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Hacker Faces 105 Years In Prison After Blackmailing 350+ Women

redletterdave writes "According to the 30-count indictment released by the Central District of California, 27-year-old hacker Karen 'Gary' Kazaryan allegedly hacked his way into hundreds of online accounts, using personal information and nude or semi-nude photos of his victims to coerce more than 350 female victims to show him their naked bodies, usually over Skype. By posing as a friend, Kazaryan allegedly tricked these women into stripping for him on camera, capturing more than 3,000 images of these women to blackmail them. Kazaryan was arrested by federal agents on Tuesday; if convicted on all 30 counts, including 15 counts of computer intrusion and 15 counts of aggravated identity theft, Kazaryan could face up to 105 years in federal prison."

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  1. Plea bargain by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But no doubt he'll take the plea bargain and spend a mere 1% of that in a low security prison, just like Aaron was supposed to.

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    1. Re:Plea bargain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except that when you're going into a fed pen for a sex crime, "Karen" is a supremely unfortunate name to have if you're a guy.

    2. Re:Plea bargain by canadiannomad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is true, and it means that justice will probably be served in his case. But the problem I see is using the extortion of long sentences to force a plea bargain to avoid time in court. That is in my opinion where there is something going wrong with the system, and that we should all be worried about it.
      In my opinion plea bargains are just begging to be abused by the system and creates a mockery of due process.

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    3. Re:Plea bargain by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Funny

      "computer intrusion" certainly sounds like a sex crime, from a computer's point of view...

    4. Re:Plea bargain by davydagger · · Score: 2

      On top of "hacking" this guy comitted blackmail, and what could be considered sexual assault.

      I'm OK if this guy doesn't do time for hacking.

      I would really like to see this guy do hard time for sexual harrassment, blackmail, and the other related crimes that have little to do with the technical aspects of computer hacking.

      I'm also disgusted you'd even compare what this guy did to what aaron swartz did.

    5. Re:Plea bargain by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      Where did people get the idea that 1 year was a light sentance?

      If he's guilty, that's about one day for every woman that he blackmailed. That IS/would be a ridiculously light sentence, IMHO.

  2. Evidence by rbgaynor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, now - let's not rush to justice until we've had a chance to see the evidence.

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    1. Re:Evidence by MiniMike · · Score: 2

      Just to the right of the text of the AP article (last link in summary), they have helpfully placed a link titled "Buy AP Photo Reprints". You may get your wish.

      If that doesn't work, you could Skype the victims, posing as the prosecutor, and ask them to repeat the poses 'for evidence'.

  3. Won't come close to that by jjthegreat · · Score: 2

    I have no problem with this type of scum getting some sort of jailtime. The question is, does the punishment fit the crime? I do not believe that this person will get anywhere near 105 years, especially if there are no priors. Before passing judgement, I think I will wait for a conviction. Is there a precedent for this type of crime with the same kind of scale to it?

    1. Re:Won't come close to that by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Why? Then you just trivialize what he did and make it so other people can do this."

      Because what he did was trivial. He tricked some girls into letting him see them naked. OMG. They are just bodies for god sake we all have them and they will all show them to hundreds of guys over the course of their life and regret many of those times. But but he LIED. Yes he lied and those same girls will no doubt have been lied to by every guy they sleep with to some degree or another. All men are willing to lie or withhold, or otherwise twist the truth to get laid.

      What he did is morally reprehensible but hardly criminal. It makes him worthy of despising and calling a pig but then so would a more severe action like cheating on a girlfriend.

      "a $500 fine for criminally using someone else's account? No way"

      He didn't use someone's bank account. He used their social networking account in a way that results in absolutely no tangible damage to anyone. The bar for identity theft can't just be pretending to be someone else in a harmless prank and if that is going to be the bar then yes the punishments have to dropped to something appropriate for a harmless prank. What next? If he pretends to be a friend confirming his alibi to his girlfriend/wife on the phone so he can sleep around we charge him with identity theft and communications fraud?

    2. Re:Won't come close to that by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      Information doesn't "want" to be free

      Tell that to the US military or go on TPB and watch the flood of information that has freed itself. Information does want to be free and there is nothing that you or anyone else can do about it. And, yes, it is okay. It's just the way the world works.

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    3. Re:Won't come close to that by Phoenixlol · · Score: 2

      Are you 20?

    4. Re:Won't come close to that by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      I'm not saying that this guy shouldn't be punished. Maybe a few months in prison or monetary restitution to the victims. Something sane and civilized. Life in prison for causing embarassment is neither.

      As far as information. It has a tendency to escape. Sort of like water in a tank. Water 'wants' to escape from a container. That does not mean that it is human or even alive. There is nothing anthtropomorphic about the expression. It's just an expression and this case is yet another example of its truth. Some people like this tendency of information to escape. Some people don't. The information doesn't care either way. It will just sit there. Waiting for the inevitable. It's only a matter of time.

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    5. Re:Won't come close to that by jxander · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like where you're going, it's interesting to compare this case to potential existing situations that mirror intent and outcome. Let's pretend he had met these girls at a bar instead of online, bought them a few drinks (social engineering) and talked the girls into flashing the crowd.

      Certainly a few bar patrons would have cell phone cameras ready, and the victims would get the same exposure (if not MORE) than what actually happened.

      Would he be looking at 100+ years of jailtime for such shenanigans? Absolutely not. See : Girls Gone Wild. Plenty of women have tried to claim emotional distress due to coerced consent, and every case has fallen through (even in the case with an all-female jury.) The only one to gain any real traction was the case where a girl was underage when filmed, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

      But if you add "that same thing, but with computers" to the crimes, suddenly we have a serious situation. It ties back to my earlier post, it's all about a lack of education. In a bar, women know not to take their shirts off, and understand the repercussions of such actions. Add computers, suddenly no one understands how to keep their clothes on, and it's the computer's fault.

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    6. Re:Won't come close to that by bogjobber · · Score: 2

      Did you even read the story? He didn't talk his way into getting them to talk their clothes off using his charm and wit. He didn't "trick" them. He stole their credentials, found incriminating photos of them, then blackmailed them into stripping for him on camera.

      If someone had done this in meatspace they would have received the same punishment, and rightly so. This was extortion, plain and simple. And although it's not sexual assault, it occupies a frighteningly close position. I can't believe anybody is actually sticking up for this dickwad.

  4. Obvious moral by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just like in the Anthony Wiener scandal, the clear bit of advice to come out of this: Never, ever, ever transmit pictures of yourself over a computer network with fewer clothes on than you'd wear in public.

    I'm sure some people find that kind of thing fun, but the simple fact is that the damage is greater than getting many STDs.

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    1. Re:Obvious moral by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      But but but but...the criminal used a COMPUTER! That makes it scary because I don't understand computers!!!

      Just imagine when criminals start using robots.

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  5. Scumbag by buxomspacefish · · Score: 2

    Guys pretending to be girls on the internet? Say it isn't so... Once upon a time I got involved in some rooms on yahoo (back when they existed and had a sense of community) and made friends with a girl who was a regular there - I'd show for her on cam occasionally - "she" didn't have a cam, but talked on mic (I didn't realize you could use a pitch shifter on it). This went on for a while then "she" started getting bossy about it and I refused to do it anymore. Next thing I know, "she" announces to the room that "she" is a he and he fooled us all. He had been recording the cam stuff and uploaded some videos to some porn sites. Luckily I was pretty much just topless in them and not ashamed of my body, but that was the day I decided no more cam. As to those saying how stupid the women are, I would have no issue flashing my boobs at a girlfriend in person or on a cam - based on the story it seems to me that's how he did it and then kept pushing things to get more and more compromising images of them. I unfortunately am jaded and now assume that most females I talk to online that are into girls are just men.

  6. "begging to"? by gatfirls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That ship sailed long ago. Coincidentally, our system of 'due process' is basically one massive blackmail racket. If things operated as intended it would be an invaluable tool for the courts and the defendants to provide a win/win. In our completely perverted system charges are trumped up to the maximum (even completely fabricated) levels to force a plea.

    1. Re:"begging to"? by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's why plea bargains exist... to avoid trials and keep the court's resources in check. The problem there is that an innocent person might be scared of getting sentenced to life and accept the 5 year prison deal instead of going to trial and stating their case. Of course, if you're truly innocent you'll win the trial in the perfect world, but we're not perfect.

    2. Re:"begging to"? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not all plea deals are bad

      But many of them are.

      I don't believe the court system would handle everything going to trial.

      When I was in the military back in the 1980s, if a defendant pleaded guilty in either an NJP or court martial, the presiding officer or judge was required to conduct a "providency hearing" and conclude, and document, that the plea was actually in the defendants best interest. I probably conducted over a hundred NJPs, and I never once , accepted a guilty plea. Usually this was because it was not in the defendants best interest, but also because a finding of guilty in a providency hearing could be an avenue for appeal, which would be a lot more paperwork. In several of those cases, there was insufficient evidence for a conviction, and the defendant got off.

      Civilian courts should have something similar. Before a judge accepts a guilty plea, they should have to review the evidence, and conclude that the defendant is probably actually guilty of what they are admitting to, although the standard would be less than "beyond a reasonable doubt". This would eliminate the most egregious plea bargins, but still allow most to go forward.

    3. Re:"begging to"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are innocent that means you do not regret your crime, so you will get the full sentence, while someone who actually did something can repent and get a much lower sentence. So being innocent is sadly a very dangerous thing to risk a court decision with.

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    4. Re:"begging to"? by jxander · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I was fortunate enough to never undergo NJP during my military career, I can see one major flaw with moving that system into the civilian sector : Chain of Command

      In the Marines, my boss at work was also my boss overseeing my personal life (to a degree) and on up the chain. This gives us a vested interest in not crippling someone via monetary penalties or jail/brig time. I knew a few guys who got NJP'ed for a few things, and there was almost a family-type thought process in place. We'll take care of it in-house, punish the person for their stupidity, and get them back on their feet so they can keep working and stay combat ready.

      A judge in civilian court doesn't know you, doesn't care if you're living on ramen noodles and sleeping in your car for the next year. That judge is never going into combat with you. You could literally step into traffic and die as soon as you leave the courthouse, and the judge would not be affected in the least. They just want to set an example of you, and bilk you for as much money as they can, because that money goes straight into the city coffers. Which brings up another major difference that hurts NJP in a civilian setting : Barracks and the Chow Hall (or BAH and comrats) No matter how much money you garnish from a Marine's paycheck, they will always have three square meals and a roof over their head.

      I'd love to see some sanity instilled in the Justice system, and I think NJP might be a decent starting point ... but it's going to need some serious revisions before it works outside of the military.

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    5. Re:"begging to"? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Or just remove the ability to plea bargain, it has nothing to do with justice and seems to be mostly an American thing.

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  7. I HATE this by SoTerrified · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's scum. He preyed on innocents without remorse and deserves punishment. And yet you're going to give him more jail time than he'd get for MURDER?

    I hate that I have to stand beside him and say this is wrong. I hate that I have to support someone so despicable. I hate that the flawed system actually makes me support people like Gary Kazaryan.

    And yet it's something I must do.

    1. Re:I HATE this by buxomspacefish · · Score: 2

      It wasn't one instance of it though - it was more than 350 women. If you steal one orange, you'll get a slap on the wrist, you steal a truckload and that's a totally different thing as far as penalty.

    2. Re:I HATE this by Jahava · · Score: 2

      It wasn't one instance of it though - it was more than 350 women. If you steal one orange, you'll get a slap on the wrist, you steal a truckload and that's a totally different thing as far as penalty.

      I would personally disagree that blackmailing even 350 people is worse than murder. Regardless, I think OP's point still stands. Things like murder are in a completely different category of crime.

    3. Re:I HATE this by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      But let's not say that just because it wasn't murder, it doesn't deserve a harsher sentence than murder.

      Why not? That is exactly what I would say. I would go further and advocate that a punishment must be reasonable and fit the crime. The crimes this guy allegedly committed are minor in my view. If I were one of these women I sure as hell wouldn't want to see the guy get life in prison.

      (we're talking serious crimes here, not the 'steal a thousand songs be a thousand times guilty' crap that record labels are pulling)

      After what you just wrote you have absolutely no leg to stand on here. How do you define a crime as 'serious'? I dont' think this guy's crimes were serious at all. He just caused a bit of embarrassment for some women who were overly trusting. I have a high speed connection. I could upload a thousand songs an hour with enough seeds. What if I uploaded a million songs? Should I be hanged? Because that's where this is heading.

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    4. Re:I HATE this by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      Are you honestly claiming that taking off your clothes in front of a web cam is indistinguishable from someone forcing you to have sex with them? I would be willing to bet that if you polled those women a significant percentage of them would not believe it is the same as rape and would not want to see the guy get life in prison for seeing them naked. As far as the so called blackmail they should have just told the guy to fuck off. That's what I would advocate to a female friend. I mean, who gives a shit if a nude photo gets posted somewhere? It doesn't mean anything. There isn't anything wrong with nudity. We're animals. That is what we look like. The whole thing is ridiculous. Getting a nude photo posted isn't going to ruin anyone's life. Nor is it a serious crime in any way. The whole thing is laughable. In a civilized society this would maybe result in some lawsuits, although even that is a stretch IMO.

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    5. Re:I HATE this by citylivin · · Score: 2

      "I would personally disagree that blackmailing even 350 people is worse than murder"

      Ooo a thought experiment. How many people makes it worse than murder for you. 1000? 10,000? And murder "whom"? anyone?

      Are 10,000 peoples lives being abused worse than killing the abuser?

      I think that scammers and career thieves should be shot, personally. Fucking with hundreds or thousands of people could justify the death penalty in my opinion (if ones country has death penalty laws that is. It could always be argued that its far worse for people to be locked up for 90 years). However this person only seemed to steal pixels, so one could argue about how much harm was actually done vs being robbed at gunpoint, or some other real world crime. This is why countires have laws and theoretically a fair justice system and why the case is going to court.

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    6. Re:I HATE this by 0111+1110 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if he had blackmailed 1,000 women? 10,000 women? 100,000 women? How many blackmailed and recorded strip tease sessions would he have to have forced women into before he deserved life?

      There is no number. He could 'blackmail' an infinite number of people and it wouldn't merit significantly more punishment in my view than a single one. Any other view would be consistent with hanging habitual, serial shoplifters. Something I would regard as barbaric and far, far worse than the original crimes. At some point, draconian punishments themselves become more of a crime than the original act. This is one such case. If this guy gets any significant amount of jail time I would consider him more of a victim than any of the women.

      Would you feel this crime was minor if the blackmail had led to a suicide?

      I would still consider the crime to be a relatively minor one, but it would become more serious with a suicide since it would show that the act, even though it was minor, resulted in serious harm to that particular individual. I would consider him partially responsible for her death.

      I would still judge the girl in question badly however because having a nude picture posted to your facebook account is an unbelievably silly thing to kill yourself over. You may as well kill yourself over a broken nail. If she was that sensitive it would have been only a matter of time before she had killed herself anyway. If being seen naked by some of her friends makes her kill herself just imagine what she would do if a boyfriend that she liked broke up with her?

      A teacher would be fired if such pictures get posted publicly, and there are many other companies which may do so as well.

      That injustice would not be the man's fault. If you want to punish someone for harming the teacher, punish the people at the school or company responsible for such stupidity. You can't hold the guy responsible for the harmful behavior of others.

      Could you not see how this could ruin various peoples lives?

      No I can't. I have had far more embarrassing things happen to me and it didn't ruin my life in any way whatsoever. I was just embarrassed. It's not the end of the world. There is nothing wrong or shameful about nudity. We all have relatively similar bodies. It's just not a big deal. And I am speaking as someone ashamed of my body. I wish I had a beautiful body that I would be sufficiently proud of to post online to anyone, but I don't.

      How many lives would need to be hurt and by how much before it becomes a major crime?

      I don't think a 'crime' as minor as this could ever become a major crime no matter how many 'victims'.

      Then again, if you don't feel inflicting emotional trauma on people can ever be serious, then I am glad you are not a lawmaker or judge, and saddened that you may serve in a jury.

      Emotional trauma over being seen naked? That's almost funny. If anyone is that sensitive then they have far larger problems already. I think it would cause far greater emotional trauma to know that you were partially responsible for taking the life of another human being because you were bothered about being seen naked.

      Emotional trauma can always be argued. Does a man cheating on his wife cause emotional trauma and would it be more than being accidentally seen naked? Should we be filling our prisons with cheating husbands and wives? With anyone who has ever lied to someone who loved them? How about anyone who breaks up with someone who loves them? Should we just hang them all? Put them in prison for the rest of their lives?

      I still feel emotional pain over my first girlfriend breaking up with me 20 years ago. Should she be jailed for the hurt she has caused me? Okay, it would be satisfying in a way, but I wouldn't want to live in a society where every time someone is hurt emotionally the person who ca

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    7. Re:I HATE this by Yosho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      rape
      noun
      1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
      2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
      3. statutory rape.
      4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
      5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

      The dictionary disagrees with you. You don't get to redefine words just because you want something to sound exceedingly awful. If there's no intercourse, it's not rape. That doesn't mean it's not terrible and wrong, but it does mean you have to find a different word if you want to be taken seriously.

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  8. The Taliban blames the victim by kawabago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We don't.

    1. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're FSM-right we don't. We're supposed to be the good guys here.

      This asshole (allegedly) blackmailed 350 people. I say allegedly because he hasn't been convicted in a court of law, which again, is the way we do things around here. You know, in motherfucking civilization.

      This is not the victim's fault. What the hell is wrong with you people?

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    2. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What it comes down to is this:

      It is not the victim's fault that they got robbed or raped or whatever at any time.

      However, society cannot prevent and cannot be responsible for preventing it from happening. There are animals out there and just telling them to respect your right to dress how you want isn't going to change the fact that they are animals and possibly mentally unbalanced.

      So, it is not the victim's fault that they are a victim, but they cannot rely on that to prevent them from becoming a victim, and if they do, they are fools. Reasonable arguments only work on reasonable people. Criminals and particularly criminally insane people are not reasonable. Dress to match the environment you are in and maintain situational awareness of your environment and the dangers.

    3. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by morgauxo · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, in the context of a man physically raping a woman and the Taliban punishing the woman I'm pretty sure most of us here, myself included disagree with the Taliban. I think we can all also agree that Kazaryan is the only one involved who set out to harm others (in a sense) and is the only one deserving of legal punishment.

      However.. these victims ARE also at fault. They did something stupid. They sent naked pictures of themselves to someone on the internet without even verifying who it really was. It cannot be called anything else, it was STUPID. I'm sorry, but there is way to much stupid out there. It's long past time to give up on political correctness and call it what it is. STUPID! Point it out and hope that between someone somewhere's ears the lesson actually sticks. We need this because we have way too much stupid in our society.

    4. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can be the victim and not be innocent.
      This is the problem with Black Market activities. Both sides are breaking the law, so if one side breaks the deal there is little recourse to prevent it. However at some point the crime is worth more for the victim to complain while they may get punished for their crime, but the victimizer may get a lot more.

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    5. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by fredprado · · Score: 2

      Good luck with that. I am quite sure you will achieve by yourself the world without criminals or violence that Humanity was unable to do in thousands of years of civilization.

    6. Re:The Taliban blames the victim by thesandtiger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope.

      Blackmail is ALWAYS the fault of the person seeking to take advantage of another person.

      In this case, women took nude pictures (or videos, I guess) of themselves. Not illegal, and it's only naughty if you're a puritan, and frankly even then it's pretty pathetic to think of it as anything naughty. Do you consider yourself to be some kind of bastion of morality? If so, what gives you the right? And if not, then where the hell do you get off trying to say other people are being naughty or not in regards to things that are completely irrelevant to you?

      In other, more extreme cases, people have been blackmailed for things that carry a social stigma but are, according to decent human beings, perfectly OK. Example: Secret Jews during the Nazi regime. You think they were at fault (you DID say 'ALWAYS') because unscrupulous neighbors threatened to turn them in? Example: Closeted gay folk. You think they are at fault because some people decided to threaten to out them? Example: People who believe in religion X when religion Y is the official religion of their country. Example: People who don't toe the party line in countries where the party is the law. Example: Do I really have to give you more examples, or are you able to acknowledge that maybe your hyperbole and your victim blaming are wrong?

      The person at fault when it comes to blackmail is the person who chose to try and take advantage of another human being. Period. And you should damn well know better if you're old enough to be posting on the Internet unsupervised. And you should feel bad about being so stupid you didn't think your opinion through before trying to voice it with your all caps removal of any possible wiggle room in the form of 'ALWAYS.'

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  9. Re:This guy would make a perfect lamb.... by Algae_94 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, because convincing some marks to send you nude photos of themselves and then blackmailing them is totally equivalent to repeated violent rape. How can you even pretend to be appalled by this guy's actions when you would like an even worse penalty for him?

  10. Re:No sympathy for this one.... by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, they already were posting nude images of themselves, what would they care if they had it posted in a few more places on the internet.

    Two problems there.

    First, they were not posting images of themselves on the open Internet. They were storing images of themselves online, in, as they say, "the cloud," behind password access. Which the suspect allegedly hacked.

    Second, your suggestion that possessing nude photos of one's self voids one's expectation of privacy is sexist and objectionable.

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  11. 105 Years versus LIBOR by tekrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, let me get this straight...
    This shmoe could face up to 105 years because of "XX" number of counts of the exact same crime.

    By that way of thinking, each perpetrator of the LIBOR fixing scandal committed acts which affected millions or perhaps billions of people. Shouldn't THEIR sentence be something then on the order of millions of years of prison?

    And yet, NOT ONE person is going to go to jail for LIBOR. Aaron committed suicide over his potential 50 years, for downloading some crap, but LIBOR guys are going to have their banks pay a small fine, they are still going to get their bonuses, corner offices, mansions, Ferraris, Yachts and hot babes in bikinis.

    Dude, if your going to commit a crime, think big -- as in "too big to fail", "too big to prosecute" -- Frankly, if Lance Armstrong had just been Lance Armstrong Bank, he'd still have all his medals, and everyone would still be doing business with him, because they'd have no choice.

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    1. Re:105 Years versus LIBOR by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I completely agree. Yet another story that highlights how prosecutors are given entirely too much power and there's no way to hold them accountable. The most messed up part is that we're sending non-violent criminals to prison. Everyone cheered when Madoff was sent to prison, I didn't hear a single person mention the eighth amendment. No one mentioned that, as a prison inmate, he would just be a further burden to society.

      Unless a person is a threat to society, I can't see the justification for putting them in prison. That's what jails should be for, they shouldn't be a camp of retribution, of societal vengeance. If a person is drunk and disorderly in public, or drinking and driving, they get thrown in the drunk tank until the next day. That makes sense, that's reasonable. They're a threat to society until they sober up. If a person kills someone and it's not in self defense, then they've proven themselves to be irrational and dangerous. They need to be kept away from the greater society.

      If this guy is guilty, should be be punished? No doubt. Should he serve a single day in jail/prison? Absolutely not. That doesn't benefit anyone except the corporations that run our prison system. Community service should be the standard punishment for most crimes because it's a form of restitution to society. But no, the standard form of punishment is a fine or time. A fine that goes to paying for the out of control penal system that the U.S. employs on both a state and federal level.

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  12. Re:Only in Europe by Belial6 · · Score: 2

    Yeah. In America we know that "potential sentence" is for people who exercise their "right" to a fair trial. If you just roll over for the Kangaroo court and sign a confession, you won't face nearly as bad of punishment.

  13. Re:what do you think should happen? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Here's a hint. Start at mass murder or genocide. Work your way down to murder. Then manslaughter. Then rape. But here's the thing. Work your way down from the mass murderer. Not up.

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  14. Re:No sympathy for this one.... by JeanCroix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Second, your suggestion that possessing nude photos of one's self voids one's expectation of privacy is sexist and objectionable.

    How is it sexist? He could have just as easily been blackmailing men here...

  15. Re:What a STUPID thing to do by destinyland · · Score: 2

    "The unknown persons then demanded that [victim 1] and [her sister, victim 2, who was actually in the picture] take their tops off and show their breasts on the Skype camera or he would post the photos on their Facebook walls for all of their friends to see. The unknown person told [the sisters] they had 10 seconds to do this. The girls attempted to stall the unknown person. In retaliation for not complying within 10 seconds, the unknown person, without authorisation, logged into [a friend of both girls'] Facebook account and added the [topless] photo of [victim 2] to [the friend's] Facebook wall. The unknown person then instant messaged [the victim] on Skype and sent the link to Facebook with the compromising photo attached. The link was [sic] the photos he had just put on their Facebook walls since they did not comply to his demands." http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/30/internet-criminals

  16. Re:Sociopath Waste. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He is exactly the kind of person that we WANT taken out of society.

    Speak for yourself. I think you are the sociopath. I have empathy for everyone involved here. The girls have learned an important lesson about how information tends to escape and about trusting people too much. The guy has probably already learned his lesson, but a month in jail or restitution of, say, $200 to each victim would probably suffice for punishment.

    It's amazing to me that the US is supposed to be a Christian country. Christianity is supposed to be about kindness and forgiveness. Not about hanging everyone who behaves in a manner you don't approve of. I'm an atheist myself and even I am shocked and saddened by the enthusiasm with which my country pursues punishment as if just imprisoning or executing enough people will solve every problem. This case is more about petty vengeance than any sort of real justice. Justice would be posting nude photos of him on the internet. After all that is what he threatened to do to them. An eye for an eye and all that.

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  17. Re:105 Years versus HSBC money laundering by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The HSBC money laundering case is another good one: That bank was caught laundering billions for drug lords, and there will be no jail time for anybody involved.

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  18. Unfortunately it's extremely common by elucido · · Score: 2

    I have seen women get blackmailed before with the threat of their nudes being leaked by their ex bfs. I've seen women blackmail dudes over pictures they sent of their cocks, taboo perverted fantasies, or cheating on their wives. I have seen girlfriends and boyfriends use the threat of suicide to keep a leash on their partners as well as using the threat of leaking dirty secrets. These scenarios are VERY common. Why is this one guy being singled out? Because he has hundreds of victims?

    There are probably millions of victims from hundreds of thousands of blackmailers doing the same or worse. This guy is being singled out probably to bring precedent or as a test case. If they can convict him of 100 years in prison then there are a million others just like him all who can be convicted the same way.

    And unlike the whole pedophile hysteria which are more akin to the red scare I think this is a real problem. Blackmail is a real threat and in most of these scenarios there isn't a way to catch the hackers involved. It's one of the trades of blackhats,which also include identity threat, entrapment, swatting.

  19. Re:What a STUPID thing to do by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Stupid is not a crime, and stupid is not justification for others to commit crimes, nor does stupid some how disable a law against a crime.

    Stop being so fucking prejudice.

    I can see that you aren't exactly a disinterest party in this discussion.

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  20. Re:Sociopath Waste. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Violence against women? What the hell are you talking about? He just tricked them into showing him nude photos. That makes him a prick. Definitely not a nice person. But putting everyone who isn't a nice person in jail is not the answer.

    And anti-Christian? Seriously? I thought my post was pro-Christian. I believe in the values of kindness, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, empathy, and just being nice to others. And, yes, that does include not putting people in prison for their entire lives just for embarrassing people. Are those not Christian values?

    Admittedly I am doing a bit of cherry picking since I guess Christianity is also about punishing sinners and eternal damnation and all that. Those are not values that I admire in a philosophy (religions are just ancient forms of philosophy) or in people. Cruelty, intolerance, hatred, revenge, bloodlust are not qualities that I admire at all.

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  21. Re:Sociopath Waste. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    You are 100% wrong in your assumptions about me. If anything I empathize with the girls more. I hate being embarrassed. I wouldn't want a nude photo of me posted anywhere on the internet. Although of course he didn't actually do that. He just threatened to. I don't like being threatened either. Of course there are a lot of things in life that I don't like.

    I bet I have a better idea of how they feel than you. If I were in that situation I would do my best to speak out about what the state wants to do to him. I would feel a lot worse about being partially responsible for taking the man's life than I would about my own embarrassment at people seeing me naked.

    Have you considered the idea that you may just be a selfish, cruel, insensitive, vindictive person who cares only about revenge and nothing about justice? Putting this guy in jail for the rest of his life isn't going to change the fact that these girls were tricked into sending him nude photos. It won't reduce their embarrassment. And even though a few of them may feel a bit of vindictive pleasure at the idea of hurting the guy I'm betting many of them will eventually feel some guilt if the guy ends up getting life in prison for seeing them naked. Or at least I'd like to think so. I hate to think that the majority of people are as evil as the ones who want this guy to get life in prison for this.

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  22. Karen, if you make bail, run! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    This guy should run if he gets the chance. He is seriously fucked. If he was smart enough to pull this off, why was he not smart enough to do it anonymously from public or unprotected wifi or even an internet cafe? Well, unless he did and the FBI have the wrong guy.

    The FBI has a huge hardon for any kind of ToS violation crime or really any sort of GeekCrime, and I bet the FBI agent assigned to this case was a pissed off female with an axe to grind. How dare he trick girls into giving him naked photos!

    He'll almost certainly be found guilty of the computer intrusion and is likely to be found guilty of the extortion as well, depending on how specific the wording of the federal law is about the monetary nature of any gains. He at least didn't ask for money.

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  23. Re:What a STUPID thing to do by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    You certainly justify your user name.

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  24. Re:105 years by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    105 years jail for nudie pics.

    If he did this in New Zealand and raped the women as well he'd be out of jail in 5 years.

    He'd still have had to spend 5 years in New Zealand though.

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