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Steve Jobs Movie Clip Historically Inaccurate, Says Woz

Yesterday saw the release of a clip from the upcoming movie jOBS, a biopic about the life of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs. The clip shows Jobs, played by Ashton Kutcher, having a conversation with Steve Wozniak, played by Josh Gad, about how influential an operating system for a personal computer would be. The real Steve Wozniak commented on the clip, saying the situation it portrayed was "totally wrong." He said, "Personalities and where the ideas of computers affecting society did not come from Jobs. They inspired me and were widely spoken at the Homebrew Computer Club. Steve came back from Oregon and came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about this great social impact. His idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 to help people at the club build the computer I'd given away. Steve came from selling surplus parts at HalTed he always saw a way to make a quick buck off my designs (this was the 5th time). The lofty talk came much further down the line." Wozniak was quick to add that he isn't making any judgment on the quality of the movie based on a single, 1-minute clip, and that the rest of the movie may or may not be more accurate. He also says he hopes it's entertaining.

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  1. More context provided in the extended clip. by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Funny

    This scene came after the bit where Jobs signed The Beatles, and before he wrote the software that made the special effects in the original Star Wars trilogy possible.

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    1. Re:More context provided in the extended clip. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Re: your signature. Is that a joke or did that line actually come from an old Star Trek episode?

      As Benjamin Franklin once said, "yes, that was an actual line from an old Star Trek episode".

    2. Re:More context provided in the extended clip. by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

      The line wasn't uttered on the air, it was printed in Dr. Spock's book on child care

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    3. Re:More context provided in the extended clip. by ischorr · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but I'm pretty sure this is grounds for Slashdot account deletion.

    4. Re:More context provided in the extended clip. by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think we can agree that the founding fathers, Jefferson most of all, preferred Star Trek at the time. You'll notice that live long and prosper appears in the Declaration. What's true is that Lincoln, arguably a less cerebral man, was a drooling Lucas fanboi. This explains the lines regarding his use of the force in a time of rebellion in the Emancipation Proclamation.

    5. Re:More context provided in the extended clip. by durrr · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was also before he invaded poland.

  2. Apple summed up in one breath! by phx_zs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "His idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 to help people at the club build the computer I'd given away"

    1. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ok, the Apple Mod Army will be here any minute now. Grab your ankles.

      Aggrandizement of Jobs was probably the only option open to the screenwriters.
      If the movie were written to show the real Jobs, they would have been sued into oblivion.

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    2. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not but the two are hardly the same.

      Steve's idea was to sell something for $40 that the customer could build themselves for $20, a 100% markup. The idea the folks behind Raspberry Pi have is to order parts in a quantity of scale that allows them to build and sell you something you could not hope to put together yourself for that price.

      That is not the same thing at all.

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    3. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have mod points right now, I'm an across-the-board Apple user, and I think this movie is very likely no more than sycophantic shite for pinheads.

      Everything the Mac is, came from Apple engineers. Not Jobs. Everything I like about Macs (which is almost everything), and everything I hate (like the stupid, stupid one-menu-to-serve-them-all, the inability to send keystrokes to anything but the frontmost app, the immense memory leaks in Safari, the limited control of the audio system, the broken color pipeline, the constant stream of deprecated APIs, the crackpot leakage of IOS concepts into OSX, the lack of a mid-tower... I could go on but I'll spare you.) Likewise, everything the iPad/Phone/Pod ecosystem is, came from Apple engineers. Not Jobs.

      Jobs took these things and marketed them. He cherrypicked them, too. Whoopie. This is only notable in a culture that is in love with illusion -- television, etc.

      Jobs is gone. Apple isn't. Apple still puts out great products. And bugs and irritations. And tries to be our "mommy." It's like anything good, really... issues remain. So the best users keep poking at them, hopefully they will do better as a result.

      Anyway, none of my mod points, at least, will be used to step on those irritated with the Apple PR machine, which, IMHO, is the only place you will ever run into Jobs. Or his shade.

    4. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You mean the part where he stole all of his ideas from existing works by some of the first "open source" people before there was even an "open source" or the part where he parked in handicap spots for most of his life using his money to keep his Mercedes unregistered, just so he could... because simply getting his own parking slot wouldn't show the world just how big his dick really was?

    5. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They made a real Jobs movie. It was called American Psycho..

    6. Re:Apple summed up in one breath! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Everything the Mac is, came from Apple engineers. Not Jobs.

      At least one mac engineer has a strongly different view than you.

      Not only did he know and love product engineering, it's all he really wanted to do. He told me once that part of the reason he wanted to be CEO was so that nobody could tell him that he wasn't allowed to participate in the nitty-gritty of product design. He was right there in the middle of it. All of it. As a team member, not as CEO. He quietly left his CEO hat by the door, and collaborated with us.

      I dislike the guy as much as anyone -- I believe that he is directly responsible for apple becoming exactly what their 1984 Mac commercial parodied and I think he was a giant prick for abandoning his daughter for the first two years of her life, making her mother live on welfare while apple was booming -- but I believe it is entirely possible for a person to have more than one side to their personality.

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  3. Oops by Computershack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bit of a bitch for the script writer when someone who was actually there at the time who was 50% of the partnership is still alive and can call bullshit. One wonders why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.

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    1. Re:Oops by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One wonders why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.

      Because they are more interested in making the movie entertaining than historically accurate. Woz is quibbling over details. Most movies about things that really happened have huge deviations from accuracy. For example, the movie about Facebook had a completely made-up girlfriend as a significant character.

    2. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the truth doesn't sell well. Blind idol worship over a dead guy is much sexier.

    3. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Woz is quibbling over details.

      I dunno. Woz is actually quite nice. If somebody made a movie with me in it in which I wear a suit and tie even though I never do that in real life, I'd be pretty pissed.

    4. Re:Oops by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      One wonders why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.

      I think the quote shows exactly why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.

      It's hard to create a hagiography when the saint's family is around to tell everybody that he pissed in the bathtub.

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    5. Re:Oops by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

      You think all the scenes in Lincoln really happened?

      He didn't kill vampires?

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    6. Re:Oops by SolitaryMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bit of a bitch for the script writer when someone who was actually there at the time who was 50% of the partnership is still alive and can call bullshit. One wonders why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.

      Because they want to spend $20M on the movie and sell it for $40M.

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    7. Re:Oops by antdude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they were accurate, then they would be documentaries. ;)

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    8. Re:Oops by Intropy · · Score: 4, Funny

      He said all the scenes. Of course that part is accurate.

  4. Historicaly accurate by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone want to see something historically accurate? Do you really want to see Jobs portrayed accurately?

    It will never happen because the hero worship that is going to sell this movie would die if people knew the real Steve Jobs. You know the guy that stole other peoples ideas, actively suppressed worker wages, humiliated employees and random people he met, screwed over Steve Jobs, refused his own daughter for years, tore apart people's life work, disrespected other companies intellectual property and then started World War P.

    You could fill this thread with war stories from the people that Steve Jobs burned. That's now what's going to sell this movie at this time, give it a few years and someone might be willing to do so, but until the idol worship tempers down it simply wont sell.

    1. Re:Historicaly accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Jobs is the new Edison. They were both self-loving monsters who stole and borrowed, then claimed credit.

    2. Re:Historicaly accurate by jlund · · Score: 5, Informative

      My understanding is that Pirates of the Silicon Valley is fairly accurate. Does not paint Jobs in the best light.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/

    3. Re:Historicaly accurate by SolitaryMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, sorta...

      It is still a movie and it dramatizes a lot of very simple Gates' and Jobs' actions. If you want a real history, I suggest going with documentary Triumph of the Nerds

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    4. Re:Historicaly accurate by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      when you think about it, jobs /woz and edison /tesla is a damn good comparison. I would say that tesla did the "hard work" not that edison didnt do much hard work, but tesla was the brains. Edison had the marketablility. You can make the same argument with jobs woz. I dont think anyone can argue that woz was the brains behind the technical side of things while jobs was the mouthpiece, he was the salesman. not that jobs was not technical but he was no wheres near woz on that level.

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    5. Re:Historicaly accurate by pauljlucas · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you want a real history, I suggest going with documentary Triumph of the Nerds.

      It's better, but it completely omits the major role that Commodore played at the time. To my knowledge, Commodore has never had any significant mention in any documentary or movie.

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    6. Re:Historicaly accurate by sydneyfong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After Jobs was booted from Apple, he built two companies, without involvement from Woz.

      One merged into Apple. One merged into Disney. The transactions were in the order of billions of dollars, and arguably revitalized the two companies, and helped them keep their positions as the leaders of their respective industries.

      Call it salesmanship if you insist -- it was *very* fine salesmanship. Could Jobs have done it without Woz? Yes, he actually did it twice. You don't have to like him personally to recognize that.

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  5. They turned Woz into a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a shit piece of film-making. Woz was the real hero behind Apple.

  6. Halted was the focus for starting Apple?! by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hello,

    The company Woz mentioned, Halted Specialties Company, is still around. Great source of electronics surplus and I have any fond memories of visits there over the past decades and wandering around their dusty shelves. I had no idea they were so instrumental in the founding of Apple Computer.

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  7. The sad fact of life is ... by chepati · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that 50 years from now the media will have deified Jobs and next generations will believe he was a much much larger than life superhero who bootstrapped the entire computer industry and singlehandedly created new innovative products and touched so many people on a deep and personal level through his enduring work. And the real heros, Woz and the hundreds of Apple engineers and designers, will remain a footnote in some obscure appendix in a seldom read computer book, if that.

    Makes me sick, this cult of the Jobs personality and posthumous canonization of a glorified $20-profit salesman.

    1. Re:The sad fact of life is ... by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The sad fact of life is that 50 years from now the media will have deified Jobs and next generations will believe he was a much much larger than life superhero who bootstrapped the entire computer industry and singlehandedly created new innovative products and touched so many people on a deep and personal level through his enduring work. And the real heros, Woz...

      It's quote amusing to see all these people criticising the deifying of Jobs, which isn't actually happening, whilst at the same time they are deifying Woz.

    2. Re:The sad fact of life is ... by tyrione · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... that 50 years from now the media will have deified Jobs and next generations will believe he was a much much larger than life superhero who bootstrapped the entire computer industry and singlehandedly created new innovative products and touched so many people on a deep and personal level through his enduring work. And the real heros, Woz and the hundreds of Apple engineers and designers, will remain a footnote in some obscure appendix in a seldom read computer book, if that.

      Makes me sick, this cult of the Jobs personality and posthumous canonization of a glorified $20-profit salesman.

      The only people complaining of any fame are fans of Woz. Follow Wozniak's track record once the Macintosh [which he had nothing to do with] arrived. He completed a double B.S., got married, and did nothing but small, mindless little startups while getting paid today $120k a year [honorarily by Apple] for simply being alive. The real talent at Apple are the guys who Steve cultivated and who demanded he create NeXT when the board ousted him. I worked around them at NeXT. They dwarf Wozniak in knowledge, skills and capabilities to create great products. That same zeal was brought back to Apple. Wozniak had decades to extend his respect technologically by actually pioneering research in design of CPUs, GPUs, etc. He doesn't know it. He never did. Technology blew past Steve Wozniak and he decided to play Steve Jobs as a CEO and failed miserably every single time. The guy holds 4 patents in his entire engineering career, while being given Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory of resources to create. He isn't that genius. He's a celebrity who will always be the fat kid who Steve Jobs pulled out of his shell [Wozniak is quite clear on this point] and made him wealthy.

  8. Re:Steve Wozniak is a loser. by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He also hold the record for Tetris on a Gameboy. When Nintendo Power magazine stopped accepting his high scores (he'd confirm by mailing in Polaroids of the screen), he started submitting his name spelled backwards.

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  9. Two quick book recommendations by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...if you're a fan of late 70s/early 80s computer culture.

    Somebody gave me Steven Levy's Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution as a teen (thankfully missing the minefield of shitty books with the term "hacker" in their title) and it was amazing. Early days computer hobbyists, Paul Allen and Bill Gates writing BASIC for the Altair on a timeshare and dealing with the hobbyists who wanted to copy it instead of buy it, Ken and Roberta Williams and Sierra On-Line, and so much more.

    Also loved the more recent Commodore: A Company on the Edge by Brian Bagnall. Just captivates the imagination to read about people hand-drawing their CPUs. There's an enthusiasm in the early computer industry that seems to have dampened over the years, as startups and corporations begin with the money in mind rather than the starry-eyed idealism and hobbyist tendencies that powered the first personal computer businesses.

    Neither of these feature Ashton Kutcher, however, or even Steve Jobs to any great extent. But if your passion for computers is in their function rather than their form I highly recommend the above books.

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  10. It would be much better by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Charlie Sheen had been cast as Jobs.

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  11. Re:Steve Wozniak is a loser. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without Woz, Jobs would have been that annoying fuck trying to sell you a cellphone at Radio Shack when you went in looking for a 10k resistor.