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Alan Cox Exits Intel, Linux Development

judgecorp writes "Linux kernel developer Alan Cox has left Intel and Linux development after slamming the Fedora 18 distribution. He made the announcement on Google+ and promised that he had not fallen out with Linus Torvalds, and would finish up all outstanding work." Also at Live Mint, which calls Cox's resignation notice a "welcome change from the sterility, plain dishonesty of CEO departure statements." Cox says in that statement that he's leaving "for a bit," and "I may be back at some point in the future - who knows."

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  1. Maybe it's really family reasons.. by js3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes a man needs to stop coding to take care of his family relationships..

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    1. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Funny

      I will pick up his throne as a rock star Linux developer.

    2. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      something people in our industry should do more

    3. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The culture encourages it. You hear things like 'being there for the team', 'stepping up to the plate', 'putting in the extra 110% effort'. Then you have those who try to out macho each other with number of hours in a week (knew one guy who liked 110 hour weeks). Or those who actually dislike their family life and want to do as little as possible with it (funny making the problem worse). Then expect others around them to be doing the same thing. The old saying is true misery loves company.

      Extra is ok once and awhile. But once it becomes every damn time you start to see the cracks of process that are wrong.

      We keep making the same mistakes over and over as a group because we do not bother to learn from the 'old guys'.

      If work is your life what happens when they lay you off/fire you/eliminate your position?

    4. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      'putting in the extra 110% effort'

      Isn't 210% a tad unreasonable? 70% would be great, but probably unachievable. I'd aim for 60%.

    5. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seasonal affective disorder is a serious problem at northern latitudes. Personally I've been much more productive and happy since I had my employer buy some full spectrum bulbs for the lights over my cube. It's probably the best investment they ever made since it was like $20 and they're already 3 years old, 3 winters of increased productivity has to worth over $100k.

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    6. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by ZombieThoughts · · Score: 3, Funny

      Male porn stars.

    7. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by miknix · · Score: 4, Informative

      yes it is, it is written all over his g+ post:

      I'm leaving the Linux world and Intel for a bit for family reasons. I'm aware that "family reasons" is usually management speak for "I think the boss is an asshole" but I'd like to assure everyone that while I frequently think Linus is an asshole (and therefore very good as kernel dictator) I am departing quite genuinely for family reasons

      was the family reasons left out from TFA on purpose or what?

    8. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by vawwyakr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate this culture. I see it everywhere. My wife works 10-12 hour days then gets home and has to respond to emails for an hour or two after dinner. She has to do that just to meet expectations....needless to say I'm hoping we can find her a new job.

      My job is much better but its still here, I just choose to ignore it and can get away with doing so. My manager just had a new kid (well his wife did) and get was back at work the next day and working his normal 12 hour day. A woman I work with had a baby and didn't even take a month off, she was back at work full time.

      Disgusting if you ask me and I think a far bigger cause of our societal problems than anything else out there. If you can't enjoy life or be bothered to care for you family then what are you doing this for??

    9. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In a recent PaulDotCom podcast about burnout in IT, Jack Daniels brought up a good point. We IT people love the 40-hour work week. It's why we never settle for just one.

      There's a fairly serious problem within the general IT realm that has to do with burnout. A lot of professions (firefighters, air traffic control, medical field) have people watching out for those burning out and have ways to help them cope. Because we just deal with computers and sit at a desk most of the time, it's presumed that we have a cushy job and we're not really at risk. We also, as Jack mentions at about that same time, are often hit by a hero complex: only we can do this particular job right now. That might be arrogance--only we can do it--or it might be justification--it will take longer to show someone else how to do it than for me to just do it myself--but it still can stack up until something in our life breaks. That something might be our job when we can no longer do it right or we blow up at the wrong person, it might be our career when we come to hate the work in general, it might be our family or friends because we're not spending time with them, or it might be ourselves when our health suffers. Of course, if we do try to balance it, we face the wrath of our peers who become convinced that we can no longer cut it. Whether real or imaginary, that adds stress, too, and in general there are few mechanisms to catch someone pushing the edge.

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    10. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm.. Sounds like you're not too bad off then. My company couldn't care less about me.

    11. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by marsu_k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sometimes I wish I lived in Europe where a 2 week vacation is not considered a bad thing.

      Two weeks? Four weeks in the summer, one around February and another at Autumn (and, depending on your job, you can either take the latter two then or combine them with your summer vacation). And the time between xmas and new year is pretty much dead business-wise, so at least at our company everyone "works at home" then (basically answering emails if needed, nothing else). I can't imagine having only two weeks, let alone less.

    12. Re:Maybe it's really family reasons.. by CRC'99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And this is why Alan Cox is a legend. I've dealt with him a few times and EVERY time I have he has been a pure joy to talk to.

      He has a great way of telling things how they are and even takes the time to help relative newbies into improving their skills and contributions.

      So, three cheers to Alan and I hope we see him back in the future.

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  2. Family Reasons by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:

    I'm aware that 'family reasons' is usually management speak for "I think the boss is an asshole"

    I always thought it was management speak for "the board realized I'm incompetent and demanded my resignation." Maybe it has a different interpretation in the UK?

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    1. Re:Family Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No in the UK 'family reasons' usually means 'The torrid affair I;ve been having with my secretary has been found out and plastered all over the red tops'. Hence 'I need to spend more time with my family'.

    2. Re:Family Reasons by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In his case, it definitely doesn't mean that. Having corresponded with him in the very early days of Linux, I found him to be supremely competent, surprisingly helpful (given his workload), and genuinely pleasant. None of those attributes align with your interpretation of the phrase.

      I can't think of anyone who has given more to the Linux community than Mr. Cox - not even Linus, actually - and his departure will be felt immediately, and profoundly.

    3. Re:Family Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cox has always been extremely helpful to those contacting him directly. He used to work for NTL (broadband supplier in the UK that gobbled up local smaller outfits until Virgin ate them up), after dealing with support drones you could get put through to the real admins, and I ended up with him once because I was using that strange thing called "leenoox" and the first genuine tech I got knew he was "into that stuff". Chatting away, he grilled me on databases once he learned I worked on AS/400s. A few years later after I jumped ship, he was very helpful with dell server drive controller driver woes.

  3. let him rest for a bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    great work dude. Take a nap and come back soon

  4. Google+ by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, one thing's for sure: He was clearly hoping to avoid wide-spread notice of his move or he would have chosen a different venue.

  5. Happens by RevDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alan Cox has done some very amazing things over the years. He deserves a chance to get away from tech for a bit. Hopefully he rests up, spends some time with his family, goes on a couple vacations, etc.

    Within some interval, he'll likely be back doing something. It's hard to stay retired for someone that good.

    1. Re:Happens by Luyseyal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks. I was also thinking of the time he quit TTY development... thankless job that it is.

      -l

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  6. He's done it before by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Went off for a few years to learn Welsh and commune with sheep or something. But he came back then and he'll come back again. You can't keep a hacker (in the old sense of the word) like Cox away from a compiler for long!

    1. Re:He's done it before by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

      learn Welsh and commune with sheep

      Isn't that redundant?

      No, it's ruminant.

    2. Re:He's done it before by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

      learn Welsh and "commune" with sheep or something.

      I believe I've just learned a new euphamism.

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    3. Re:He's done it before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you meant "ewephemism".

  7. Re:Great, more OSS fracturing by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod this offtopic if you like

    You're not offtopic, you're just wrong. I hope you don't get moderated at all.

    Every time some individual developer or group of developers gets their panties in a bunch about something they disagree with, they take their ball, go home, and start yet another fork of whatever-the-fuck software.

    This is the part where you should have read what you've written, considered the meaning, and then terminated your entire comment. You have successfully included the very reason why OSS is superior to closed-source, and then gone on to come to precisely the wrong conclusion based on the available facts. The truth is that this sort of thing happens all the time in closed-source software, too, except nobody produces another fork. Someone gets upset with their life and quits and the project has to be reorganized. But if the reorganized project is doomed to fail in the closed-source world, then it will simply fail, whereas with open source or free software it may be forked and the fork may be successful. Moreover, this kind of protection works for us whether the problem is someone deciding they don't want to play marbles any more (the marbles aren't theirs, so they can't take them all and go home) or someone pissing in the middle of the marble court; we just take the marbles somewhere else, like we're seeing happen right now with MySQL and MariaDB.

    It's not only hopelessly confusing to consumers (just TRY explaining the concept of "distros" to your grandma sometime),

    Just use a car analogy. The car companies don't make all the parts that go into the cars, and all the car companies use parts from the same manufacturers.

    but it make OSS feel like it's in a constant state of half-assed/never-finished/abandoned, as opposed to commercial software

    Uh, how does that contrast with commercial software? It's true that there are commercial software packages which have seen continual development since their inception, but that's true of noncommercial, open source packages like Apache, the Linux kernel, and so on. And frankly, the average user is immune to the influences you describe. They're installing an Ubuntu LTS and they're simply not having the problems you're having because they don't have the needs you have. The battle for control of X.org didn't affect them at all. Most people have at least an nVidia 8xxx series or later, so they can use the current driver. Etc etc. You're attempting to describe a problem which doesn't exist. Have you seen how pissed off people are at Windows 8? Are you aware of how much used hardware is on the market because it's not supported by Windows 7, let alone 8?

    I know this is not a popular sentiment on /. (to say the least). But, what the fuck. I've got some extra karma to burn.

    If you lose karma it will be because you left a completely illogical comment, describing the strength of OSS as a weakness. The fact is that the closed-source world actually deals with this problem less well than the open source world.

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  8. Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He is finally going to stop wasting time on Linux and do something important like writing Abermud 6!

    > kiss runesword
    > get runesword
    rampage!!!!111!!11ONE

  9. That was quick by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ubuntu ruined him sooner than I thought it would.

  10. "Linus is an asshole" - Alan by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTFG+: "I frequently think Linus is an asshole (and therefore very good as kernel dictator) ... I've had great fun working there."

    The funny part is, Linus would probably chuckle and agree with that statement. You can tell these two have been working together for a long time because there isn't any malice in what he said. He's being absolutely authentic.

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    1. Re:"Linus is an asshole" - Alan by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. I've worked with some people who pretty much *had* to play the a**hole in their job-role at times. It was great when they were on your side, but if you ever had them come at you, heaven help you. That being said, if said person was in your face, it was usually for a reason. One might feel that the dictator was being an a**hole, but really they're just pushing you to get things done in a way that (they see) benefits the project/team as a whole.

    2. Re:"Linus is an asshole" - Alan by Cloud+K · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah pretty sure he would.

      In an interview with Linux Format (issue 163) he says about Git "I'manegotisticalbastard,andInameallmyprojectsaftermyself.First'Linux',now'Git'."

      And about his role in the kernel - "realistically what I maintain these days is not the code but the workflow for people. And that sometimes gets my goat in a big way when somebody does something stupid in a big way, and then I get really excited, and by excited I mean I curse at people."

      Definitely detecting a tone of humour (and truth) in those statements.

  11. explaining the concept of distros to your grandma by jankoh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, grandma, Linux distro's are restaurants, where you can eat, but they also share their recipes in cookbooks(if you want): everybody has a bit different choice of the recipes they like, not all of them can be used with all kind of stoves ("Debian" can use most kinds of "stoves": i586, arm, ...) and but all in all, the food served and the contents of those books is quite similar - as there are only so many recipes in the world. In some of those restaurants you have to cook the food (or better said make it warm) yourself - e.g. at Gentoo's :-) But he community there is lovely, and their help you. The cooks that put together those recipes may not be the best in the world (not all of them are chefs in a restaurant with 5 Michelin stars), but unlike those chefs, they believe in sharing the recipes.(and this really seems to be the best way, as in such a way the cheap, quite good quality food can get to the masses - see e.g. the current rise of the fastfood chain called Android.) And many of these cooks, give you even the meal for free, or cheaply. The joy/price ratio is high, though maybe not for everybody. (there are e.g. "snobs" who still prefer those "Michelin" restaurants. In last years, the one offering apple-only diet, is quite popular, providing visually very nicely served, but quite expensive meals or there is still that, almost monopoly(with huged Windows), where they serve those very little pieces of food ("micro"), softly boiled :-)

  12. Cox would finish up all outstanding work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    So his so-so work will be left incomplete then?

  13. Re:Good decision Coxy by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I quit Linux development 10 years ago and I never looked back. You get your life back.

    You never get your life back. The arrow of time doesn't allow that. You can get a new part of your life reminiscent of the old, but it won't ever be the same. What's gone is gone, so look forward.

  14. Good job Fedora devs by ikaruga · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a worldwide known top kernel developer to switch to ubuntu and leave development, Fedora 18 must be obscenely bad.

    1. Re:Good job Fedora devs by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      For a worldwide known top kernel developer to switch to ubuntu and leave development, Fedora 18 must be obscenely bad.

      That's like saying the Pacific is pretty moist.

  15. Re:Depends if that coding pays the family bills by TheMathemagician · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just think of the money he's saved on shaving products and haircuts.

  16. Can we blame Unity for this? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, mere hours after slating F18 and switching to Ubuntu, he's decided to quit Linux development? I mean, it *could* just be a coincidence... but... hmmmmmm, I wonder....

  17. He replied. "Dear slashdot" by Barryke · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a followup post:

    Dear Slashdot, switching one system that run Ubuntu in a VM to Fedora into running Ubuntu does not constitute 'switching to Ubuntu'. I've been running Unbuntu for some jobs (like building Android images) for ages 8). In fact I run several distros (Fedora still included)

    And for that matter my goldfish boot/stress test image is a hacked Debian fs image...

    I hope slashdot gets better at journalism, because right now they stink almost as bad as us, users. We are either busy building funny replies to trolls or trying to craft an informative post, they the editors keep on posting submitted trolls or historic redirect links filled with ads.

    Since its so short, here is TCFP (the complete f' post) as well:

    I'm leaving the Linux world and Intel for a bit for family reasons. I'm aware that "family reasons" is usually management speak for "I think the boss is an asshole" but I'd like to assure everyone that while I frequently think Linus is an asshole (and therefore very good as kernel dictator) I am departing quite genuinely for family reasons and not because I've fallen out with Linus or Intel or anyone else. Far from it I've had great fun working there.

    Most of the people who should know more do, I know I've missed a few.

    I may be back at some point in the future - who knows. In the mean time if you'd like my job (or indeed one of a range of others) we're hiring 8)

    Alan
    [oh and +Greg Kroah-Hartman I will be tidying up the goldfish remaining work rather than just doing a runner on you]
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  18. Wishing him and his familly all the best by pieleric · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the website of a business that Alan seems to run separately from his job at Intel, he had aldready mentionned familly illness. (http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/news.html). I guess this is the "familly reasons".

    Alan Cox has already contributed enourmously to Linux but hopefully things will get better for him and his familly, and he'll be able to contribute even further :-)

    Lately he has been trying to cover a bit the mess than Intel had done with the Poulsbo hardware (GMA500). As an owner of such a hardware, I'm very grateful for this. So I now wish him and his familly all the best in the hard time.

  19. Re:Depends if that coding pays the family bills by CrashandDie · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean the money he's shaved off haircuts?

  20. Same guy for 22 years. Not "take ball go home" by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting
    He was at the top of the Linux structure for TWENTY TWO YEARS and now he's taking a break. That does exactly look like a bunch of people who "Every time... they disagree take their ball and go home". I'm looking around at this company where most of what they do is proprietary. I don't see ANYONE who has been here, doing the same thing, for twenty-two years like Alan Cox was.

    but it make OSS feel like it's in a constant state of half-assed/never-finished/abandoned, as opposed to commercial software--where a central leadership maintains control (and controls people's salaries and the IP).

    There is a difference between proprietary and OSS there. OSS tends to not have less useful features like eye candy because people author the features they use. Proprietary software, on the other hand, is marketing driven, so it tends to have a pretty GUI for many features that don't actually work.

  21. Re:Depends if that coding pays the family bills by yanyan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hear it was a hatful.

  22. Re:Great, more OSS fracturing by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the part where you should have read what you've written, considered the meaning, and then terminated your entire comment. You have successfully included the very reason why OSS is superior to closed-source, and then gone on to come to precisely the wrong conclusion based on the available facts.

    Oh please, like constant fracturing and duplication of effort is always a benefit. Branching is one thing but full blown forks start with one issue and the rest of the code start drifting apart too leading to situations where you can have feature X in fork A and feature Y in fork B but not both and it has no connection to issue Z that caused the fork. Or your fork doesn't have the bugfix that other fork fixed and it doesn't even apply cleanly if you can cherry-pick it in git. Most forks don't fail because their solution shows itself to be so superior or inferior, but by who can attract the other developers and keep up the maintenance of everything else. It is far more a game of attrition than most would admit.

    Analogy time, say you're 10 people who want to move a big rock. In the cathedral version, the leader supplies a rope and tell everyone to pull in the same direction and the rock moves. In the bazaar version they could all work out their differences and submit to a benevolent dictator in the same way, but 99% of the time they don't so they each fork off and try their own one and two-men solution except for the people who people who decided it wasn't their itch to scratch so they went home and those who didn't want to move the stone because they now assumed the stone was there and so absolutely nothing happens. Or for that matter, OSS developers are like herding cats so what would you rather have, a dog sleigh or a cat sleigh? Of course the downside of the cathedral model is that one person can lead everyone into the abyss.

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  23. Re:"Extra is ok once AND awhile" by geminidomino · · Score: 3

    Pedantically speaking (and all grammar flames are an invitation to pedantry), your correction should be more contextual. The phrase "a while" is, indeed, two words when used in the noun form such as in the idiom which so efficiently ignited your pique. However, in adverb form, the spelling "awhile" has been in use for at least 8-1100 years (depending on source), so your 'correction' is unnecessarily broad.

    Oh, and 3/5 of your post are also malformed sentence fragments.

    *pushes glasses up on nose*

    (And this is one of the ways I avoid developer burnout. ;) )

  24. Re:Good decision Coxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In this case, the idiom "you get your life back" has the meaning "there are many fewer demands on your time, thus freeing you up to live your life".

    Nobody actually thought it meant reversing the arrow of time.

    +5, huh? Sheesh.

  25. Re:Great, more OSS fracturing by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh please, like constant fracturing and duplication of effort is always a benefit.

    Oh please, like there isn't massive duplication of effort in the closed source world. In fact, there is substantially more, because there is so much less code sharing.

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