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Researchers Use Lasers For Cooling

MatthewVD writes "Infrared cameras on satellites and night vision goggles could soon use lasers to cool their components. According to the study published in Nature, researchers in Singapore were able to cool the semiconductor cadmium sulfide from 62 degrees fahrenheit to -9 degrees by focusing a green laser on it and making it fluoresce and lose energy as light. Since they require neither gas nor moving parts, they can be more compact, free from vibration and not prone to mechanical failure."

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  1. I may finally install lights in my PC by jackb_guppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I seen some cool case mods with glowing lights, now they could actually serve a propose! Neat.

    1. Re:I may finally install lights in my PC by arc86 · · Score: 2

      If you want to turn 40 watts of heat into blue light, I'm figuring that's something like 5000 lumens you're creating according to the luminosity function. That's a conference room projector worth of light. Then you have to figure the laser power required to get that much heat out, which according to the article's 2 percent efficiency estimate would be...a lot. I don't know how "cooling efficiency" is defined. Ideally you'd move the emission to infrared, but that would be disastrous for your night vision goggles.

  2. Yeap, a bright idea by c0lo · · Score: 2

    So, shining a green laser into some goggles: what can go wrong?

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    1. Re:Yeap, a bright idea by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ze goggles, zey do NUTHINK!

      I see nothing wrong with the goggles... I see NOTHING! AAAAAHHHHHH

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    2. Re:Yeap, a bright idea by rally2xs · · Score: 2

      Are they heavy? Yes? Well then they're expensive. Put 'em back.

  3. Pff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Been saying lasers are cool for ages, but do they listen to me? Nooo...

    1. Re:Pff by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Been saying lasers are cool for ages, but do they listen to me? Nooo...

      So I'm out with the astronomy club with all our cool glass and tubes and stuff and have people looking at Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, M-13, fun stuff like that there. Someone asks, "Which star is Sirius?" I pull out my laser pointer and show them. Little kid says, "Whoa! That's COOL! Mom! Buy me one!"

      I tell the mother, "No, do not buy him one. Laser is not toy. Can blind himself or a friend with it. Under no circumstances should you buy him a laser. Buy him a UV flashlight to look at centipedes or something."

      Lasers are cool, but only for grown up kids.

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    2. Re:Pff by GumphMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These pointer lasers are controlled items in many places because, aside from the obvious general hazard, morons deliberately point them at aircraft cockpits. Only occasionally do the fools get identified but it warms the cockles of my heart when they do: I am an amateur astronomer and have also been involved in the airborne end of this stupidity.

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    3. Re:Pff by deimtee · · Score: 2

      A moron indeed. You need to be a malicious arsehole to point one at a plane, but how dumb do you have to be to point it at a Police helicopter!

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    4. Re:Pff by mat8913 · · Score: 2

      I liked lasers before they were cool.

  4. Efficiency by kevink707 · · Score: 2

    How efficient is this process? Would it be useful as a general replacement for current refrigeration technology?

    1. Re:Efficiency by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      I think it only cools things which fluoresce.

    2. Re:Efficiency by dywolf · · Score: 2

      Possibly not too efficient. But, this process has a huge advantage over current methods that is completely ignored by the article and many slashdotters so far: it would work in a vacuum. And when you're the only viable method in town for a certain niche, efficiency doesnt matter so much.

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    3. Re:Efficiency by DrStoooopid · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but when you close the door, the light will go on!

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  5. That wont work.. by Brad1138 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It would freeze the water around the shark.

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  6. Rubidium by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has been used to cool rubidium to near 0K in labs for a while. Takes some work (the laser needs to be *perfect*), but I've seen the setup myself at a previous employ at a local University.

    1. Re:Rubidium by Noughmad · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, this is different. What you describe is called Doppler cooling and is basically "slowing down" the atoms/ions.

      TFA, on the other hand, talks about using a laser to cause fluorescence in the material. It's a completely different principle.

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  7. Use SI units for reporting science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The scientists used SI units all the way through in their paper (Kelvin for temperature), and they would have been laughed out of court and certainly not published in Nature if they'd done otherwise.

    Why does Slashdot even accept a submission in Fahrenheit when the subject is science? Most nerds understand SI units, and most of the planet is metric. How about trying to be a bit educational for the few that don't? Quote both if you're trying to be helpful, with the SI units as primary for science reporting and imperial equivalents only in brackets.

    1. Re:Use SI units for reporting science by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Why does Slashdot even accept a submission in Fahrenheit when the subject is science?

      Because you can't do car analogies in SI units. It just doesn't work.

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  8. Re:Defeats the purpose by aXis100 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's only the sensor that needs to be cooled below ambient, other parts can use traditional methods. So, you make the back side of the sensor flouresce, capture that light in a chamber where it is converted back to heat, then dissipate that heat through regular air cooled heatsinks.

    In the end it's just shifting the heat whilst working against a thermal gradient - same as a refridgerative system, but without moving parts.

  9. Cool! by tsa · · Score: 2

    But what cools the laser?

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    1. Re:Cool! by gman003 · · Score: 2

      More lasers.

    2. Re:Cool! by Nationless · · Score: 5, Funny

      Another laser, duh.

    3. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's lasers all the way down.

  10. Re:Might work ? by unrtst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Presumably the system would be completely self contained. Neither the laser nor the fluorescing being visible. Maybe we can think of the fluorescing as a mechanism to conduct heat from the electronic components to the case of the NVG. Of course that would heat up the NVG case but perhaps it is not emitting in the iR anymore than the person's face underneath it. More info is needed.

    I've seen multiple posts like this one, and they all seem to be missing a huge point (maybe I'm getting trolled? ... or maybe I'm completely wrong).

    From the article (sorry, I read it):
    "...starting from 290 kelvin. We use a pump laser with a wavelength of 514 nanometres, and obtain an estimated cooling efficiency of about 1.3 per cent and an estimated cooling power of 180 microwatts."

    Where the hell is all the heat going if you stick this thing inside some goggles with the direct purpose of cooling something inside said goggles? That question has nothing to do with the above quote... it's there to drive it home - look at how inefficient this process is!?! I'm sure it's extremely useful and interesting for a great many cases, but I don't see (pun) how this is good for night vision goggles.

    I keep picturing a guy on a sailboat blowing really hard on his sail.

  11. A perfect CPU fan replacement? by Twinbee · · Score: 2

    Would it be possible to cool CPU chip surfaces by coating them with this glowing material to achieve the same effect?

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  12. Laser cooling is handy, but requires precision by drwho · · Score: 2

    Handy for things like uranium isotope separation, and also for creating things like Bosenovas. The problem is, that the process is very sensitive to the frequency of the laser. If these guys have found a way to reliably, inexpensively create the right frequency of light to cool anything...then that substance can act as a heat sink to cool other substance. This could open a whole exciting new era of science and technology. But I won't hold my breathe, the proof is in the pudding, etc.

  13. Sundive in 5...4...3...2...1 by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

    We have our refrigerator laser, now all we need is a stasis generator, to "control the flow of tune and space through the body of the Sunship, so that the violent tossing of the chromosphere would seem a gentle rocking to those inside." And I'm sure we'll have that any day now.

    Yup.

    Any.
    Day.
    Now.

  14. Re:Defeats the purpose by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, Hollywood prop designers finally feel vindicated.

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  15. Re:NOT NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you actually read the paper (hah), you will see that the mechanism is pretty different (solid state vs gas).

  16. temperature in celsius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry about hijacking this thread, but nobody seems to have posted the temperatures in a proper scale yet, so here we go:

    Researchers in Singapore were able to cool the semiconductor cadmium sulfide from 17 degrees Celsius to -23 degrees

    1. Re:temperature in celsius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A proper scale? Shouldn't it be in Kalvin then?

      Researchers in Singapore were able to cool the semiconductor cadmium sulfide from 290 Kelvin to 250 Kelvin

      Fixed your fix.

    2. Re:temperature in celsius by Cmdrm · · Score: 2

      A proper scale? Shouldn't it be in Kelvin then?

      Researchers in Singapore were able to cool the semiconductor cadmium sulfide from 290 Kelvin to 250 Kelvin

      Fixed it for myself

      Fcuk, I shouldn't comment after flying (Kelvin are absolute units)

    3. Re:temperature in celsius by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it should be in Hobbes.

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  17. Re:Pfft by coldproduct · · Score: 2

    Agreed, having worked with a lab that certifies products sold in the US (21 cfr) and internationally (60825-1 and -2), lasers have gotten more powerful and compact than most folks realize. Class 4 lasers are easily integrated into the handheld green pointers that most of us have seen. What isnt realized is that the 150mw pointers that will blind you like a thief in the night. I have posted blue 445nm and green 532nm lasers to youtube that I have made burning through objects in close proximity, remember these are handheld pointers. Its all about your collimation, and focus on the desired target. These things are dangerous, and used by kids in third world countries for fun. Oh, btw green lasers emit 3 distinct wavelengths, 808 (almost invisible, therby bypassing your blink aversion), 1064nm (same deal), and 532nm which happens to be the peak wavelength for the cones in your eyeball which appears very intense.

  18. Re:Wow, Singapore !!l by bitingduck · · Score: 2

    I've known more than a few USians who left and went to Singapore because the funding situation is a lot less hassle-- no more proposals to underfunded agencies with low hit rates for small pots of money. Singapore sets them up with a nice lab and stable funding so they can do the things they went into science for in the first place. It doesn't sound bad, but I wouldn't really want to live in Singapore.