL players wore leather on their heads or nothing at all, and as someone who played pro rugby for 1 year myself, while it is more common for a rugby player to end up with a more severe injury, they dont happen as often. The gear worn by NFL players gives them a false sense of security, and as such they hit harder. If you have an exposed head, you are less likely to use your head as an attack point, something that NFL players do pretty much every play.

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    6. Re:Concusion detection tech by Desler · · Score: 5, Informative
    7. Re:Concusion detection tech by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep. Just like you see all the time in Rugby... except you don't. Rugby Injuries: A Review of Concepts and Current Literature. If you count actual injuries per 1000 hours of playing time professional Rugby has fewer injuries than the NFL.

      And given a choice between a broken bone and permanent brain damage, I'll take the broken bone.

    8. Re:Concusion detection tech by Desler · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thank you for what? Spreading bullshit? Concussions are a major issue in Rugby.

    9. Re:Concusion detection tech by gangien · · Score: 2

      Do you understand why they added protection in the first place? It's the same with all those stupid macho arguments about football players wearing all that protection while rugby players don't and therefore are manly.

      here's the spoiler. it's because people died. Football is a collision sport, that is different from rugby and hockey, even though they certainly have some high speed collisions, it is not as constant.

    10. Re:Concusion detection tech by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2

      When your car starts to oversteer on a slippery surface, the very *last* thing you want to do is brake.

      You need traction on the road to keep the car under control, and 4WD gives you 2 more surfaces that can transfer power from the engine to the road.

      On a long hydroplane...you're pretty much screwed, but if you skip over a wet surface and end up on the tarmac at an angle to your vector, 4WD will help getting the car straight again.

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    11. Re:Concusion detection tech by Americium · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's less, but not by much.

      11.3% for high school rugby

      15.3% for high school football

      Professional injuries don't bother me nearly as much as the amount of injuries that occur in high school and even earlier. I don't see how you could reasonable argue that either concussion rate is acceptable at all, and the uncertainties in these studies actually overlap.

    12. Re:Concusion detection tech by G-Man · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Runners who use minimalist/no shoes generally use a forefoot/midfoot strike (the ball of the foot hits the ground first), while those with thickly padded shoes are usually heel-strikers.

      Heel strikers tend to run more upright, with the heel landing well forward of the runner's center of gravity, while fore/midfoot strikers lean more foreward, with the foot landing almost under the CG. It's like you are always just 'falling forward', with your feet catching you from falling on your face. It takes some getting used to, but the effect is much lower impact than heel striking.

      The reasoning is twofold: 1) If your foot lands well forward of your CG, you are effectively retarding your forward progress and increasing the force traveling up your legs, and 2) By striking with the heel, you remove the flexing of the foot and calf muscles as a shock absorber, and the force travels directly up the leg - right up into your knee. The padding in the heel of the shoe (and it's always the heels that are heavily padded) don't make up for the loss of the foot/calf system as a shock absorber.

      You can run using a fore/midfoot strike with a thickly padded shoe, but the thick heel just seems to get in the way.

    13. Re:Concusion detection tech by broen · · Score: 5, Informative

      11.3 concussions per 100 player-seasons.

      15.3% players sustained concussions per season.

      These numbers are not comparable.

    14. Re:Concusion detection tech by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      Not all accidents are caused by something the driver did.

      None of them are, in fact. Accidents are always caused by something the other driver did.

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    15. Re:Concusion detection tech by Radtastic · · Score: 2

      Exactly this. If anyone wants a great read, check out :The Big Scrum: How Teddy Roosevelt Saved Football

      FTS: "In its infancy during the late nineteenth century, the game of football was still a work in progress that only remotely resembled the sport millions follow today. There was no common agreement about many of the game’s basic rules, and it was incredibly violent and extremely dangerous. An American version of rugby, this new game grew popular even as the number of casualties rose. Numerous young men were badly injured and dozens died playing football in highly publicized incidents, often at America’s top prep schools and colleges."

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    16. Re:Concusion detection tech by Swampash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fundamental difference is that - as sports of strategy - rugby football is real-time while American football is turn-based.

      Rugby is far more improvisational while American football is far more orchestrated. That's not to say that rugby can't have set plays and that American football can't be spontaneous, but I think the generalisation is accurate. That also means that rugby players are more jacks-of-all-trades and American football players are specialists.

      The fastest guy on a rugby football team also has to be able to make and shrug off tackles and (pardon the arcane terminology) clean out at rucks; the biggest guy on a rugby team also has to be able to run and catch and pass and kick. Possession can change in an instant. In rugby you have to be able to go from playing offense to defense and back at the drop of a hat and for long uninterrupted passages of play without a whistle going. A rugby player has to be able to do a bit of every other player's job if circumstances require.

      In American football every step, every pass, every hit is planned out and prepared for in advance and the positions and responsibilities are far more specialised. The offensive teams specialise in offense, the defensive teams in defense, and the special teams in kicking plays. Large numbers of complex pre-planned plays have to be memorised. A top-level punt returner would probably make a top-level rugby winger - each the fastest man on his team - look laughably slow. A defensive tackle would probably make a rugby prop - each the heaviest strongest man on his team - look frickin' anorexic.

      The notion of taking a rest on the sideline while a specialist team takes its turn on the field is alien shit to a rugby player. Similarly the notion of the biggest guy on the field spontaneously making a run down the sideline (entirely on his own initiative, without ever having discussed it with his teammates or coaches) before getting smashed by the fastest guy on the other team is a scenario that seems just as alien to an American footballer.

      TLDR? Basically rugby is Starcraft while American football is Civilization.

    17. Re:Concusion detection tech by bogjobber · · Score: 2

      In rugby, 11.3 concussions occur per 100 players, per season. No information on how those concussions were distributed among the players.

      In football, 15.3% of players sustained concussions per season. No information on how many concussions each of those players, on average or in total, sustained.

      Being concussed once *drastically* raises the likelihood that you will be concussed again. It is extremely likely that far fewer than 11.3% of rugby players sustain a concussion each season, and also extremely likely that football players incur far more than 15.3 concussions per 100 player-seasons. The numbers are not comparable.

    18. Re:Concusion detection tech by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      ... system of downs, the snap, the clock, the overtime rules, the shape of the ball, the field goal kick, the position of the goal posts, blocking...

      ...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

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  2. Obligatory SMBC by djlemma · · Score: 4, Funny
  3. Re:Phut Bawh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    football

    I think you meant to type "handegg".

  4. In Fine Slashdot Traditon by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fine Slashdot tradition, let's hear from 52 people telling us that correlation does not imply causation and that only people with brain trauma or predisposed to it play football.

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    1. Re:In Fine Slashdot Traditon by Jmc23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. It takes an idiot to not understand it, just like any other activity humans participate in.

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    2. Re:In Fine Slashdot Traditon by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      In fine Slashdot tradition, let's hear from 52 people telling us that correlation does not imply causation and that only people with brain trauma or predisposed to it play football.

      Negative. I put it to you: Natural Selection will eventually correct for this. We pay them a lot, the star players are sexually and socially desirable.

      Eventually we'll grow thicker skulls and/or our brains will shrink to contain more fluid, much like a wood pecker's... Much in the same way that "tall dark and handsome" has lead to taller darker and more sexy humans... Now if we could just get on board with crotchless pants, all guys could finally grow giant cocks.

  5. didn't shoot himself in the head? by schlachter · · Score: 2

    Interesting that he didn't shoot himself in the head. I wonder if that was a calculated move so that scientists could examine his brain to find the cause of his debilitating brain injuries?

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    1. Re:didn't shoot himself in the head? by Desler · · Score: 2

      Yes, it was.

    2. Re:didn't shoot himself in the head? by PlastikMissle · · Score: 2

      Seeing that he donated his brain to science before he killed himself, I think that's a fair assessment.

    3. Re:didn't shoot himself in the head? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Could be. According to Wikipedia, "Seau's death recalled the 2011 suicide of former NFL player Dave Duerson, who shot himself in the chest and left a suicide note requesting that his brain be studied for brain trauma.[31][32]" That could be where he got the idea. Seau didn't leave a note, though.

    4. Re:didn't shoot himself in the head? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 2

      Another less famous player died in the same manner, but I believe he left a note saying to study his brain. Since this was in the same manner, it was believed Seau was trying to say the same thing.

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  6. Re:Go figure. by KillDaBOB · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I hope your son never plays soccer beyond the Recreational level. Part of the game is heading the ball, which can travel quite fast. It may be a very light ball compared to other sports, but remember your physics lessons: it doesn't matter what it weighs if it's moving fast enough. Pro soccer players (the linked article is about a pro sport, yeah?) often have brain damage from taking hundreds of shots to the noggin from a ball traveling 60+ mph; and that's the low end of a kick, there are players who can kick for 80+ mph, and a few who claim 90+ mph.
    I think you're suffering from a condition called "over-protective parent disorder." ALL sports have risk involved. Some more than others, yes, but the two examples you give are also dangerous. ACL/MCL tears and ankle problems (along with the above example) are major parts of soccer. Swimming? Drowning doesn't seem to be very fun- and yes, it does happen.

  7. Re:It's even in the same paragraph this time! by MichaelusWF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boxing used to be one of the biggest sports in the US, now it's a Vegas sideshow, and the whole "beating people retarded" problem is a pretty big reason why. It's not that people are ignoring boxing's problems, it's that they've already addressed them and the popularity of the sport has plummeted as a result. Most people don't want to box, it's hard to find people willing to fight for a pittance in return for guaranteed brain damage. (Note, by comparison, the popularity of MMA, which does not rely purely on knockouts to win -- you can still give someone brain damage, but it's not literally the only or even the easiest path to victory) Football, on the other hand, is something that a lot of people play starting as young as grade school. I've never seen a grade school boxing league, but I see ads for peewee football signups every year.

  8. Re:Go figure. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    heading in soccer also causes brain damage.

    Banging one's head against the desk when some idiot posts a convoluted edge case as a rebuttal to a general argument probably also causes brain damage, hypertension, blurred vision and damaged keyboards.

    I should probably quit doing it.

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  9. Re:Simpler, cheaper solution by MarkvW · · Score: 2

    You don't want to take that trip in the way-back machine to the early years of football. They almost banned the sport at the college level because so many kids were getting killed.

  10. Re:It's even in the same paragraph this time! by Radres · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet golf had unsurpassed popularity when Tiger Woods took over, and the predominantly white hockey still lags behind the other pro sports like football, basketball, and baseball.

  11. Re:Only The Brain? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Too bad the family didn't have doctors study what years of (alleged) steroid abuse did to him. Easier to point the finger at someone else, I suppose.

    Don't need to, there's already a control group for that - baseball players.

    All the same steroid abuse as the NFL, minus the repeated head injuries.

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  12. Re:Phut Bawh by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 2

    This has nothing to do with statism. Conscientious parents simply aren't going to let their kids go out for football. Who wants to set their kids up for a lifetime of this - particularly if it increases their likelihood of an early death, of suicide, violence off the field or debilitating mental illness?

    Why does everything have to be a political argument? This mostly has to do with being humane. If you wouldn't want this to happen to yourself or your loved ones, why would you pay to see it happen to somebody else?

  13. We have the technology, this should be easy! by Agent0013 · · Score: 2

    What we need to do is remove the skull of football players and put more padding around the brain. There would be a new permanent skull-helmet placed over the brain-padding to protect from cuts and sharp edges. I'm sure all the football players will look rather strange with giant heads, but we would get used to it after a short while. On the plus side for the players, they will be very easy to recognize out in public, so their fame will go up even more.

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  14. Re:Simpler, cheaper solution by crypTeX · · Score: 2

    Yes, but it was the rule changes instituted between 1905 and 1909 that brought down the injuries and deaths, not the introduction of modern padding. It used to really be trench warfare with gang tackling, no distance between the players at the start of each play, eye gouging, etc... I will grant that the number of injuries will not decline, but I would argue that the type of injuries will be different and easier to treat.

  15. Re:Phut Bawh by Applekid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does everything have to be a political argument? This mostly has to do with being humane. If you wouldn't want this to happen to yourself or your loved ones, why would you pay to see it happen to somebody else?

    Because for generations school funding had been diverted away from the fundamentals of an enriching education in favor of sanctioned sports. And as the public school system crumble with teachers and professionals alike saying we need to focus on education, our politicians gladly raise our taxes only for the windfall to again be mismanaged into non-priority academics.

    Best case is that it was blind loyalty to a stupid game of tribalism, worst case is that it's intentional to keep the cup rattling for more money.

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  16. Re:well... by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

    This research may also prove valuable for returning war veterans, who were exposed to concussive explosions repeatedly; which also causes long term brain injury.

  17. Re:Phut Bawh by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Frankly I wish they would dispense with the half-assed warfare of football, and bring back the gladiatorial games. Instead of mock battles over some stupid ball and goal posts, let's just move the game straight to big motherfuckers cutting each other to pieces. We can triple their pay, and they likely won't make it to 40, let alone to the point where they start suffering the ill effects of neurological damage.

    I mean, if these guys are going to end up brain damaged messes in the end anyways, why not just short circuit all of that and go for the blood. That's what audiences really want, anyways. I can just see Hank Williams Jr. shouting "It's time for Monday Night Slaughterhouse!"

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  18. Re:Phut Bawh by Hatta · · Score: 2

    We can only hope. Football is now scientifically proven to be more dangerous than marijuana. It's time to start sending football players to jail.

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  19. Pussies by skitchen8 · · Score: 2

    Coal miners get black lung, programmers get carpal tunnel, police officers get shot, firefighters run into burning buildings, truck drivers get in accidents. Want to know the one difference between that group of people that are subject to long term debilitating disease? We don't piss away millions of dollars and then complain we can't afford health care, because we didn't have millions of dollars to begin with. It is a risk of the job that you get paid insane amounts of money for, suck it up and quit wasting all your fucking money. I am a huge football fan but these guys are seriously the biggest crybaby pussies in the world.

  20. Re:Phut Bawh by Rakarra · · Score: 2

    Hang gliding, bungi jumping, sky diving, piloting private planes, piano-lifting, writing bad checks, Class B fireworks, running with scissors - what is it exactly that you want to do that our oppressive statist jack-booted government is preventing you from doing?

    Pretty sure he's talking about teh marijuana.

  21. eliminate substitution by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty much in the "eliminate helmets" camp, but also think that eliminating substitution, or requiring, say, 10 plays from scrimmage before a player can leave the field would help too. Right now, many players are on the field for one play and they know they'll be subbed out for the next play (different yards to first down or whatever), so they go all-out no matter what.
    If players had to control themselves so they could function for 10 straight plays, they might throttle back a bit. Plus it would force them to learn offense and defense, which I think would be a lot more interesting.

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  22. Re:Phut Bawh by Kelbear · · Score: 2

    I don't think there's as much "sport" in a gladitorial game as compared to our popular sporting events. If you're dealing lethal blows to one another, it takes only a momentary slip for a prime athlete to fall and high-level competition is diminished as a result of this loss.

    In Boxing and MMA, there are long slugging matches, but sometimes you have one clean shot that ends the match in the first round. I'm aware that vast amounts of training had gone into living up events into that one clean shot, but it makes for a spectator event that is harder to enjoy because the battle isn't played out for others to watch.

    It'll be harder to get invested in a gladiator if they only last for a couple rounds before an accidental slip ends their career.