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Researchers Study Mystery of the Toddler Who Won't Grow

kkleiner writes "Twenty-year-old Brooke Greenberg hasn't grown since age five. For the last 15 years, mystified doctors have been unable to explain the cause for Brooke's disorder that has kept her aging in check. At age twenty, she maintains the physical and mental appearance of a toddler. The researchers are now are painstakingly analyzing Brooke’s entire genome in search of unique mutations. Needless to say, it is a formidable undertaking. 'Cracking the code on Brooke’s condition,' [Dr. Eric Shadt] wrote, 'is the proverbial searching for a needle in a haystack, since likely there is one or a small number of letters changed in Brooke’s genome that has caused her condition.' To find the mutation Shadt and his team are using the latest genome sequencing and analysis tools. The strategy is to compare Brooke’s genome to the genomes of her parents and three normal sisters, as well as to other available sequences from the general population, and identify gene mutations that only Brooke has."

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  1. 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    4chan is going to love this one.

    1. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless I missed it, there's no indication that she mentally progressed past 5 years old. That might complicate her legality, and I can't believe I'm discussing this.

    2. Re:4chan by cod3r_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should be more concerned that you even caught what he meant.

    3. Re:4chan by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      4chan is going to love this one.

      A 20-year-old with the mental makeup of a 5-year-old? I'm guessing she'd fit right in on 4chan.

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    4. Re:4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      However, it does mean she'll fit right in with the rest of the 4chan posters.

  2. think of the possible implications! by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perpetual kittens.

    1. Re:think of the possible implications! by nephilimsd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder what the long term effects of this condition might be. Is it possible to die of old age when you don't age?

    2. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      !growing != !aging

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    3. Re:think of the possible implications! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd be interested to see a telomere study. Physiologically she's four years old, but is she four at the cellular and genetic levels?

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    4. Re:think of the possible implications! by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perpetual kittens.

      Normally, I'm against screwing around too much with nature. But goddamn that would be worth it!

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    5. Re:think of the possible implications! by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd be interested to see a telomere study. Physiologically she's four years old, but is she four at the cellular and genetic levels?

      According to this study, her telomeres match her chronological age, so she appears to be aging in that sense.

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    6. Re:think of the possible implications! by deesine · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not in the summary or article, but wikipedia says her body is aging, with different parts aging at different rates. And that "her telomeres seem to be shortening at the normal rate."

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    7. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah we are nowhere near mature enough as a civilization for such a discovery. It would be like discovering nukes in the bronze age.

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    8. Re:think of the possible implications! by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strongly disagree. There are many people emotionally invested in accepting death but a cure to aging can't come soon enough.

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    9. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management? Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under capitalism?

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    10. Re:think of the possible implications! by Bucc5062 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can't you see the unholy hell that immortality would unleash on a civilization that is just starting to wake up to ideas of conservation and natural resource management? Or on a related note, how immortality would be handed out, managed and exploited under fascism

      ftfy

      Capitalism left the building a while ago.

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    11. Re:think of the possible implications! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're code must be awesome to look at.

      It's easier to read than your prose ;)

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    12. Re:think of the possible implications! by bikin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not possible; Atomic Theory would have triggered the Modern Age, and besides Riflemen are enough to kick Spearmen ass.

    13. Re:think of the possible implications! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought about that, but it assumes that an increase in lifespan would lead to an increase in long-term thinking. Many people already think too short-term for their immediate situation, never mind a currently-possible human lifespan.

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    14. Re:think of the possible implications! by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which would be better, I think.

      As a kitten, my cat was entirely too curious/fearless and once spent about 30 seconds inside a dryer before I figured out that "thump-whump-meow" is not the normal operation of said dryer, and also that my cat was missing. (Fortunately, aside from a slightly warm bum, the faint scent of fabric softener, and an 8-month-long fear of large white appliances, he was fine).

  3. Obligatory Star Trek reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Grups are studying her intensely.

    BANG BANG

  4. brain damage? by pezpunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    obviously the scientists studying her have far better qualifications and information than i do, but i can't help but think damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

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    1. Re:brain damage? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since she seems to have a one of a kind problem, any answer (even the correct one) will be implausible from a statistical standpoint. Either of the "it never did that before" variety or the "That never happens" variety.

    2. Re:brain damage? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She is the key to life eternal.

      No, she is the key to never developing past the physical or mental age of 5. Nobody said she'll never die. Five year olds can die, too.

      And while she's got a lock on the physical age thing, many /. posters demonstrate the prior art that would prevent her from getting a patent on the mental part.

    3. Re:brain damage? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny

      It may very well be a regulatory molecule that we don't know about and can't measure.

      It may be due to molecules that are made up entirely of tachyons. Our normal aging is because there is a slight imbalance between our normal matter and tachyon physicality, leading to a slight shift towards what we view as "positive time".

      Her condition comes from an almost exact balance between the two, thus a competition between normal matter aging in the normal direction and the FTL matter aging in reverse.

      The Orkans (Mork and Mearth being the earthbound representatives) have the balance the other way, thus they age backwards.

      It's all easy if you know science.

  5. Re:Mental appearance? by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Originally a term used in Jungian psychology to describe how one presents their consciousness (persona/image/self) to the outside world. In this context, it indicates that Brooke responds to the world in a manner appropriate for a 5-year-old.

  6. Bioshock? by spiritplumber · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like she's actually not aging, and has some sort of ability to remove tumors. Is she being stalked by a giant in a diving suit?

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    1. Re:Bioshock? by Jhon · · Score: 4, Informative

      I seem to remember reading an article about her a few years ago. IIRC, her telomeres are shortening at a normal rate -- which would suggest she *IS* aging at that level.

    2. Re:Bioshock? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or Cowboy Bebop's "Sympathy for the Devil".

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  7. Re:Human not freak show by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right. Some tight skinny jeans and a bottle of vodka ... well, I suppose they should wait till she turns 21 for the vodka.

    In all seriousness, if she has the mental age of a 5 year old, she is probably quite content being treated as one, and it would be highly innappropriate to treat her as older than she "really" is.

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  8. Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    obviously the scientists studying her have far better qualifications and information than i do, but i can't help but think damage to the brain due to the stroke, coma, and brain tumor she suffered at age 4 (right before she stopped developing) could be a more likely cause than her particular genetic makeup.

    Well from the article they said:

    “has no apparent abnormalities in her endocrine system, no gross chromosomal abnormalities, or any of the other disruptions known to occur in humans that can cause developmental issues.”

    I assume that the endocrine system would have to be affected in order to cause such stunted growth? If the stroke, coma or brain tumor led to this wouldn't they see that abnormality reflected in these growth regulating systems? Also from the article the researchers claimed:

    “Cracking the code on Brooke’s condition,” Shadt wrote, “is the proverbial searching for a needle in a haystack, since likely there is one or a small number of letters changed in Brooke’s genome that has caused her condition.”

    Some googling turned up older studies that claim there are no known genetic disorders present or even chromosomal abnormalities and her telomeres seem to be shortening at the normal rate. Also, apparently her body parts are developing out of synchronization. I guess it's possible there is a hidden system that synchronizes development so that your body doesn't develop asymmetrically? And we just haven't found this yet.

    Sort of offtopic but I'm a little disappointed that this unfortunate affliction for this person is being spun as a possible "fountain of eternal youth" in the article. Come on, people. We should be working to better understand this so we can help people ... that Kurzweil Singularity bullshit should be left out of the discussion until we fully understand it.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Her condition may not be exactly "horrible". It's hard to know what she thinks of not being an adult.

      When I was 5, I though girls were icky. Continuing to be able to think that might have saved me a lot of time and money.

    2. Re:Wouldn't They See That in the Endocrine System? by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I'm actually a member of the team that works with her DNA. Right now we are busy with phasing her genomic data. We are trying to resolve for each mutation (SNP) on which chromosome it is present. Our technology is basically the only cheap way to do it. Unfortunately we only have her transcriptome data, not the complete genomic data. Other teams have not found anything excessively unusual, so it is entirely possible that an unusual combination of recessive mutations is responsible for this condition.

  9. Epigenetics by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, just analyzing genes might not be enough. Gene expression and epigenetics are the other half of the puzzle, and a bit more difficult to discover. Even if you know the code, it's damn difficult to determine where in the body (if anywhere) the code is or isn't active without taking samples all over the place and testing each.

    For the computer literate, think of it this way. The researches are disassembling the code of several people to see if there is a difference. But that doesn't tell them what the run time parameters were when a particular bit of code was run (or what inputs it may have had while running). And sampling a memory dump from one CPU in a massively parallel system doesn't give you the whole story either.

    Needle meets haystack.

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    1. Re:Epigenetics by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Funny

      It sounds like they have a small problem on their hands!

      I'll bet you're real fun at parties.

  10. Re:Mental appearance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    opp opp OPPAN JUNGIAN STYLE

  11. Re:Perpetual diaper changes by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

    A normal five year old can use the toilet. Not everyone developed as slowly as you.

  12. Balok's Love-Child by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Funny

    The kid's the product of a tranya fueled dalliance by her mom after a night out with Balok on his spaceship.

  13. She is growing by Jmc23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just not all at the same time. Her left eye is not the eye of a five year old.

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  14. Re:interesting. by Elder+Entropist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Insufficient iodine levels cause Cretinism by causing the thyroid to not produce sufficient growth hormones. Since the article states her hormones are normal...

  15. Re:Human not freak show by alexmipego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those researchers can't exactly get funding to cure a single patient that's literally unique with a syndrome that most likely never happened or will happen again.

    However, if you say she might have the key for the cure of cancer and to stop aging they sure will get funded fast. If by some miracle they find a possible cure in the process, there's a chance that she might get that cure where otherwise the chance is a fat zero.

  16. Re:Mental appearance? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heeeeeeey psych. class ladies!

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  17. Re:Human not freak show by Zordak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since when do 5 year olds nap? Mine (apparently) runs on a fission generator in overdrive from 7:00 a.m. to about 10:00 p.m.

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