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Researchers Study Mystery of the Toddler Who Won't Grow

kkleiner writes "Twenty-year-old Brooke Greenberg hasn't grown since age five. For the last 15 years, mystified doctors have been unable to explain the cause for Brooke's disorder that has kept her aging in check. At age twenty, she maintains the physical and mental appearance of a toddler. The researchers are now are painstakingly analyzing Brooke’s entire genome in search of unique mutations. Needless to say, it is a formidable undertaking. 'Cracking the code on Brooke’s condition,' [Dr. Eric Shadt] wrote, 'is the proverbial searching for a needle in a haystack, since likely there is one or a small number of letters changed in Brooke’s genome that has caused her condition.' To find the mutation Shadt and his team are using the latest genome sequencing and analysis tools. The strategy is to compare Brooke’s genome to the genomes of her parents and three normal sisters, as well as to other available sequences from the general population, and identify gene mutations that only Brooke has."

252 comments

  1. 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    4chan is going to love this one.

    1. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless I missed it, there's no indication that she mentally progressed past 5 years old. That might complicate her legality, and I can't believe I'm discussing this.

    2. Re:4chan by cod3r_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should be more concerned that you even caught what he meant.

    3. Re:4chan by erroneus · · Score: 2

      Not sure what you are talking about exactly... ... so ToGTFO and Pics or it didn't happen.

    4. Re:4chan by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      4chan is going to love this one.

      A 20-year-old with the mental makeup of a 5-year-old? I'm guessing she'd fit right in on 4chan.

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    5. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Erm, we might want to forego the usual procedure on this one

    6. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no no, a 20-year old with the body of a 5-year old.

      That means you can have the loli and not be taken away in the party van.

    7. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      However, it does mean she'll fit right in with the rest of the 4chan posters.

    8. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A five-year-old who has been five for the past fifteen years. There is no possible interpretation under which she isn't a minor.

    9. Re:4chan by icebike · · Score: 1

      Five?
      I have grand kids who at five were far more advanced than Brooke.
      They were walking, talking, going to the toilet on their own and could carry on a meaningful conversation.

      This kid is stalled out at less than two years of mental age. My god the diapers!!
      She can't come close to getting her own breakfast, let alone buy a beer.

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    10. Re:4chan by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      It's 4chan. what else could it mean?

    11. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, TFS does specifically claim "she maintains the physical and mental appearance of a toddler" (sic). So your concerns are valid, all right.

  2. Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wtf?

    1. Re:Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no matter how hard I try to picture her looking older, it just doesn't work!

    2. Re:Mental appearance? by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Informative

      Originally a term used in Jungian psychology to describe how one presents their consciousness (persona/image/self) to the outside world. In this context, it indicates that Brooke responds to the world in a manner appropriate for a 5-year-old.

    3. Re:Mental appearance? by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      first thing I thought too. Not sure what that means.

    4. Re:Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      opp opp OPPAN JUNGIAN STYLE

    5. Re:Mental appearance? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heeeeeeey psych. class ladies!

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    6. Re:Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      *cowboy hero-archetype dance*

    7. Re:Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans go through various stages of mental development and different methods for testing them. The details differ between different methods, but broadly speaking, they give similar results.

  3. think of the possible implications! by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perpetual kittens.

    1. Re:think of the possible implications! by nephilimsd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder what the long term effects of this condition might be. Is it possible to die of old age when you don't age?

    2. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      !growing != !aging

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    3. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likely yes, since the deterioration that comes from aging is due to genetic mutations that build up over time. Those mutations are probably going to keep happening whether or not the subject is developing properly.

    4. Re:think of the possible implications! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd be interested to see a telomere study. Physiologically she's four years old, but is she four at the cellular and genetic levels?

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    5. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if the claims of her regenerative capabilities are true...theoretical immortality. Which is in some respects is a terrifying prospect.

    6. Re:think of the possible implications! by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      !growing != !aging

      Sure, but the summary specifies that she doesn't age, so unless you know that's wrong, your point is kinda pointless.

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    7. Re:think of the possible implications! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Well... I guess we'll find out when she dies and the news makes it to Slashdot. Even then, I wouldn't bet on it amounting to much--the article said she had a stroke at an early age, and that's normally something that usually comes at a later age...

    8. Re:think of the possible implications! by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perpetual kittens.

      Normally, I'm against screwing around too much with nature. But goddamn that would be worth it!

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    9. Re:think of the possible implications! by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd be interested to see a telomere study. Physiologically she's four years old, but is she four at the cellular and genetic levels?

      According to this study, her telomeres match her chronological age, so she appears to be aging in that sense.

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    10. Re:think of the possible implications! by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      Good to know she merely the "fountain of youth" not the "fountain of immortality".

    11. Re:think of the possible implications! by deesine · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not in the summary or article, but wikipedia says her body is aging, with different parts aging at different rates. And that "her telomeres seem to be shortening at the normal rate."

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    12. Re:think of the possible implications! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Which means, whatever the apparent signs that she isn't aging, she is accruing genetic damage over time and will age at least in the cellular sense.

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    13. Re:think of the possible implications! by Rhacman · · Score: 2

      My greatest fear would be biological immortality coupled with the inability to take my own life if and when I should so choose. Could you imagine if a person like this was born into some fanatic religious sect? She'd be seen as some sort of diety or messenger from god.

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    14. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah we are nowhere near mature enough as a civilization for such a discovery. It would be like discovering nukes in the bronze age.

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    15. Re:think of the possible implications! by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strongly disagree. There are many people emotionally invested in accepting death but a cure to aging can't come soon enough.

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    16. Re:think of the possible implications! by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      As cats only live 10-20 years, locking them at age 5 would be more like perpetual middle-aged cats. :-)

    17. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management? Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under capitalism?

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    18. Re:think of the possible implications! by nschubach · · Score: 1

      So, does !growing == aging or does growing == !aging?

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    19. Re:think of the possible implications! by Bucc5062 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management? Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under fascism

      ftfy

      Capitalism left the building a while ago.

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    20. Re:think of the possible implications! by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      You're code must be awesome to look at.

    21. Re:think of the possible implications! by Macgrrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One would hope that if we found a way to significantly extend the human lifespan, people would become much more interested in conservation and issues like Global Warming, because they would potentially be around long enough to see the effects of their actions.

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    22. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're code must be awesome to look at.

      It's easier to read than your prose ;)

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    23. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Sure, but the summary specifies that she doesn't age, so unless you know that's wrong, your point is kinda pointless.

      Inferring that she doesn't age from "maintains the physical and mental appearance of a toddler" is a bit of a stretch.

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    24. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on, it's obvious, even for a toddler:

      (growing == aging && !growing == aging)

    25. Re:think of the possible implications! by bikin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not possible; Atomic Theory would have triggered the Modern Age, and besides Riflemen are enough to kick Spearmen ass.

    26. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought about that, but it assumes that an increase in lifespan would lead to an increase in long-term thinking. Many people already think too short-term for their immediate situation, never mind a currently-possible human lifespan.

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    27. Re:think of the possible implications! by killfixx · · Score: 2

      It would take a few generations of births without deaths before we came to understand this new-found sense of environmental responsibility.

      We haven't figured out what we're doing after how many millennia, what makes you think the first generation to become immortal would instantly come to this realization.

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    28. Re:think of the possible implications! by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Well, in one of the articles that's linked to by TFA, it gives the example that her bones seem to be aging slower than a normal person but faster than her appearance. It's in the paragraph below the video of this article.

      In any case, it seems she's had quite a few medical maladies and sometimes has shown remarkable power to recover. I bet the doctors working on her case are just salivating over the journal articles they'll be publishing once they figure anything out.

    29. Re:think of the possible implications! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Most adults no longer grow, but they still age.

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    30. Re:think of the possible implications! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the summary specifies that she doesn't age, so unless you know that's wrong, your point is kinda pointless.

      Inferring that she doesn't age from "maintains the physical and mental appearance of a toddler" is a bit of a stretch.

      That was what I got out of it as well. In fact, TFA says:

      In addition to possibly learning about the aging process and the secrets to longevity, Shadt thinks the anti-aging effects of the genes could be used to develop gene therapies or drugs to treat Alzheimer’s, heart disease or cancer.

      Which seemed to confirm what I thought I read.

      Sorry guys, I know reading TFA is bad form here... I'll try not to let it happen again.

    31. Re:think of the possible implications! by Normal+Dan · · Score: 1

      I doubt it would be as hellish as you make it out to be. I for one would love the opportunity to enjoy a severely long life. Unfortunately I seem to be in the majority here. It's frustrating because so many people seem to think it's such a horrible thing I fear progress is going far too slow to achieve any kind of immortality in my life time.

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    32. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Noes! Those evil capitalist bastards!
      Grow the fuck up. Unless you've got some alternative utopian scheme that *hasn't* been tried before, we're living in a veritable golden age. Lifespan has nearly doubled from a century ago, the downtrodden poor you're whining about live like kings vs a century ago, we have food enough to feed the world (logistics are a different matter).

    33. Re:think of the possible implications! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management? Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under capitalism?

      I guess that was supposed to be rhetorical since it's obvious such a thing would be only available to the 1% or some fraction of it like most high end medical care.

    34. Re:think of the possible implications! by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which would be better, I think.

      As a kitten, my cat was entirely too curious/fearless and once spent about 30 seconds inside a dryer before I figured out that "thump-whump-meow" is not the normal operation of said dryer, and also that my cat was missing. (Fortunately, aside from a slightly warm bum, the faint scent of fabric softener, and an 8-month-long fear of large white appliances, he was fine).

    35. Re:think of the possible implications! by peragrin · · Score: 2

      So somebody cloned her with temporal RNA and screwed it up?

      Does Jean Luc Picard know?

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    36. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      We're also living in a veritable gilded age, inequality is worse than the first gilded age, possibly worse than ever before in history.

      Many alternatives haven't been tried before, some aren't possible yet. Capitalism is the economic equivalent of savagery, it's just survival of the fittest. Advocate survival of the physically fittest and anyone will recognize it as savagery, advocate survival of the economically fittest and many see it as enlightened somehow. I think we can do better.

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    37. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not "a bit of a stretch". Progression of physical and mental maturation are the primary external indicators that we use to measure the aging process. The fact that she has not physically nor mentally developed past her 5th year is the entire reason the biological community is studying her apparent anti-aging condition.

    38. Re:think of the possible implications! by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      You got me there. Luckily the human English parser has fairly good error correction.

      No hard feelings, I was just struck by the visual of all the bangs.

    39. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the spawn of Satan.

    40. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Progression of physical and mental maturation

      The summary says physical appearance. Slashdot summaries being what they are, it seemed unwise to read that as anything deeper than that she's the same size as a child. TFA teases about ageing, but skirts going into any details.

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    41. Re:think of the possible implications! by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      I disagree. People have been saying we're not ready for almost every major technology that's ever been developed. We're not only still around, but prospering in a way any generation a couple steps back could never have imagined.

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    42. Re:think of the possible implications! by tacokill · · Score: 2

      I know you are joking but this is one my pet peeves.....
      What, exactly, do you mean by "screwing around with nature"? What do you see around you that is not "nature"?
      Are you suggesting that we don't intervene and utilize the world around us to better ourselves and our lives?

      Basically, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you use words like "nature" and "natural". Everything in the entire universe is natural. The word has no context when you say "we shouldn't mess with nature".

    43. Re:think of the possible implications! by tragedy · · Score: 2

      Some parts still grow. Cartilaginous structures like ears and noses are the main example. Fat cells also tend to stop growing in number, but can certainly grow in size.

    44. Re:think of the possible implications! by luther349 · · Score: 1

      didn't gary coleman have the same not again disorder and he died.

    45. Re:think of the possible implications! by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Heck, why can't they care about them now when their *children or grandchildren* will be around long enough to see the effects of their actions?

    46. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a movie about this recently.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637688/

    47. Re:think of the possible implications! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, actually it'd be a giant boon for capitalism: you'd have tons more potential workers and consumers out there. It'd suck for certain industries, like the pharma companies and certain sectors of the medical industry, but then again immortality would probably require constant medical procedures and medications to sustain it, much like a car needs constant maintenance and periodic part replacement to keep running in top shape, so they'd probably adapt.

      The only problem would be that the population would grow, but we don't lose that much population to death by old age anyway; our population is growing quickly, mainly in developing countries, because of a high birthrate, and immortality wouldn't affect this (unless they find a way to keep women fertile past the age of 45, which might be a separate problem). Moreover, practical immortality, as I said before, would probably require constant medical treatments of some kind, which might only be affordable to people in industrialized nations; these people generally don't have many kids anyway. And, if it allows people to work much longer and do better financially, it could help people in developing countries ascend out of poverty, and the most successful treatment for overpopulation found so far is getting people out of poverty: rich people don't have 10 kids.

      Personally, I think immortality would be a good thing for humanity, overall, though it would definitely cause some short-term problems and require some serious adjustment. Also note this this immortality would be very limited: you might not age any more (as long as you keep taking your anti-aging meds), but you're still going to die if you get hit by a bus or drown in a hurricane. The death rate in industrialized countries, especially the USA, will still be significant, because of all the people who get killed every year in auto accidents, and that's not going to change until we have some sort of automated transit system and humans aren't mostly driving themselves around.

    48. Re:think of the possible implications! by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      Perhaps, but reading this from TFS: " Brooke's disorder that has kept her aging in check." Seems to imply she isn't aging. Of course maybe my definition, and the summary's definition of "aging" differs from yours.

    49. Re:think of the possible implications! by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 2

      It's not in the summary or article, but wikipedia says her body is aging, with different parts aging at different rates. And that "her telomeres seem to be shortening at the normal rate."

      Wikipedia. To misquote the Simpsons, the source of - and solution to - all the internet debates.

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    50. Re:think of the possible implications! by flonker · · Score: 1

      !growing != !aging

      [...]

      No hard feelings, I was just struck by the visual of all the bangs.

      I don't know what it says about me, but I wasn't. It's a bit frightening that I read and grokked it without a second thought. It didn't register until I reread it a couple of times.

    51. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So on the one hand you have a civilisation getting to grips with the new prospect of indefinite lifespans and on the other, a civilisation that sees 150,000 of its citizens die, many after a prolonged phase of suffering, everyday. I'll take option a.

    52. Re:think of the possible implications! by xQx · · Score: 1

      Not possible; Atomic Theory would have triggered the Modern Age, and besides Riflemen are enough to kick Spearmen ass.

      Ohh I miss the days when Sid Meier made good games.

    53. Re:think of the possible implications! by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      As Pippin wisely said "I can't grow anymore, except sideways".

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    54. Re:think of the possible implications! by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management?

      No. Birth rates generally adjust to match mortality.

      Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under capitalism?

      I wouldn't worry about capitalism, capitalism is self-correcting. I'd worry about a tyranny of well-connected "experts" that tell everybody how they should live and what they should think, without actually having any clue what they are doing. The Washington Politburo without even the benefit of age-based replacements.

    55. Re:think of the possible implications! by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      I doubt it would be as hellish as you make it out to be. I for one would love the opportunity to enjoy a severely long life. Unfortunately I seem to be in the majority here. It's frustrating because so many people seem to think it's such a horrible thing I fear progress is going far too slow to achieve any kind of immortality in my life time.

      There's emotional benefit to trying to think it would be a bad thing - because presently it's impossible.

      See the number of stories which end with someone deciding they don't want the immortality cure and being happy about that, but then if you simply read about the events of the immortals over just long time spans they live interesting lives. Given that the mean time to a fatality by accident is something like 240 years, and it's not like it would be that big of a change - we have people who live to 100 pretty regularly.

    56. Re:think of the possible implications! by The_Star_Child · · Score: 1

      Immortal and unable to take your own life? Harlan Ellison wrote something on that topic... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream

    57. Re:think of the possible implications! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      hope

      You must be new here.

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    58. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new... uh... there

    59. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally enjoy that people frequently make that foolish distinction. They very nicely self-identify as sloppy thinkers that need no attention from me.

    60. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the richest people will be able to buy immortality treatments, and insurance won't cover it because it is cosmetic.

    61. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if we remove aging (and perhaps illness) as causes of death, actuarial analysis shows other causes (accidents, injuries) eventually catch up to us. Last I remember, lifespans would still top out around 800-1000 years.

    62. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...and no. Imagine the world's greatest minds living forever w/o their minds turning to mush. Seems their greatest works were published in their prime. Afterwards our tendencies become clouded and "set in stone " stubborn, accomplishing little new discoveries later in life. If they remain sharp and young for centuries.we would advance at an exponential rate. We already are weakening our gene pool when Darwin's laws hasn't applied to human evolution for 1000’s of years, but real damage has been occurring more this century as children are being born to parents that should have died from the parents childhood medical complications.

      So yes, Darwin was completely wrong! It's "survival of the wealthy and medically well insured" not fit in any way to advance our species except to have spoiled unappreciative brat kids that will drink and drive smashing their Ferrari daddy bought them into the poor Med student who would later in life discover the cure for cancer.

    63. Re:think of the possible implications! by slew · · Score: 1

      I think we can do better.

      Perhaps you mean "I imagine it's possible to do better someday." The empirical evidence seems to indicate that we cannot do better today. There's really nothing unnatural about savagery (your word) as it is practiced by pretty much all life forms on the planet.

      It may be that so-called savagery is personaly unsavory to you (and others), but sometimes attempting to break natural order can cause unexpected side-effects as well. I'm sure those folks that planted the first seeds didn't forsee the future of monoculture plants, nor did those that started burning whale oil to see at night didn't forsee hunting whales to extinction. Often our proposed wisdom isn't as enlightened as we believe it to be since we don't have the insight of highsight nor the appreciation of scaling.

      I think there is always potential for emergent phenomena, so in the abstract sense an infinity of alternatives haven't been tried, but to presuppose that we know even what they are is a huburis that we should attempt to avoid. Good ideas generally have a time and a place which mean ideas of utopia of the past times should remain in the past so that new ideas can take their place since the new ideas will have the benefit of the knowledge gained since those old idea were conceived.

    64. Re:think of the possible implications! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly in my own ponderings on life and my own mortality, I've found it quite facinating the sheer number of people who think way past human lifespan. For example, the willingness of a person to die for a cause, or a person's obsession with legacy/having consequences well beyond their own death.

  4. Obligatory Star Trek reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Grups are studying her intensely.

    BANG BANG

    1. Re:Obligatory Star Trek reference by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      bonk

  5. brain damage? by pezpunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    obviously the scientists studying her have far better qualifications and information than i do, but i can't help but think damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

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    1. Re:brain damage? by spiritplumber · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a spacetime bubble that keeps her in stasis? It could dissolve when other people need to touch or communicate with her, but reform at other times to prevent her from aging. Unfortunately it would require an incredibly massive object to pull that off. It would have to be a black hole or a wormhole. And how it would dissolve, reform, or not destroy the planet Earth is a mystery.

    3. Re:brain damage? by cfulton · · Score: 1

      Stop being logical and making sense. She is the key to life eternal. You just wanna kill our joy at the proposition of a pill that allows us to live forever.

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    4. Re:brain damage? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

      That sounds rather implausible. Many people have suffered brain damage in childhood, how many of them stopped aging because of that? That would have to be an extremely specific kind of damage. (Keep in mind that even for brain damage, it's often difficult to disable a part of brain's functionality to full extent since the brain has a capability of "routing around".)

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    5. Re:brain damage? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Except they say her endocrine system seems to be running normally, which would, so far as I can tell, mean the hypothalamus was unaffected by the stroke. I'm sure that the effects of the stroke was probably one of the first things they checked.

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    6. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who has healed himself of a brain tumor?

    7. Re:brain damage? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Why would you think those injuries to the brain, which pretty much has no effect on the progress of development, would affect the progress of her development?

    8. Re:brain damage? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I would guess they are looking into that, but I'd also guess she's not really unique as far as that goes. Sadly, lots of kids get brain damage, strokes, and comas, yet only about 6 people that we know of have stopped developing in a similar way. Also, they've already found mutations and validated it in induced pluripotent stem cells, according to the article. So I think it is probably genetics.

    9. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAMD, but a pituitary tumor in the right place can cause gigantism (sp?), so if the pituitary got damaged, I could see it freezing one in time like this

    10. Re:brain damage? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since she seems to have a one of a kind problem, any answer (even the correct one) will be implausible from a statistical standpoint. Either of the "it never did that before" variety or the "That never happens" variety.

    11. Re:brain damage? by pezpunk · · Score: 1

      of course it's implausible. she is completely unique amongst billions. EVERYONE has a relatively unique genetic makeup, and yet how many of us don't age? the answer seems to be "one."

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    12. Re:brain damage? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She is the key to life eternal.

      No, she is the key to never developing past the physical or mental age of 5. Nobody said she'll never die. Five year olds can die, too.

      And while she's got a lock on the physical age thing, many /. posters demonstrate the prior art that would prevent her from getting a patent on the mental part.

    13. Re:brain damage? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Well, it is running normally for whatever apparent age she is. Obviously, if her endocrine system was working as expected, she'd have grown up, since that's what causes you to grow up.

      There may well be another brain function involved which is a lot less obvious or doesn't even look like damage because we don't know what we are looking at.

      However, yes, it's not going to be something that we are just going to be able to guess at here, but the brain is still a long way from being fully understood.

    14. Re:brain damage? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      What about a spacetime bubble that keeps her in stasis? It could dissolve when other people need to touch or communicate with her, but reform at other times to prevent her from aging. Unfortunately it would require an incredibly massive object to pull that off. It would have to be a black hole or a wormhole. And how it would dissolve, reform, or not destroy the planet Earth is a mystery.

      Spacetime bubble that keeps her in stasis vs. complicated biological phenomena that we know a little about.

      Yep, an Occam's Razor problem if there ever was one.

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    15. Re:brain damage? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Except that we have relatively crude ways of measuring hypothalamic (or for that matter, any endocrine) function. It may very well be a regulatory molecule that we don't know about and can't measure. Hundreds of thousands of proteins, peptides and RNAs running about that likely do something - we just don't know what.

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    16. Re:brain damage? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      A good point. I think that brain damage did not make her brain recover from brain damage. :-)

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    17. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction, "three".

      Look at the wikipedia article on Brooke Greenburg. At the bottom, it says there have been two other identified cases, but neither of them have their own wikipedia page.

      Not to take away from your point in that it's implausible, but that it's at least not absolutely unheard of.

    18. Re:brain damage? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      What sort of logic is this? Because one thing is possible, it doesn't mean that a different result could be caused by similar damage. This is very speculative at best.

    19. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah well those three boys from the Dominican who had fully developed breasts also had perfectly normal male endocrine systems. Likewise those women who are actually genetically men who nevertheless develop into women have normal endocrine systems but their bodies fail to respond correctly to testosterone.

      In short, it's how the tissues respond that is key, not necessarily whether the endocrine system is normal.

    20. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be pedantic, but she *is* aging, at least at a cellular level. She is simply not developing from the infant stage.

    21. Re:brain damage? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny

      It may very well be a regulatory molecule that we don't know about and can't measure.

      It may be due to molecules that are made up entirely of tachyons. Our normal aging is because there is a slight imbalance between our normal matter and tachyon physicality, leading to a slight shift towards what we view as "positive time".

      Her condition comes from an almost exact balance between the two, thus a competition between normal matter aging in the normal direction and the FTL matter aging in reverse.

      The Orkans (Mork and Mearth being the earthbound representatives) have the balance the other way, thus they age backwards.

      It's all easy if you know science.

    22. Re:brain damage? by shagman420 · · Score: 1

      Obviously it was the quickening. Someone get that kid a sword before the Kurgan finds her!

    23. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Toddler, not infant.

    24. Re:brain damage? by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      But pituitary damage can cause a cessation of growth. Hormone levels drop and growth stops. Hormone treatment can make them resume - I know someone on this treatment right now. However, they checked all (known) hormone levels and she appears normal, so no explanation. OTOH, the person I know is not responding as quickly to the treatment as doctors predicted. So it seems they don't fully understand these mechanisms. So sure, brain damage of just the right type could plausibly cause this. Granted, my justification is better than the parent post ;-)

    25. Re:brain damage? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It may very well be a regulatory molecule that we don't know about and can't measure.

      Possible, but the WP article says that even injections of human growth hormone had no discernible effect.

      Based on that, it seems likely that she's either producing a receptor or hormone antagonist or that her hormone receptors are genetically faulty. The latter seems much less complex, so more likely true, and that wouldn't be treatable. If she really is producing some sort of antagonist, that could potentially lead to therapeutic possibilities.

      Of course, I'm sure her docs know much more than those two articles talk about or my conjecture.

      I suppose if it were possible to mimic the fault in the receptors through genetic engineering people really could have their "forever kittens".

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    26. Re:brain damage? by jedwidz · · Score: 1

      damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

      I'd say you likely nailed it there, sir.

      There may be some mutation that led to the tumor, but the chances of that mutation leading to the same symptoms again could well be miniscule. Even if she were to be cloned, that is.

      After all, the biological systems we're talking about here are unfathomably complex, and so are their failure modes.

    27. Re:brain damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would accept being able to lock my current physical age, even if it didn't extend my lifespan. At least until a better offer comes along...

    28. Re:brain damage? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Plenty of tumor-like things can just disappear. Your body kills off lot's of cancerous cells every day - "cancer" is the kind of inverse-evolution of those the body misses.

    29. Re:brain damage? by MiniMike · · Score: 2

      From TFA:

      Her bones are that of a 10-year-old, her teeth are 6-years-old, her brain is less than a year old, Walker said.

      If her brain age is any indicator, it seems the aging anomaly began earlier than 4 years old and the stroke/coma/tumor is not the cause of the lack of aging. It also seems that aging stopped at different times for different areas, not all at the same time.

    30. Re:brain damage? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Well. It's _not_ lupus, that's for sure.

      Or is it?

    31. Re:brain damage? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      They mentioned a stroke. The tumor I'd understand, what you're saying isn't new to me.

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  6. Re:Probably caused by cat poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please stop writing those retarded comments already. They won't fix your problems and are not nice to read.

  7. Bioshock? by spiritplumber · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like she's actually not aging, and has some sort of ability to remove tumors. Is she being stalked by a giant in a diving suit?

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    1. Re:Bioshock? by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      My first thought was the one episode of Highlander with the immortal who was stuck as a kid forever.

    2. Re:Bioshock? by Jhon · · Score: 4, Informative

      I seem to remember reading an article about her a few years ago. IIRC, her telomeres are shortening at a normal rate -- which would suggest she *IS* aging at that level.

    3. Re:Bioshock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up--- this was a question not addressed in the article.

      It changes it from "immortality/longer life" to looks young until closer to when she dies. I assume different cells running out would result in some aging symptoms. Some cells keep working at a decreased capacity.

    4. Re:Bioshock? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or Cowboy Bebop's "Sympathy for the Devil".

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    5. Re:Bioshock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to remember reading an article about her a few years ago. IIRC, her telomeres are shortening at a normal rate -- which would suggest she *IS* aging at that level.

      Except telomeres don't actually cause any of the symptoms people refer to as "aging" (it was hypothesised that they might when it was discovered that the shorten over time but that hypothesis didn't pan out.) They're an effective way of tracking how many times a cell has divided, but don't have any known impact on the function of your body.

    6. Re:Bioshock? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      Or "In Time"...

    7. Re:Bioshock? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Once the telomeres have shortened too much, further cell division is going to result in DNA coded information being lost. That's likely to cause problems, I would guess.

      Plenty of people do develop some cells where the telomeres don't shorten with each generation. We call that cancer.

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    8. Re:Bioshock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you hit the encoding sections of the DNA. Too many divisions and the DNA will be damaged and may not encode properly.

    9. Re:Bioshock? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      There's nothing terribly important next to the telomeres. Besides they are good for something like 150 years.

  8. "Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

    If they find this gene and figure out how to control it, the finantial windfall will be staggering for Big Pharma - the "Fountain of Youth" treatment will be very expensive and only available to the rich and famous such as future Brad Pitts and George Clooneys... And possibly the future Leona Helmsleys...

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    1. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, the patent should expire after twenty years allowing for cheap generic treatments, and I'll probably still be alive then.

    2. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Only in places that respect patents, you will be able to find businesses in other places claiming to do the same treatments for much less, and some of those places may not be scams.

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    3. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those damn Big Pharma companies and their research. If I were you I would stop taking their shit every time you have an health issue. Go homeopathic or something similar. You deserve the best.

    4. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the production method.

      If it's anything like Deathwalker's technique, it's not hard to imagine the consequences being far worse.

      Quick, somebody find a Vorlon.

    5. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      If given a real motive to extend patent life - you think there wouldn't be a massive push for it?

    6. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      When in the presence of other species, Vorlons wear encounter suits.

      What a co-inky-dink! I too wear an "encounter suit" when I go out on the town!

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    7. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Wookact · · Score: 1

      Fail, Paternt will be extended to the life of the inventor. If the inventor will live forever, so will the patent.

    8. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it'll only be available to copyright holders, in exchange for corporations recieving perpetual royalty free rights to whatever copyrights the holder carries.

      Did you forget? Corporations are only 50-70 years, but individuals are 'life of the author, plus X years'.

      Why push for changing the law, when you could instead 'enslave' the creator with something they want in exchange for something you want (perpetual life for perpetual copyright).

      Great idea for a sci-fi story, isn't it?

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    9. Re:"Fountain of Youth" Pill? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. The first thing to receive this pill, will be the patent itself.

  9. interesting. by the+biologist · · Score: 1

    The syndrome description as given is remarkably like Cretinism. Cretinism typically results from insufficient iodine levels in the diet during early childhood. This person may have mutation(s) which mimic the damage caused in Cretinism.

    1. Re:interesting. by Elder+Entropist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Insufficient iodine levels cause Cretinism by causing the thyroid to not produce sufficient growth hormones. Since the article states her hormones are normal...

    2. Re:interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...then the receptors of those hormones could be messed up, among other things.

    3. Re:interesting. by the+biologist · · Score: 1

      ...or some downstream developmental gene. ...or... ...or... ...or... The doctors studying the girl should already have a very good idea of what has gone wrong. The article gives the impression they have no clue... which could either be an issue with science journalism or with doctors playing biologist.

  10. Human not freak show by Marcion · · Score: 1

    Pretty sad that the focus of the article and medical attention seemed to be on using her genes for anti-ageing cosmetic treatments instead of curing her. I also found it at bit odd that she is shown in a pram (instead of say an adult wheelchair) and there is a baby cot in the background, these do not seem age appropriate, despite her lack of physical growth.

    1. Re:Human not freak show by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right. Some tight skinny jeans and a bottle of vodka ... well, I suppose they should wait till she turns 21 for the vodka.

      In all seriousness, if she has the mental age of a 5 year old, she is probably quite content being treated as one, and it would be highly innappropriate to treat her as older than she "really" is.

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    2. Re:Human not freak show by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Curing how? Rewriting a person's genome is no trivial matter. It's tricky enough in a single cell, to do it in a complex multicellular organism is far beyond current ability.

      If her genes contain the secret to prolonging life and defeating the curses of old age though, they must be used. She may not hold the secret to immortality, but she puts us all one step closer.

    3. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She is also mentally at the state of a five year old, trying to treat her as a 20 year old would be both unfair to her and her caretakers. As far as a cure goes, if they think it's as deep as her genome, there isn't going to be one.

    4. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Age appropriate" ? What exactly are you concerned about? Mentally she is a toddler, physically she is a toddler. I don't think she minds being treated as a toddler.

    5. Re:Human not freak show by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Pretty sad that the focus of the article and medical attention seemed to be on using her genes for anti-ageing cosmetic treatments instead of curing her.

      I think you're minimizing the research potential -- a way to slow or stop aging entirely, not just a mere cosmetic improvement.

      The hard thing about developing a treatment for a disease that no one understands and only a single person has is that there's no real way to test the treatment except on the subject herself, and if you screw it up, that person suffers for no reason since the treatment isn't going to help the rest of the people with the disease. Is it worse to let her live out her life the way she was born than to try an experimental treatment that could kill her or at least alter her development in a way that makes her life worse?

      I also found it at bit odd that she is shown in a pram (instead of say an adult wheelchair) and there is a baby cot in the background, these do not seem age appropriate, despite her lack of physical growth.

      They said that she has the mental development of a toddler as well as the physical appearance, so why isn't it age appropriate to treat her as a toddler? If she had the mental development of an adult (or conversely if she had the body of an adult but mental development of a toddler), then it may not be appropriate to treat her as a child.

    6. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also found it at bit odd that she is shown in a pram (instead of say an adult wheelchair) and there is a baby cot in the background, these do not seem age appropriate, despite her lack of physical growth.

      Maybe if this child had progressed further than 5 years old mentally, but it seems to me that if you take a toddler sized person, who is mentally the same age as a todder anyway it doesn't really matter that this person is 20 years old. You've still got a toddler, and as the parent of a toddler I can tell you that they act like toddlers all the time.

      So maybe the pram is more for integrating with society, because what is more odd: a baby in a baby carriage or a baby in its own wheelchair?

    7. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sad that the focus of the article and medical attention seemed to be on using her genes for anti-ageing cosmetic treatments instead of curing her. I also found it at bit odd that she is shown in a pram (instead of say an adult wheelchair) and there is a baby cot in the background, these do not seem age appropriate, despite her lack of physical growth.

      She hasn't aged, mentally or physically, as far as anyone can tell. I've been following this with some interest for several years. Initially, I thought it was only a physical disorder, but it has in some way affected her mental state, as well. I'm with the person who posted earlier, who thinks that the strange combination of things that happened at age 4 have a high probability of being part of the issue.

      Nothing but love and respect for her and her family from my side, should anyone somehow misinterpret the above.

    8. Re:Human not freak show by pmsr · · Score: 2

      They mention, and I quote, potential therapy to "Alzheimer’s, heart disease or cancer". I barely noticed any focus on anti-ageing cosmetic treatments, but then again, I RTFA. So, stop shoving your narrow view of the world and science into everything.

    9. Re:Human not freak show by nevlow · · Score: 1

      Oops, wasn't logged in. Brilliant me.

    10. Re:Human not freak show by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Why would you re-write the genome? Find out what the deficiency is, hormonal or whatever, then give her the hormone her body is not. Knowing how to trigger it, or what caused it may allow for freezing aging at a specific age (everyone lives full lives looking 25), but curing her should be as simple as figuring out what her body is doing differently and chemically fixing it.

    11. Re:Human not freak show by alexmipego · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those researchers can't exactly get funding to cure a single patient that's literally unique with a syndrome that most likely never happened or will happen again.

      However, if you say she might have the key for the cure of cancer and to stop aging they sure will get funded fast. If by some miracle they find a possible cure in the process, there's a chance that she might get that cure where otherwise the chance is a fat zero.

    12. Re:Human not freak show by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I also found it at bit odd that she is shown in a pram (instead of say an adult wheelchair)

      Well, adult wheelchairs are adult sized. If she's the size of a 4 or 5 year old, she definitely won't fit (and TFA shows her in a wheel chair, not what I'd call a pram).

      As to your other point:

      Unfortunately any gained insights would not be able to treat her condition, but it is hoped that identifying the genetic abnormalities could lead to new treatments for other diseases.

      I think you can safely assume the doctors are looking out for her interests and not just the anti-aging cosmetics.

      As to age appropriate, the article doesn't say anything about her intellectual development -- if she's the size of a 4 year old, and at the same mental level ... then a crib may be more appropriate. According to wiki: Walker noted that Greenberg's brain, for example, is not much more mature than that of a newborn infant, at which point a crib is absolutely appropriate and in her best interests. She's likely quite delayed in her development, which means she'd need a crib to sleep safely.

      We're not talking about someone who is fully matured in the brain, but just small. We're talking about someone with a whole raft of challenges. They're not taking an otherwise 'normal' adult and making her sleep in a crib.

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    13. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much of her "mental age" is a result of everyone treating her like a 5 year old?

      The two main causes of "maturity" are puberty and social pressure to "act your age". If she skipped puberty because of her disorder and no one ever expected her to "grow up" what's left to cause her to behave differently as she ages?

    14. Re:Human not freak show by Ionized · · Score: 1

      actually they are quite appropriate - the article indicates that she has the mental capacity of a five year old as well. So it's not unreasonable to think that her parents are simply keeping her surroundings the same to match her physical and emotional maturity level.

    15. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It comes to mind that her condition may be "extremely rare" rather than "unique" - to wit, the old legends of "changeling babies" that never get any older, etc.

    16. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all seriousness, if she has the mental age of a 5 year old, she is probably quite content being treated as one,

      To be fair, very few normal 5 year olds like being treated as 5 year olds. Even if it's the best thing for them, being told "yes, you have to have your nap now" or "no, you can't skip eating vegetables and just have ice cream for dinner" tends to upset them. Hell hath no fury like a toddler who suddenly decides they don't want to do "X".

    17. Re:Human not freak show by Zordak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since when do 5 year olds nap? Mine (apparently) runs on a fission generator in overdrive from 7:00 a.m. to about 10:00 p.m.

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    18. Re:Human not freak show by tilante · · Score: 2

      Five year olds take naps for the same reason teenagers wear sweaters: because mom needs a nap/sweater, so by God, you need one too.

    19. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. It's extremely likely that her body isn't responding to the normal hormones due to some genetic defect. Even if they "repair" this defect in one of her stem cells and re-introduce it, since the rest of her body still has the defect she might end up growing asymmetrically and the cure might kill her.

    20. Re:Human not freak show by djlemma · · Score: 1

      She has the mental and physical age of a 1 year old. TFA made it sort of sound like she grew to age 5 and stopped growing, but no, she was like a 1 year old at age 5 and stayed there. So says this article, on the same web site as TFA... and Wikipedia agrees....

    21. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much of her "mental age" is a result of everyone treating her like a 5 year old?

      The two main causes of "maturity" are puberty and social pressure to "act your age". If she skipped puberty because of her disorder and no one ever expected her to "grow up" what's left to cause her to behave differently as she ages?

      I think you've bought into the blank slate idea a bit too much. This isn't merely a case of skipping puberty. Everything in her body stopped developing at about age 5. Brain development is very incomplete at birth (*), and doesn't stop until your mid-20s or so, IIRC. If the rest of her body is not growing and maturing physically, it's likely her brain isn't either.

      It's very attractive to humans to think of our consciousness as something which isn't influenced by the physical substrate it runs on, but that isn't so. It very much is. I'd guess she isn't quite a typical 5 year old, simply because she's been one for 15 years, but she might not be capable of full maturation of the intellect and personality until her brain resumes its normal course of physical development (assuming it ever does).

      * - You know how you can put your finger in an infant's hand and the infant will grasp it? That's literally an unconscious reflex, driven by the brainstem. The cortex isn't in command yet. Part of how doctors check for normal brain development in infants is to watch for the disappearance of this and other involuntary reflexes as the infant's brain develops. They also look for such reflexes in adults who have suffered brain trauma. If some of them reassert themselves it's not a good sign.

    22. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Initially, I thought it was only a physical disorder, but it has in some way affected her mental state, as well.

      Your mental state can easily be influenced by a physical disorder. I posted another AC comment about this above. TLDR: your brain is not physically complete at birth and doesn't finish developing until the mid-20s. If her disorder has halted development for all tissues in her body, then it's actually not too surprising that she cannot mature mentally.

    23. Re:Human not freak show by rsborg · · Score: 2

      Since when do 5 year olds nap? Mine (apparently) runs on a fission generator in overdrive from 7:00 a.m. to about 10:00 p.m.

      My 6yo still naps. I think everyone should nap if at all possible - it's quite healthy to take a siesta [1]. The problem is that the modern world makes you feel like you're not worth as much if you're not "aware and contributing" 16+ hours of the day. The question is, if you took 30-45m "off", would the remaining time be more productive?

      [1] http://www.siestaawareness.org/pages/siesta-facts.php

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    24. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Assuming this is similar to what's happening with the children of people I know (or what my child psychiatrist friend says is correct): That's likely a result of lack of sleep.

      We have our kids (2.5 years old) sleep much more than people around us do - ours sleep from 6:30 to 7, approximately, plus a nap of up to two hours in the middle of the day. They get into the "fission generator in overdrive" mode when they get too little sleep. We see this very clearly with both our kids and in general with the kids of the people around us. (Our kids also end up quite early in the development curve, but I can't say if the sleep helps this or it's genetics or other environmental effects; but clearly it is not hurting them in any significant fashion - and theory says it should be good for them.)

    25. Re:Human not freak show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Five year olds take naps for the same reason teenagers are givensweaters: because mom needs a nap/sweater, so by God, you need one too.

      There, fixed that for you.

    26. Re:Human not freak show by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between want and need in this case, or at least with my 4 year old. He never wants a nap and most of the time he doesn't need one but some days he actually needs it. On those days he still refuses even though he starts tripping over him self and will eventually fall a sleep at dinner since he isn't running around. We even have a picture of him sleeping with his face in his spaghetti. Of course those are now the days when we are out doing high activity things for most of the day when even I am beat.

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    27. Re:Human not freak show by tilante · · Score: 1

      Was no need to fix - they wear them too. I never said they wear them for longer than it takes to get out of sight of Mom.

  11. The Observers are Coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's Fringe's Anomaly XB-6783746

  12. Who knew? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who had any idea that thousands of years of inbreeding could cause something like this?

  13. And for the opposite case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, technically our article is about aging rather than size, but I found it curious to have learned that a woman who recently died just would not stop growing. Tanya Angus had suffered from gigantism that was induced by hormones released through her tumor-affected growth gland.

    1. Re:And for the opposite case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a condition that's well understood. I thought it could be corrected with surgery. Maybe something prevented the surgery from working, or it was too risky for other reasons. That's too bad; but it's not a mystery.

  14. Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    obviously the scientists studying her have far better qualifications and information than i do, but i can't help but think damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

    Well from the article they said:

    “has no apparent abnormalities in her endocrine system, no gross chromosomal abnormalities, or any of the other disruptions known to occur in humans that can cause developmental issues.”

    I assume that the endocrine system would have to be affected in order to cause such stunted growth? If the stroke, coma or brain tumor led to this wouldn't they see that abnormality reflected in these growth regulating systems? Also from the article the researchers claimed:

    “Cracking the code on Brooke’s condition,” Shadt wrote, “is the proverbial searching for a needle in a haystack, since likely there is one or a small number of letters changed in Brooke’s genome that has caused her condition.”

    Some googling turned up older studies that claim there are no known genetic disorders present or even chromosomal abnormalities and her telomeres seem to be shortening at the normal rate. Also, apparently her body parts are developing out of synchronization. I guess it's possible there is a hidden system that synchronizes development so that your body doesn't develop asymmetrically? And we just haven't found this yet.

    Sort of offtopic but I'm a little disappointed that this unfortunate affliction for this person is being spun as a possible "fountain of eternal youth" in the article. Come on, people. We should be working to better understand this so we can help people ... that Kurzweil Singularity bullshit should be left out of the discussion until we fully understand it.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Her condition may not be exactly "horrible". It's hard to know what she thinks of not being an adult.

      When I was 5, I though girls were icky. Continuing to be able to think that might have saved me a lot of time and money.

    2. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, apparently her body parts are developing out of synchronization. I guess it's possible there is a hidden system that synchronizes development so that your body doesn't develop asymmetrically? And we just haven't found this yet.

      Thanks. Now i will always look at big bodyparts as just developing asymmetrically. Way to kill that mood..

    3. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Sort of offtopic but I'm a little disappointed that this unfortunate affliction for this person is being spun as a possible "fountain of eternal youth" in the article. Come on, people. We should be working to better understand this so we can help people

      I dunno, is there any indication that she's in any physical or psychological pain, or that her lifespan is going to be significantly reduced from normal? Besides, if the cause is directly genetic (that is, it's not a genetic disorder that then modifies, say, hormone levels, which cause the disorder) then it's not likely a treatment is even plausible.

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    4. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Soralin · · Score: 1

      Sort of offtopic but I'm a little disappointed that this unfortunate affliction for this person is being spun as a possible "fountain of eternal youth" in the article. Come on, people. We should be working to better understand this so we can help people

      Yeah, it's a bit blatant on that point, but saving the lives of 100,000 people every day wouldn't be helping people? A cure for aging would save more lives than a cure for everything else combined.

    5. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I'm actually a member of the team that works with her DNA. Right now we are busy with phasing her genomic data. We are trying to resolve for each mutation (SNP) on which chromosome it is present. Our technology is basically the only cheap way to do it. Unfortunately we only have her transcriptome data, not the complete genomic data. Other teams have not found anything excessively unusual, so it is entirely possible that an unusual combination of recessive mutations is responsible for this condition.

    6. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by gatesstillborg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that article looks like real schlock. I'm shocked to see something like this anywhere outside of the tabloids

      Mainly, I'm shocked that we should appear to know so little about physiological development. I guess their saying there is nothing wrong with her endocrine system must mean the hormones are found. But, does that mean they then know nothing about the receptors and secondary developmental mechanisms? In that case, how would they know the things they are looking at are even growth hormones? Truly shocked medical science should draw such a blank on this one.

    7. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by A+bsd+fool · · Score: 1

      that Kurzweil Singularity bullshit should be left out of the discussion until we fully understand it.

      Indeed! We should never discuss things we do not "fully understand!" Just imagine the chaos that could result!

    8. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you also looking at expression data, or was the sample normalised before sequencing?

    9. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Sort of offtopic but I'm a little disappointed that this unfortunate affliction for this person is being spun as a possible "fountain of eternal youth" in the article. Come on, people. We should be working to better understand this so we can help people

      Yeah, it's a bit blatant on that point, but saving the lives of 100,000 people every day wouldn't be helping people? A cure for aging would save more lives than a cure for everything else combined.

      It's less a cure for aging, and more "eternal youth". That's generally a good thing though, because the current problem with medical science is that we've simply beaten out the things which kill you when you're young and able-bodied - not prevented the general decline of physical and cognitive function which happens over a longer period. What we'd really like to do is keep people "young" longer - ideally a lot longer, so they can continue looking after themselves.

    10. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by MmmmAqua · · Score: 1

      Just curious, is someone restricting you to only looking at her transcriptome or has her whole genome just not been sequenced yet? Given the differential development rates at play, my first inclination would be to look for SNPs or variation in STRs around common non-transcribed regulatory elements. That would of course be only a contributing factor to a condition this complex, but it would be a fascinating one.

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  15. Epigenetics by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, just analyzing genes might not be enough. Gene expression and epigenetics are the other half of the puzzle, and a bit more difficult to discover. Even if you know the code, it's damn difficult to determine where in the body (if anywhere) the code is or isn't active without taking samples all over the place and testing each.

    For the computer literate, think of it this way. The researches are disassembling the code of several people to see if there is a difference. But that doesn't tell them what the run time parameters were when a particular bit of code was run (or what inputs it may have had while running). And sampling a memory dump from one CPU in a massively parallel system doesn't give you the whole story either.

    Needle meets haystack.

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    1. Re:Epigenetics by CMYKjunkie · · Score: 2

      It sounds like they have a small problem on their hands!

    2. Re:Epigenetics by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Funny

      It sounds like they have a small problem on their hands!

      I'll bet you're real fun at parties.

    3. Re:Epigenetics by Iron+(III)+Chloride · · Score: 2

      This keeps on getting repeated so as a biology grad student I feel the obligation to inform everyone: yes, epigenetics is very important and makes up much of the story, but while a lot about it is still unknown, we have just as many tools to tackle it as we do with genomic DNA. We can sequence the epigenome (both histone marks and DNA CpG methylation), the transcriptome, the translatome, and the proteome (by mass spec, though not de novo) - almost any "ome" that involves any combination of nucleic acids and proteins can be probably sequenced and profiled by technology that we have today. The only thing that we probably can't easily do yet is metabolomics, because small molecules are not built out of well-understood monomeric units, but I bet there are tens if not hundreds of labs around the world working on this kind of technology as we speak.

      My point is, the explosion in sequencing technology that have occurred in the 10 years since the completion of the human genome have put us solidly in the "post-genomics" era. The technologies to find the needle in the haystack exist in the here and now - the only real constraints are time, manpower (brainpower?), sample availability, and (to some extent) cost, in the sense that you need to not be in the bottom 30% of labs in terms of your funding situation in order to have enough money to be able to use these technologies. Brooke is human so there will be limitations in terms of what kinds of samples we can take without harming her health, but the people working on this will be able learn a lot from her genome (and her epigenome, transcriptome, and so on and so forth) and then they will be able to find those mutant candidate genes and make mouse or Drosophila models so that we can get a really detailed understanding of what is going on at the mechanistic level, and in those model organisms we can then whatever we want in order to get whatever types of data we need.

      A reference for those who haven't seen it yet: http://www.genome.gov/sequencingcosts/

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  16. Perpetual diaper changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor parents.

    1. Re:Perpetual diaper changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least it is small poop, unlike full grown people who have the mental faculties of a five year old.

    2. Re:Perpetual diaper changes by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

      A normal five year old can use the toilet. Not everyone developed as slowly as you.

    3. Re:Perpetual diaper changes by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      He's not underdeveloped, he just prefers using a diaper.

  17. Vampire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly no one involved has seen Interview With A Vampire.

    1. Re:Vampire by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      The book was way better than that movie they made back in the 90s.

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  18. A caveat: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Just because someone isn't developing doesn't neccessarily mean they aren't aging.

    She may be accumulating some of the various types of damage that we all undergo as part of aging, but just not progressing in maturing to an adult state.

    When a child develops from the reproductive cells of the parents effectively all or nearly all of the changes of aging present in the parents are undone. Brooke's genetic makeup may only be blocking SOME of those aging related changes along with blocking maturation.

    As time goes on, assuming she stays alive and healthy enough for the studies (Gads, that sounds so cold and clinical. She's a human being with health difficulties not just a research object.) the researchers can see if some aging processes start becoming evident. But, 20 years old is still awfully young to be able to detect those.

    What may be possible is to see what genetic changes she has and then try to recreate similar ones in lab animals that age faster than humans.

  19. Telomeres? by InvisibleClergy · · Score: 1

    I wonder how gene damage and telomeres will play into the story of this person's aging.

  20. Re:Probably caused by cat poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speak for yourself.

  21. Balok's Love-Child by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Funny

    The kid's the product of a tranya fueled dalliance by her mom after a night out with Balok on his spaceship.

  22. Telomeres are still shortening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    According to Wikipedia, which cites a study in a medical journal, her telomeres are still shortening at the normal rate. This would mean that if she lives to be 70 she'll likely appear to be a miniature 70 year old woman, with wrinkles and all. Since she'll never reach puberty, I have no idea if that will prevent her from experiencing the problems linked to hormones, which people experience, such as osteoporosis.

  23. Something must happen at that age by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Jeffty is five too. Maybe in her TV you could see the 25th season of Star Trek TNG.

  24. She is growing by Jmc23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just not all at the same time. Her left eye is not the eye of a five year old.

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  25. You should try the sleeping beauty by Dainsanefh · · Score: 0

    This is even hotter instead, and she randomly sleeps for at least thousands of hours consecutively, and hyper sexuality.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4Ajo4yGUs

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  26. Wolverine? by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1

    Maybe she's Wolverine, and her immune system is attacking aging as an illness, but it kicked in at age 5 instead of adulthood.

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  27. Couric by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

    Katie Couric is afflicted with soft focus syndrome. It also affects Diane Sawyer. She takes a personal interest in this since thye may be able to find a cure.

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  28. Re:Probably caused by cat poop by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I LOL'd pretty hard XD

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  29. Fringe Event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a Fringe event. We need Walter Bishop, Olivia Dunham and the rest of the Fringe team to investigate.... :-)

  30. She's Deadpool by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    She regenerates, but the regeneration harms her mind and growth rate. She's Deadpool if Deadpool got his powers as a toddler. Hmmm, he has "comic awareness".. I wonder if she knows if this universe is a simulation or not.

  31. The quest for Immortality backfires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comment? I don't need no stinking comment!

  32. Her own decision? by Nyh · · Score: 2

    She decided never to grow up when she heard her father declare that she would become a grocer.

    Nyh

  33. Fountain of youth by rs1n · · Score: 1

    Longevity was not mentioned in the article, but I did ponder the question of whether what the scientists find may actually lead to "the fountain of youth." Imagine if you could suddenly stop aging once you reach your "preferred" age!

    1. Re:Fountain of youth by luther349 · · Score: 1

      if you look at a pic of her you can tell some parts of her are indeed getting older. left eye for example. and didn't gary coleman have a simmler issue. also there is a Russian sciencetist that took a extreme radiation burst to one side of his face the equivalent of the sun and that side of his face no longer ages the cell themselves are frozen.

  34. 60 mutations in germ cells by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They've enough comparison of parental chromosomes to tell there are about 30 random gene mutations inherited from each parent. They'll have to sort for these whether there is one or more on a significant gene.

  35. Time for a patent and copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brooke should patent and copyright her genome before anyone else does, else she might have to pay license or royalties if she ever has children, or worse.

  36. Consider the scientists that could stay alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if Issac Newton was still alive? Nikola Tesla? Thomas Edison? Henry Ford? Max Planck? Albert Einstein?

    On the other hand, what if Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin were still alive?

    1. Re:Consider the scientists that could stay alive by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I think you may have made a good point against me. Geniuses are in short supply but murderous despots are post-scarcity.

      Although we have plenty enough people who could substitute for Edison or Ford going around...

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    2. Re:Consider the scientists that could stay alive by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      If people didn't die of old age, I suspect that we'd see far less brutal rulers rising up. Getting shot or assassinated in a political revolution seems like a good gamble when at worst you're throwing away another 30 or 40 years for a chance at ruling. It changes things when you're gambling away hundreds or thousands of years for some shiny trinkets and a nice house.

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    3. Re:Consider the scientists that could stay alive by erice · · Score: 1

      If people didn't die of old age, I suspect that we'd see far less brutal rulers rising up. Getting shot or assassinated in a political revolution seems like a good gamble when at worst you're throwing away another 30 or 40 years for a chance at ruling. It changes things when you're gambling away hundreds or thousands of years for some shiny trinkets and a nice house.

      Far less new brutal rulers, perhaps. But the risk is the same or worse for those who would rise up against existing brutal rulers.

      Mostly, though, I think it will mean fewer despots. Despots stay in power partly through brutality but at least as much through controlling information. But no control is perfect and it becomes harder to stay in power when your entire population consists of people old enough to remember cases where you told them lies and they knew better.

    4. Re:Consider the scientists that could stay alive by TheMathemagician · · Score: 1

      Einstein had become irrelevant in physics at least 20 years before his death. Of course he retained great stature and influence in the world and tried to use it for good but he wasn't advancing physics. Newton was Warden and later Master of the Royal Mint in London for the last 30 years of his life. I don't know enough about the others but I doubt they were making real progress by the end of their lives.

    5. Re:Consider the scientists that could stay alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newton wasn't exactly a pleasant guy, so I'm ok with him gone. Tesla turned to crackpottery, good riddance there too. Edison, well, another jackass. Ford, well, we have enough antisemites as it is, no need for one more. Planck and Einstein -- well, maybe they'd be OK but perhaps they'd be actually stunting the progress as sometimes you need new idea. How can we know if prolonged life would keep one's mind "pliable" at the level of a 30 year old...

  37. or it's a sword immortal and the only way for her by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    or it's a sword immortal and the only way for her to die and not come back is for the head to come off.

  38. Gene Manipulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject 0203949.a19
    Gene Manipulation, regenerative longevity. ...
    Results:Failure, not useful as super soldier to dominate mankind.

  39. TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously she's just a character on a very long running TV show, probably a cartoon like the Simpsons.

  40. as a PhD who works on DNA sequencing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5 years ago, this would have been a formidable undertaking
    but with the cooperation of her parents and siblings, and with todays technology, not so much
    a good quality draft genome - say 50x coverage on an Illumina hi seq - is maybe 5-10,000 dollars; you can do the samples in parallel, so 5 people isn't 5x the cost.
    (and the computational load goes down a lot with all that family)
    what would really help would be a larger family - maybe in the interest of science, her parents can be purusaded to have another 20 kids, in the hope of finding a few more odd ones; that would allow the responsible mutation (s) to be IDed with a high degree of certaintl (assumign this is genetic and not, say viral)

  41. The Time Machine by tepples · · Score: 1

    No, she is the key to never developing past the physical or mental age of 5.

    If never developing past age 5 is what will help Homo survive for the next 8000 centuries, all we need to do is somehow figure out how to suppress the Morlock mutation.

  42. Bombershock by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is she being stalked by a giant in a diving suit?

    That depends. Does this giant drop bombs?

  43. Wonder if she could live thousands of years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If her body isn't aging...

  44. growing up by slick7 · · Score: 1

    The real study is in Washington DC, where for decades, adults act like spoiled brats, never really growing up. Cater to their whims and they want more. Demand that they sit up straight and act like adults, they become more belligerent, even to the point of rebelliousness. Spank them and they declare war against you. It's time to put RECALL on the ballot.

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    1. Re:growing up by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 1

      okay you youngin' let me tell you, nature abhors a vacuum - the one between your ears, and the one that would be made when you elect everyone out, then just put someone worse in there, once you realize the past 1000 years of civilization have not been a mistake. The problem with you anarchists (on this site, even) is you never perceive the simple truth that technology should provide accountablity.. the accountability you'll never get by voting out person after person. Fight the disease, not a stupid symptom!

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  45. THANK YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally something about biology, biotech and maybe even life extension. Give us a break from the usual 3D printing hype and private space fanaticism.

  46. Don't rule out the other symptoms by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    If life has taught me anything it's that in most cases there are no coincidences. The coma and such that happened to her around the time she stopped growing are significant. They may not be the cause, but they most almost certainly share a common cause.

    I know a kid who is taking hormones to reach full size because the endocrine system was damaged by radiation. There is apparently a time limit on that, you have to reach a certain physical age before a certain chronological age or you get stuck. I'm not sure they even understand why that is so, just that it is so. Also, the treatment while working, isn't going so well - kid may be a little short - and they don't know why. All the levels are right with treatment.

    I'm going with 50/50 that there is even a genetic cause to this unique case. And if so, I'd go with under 10 percent chance it's a mutation in coding DNA. But please do continue, if it is DNA the discovery should be well worth the effort.

    1. Re:Don't rule out the other symptoms by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      Quite possible. But hormones are definitely not the problem here - her endocrine system is normal. Besides, lack of growth hormone or response to the growth hormone has wildly different symptoms (they are not pretty) while this girl is basically a normal toddler without major deformities.

      Oh, and we'll be sequencing her whole DNA (hopefully in a few months) now that there is enough funding for this.

  47. Normal 20 year old's are not perceptively aged by erice · · Score: 1

    !growing != !aging

    Quite true, but it is difficult to distinguish the two prior to maturity. Normal 20 year old's are not perceptively aged either. They are in their prime. No parts of their bodies have noticeably declined. It would be much more instructive to check up this little girl when she is 30 or, better yet, 40.

  48. Cheese Pizza! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thought was....

    "Would it still be considered CP and/or pedophilia?"

    Internet...you have ruined me...

  49. Bad Person by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

    Maybe this makes me a bad person, but my first thought was "that's awesome!" My kids were so cute and fun at that age. I'm sure it's more stressful if you live through it, but for now I've got the fantasy....

  50. She's not toddler sized by Ritchie70 · · Score: 2

    She's infant sized.

    Wikipedia says she's 30 inches tall, 16 pounds.

    My almost nine month old daughter is 26 pounds, around 30 inches. That's like 99th percentile in size, but still infant sized.

    An average 5 year old is 40 inches, 40 pounds.

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  51. Maybe this isn't the crowd for biblical references by caspy7 · · Score: 1

    ...but in the Garden of Eden there were two trees of note, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil and the Tree of Life.
    After man sinned (by eating from the former tree), God banished them from the garden so that they would not eat from the tree of life and live forever.
    I find it interesting that when they were innocent God was all cool with them being immortal, but when they became sinful/morally flawed/infected with evil, God's like, "These schmoes as immortals? Nope. Nuh huh. This will not end well."

  52. perpetual puppies by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    For years I've been saying we need something for dogs to keep them as puppies, so they're small and cute for life.

    The problem is that you'd need enough time so that you could properly train them ... you'd want to make sure they could at least make it past the 'potty training' phase, or there'd be problems. (I think the litter training for cats happens faster).

    But if you retard the mental development, that'd mean they could do all of the dumb puppy things that people find so cute. (Or cats ... I remember when my boss's cat was scared of a laser pointer, before she decided she should chase the dot)

    And as for the person who pointed out that 5 years is middle aged for a cat ... we have dog years to work with. So the dog would be um .. (12 * 5 / 7 ) = 8.5 months old.

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  53. Seriously, she looks worn and sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sorry to be blunt, but she really looks like there's some kind of mental retardation. She looks worn, her teeth are too large, and if she really had the mental age of 5 she would walk and talk, not sit in a stroller like that. If you look at the pictures shown in the video it is totally obvious she is getting older (in her own sense). Makes me sad, really. Hope they get something good out of this.

  54. Re:Probably caused by cat poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding me? This man is my hero. I check his posts daily.

    Never stop FAFI. For Laura!

  55. Very Sad by jjbenz · · Score: 1

    Very sad story, I hope they can find some way to give her a decent life.

  56. Think of the parents by Dareth · · Score: 1

    How many generations of "kids shows" have they had to suffer thru now?

    I can't get the theme song to Team Umizoomi out of my head as it is!

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  57. why so negative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why so negative?

  58. I don't want to grow up by guspasho · · Score: 1

    She's a true Toys 'R' Us kid.

  59. Harlan Ellison hits again by The+Evil+Dwarf+from · · Score: 1

    This is Jeffty is Five!

  60. I think EYE might have an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might have something to do with her jacked up left eye.