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Cities' Heat Can Affect Temperatures 1000+ Miles Away

Living in dense cities makes for certain efficiencies: being able to walk or take mass transit to work, living in buildings with (at least potentially) efficient HVAC systems, and more. That's why cities have been lauded in recent years for their (relatively) low environmental impact. But it seems at least one aspect of city life has an environmental effect felt at extreme distances from the cities themselves: waste heat. All those tightly packed sources of heat, from cars to banks of AC units, result in temperature changes not just directly (and locally) but by affecting weather systems surrounding the source city. From the article: "The released heat is changing temperatures in areas more than 1,000 miles away (1609 kilometers). It is warming parts of North America by about 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.6 degrees Celsius) and northern Asia by as much as 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degree Celsius), while cooling areas of Europe by a similar amount, scientists report in the journal Nature Climate Change. The released heat (dubbed waste heat), it seems, is changing atmospheric circulation, including jet streams — powerful narrow currents of wind that blow from west to east and north to south in the upper atmosphere. This impact on regional temperatures may explain a climate puzzle of sorts: why some areas are having warmer winters than predicted by climate models, the researchers said. In turn, the results suggest this phenomenon should be accounted for in models forecasting global warming."

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  1. Re:I Almost Hate To Say This by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The heat island effect has always been taken into account for purposes of observation - when some of your data points are located in cities, you need to either discard them or compensate in some manner. This study shows that the effect covers a far wider area than previously thought. A few minor revisions to the models are needed. That doesn't mean previous predictions are suddenly all wrong - just that they are not as accurate as they will be once these revisions are implimented.

  2. Re:Not 1609 kilometers... by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a bit rich to go on about "the other top nations" refusing to join in when the US flatly refuses to join the climate change accords that the rest of the developed (and much of the developing) world have established.

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  3. Re:I Almost Hate To Say This by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately tipping the balance is all that is required to mess it up.

  4. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this comment more or less an archetypal example? Veiled and nonspecific allusions to error, uncertainty, and weakness? No actual substance? Nonspecific accusations that could be leveled at any piece of research? Let's look at the issues you raise.

    "The question is always, how do they know? What did they do to arrive at that result?"

    It's in the papers. And countless popular accounts.

    "...does not sound like a high standard."

    That's why your rhetorical scenario is not the standard to which climate science is held. If you're interested it's... in the papers, and in the countless popular accounts.

    "Where's your rigorous testing for that assertion?"

    It's in the papers, and countless popular accounts. Assuming, of couse, you do not set an arbitrarily strict limit for "rigorous" that excludes them.

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    1. Re:Fear, uncertainty, and doubt by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything is veiled and nonspecific if you refuse to read it. Experimental science is not all science. What is your stance on evolution? History? Epidemiology?

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  5. Re:Not 1609 kilometers... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The environment is only a major issue during a Republican administration.

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    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear