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In Brazil, Trees To Call For Help If Illegally Felled

Damien1972 writes "The Brazilian government has begun fixing trees in the Amazon rainforest with a wireless device, known as Invisible Tracck, which will allow trees to contact authorities once they are felled and moved. Here's how it works: Brazilian authorities fix the Invisible Tracck onto a tree. An illegal logger cuts down the tree and puts it onto a truck for removal, unaware that they are carrying a tracking device. Once Invisible Tracck comes within 20 miles (32 kilometers) of a cellular network it will 'wake up' and alert authorities."

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  1. I've fallen and I can't get up! by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fell Alert! (0:30)

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  2. we should fit microphones by ozduo · · Score: 5, Funny

    so when a tree falls in the forest we will know if it makes a sound.

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    1. Re:we should fit microphones by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Nice try, but if you've wired it for sound, that's no different from someone actually being there to here it.

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    2. Re:we should fit microphones by kdemetter · · Score: 2

      If someone is only allowed to speak 'freely' in a specific area, it's not "speaking freely" .
      Freedom of speech means freedom to speak about anything, in any place, by anyone .

      So yes, it's still censorship.

    3. Re:we should fit microphones by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice try, but if you've wired it for sound, that's no different from someone actually being there to here it.

      No, it is different. We wont be there. We'll be hear hereing it.

      Also, don't humanize small electronics.
      They hate that.

  3. And here is the solution by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/how-to-for-emp-weapon-stunningly-accessible/

    What makes RF weapons so dangerous is their compactness and ability to be powered by hand-carried energy sources. Experts say that their range of intensity is from 200 meters to 1,000 meters, or from some 656 feet to 3,281 feet.

    1. Re:And here is the solution by Improv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anything that raises the hassle level to untracably do illegal/harmful activity will probably either catch or deter a reasonable chunk of the would-be criminals. We live with knowing that the locks we use in our homes could be picked, and if someone *really* wanted to take the time and the risk or spend the money, they could probably get in in various ways, just like we never achieve 100% safety from other crimes. That doesn't mean our safety measures are worthless though.

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    2. Re:And here is the solution by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      1) wingnut daily, really?

      2) if true, setting up a few EMP detectors would provide real time info on where illegal loggers are operating

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    3. Re:And here is the solution by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Illegal timber is big business, there are huge profits and people are prepared to get violent about it. A single hardwood tree can be worth tens of thousands of dollars, particularly fine furniture species. I imagine they would attach these things to the most valuable trees. There are other schemes to track where legal logs come from but they require a lot of manpower to police since each log needs to be checked to find unregistered logs. This idea certainly won't catch everyone but as you say these illegal loggers are a businesses with heavy equipment, a tree that calls home will expose the entire company behind the operation.

      BTW: How would one use an EMP without also frying the electronics in the trucks and bulldozers?

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    4. Re:And here is the solution by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2

      Somewhere deep in a rainforest? Really?

    5. Re:And here is the solution by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or maybe just make your own cellular signal near where you want to cut the tree (it's not as if anyone else in the middle of the rain forest will notice), and look for the signal of the device trying to phone home in order to find and remove it. Bonus: It even helps with finding the valuable trees, because those will be the ones equipped with the device.

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    6. Re:And here is the solution by maeka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Setup EMP charge. Bulldozers wait outside 'blast range'. Clean area. Move bulldozers in. Profit.

      This isn't an attempt to stop industrial-scale illegal logging. There are much easier ways to track and trace activity on that scale.

      This is an attempt to stop "sustinance" logging. Literally poor individuals poaching timber.

    7. Re:And here is the solution by Immerman · · Score: 2

      No - unless you're using satellite communications (and they specifically say they're not) the trees will be well outside the range of any communication network unless/until they've been logged and brought into civilization. There's no way to send an "all's well" signal.

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    8. Re:And here is the solution by Rakhar · · Score: 2

      "Once Invisible Tracck comes within 20 miles (32 kilometers) of a cellular network it will 'wake up' and alert authorities." There is no reason for fancy EMPs or trying to trace the devices themselves... This doesn't do ANYTHING while out in the forest. It activates when it comes within range of a network. You could knock down every tree in the forest and this would do nothing until you actually move the lumber. The simplest solution would be to run a metal detector over each tree as it's loaded for moving. From there you either leave the offending tree there or search for and remove the device.

    9. Re:And here is the solution by robot5x · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Precisely! I'm personally much more interested in 'legal' logging - that is, those big businesses who get government permits and official sanction to deforest at will, and make shit loads of money in the process. None of this would fall under the purview of such a scheme, since it is 'legal', but almost certainly more destructive on a regional or global scale.

      Would be interested in seeing some figures on estimated volumes of 'illegal' logging versus officially sanctioned 'legal' logging. Anyone?

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    10. Re:And here is the solution by FirephoxRising · · Score: 2

      The big difference is actually between clearing and logging as in Forestry. If the logging is part of a managed forest and the forest will regrow after a cut which is correct for the type of forest, then it is vastly different from clearing for slash and burn agriculture or development into a new land use. The managed forest will actually be a carbon SINK as the new trees regrow and at least some of the carbon from the harvested trees will be locked up as timber products.

  4. Poor battery life ... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do they need to be recharged in a year? Simply checking orientation with a microcontroller in deep sleep the rest of the time shouldn't take that much power.

    1. Re:Poor battery life ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be great news for the tree cutters: They could use the heart beat signal to locate the valuable trees, and the device on the trees. Then it's just a matter of carefully removing that device and putting it on a nearby uninteresting tree before cutting the valuable one.

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  5. Trees on Facebook? by Required+Snark · · Score: 2

    So many bad jokes in my head. They are clogging my brain so much I can't get them out...

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  6. Brilliant by RCC42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Elegant solution to a complex and difficult situation, made possible by technological advance. This is progress (and what slashdot is all about)

  7. So, some dude with a badge shows up... by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and gets his hundred bucks to ignore it.

    -jcr

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  8. E-Tree, Phone Home! by xmark · · Score: 3, Funny

    well, it's better than "First Post!"

  9. Tree phone home by Andrew+Rembrandt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ripe for plenty of gags...

    Humour aside, this is a good use of technology, and much needed. I've seen what happens when deforestation is left un-policed (it doesn't take long for a developing nation to clear one, given the amount of money that it can generate). Seeing what's left of the 'Amazon of the southern hemisphere' as they call it in Borneo, was very sad. Less than 2% is left, and you can imagine the natural habit that's also gone. Not to mention the global impact on climate. The next 30 years will be a challenging time imho - unfortunately, the required action will no doubt after things have really gone downhill, as is usual when government and regulation is involved (e.g. someone has to die before safety regulations are improved).

    1. Re:Tree phone home by AxeTheMax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who calls Borneo the 'Amazon of the southern hemisphere' hasn't got much idea of geography. Both are near the equator, but if anything Borneo is overall slightly further north than the Amazon basin.

    2. Re:Tree phone home by xclr8r · · Score: 2

      "Good use of technology" but the question in my mind is how much land are the tearing up mining resources for this device. I'm sure it comes out ahead (hopefully) but it is an interesting aspect to look at how much are we using the earth + environmental impact to save the other parts of earth. There must be some type of battery, what resistance does it have to corrosion? Will it leak any contaminants.. etc etc.

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    3. Re:Tree phone home by strikethree · · Score: 2

      Seeing what's left of the 'Amazon of the southern hemisphere' as they call it in Borneo, was very sad.

      If you would like to see an extreme representation of different forestry practices, zoom in on Haiti and Dominican Republic. No, that is not a "taken at different times" picture artifact. One half of the island is indeed utterly deforested. Just wow. Haitians should be ashamed.

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    4. Re:Tree phone home by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      I doubt they're taggin every tree. One per 5 acres would be *more* than enough.

  10. Jamming & Signature by pipegate · · Score: 2

    Based on the weakness of the signal strength and the low cost of GPS jamming equipment (>$69 for something that actually works) how secure is this solution? Beyond that would there be significant electronic signature to detect such devices considering the lack of background interference? Is there such thing as a long distance metal detector? Not knocking progress, just interested.

  11. Re:Numbers by volmtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Brazil has to make up its mind, are the trees a natural resource, or national treasure? Trees are not immortal, they get old and die. Controlled harvesting can support the population and the forest. It's over two million square miles, does all of it have to remain pristine?

  12. Re:What are they going to do? by PPH · · Score: 2

    Clearly you have not watched practically every cop/law TV show ever made.

    Clearly, you have been watching to much TV based on (a misinterpretation of) US law enforcement. What happens when the Big Guy has the ethics of the Zetas? 20 years in prison for a stinkin' tree is nothing compared to what they'll do to you if you talk.

    And its not much better in the USA (of course, your intestines don't end up hanging out). But corporations don't go to prison. They live forever. And they never forget.

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  13. Re:Numbers by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    It's over two million square miles, does all of it have to remain pristine?

    It's not an all-or-nothing question, but rather how much needs to remain pristine, and which areas in particular are the ones whose health are vital to the ecosystem?

    I don't think anyone has argued that the entire Amazon can be or will be preserved indefinitely. But presumably the areas marked as off-limits to logging are so marked because they are the ones that are important to preserve, and it is those areas in particular where illegal logging needs to be stopped.

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  14. The Age Old Question... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

    If a tree is felled in the forrest, and no one is at the office to hear it, does it still call for help?

  15. Re:Pix or it didn't happen. by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Anti-logging activists used to drive railroad spikes into trees - they were invisible enough to destroy the large, expensive blades in many lumber mills, I suspect a cellular beacon would be much smaller. Then again I imagine metal detectors are quite effective against either threat.

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