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In Brazil, Trees To Call For Help If Illegally Felled

Damien1972 writes "The Brazilian government has begun fixing trees in the Amazon rainforest with a wireless device, known as Invisible Tracck, which will allow trees to contact authorities once they are felled and moved. Here's how it works: Brazilian authorities fix the Invisible Tracck onto a tree. An illegal logger cuts down the tree and puts it onto a truck for removal, unaware that they are carrying a tracking device. Once Invisible Tracck comes within 20 miles (32 kilometers) of a cellular network it will 'wake up' and alert authorities."

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  1. I've fallen and I can't get up! by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fell Alert! (0:30)

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  2. we should fit microphones by ozduo · · Score: 5, Funny

    so when a tree falls in the forest we will know if it makes a sound.

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    1. Re:we should fit microphones by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice try, but if you've wired it for sound, that's no different from someone actually being there to here it.

      No, it is different. We wont be there. We'll be hear hereing it.

      Also, don't humanize small electronics.
      They hate that.

  3. Poor battery life ... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do they need to be recharged in a year? Simply checking orientation with a microcontroller in deep sleep the rest of the time shouldn't take that much power.

    1. Re:Poor battery life ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be great news for the tree cutters: They could use the heart beat signal to locate the valuable trees, and the device on the trees. Then it's just a matter of carefully removing that device and putting it on a nearby uninteresting tree before cutting the valuable one.

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  4. Re:And here is the solution by Improv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anything that raises the hassle level to untracably do illegal/harmful activity will probably either catch or deter a reasonable chunk of the would-be criminals. We live with knowing that the locks we use in our homes could be picked, and if someone *really* wanted to take the time and the risk or spend the money, they could probably get in in various ways, just like we never achieve 100% safety from other crimes. That doesn't mean our safety measures are worthless though.

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  5. Brilliant by RCC42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Elegant solution to a complex and difficult situation, made possible by technological advance. This is progress (and what slashdot is all about)

  6. So, some dude with a badge shows up... by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and gets his hundred bucks to ignore it.

    -jcr

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  7. Re:And here is the solution by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Illegal timber is big business, there are huge profits and people are prepared to get violent about it. A single hardwood tree can be worth tens of thousands of dollars, particularly fine furniture species. I imagine they would attach these things to the most valuable trees. There are other schemes to track where legal logs come from but they require a lot of manpower to police since each log needs to be checked to find unregistered logs. This idea certainly won't catch everyone but as you say these illegal loggers are a businesses with heavy equipment, a tree that calls home will expose the entire company behind the operation.

    BTW: How would one use an EMP without also frying the electronics in the trucks and bulldozers?

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  8. E-Tree, Phone Home! by xmark · · Score: 3, Funny

    well, it's better than "First Post!"

  9. Re:And here is the solution by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or maybe just make your own cellular signal near where you want to cut the tree (it's not as if anyone else in the middle of the rain forest will notice), and look for the signal of the device trying to phone home in order to find and remove it. Bonus: It even helps with finding the valuable trees, because those will be the ones equipped with the device.

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  10. Tree phone home by Andrew+Rembrandt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ripe for plenty of gags...

    Humour aside, this is a good use of technology, and much needed. I've seen what happens when deforestation is left un-policed (it doesn't take long for a developing nation to clear one, given the amount of money that it can generate). Seeing what's left of the 'Amazon of the southern hemisphere' as they call it in Borneo, was very sad. Less than 2% is left, and you can imagine the natural habit that's also gone. Not to mention the global impact on climate. The next 30 years will be a challenging time imho - unfortunately, the required action will no doubt after things have really gone downhill, as is usual when government and regulation is involved (e.g. someone has to die before safety regulations are improved).

    1. Re:Tree phone home by AxeTheMax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who calls Borneo the 'Amazon of the southern hemisphere' hasn't got much idea of geography. Both are near the equator, but if anything Borneo is overall slightly further north than the Amazon basin.

  11. Re:And here is the solution by maeka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Setup EMP charge. Bulldozers wait outside 'blast range'. Clean area. Move bulldozers in. Profit.

    This isn't an attempt to stop industrial-scale illegal logging. There are much easier ways to track and trace activity on that scale.

    This is an attempt to stop "sustinance" logging. Literally poor individuals poaching timber.

  12. Re:Numbers by volmtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Brazil has to make up its mind, are the trees a natural resource, or national treasure? Trees are not immortal, they get old and die. Controlled harvesting can support the population and the forest. It's over two million square miles, does all of it have to remain pristine?

  13. Re:And here is the solution by robot5x · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Precisely! I'm personally much more interested in 'legal' logging - that is, those big businesses who get government permits and official sanction to deforest at will, and make shit loads of money in the process. None of this would fall under the purview of such a scheme, since it is 'legal', but almost certainly more destructive on a regional or global scale.

    Would be interested in seeing some figures on estimated volumes of 'illegal' logging versus officially sanctioned 'legal' logging. Anyone?

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