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Valve Starts Promoting Steam For Linux To Windows Users

An anonymous reader writes "Steam is now being used by thousands of gamers running a Linux OS, and Valve has got to the point where they are happy to start urging Windows users to make the switch. Proof of that comes from a 'Join the Beta' promotion on the homepage of Steam suggesting you try Steam for Linux. There's even a download link to get Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, which removes yet another barrier to entry. With Gabe Newell's clear hatred of Windows 8, this shouldn't be a surprising move. We aren't going to see another version of Windows appear for a few years, so in Valve's eyes pushing Linux to gamers makes a lot of sense."

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  1. annual windows by genericmk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is worth pointing out that Microsoft has promised a more regular windows release so the comment of a few years wait for next Windows isn't correct. (or maybe not, maybe Microsoft will not deliver on its "promise").

    1. Re:annual windows by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair Valve is the one who was first to promise new versions of their flagship product in shorter periods of time and look what happened! :)

    2. Re:annual windows by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 3

      Curses, semi-annual Why Can't I Edit Or Abort Said Post occurrence!

      "put forth Microsoft does NOT have a extensive past history of delivering on promises?"

      1. Microsoft has a long history of delivering on promises.
      2. Said history is clear: they suck at delivering on promises.

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    3. Re:annual windows by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention until they find a way to fix the BIG PROBLEM which is a good 90%+ of the games are built around DirectX and therefor won't run on Linux? You can give it up. I mean who wants Steam on Linux when it has less selection than the already piss poor Steam for Mac?

      Sure they could try to incorporate Wine into Steam but I wouldn't be surprised if Valve ends up with a couple of years worth of lawsuits from MSFT which rightly or wrongly most likely MSFT WILL WIN since most of the Wine development is done in Europe where the laws on reverse engineering are VERY lax compared to ours. In the USA you had better use clean room procedures with strict separation between the one looking at the code to be reverse engineered and the guy writing the replacement.

      So I'm sorry but I just don't see how this is gonna get any traction. Not only will you not find Linux being sold on any machines in any B&M stores but when all the hottest games use a framework that you don't have and won't run without serious hoop jumping? Hell the whole point of Steam is its a "push button and get game" service and if the only way you can run the majority of games is to deal with a couple of pages of CLI crap and a LOT of finger crossing because most of the games run DirectX I don't see many people putting up with it.

      I still think this is all smoke and mirrors though, the REAL reason for Steam on Linux is Valve's Steambox which will run a GPL V2 only Linux (so they can use the hardware DRM that consoles require) and they are just letting the community beta test the software before it goes into production. Makes sense, if the console is a hit they can talk more devs into porting to OpenGL on Steambox and if they put out a console it needs to be solid on the software front, hence the beta testing. I just don't see how Steam on Linux could be the end goal, not with so many show stopping problems.

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    4. Re:annual windows by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The release date is 2015, which makes it a standard 3 years per release. Since they have already said ALL versions, not just Pro, will get a full 10 years of support this will allow businesses to skip a couple of releases (as they did by skipping Vista for 7, and are now skipping 8) without losing support while basically using the consumers for the beta testers for the features that will end up in the business friendly odd releases.

      Frankly I don't know why FOSS users would bitch about this since they are basically copying your "odd/even" or "LTS/regular" release concepts. If the reports are correct, which we've seen no indication that they aren't and a lot of evidence (Surface, MSFT stores, MSFT building their own hardware) that they are what you are gonna see with Windows is the same thing Apple users have had with OSX for ages, a $40 a pop upgrade and faster releases because like OSX instead of trying to come up with a shitload of new features to justify a $100-$200 price point they will just add a couple of things to each release and sell more of them on the fast release schedule.

      Personally I don't give a shit as long as the next "LTS Business release" aka Win 9 gives us the choice of getting rid of that damned metro crap in favor of a standard desktop and they make system builders and OEM pricing cheaper and more transparent.

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  2. Compatibility by Doodlesmcpooh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As soon as the games I already own and play work on Linux I will switch in a heartbeat.

    1. Re:Compatibility by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Funny

      As soon as all my old Xbox 1 titles work on Xbox360, ill upgrade.....

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    2. Re:Compatibility by DeathFromSomewhere · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clearly tuxracer is all the thrill he can handle.

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    3. Re:Compatibility by mortonda · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clearly tuxracer is all the thrill he can handle.

      I'm a Mac user stuck with the little puzzle thing where you slide the tiles. I would love to have access to the gaming awesomeness that is Tux Racer.

      Seriously? Try again.

    4. Re:Compatibility by davydagger · · Score: 3, Informative

      1999 called, they want their strawman back.

      1. What does MS have for package management? anything that compares to even slackware's primative system? They have still easy to hack web app updates. Linux systems have GPG signed packages. You can even add third party repos to make all packages on the system update together.

      Don'e get me started on microsoft's C++ redistributables. GLIBC has been ABI stable since 4.1 which was like what, EONs ago?

      If you need packages in linux, they are pulled, from a central repo, which is managed and supported, not installed by your shitty app. Only one set of libraries.

      2. inconsistant buggy desktop enviroments??? you mean like windows 8. Here is a fuc

      3. Drivers. laughable. Linux had USB 3 drivers 3 years before windows. There is right now a giant glitch with windows USB3 drivers, where linux has rock solid USB3 support. Hands down. Most drivers are baked into the kernel. If they are modules, most systems will autoprobe them at boot.

      Windows has to carefully manage drivers. Linux is so idiot proof, the concept of a "Live OS", is viable. One OS installed on a CD or USB stick will work on virtually all desktops, no driver installs needed.

      I've used linux live OSs on many many many machines. rarely do you find unsupported hardware. I can probably name them. the old broadcom 43xx series wireless chips need firmware which is license restricted, but otherwise work well with the b43. They haven't been made for years. (superceded by b44xxx, which works as intended), and a few intel cards which need easy to include non-kernel drivers.'

      4. buggy desktop - read any review of windows 8. read the feature list and it sounds like gnome 3, released 3 years ago.

      only diffrence, people can un-install gnome3 and use other desktops.

      which believe it or not, are compatibly thanks to freedesktop.org standards. My desktop from XFCE works in KDE. So do my settings. And all the desktop managers will recognize and list the major DMs, and even enlightenment.

      So don't believe the FUD. the only people who write horribly unsupported crappy software is MS, its because for years there was the illusision that you had not other choice, and FUD like the above comment.

      The only real problem with linux is the lack of AAA games, and big name software titles, much of that has to do with Windows relentless campaign of FUD dirrected at GNU, Linux, and associated projects, and community as a whole.

      Steam is the beginning of the end. There might be a few titles on Linux to start, but there will be more, and it will convince more companies to target linux.

      Once this happens, people are going to ask why they give a shit about windows in the first place.

  3. I'd like to get on this team action. by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where can I download it, I can only find Steam.

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    1. Re:I'd like to get on this team action. by RzTen1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a direct link to the install package: http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb

  4. Re:Why? by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, for one, if you build your own PC's and don't want to pirate software, then Linux is free. Saving the cost of an OS is big for me. You also have a system that is FAR less likely to be affected by malware.

    Also, once you get good on Linux the power of having a Unix command line available really becomes a boon. It took me a good year to 18 months of primary use on Linux, but at this point I truly feel more comfortable and efficient in Linux than in Windows. I use a 2nd computer on a KVM switch that runs Windows for playing games, but that's literally the only thing I do on that system - I genuinely dislike using Windows beyond that. If the games were available for Linux then I'd have little reason to keep a Windows machine/install at all.

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  5. Re:Lunux desktop by cod3r_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully a new era of game dev is upon us. This is not only great for linux, but great for people like myself who only use windows for games. Hopefully the video card makers will beef up their effort writing drivers and software for compatibility.

  6. Big Picture by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Steam is on the PC team, as opposed to the console team. Especially with Big Picture and the ability to filter for controller-friendly games, Valve seems to have taken a shot at encouraging people to set up a living-room PC instead of a major console.

  7. Re:Why? by cduffy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Windows is still trying to be backwards-compatible with an API and end-user experience that was designed around single-user systems, whereas the UNIXy legacy is from large university systems where users were expected to be hostile (and, frequently, were).

    Security on Windows has been getting a lot better over the last decade and a half, and it's going to continue to get better as Microsoft stops supporting legacy APIs and continues to modify workflows to adjust user expectations, but I'm still not much inclined to accept the assertion that there's no remaining difference that isn't directly and exclusively caused by the delta in marketshare.

  8. Re:Call me a skeptic here.... by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But I really can't see this being a successful venture.

    Why not? Game developers can't be hurt by being given a way to stay independent of any one company. Currently they can play the console vendors off each other, even if the platforms are vendor controlled. On the PC, they've never had anyone but Microsoft.

    Why would people bother with this when they can just play practically all of (if not actually all of) the same games on the windows PC that they already have?

    Because I want a choice other than "Microsoft or no games at all." I'm not alone, apparently.

  9. Re:Lunux desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully a new era of game dev is upon us

    As a developer of an unusual forthcoming FPS (i.e. FPS gameplay very far from CoDfield 6 & co.), I will be doing my bit. Linux and the BSDs are first-class citizens here.

    Hopefully the proportion of game developers giving Linux that treatment will keep growing at an accelerating rate.

  10. Re:Why? by patchmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Also, once you get good on Linux the power of having a Unix command line available really becomes a boon. It took me a good year to 18 months of primary use on Linux, but at this point I truly feel more comfortable and efficient in Linux than in Windows.

    This would be a valuable observation if you had first spent 18 months at the Windows command line. Of course, very few people are going to be willing to spend 18 months to get up to speed with using an OS.

    For the expert, the command line is hard to beat for speed and efficiency. For anyone who isn't an expert, the command line is a major hindrance. They do far better with the point and click graphical interface. So I'm not sure better efficiency after 18 months of training is really a big selling point to most people.

  11. Yes, Yes and Yes. by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You may not be alone... but do you seriously think that there are actually enough people like you to make this a successful venture?

    ...because the existing demographic(sic) has nothing to do with the future of computing. Android is set to overtake Windows this year as the dominant OS. Right now coding a Windows[Direct X] only game shuts out half of your potential audience, and Windows market share is set to decline further. The future is cross platform and steam is already there? The fact that one market is smaller than another is irrelevant when portability is not an afterthought...if it is Windows is likely to lose out not Linux.

  12. Re:Why? by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really!?! I've had plenty of linux systems break when using the built in update tools... At least some of the software I was using... and, ironically enough, it's happened to me far more than my osx or windows systems. As for preserving configs, for a while the default user config locations changed from ~/.appname (file) to ~/appname/file to ~/.config/appname/ and different apps doing it differently.. not *that* easy. There are a *LOT* of reasons to choose Linux over windows what you are talking about isn't it.

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  13. Re:Lunux desktop by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hopefully a new era of game dev is upon us. This is not only great for linux, but great for people like myself who only use windows for games. Hopefully the video card makers will beef up their effort writing drivers and software for compatibility.

    The resurgence of PC gaming started a couple of years ago and has only been picking up steam (see what I did there?). 2012 brought us some PC-centric games that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago, when we believed PC gaming was dying.

    The moves Valve is making will only be wind at the back of PC gaming, and by the time the ultra-expensive next gen consoles come out, the landscape is going to look plenty different.

    The future of gaming is not handheld. It's not console and it's not behind a walled garden. From AAA to the rawest indie title, PC gaming's future has not looked this bright in a long time.

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  14. My experience on ubuntu 12.04 by period3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    go to www.steampowered.com in firefox.
    click 'install steam'.
    click 'install steam now'
    choose 'open with' from the firefox popup

    Error: Cannot install 'libcurl3-gnutls:i386'.

    Typical linux. Good luck to Valve - they'll need it.

    1. Re:My experience on ubuntu 12.04 by period3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The solution turned out to be quite intuitive:

      sudo dpkg -r --force-all librtmp0
      sudo apt-get install librtmp0
      sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-multiarch

      Don't I feel silly... /sarcasm

    2. Re:My experience on ubuntu 12.04 by theskipper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In your rush to vent your anonymous rage against Linux, you failed to notice one thing. The person you accused of being a "fucking nerd dickhead" for posting the solution (period3)...is the same as the person who posted the problem (period3)...

      Heh.

  15. Re:Why? by jnork · · Score: 4, Funny

    More than one mouse button confuses me. That's why I only use Mac.

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  16. Re:Yawn! by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They don't get more profit from Linux vs. MS-Windows. But by having a platform that Microsoft can't corrupt or control, it means that Valve can remain relevant and for much longer. That has a great value to Valve.

    It also means Valve can develop a console/set-top using free Linux and pay nothing to MS or any other company to do so. That has a great value to Valve.

    [Real] Linux compatibility could also be a great step to an entry into Android Linux for Valve... the #1 mobile platform in the world. That has a great value to Valve.

  17. Re:Why? by Chryana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see that you are being sincere here, so I won't make another sarcastic reply. I just think that stronger arguments than that will be needed to convince people to switch over. The command line is a non starter for most people who have no special interest in information technologies. As for the cost of the OS, it is rather immaterial right now, because few people buy it at retail, so they never see the bill. Finally, I think the gaming crowd is not the best one to cater to for an alternate OS, because
    1. there are not that many games on Linux;
    2. the small community makes it difficult to get support when it doesn't work, for instance sound issues are pretty frequent, at least in my experience;
    3. I have seen some performance issues, but that was a few years ago and the situation may have improved;
    4. Gaming rigs can be expensive, so again, OS price is less of a factor.

    I would expand on these points, but I have to go now. Please accept my apologies, for I will not be able to answer any reply you make to this post in less than several hours, perhaps even until tomorrow.

  18. Re:3D in VM by dns_server · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the last year or so support for 3d acceleration inside a vm has been possible.

    Virtual box states that it has opengl and dirext3d 8/9 support in it's release notes.
    http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#guestadd-video

    I have not needed to use it so I am not sure how it performs.