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Dozens Suspended In Harvard University Cheat Scandal

johnsnails writes "Around 60 students at Harvard University have been suspended and others disciplined in a mass cheating scandal at the elite college, the campus newspaper reports. The Harvard Crimson quoted an email from Faculty of Arts and Sciences dean Michael Smith that said more than half of the cases heard by administrators in the scandal, which erupted last year, had resulted in suspension orders. 'After professor Matthew B. Platt reported suspicious similarities on a handful of take-home exams in his spring course Government 1310: “Introduction to Congress,” the College launched an investigation that eventually expanded to involve almost half of the 279 students enrolled in the course.'"

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  1. My Theory by Javagator · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess all of these students were planning on going into politics.

    1. Re:My Theory by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know this is a joke, but it's more than relevant.

      I am guessing the people getting off in this case are getting off more for lack of evidence rather than exoneration. Plus logic dictates that with this number of people it's not the first time it ever happened.

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete. The US Government does suck at every level, but it's an outgrowth of the sickness of the culture itself. Nice guys don't finish last; nice guys don't finish AT ALL.

    2. Re:My Theory by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete.

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

    3. Re:My Theory by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      GP never said it was unique to the US, sounded to me like it was just implied that was all the poster had experience with, rather than painting the entire world of politics with the same brush. Sounds rather sensible for someone named MickyTheIdiot!

    4. Re:My Theory by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is.

      I'd argue that it's not so much about right versus wrong, it's more about the end result trumping the method of getting there. A "win" is considered vindication of the means. If the means are "right" then that's great, but if the means are "wrong", it's too often considered OK to look the other way. The more rewarding the win, the more likely people are to overlook the wrong, especially if those who *should* be doing the looking stand to benefit from the win in the first place. Look at Lance Armstrong. Do you think *nobody* in his inner circle knew he was doping? Sure they did. But they also knew fame and fortune would come from Armstrong's wins, and they could bask in that to considerable benefit. Thus they became complicit.

      In a perfect world, there would be ample benefits and public glorification of the person who came forward to expose cheating. Instead, they typically have everything to lose and very, very little to gain by doing so. Hence the culture of cheating prospers in sports, business, academia...pretty much anywhere the stakes are high enough.

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    5. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      +1 your comment.

      It's nothing new and certainly ingrained. In high school back in the 80's, pretty much everyone in my courses cheated (NMB Senior, Class of 88). I never once cheated, ever, and it was galling to watch them walk away week after week with A's and 100's even though I and many others knew that it was unearned. Even simple things -- an art class self portrait (the cheaters asked the more artistic folks to draw for them), a take home physics exam (Mr. Sturgelewski's class) was copied from person to person, a children's book in English class (someone even copied Curious George and handed it in) -- was not immune. These are the cheats and liars that are in business and law now.

    6. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One of the problems with Capitalism is it can force Managers to compete with each other to screw everyone; their employee's, customers and ultimately the environment; the best. The classic method of constraining it has always been to involve government. For example; The Red Triangle fire resulted in 120 Americans dieing on the 8th floor of a high-rise factory floor from a fire that started on the 10th; the bosses surmised they only needed a few buckets of water in the corner, locked their workers in, and weren't around to let them out when the fire started. The result of this was a "general strike" and hundreds of laborers unionizing overnight as everyone came to the realization they were putting up with something they aught not to put up with.

      The lesson here is, if management and labor don't work together, neither of them will be employed for long. The pride of management blinds them to the obvious dangers they place labor, and ultimately themselves, at, and labor if they follow management down the rabbit hole will lead inevitably and invariably to injury.

      I work at a company run by lawyers, they're always fighting over the slightest nuance of communication instead of looking at what's really going on; a infrastructure built with products promised to last decades but because foreigners cut corners as there was no real repricussion for doing so, thus it is in decay. An entire generation retiring oblivious to the peril management has placed their pensions in. Men Dieing or getting injured in the field from too many hours of overtime worked. Managers putting in 16hr shifts because their managers need to feel like the lower managers are "with them". Accountants oblivious to all of the above.

    7. Re:My Theory by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

      People tend to think that everything like this is unique to it. Well once people get out into the real world and see what happens, they quickly realize that cheating happens everywhere. Or that a politician must be a huckster to compete, I'm guessing they've never seen european politics or canadian, or hell japanese. From my own neck of the woods, take a look at Dalton McGuinty probably one of the biggest liars, cheats and scum suckers since Bob Rae. And one that's successfully ensured that Ontario will be paying through the nose for electricity. Despite claiming that hydro prices will go down.

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    8. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete.

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

      Great example of the level of discourse in the USA today. Let me point out the pattern:

      Thinking person: In the USA this problem is evident to me.

      Knee-jerk apologist: You said the rest of the world is better than the USA! You are a bad person and not a patriot! We can ignore your point and concentrate on how evil the rest of the world is because they all have this problem at least as bad!

      Thinking person: Wait, what? I never mentioned any other country because I live in the USA and am not prepared to comment on other cultures I only know from hearsay!

      KJ apologist: Fuck you traitor! Go live in Sweden/Iraq/Russia/Somalia since you like Socialism/Arabs/Commies/pickaninnies so much!

      Thinking person: .......

    9. Re:My Theory by icebike · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should have some reward for people who rat on cheaters. All the students seem to know who the cheaters are, but nobody wants to be a rat.

      Considering the number of students involved in cheating, it would be like ratting out your local thug gang.
      Someone is bound to take revenge.

      This whole tendency to suffer any injustice and never speak up will probably be the downfall of civilization.

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    10. Re:My Theory by VAElynx · · Score: 2

      Indeed.
      Take Silvana Koch-Mehrin , the german EU politician who had plagiarised her graduating thesis (having before waved on about how she manages being a mother, an active politician and an academician at the same time, well, amusing how that turned out to be) , and was kicked out of function for it.... only to be appointed on the EU commission for research and industry.

    11. Re:My Theory by Sique · · Score: 2

      And what makes you think, that this culture has developed in the U.S.?
      In fact, it's never been different. The notion that morally flawed deeds get rewarded while good behaviour doesn't is so old, that many religions incorporated concepts about a later reward for the good ones and a later punishment for the evil in their systems of faith, because reality seems not fair enough to us. And through the times you find cultural pessimists who complain and whine how bad it has become. It's one of the recurring themes of the world (others being the children being worse and worse educated and only interested in partying and being lazy and the death of real art and their replacement by cheap, uncreative and superficial knockoffs).
      Thus let me assure you: We invented better and better methods to minimize those problems. We call them laws, investigations, public scrutinity, accountability and responsibility. They are not perfect, they are as flawed as we as humans are. But we are improving.

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    12. Re:My Theory by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      Look at Lance Armstrong. Do you think *nobody* in his inner circle knew he was doping? Sure they did. But they also knew fame and fortune would come from Armstrong's wins, and they could bask in that to considerable benefit.

      They were also harassed, threatened, and sued every time they did accuse him of doping. There have been a lot of people who knew, who accused him of it over the last 10 years.

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    13. Re:My Theory by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The heartening result is that Harvard takes cheating seriously. They suspended about 60 students over it and a bunch of others are on probation -- probably because they couldn't prove those students cheated.

      You call that 'serious'?

      Harvard admits somewhere in the range of 5-6 percent of those who apply. Even if we assume that the bottom 75% or so of the applicant pool are just deluded optimists, Harvard could replace its entire class two or three times over with people who would love to have been admitted. If they were remotely serious, they could have banhammered everyone involved in cheating and called it a day. Instead they are being 'temporarily asked to leave'. That's crazy lenient given how trivial it would be to replace them, and how meaningful a degree from Harvard is supposed to be.

    14. Re:My Theory by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      It's cute that you want to make this a liberal-only issue. Clearly, god-fearing conservatives never have a faulty moral compass. I just get confused when I read stories about clergy exposed for molesting children and their churches spending all their effort on covering it up rather than fixing the problem. I get more confused when I read about gerrymandering, affairs, and kickbacks related to Republicans.

      Let me help you: cheating and lying are endemic to our culture as a whole. It is not limited to particular groups as you would like to believe.

      This shouldn't come as any surprise. It's simple evolution: the bad guy who doesn't get caught, wins. The bad guy who does get caught but only gets a slap on the wrist wins. If the risk versus reward equation comes out so that the unethical course of action is always a winning proposition, we shouldn't act surprised when people act unethically. The truly unfortunate thing is that those in a position to change the balance of that equation are the same cheats and liars who benefit most from sitting on their hands.

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    15. Re:My Theory by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      One of the problems with Capitalism is it can force Managers to compete with each other to screw everyone; their employee's, customers and ultimately the environment; the best. The classic method of constraining it has always been to involve government.

      The result of this was a "general strike" and hundreds of laborers unionizing overnight as everyone came to the realization they were putting up with something they aught not to put up with.

      This isn't an example of government intervention; this is an example of capitalism working. Unionisation isn't anti-capitalistic; governmental backing of unionisation (making use of strikebreakers illegal, etc) may be anti-capitalist, but no more than governmental backing of companies (LLCs, laws promulgated via lobbyists, etc).

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    16. Re:My Theory by happyhamster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      offtopic shameless repuglican TROLL.

  2. Does anyone not cheat anymore? by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    Sports figures, politicians, business leaders, Ivy college students... all cheat to get what they want. At least Beyonce wouldn't lie to us. Oh, wait...

  3. Now thats FUNNY by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ha-vahd students too lazy and ignorant to get a clue about Congress. What will they do when Daddy buys them a seat? (besides feel up the interns?)

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    1. Re:Now thats FUNNY by Enry · · Score: 2

      I work for Harvard (but not FAS, another school), but getting into FAS is no longer strictly about having money or connections. A large portion of the students that go there get some sort of financial aid, and a family making less than $120k gets a massive amount of financial aid if they are accepted.

      FAS Financial Aid Office

  4. Ummm. by Skiron · · Score: 2

    1+1=2 they all had. Obviously cheats.

  5. First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No wonder.. take home exams... open book exams.. what do you expect from the low level colleges... Then it actually hit me that this is Harvard.edu we are talking about.

    I guess I was just lucky to finish eng and comp sci from a place where they filtered us from 450 in first year to 5 with diplomas in fourth, without ANY of this open-book-exam nonsense.

    Then again, I'm unemployed at the time and work is tough to find... if I only went for a bigger name university... had the grades, didn't have the money... ah the ways of the world :)

    1. Re:First reaction was... by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The funny thing (sad thing?) is how lenient the punishments were. Suspension? At my school, a lowly community college, cheating usually results in expulsion, with a 0 in the course being the minimum consequence.

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    2. Re:First reaction was... by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      well sure your community college does not have an outraged parent who just cut a $45k check to answer to; there is little in the way of them having standards.

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    3. Re:First reaction was... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Truly poor people pay no tuition, true. I'm not sure what the room and board policy is (fairly safe bet it's not cheap) nor about books, etc., but even if they are covered there are substantial costs associated with college that do not have to do with the college itself, such as transportation to and from (e.g., dorms aren't open over holidays). Most students in that situation are better off taking a proper full ride from a slightly lesser school, since it will not be taken out from under them if they or their parents make some extra money one year (unlike need-based aid, which will be affected by expected family and student contribution).

      Yes, I was admitted, no, I didn't go, and that is why. I needed security, something my parents were ill equipped to provide. Why do you think high expectations Asian father macros (just making a point, I'm not from an Asian or immigrant family) all talk about med school or engineering? Reliable professional jobs are a great place for middle class kids with brains; they can send their own kids to the big name schools. Was it the right choice? I aimed too low for my lesser school and although I made about $5000 a year from excess scholarship money and graduated without debt I probably could have gotten the same offer from a better place, so it is hard to tell - but then I make mid six figures in an area with a very low cost of living, so it's not like I ended up in the gutter.

    4. Re:First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You realise that open-book exams give a lecturer a much better insight of what students have actually learned, rather than what they remember from cramming the night before? Open-book exams test insights. If you can recite of the books and other literature for a course, but you never actually did anything, you're highly likely to fail it. Fact memorisation exams don't show that you learned something: rather, they show you memorised things: most students tend to forget those things before the next semester is over. And then you have to teach it to them all over again when they need it.

    5. Re:First reaction was... by Cederic · · Score: 2

      In the UK we call them 'papers' and 'essays'. Write 1250 words describing X.

      Exams on the other hand are exams. They don't ask you to repeat facts, they require you to demonstrate understanding of the underlying concepts, approaches and context. No memorisation needed, just a clear understanding of the subject.

    6. Re:First reaction was... by quarterbuck · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe some of the students were indeed expelled.
      The case is more complicated than simply copying.
      1) This class used to be easy, but this year it was very hard
      2) A lot of athletes etc. got in the class so that they could pass. When it was tough they panicked
      3) They went to teaching assistants with questions about "interpreting" the exam. The TA's helped them freely. This was considered cheating in exams and resulted in suspensions.
      4) Some cheated outright. Many resulted in expulsions with grades for the year getting set to zero and tuition for the year being refunded.
      5) A few students copied class notes, but did not copy in the exam. This was looked at on a case by case basis and resulted in punishments (some expelled, some not)

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    7. Re:First reaction was... by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      There's a study compiled each year that ranks schools based on value, the ratio of tuition paid versus the amount a graduate can expect to earn. Usually it's the Big State Us that give that value, since they have the Research I cred but also receive some state funding to keep tuition costs down. The Harvard brand name on a degree can tack on an extra $10,000/year for the starting salary, but if someone had to fork out over a hundred thousand dollars in student loans, it'll be ten years before they recoup that cost, and by then the earnings will have evened out with graduates from other colleges.

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  6. Hmm by koan · · Score: 2

    Anyone else looked at the syllabus for some of these classes? I was looking at one online and I thought it looked more like it belonged in a community college.
    I was surprised at the poor quality of classes I found, maybe actually being there in the class with the other 150 students makes a difference.

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    1. Re:Hmm by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      There's this weird worship for big American universities. In some cases they have excellent research and graduate programs but undergrad is undergrad. Except where you're paying big bucks and being a "legacy" makes some kind of difference. In that case there's a profit motive to make things easy enough for everybody to do well.

  7. Cheating in Congress by HybridST · · Score: 5, Funny

    The course is Government 1310: "Introduction to Congress" so I'd think cheating was required.

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  8. Vice Presidential material! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    For sure!

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  9. Not Surprising by RearNakedChoke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new generation of kids cheat as if that's how things get done.

    I was talking to a 15 year old kid, how his grades suffered because he decided he wasn't going to cheat anymore. He admitted he previously cheated freely and openly, without shame. Why? EVERYONE cheated, so there was no shame in it. But he realized that cheating was shortsighted and sooner or later, he would have to actually learn stuff. So he resolved to stop cheating, but at the cost of his previous good grades.

    HE is an encouraging example. But the rest of his classmates aren't. Cheating is the norm and our future is screwed.

  10. Being Caught is Unforgivable by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    Harvard, Yale, etc. are the source of our leaders -- our elites -- and as we all know the first rule of an elite is to never get caught screwing the little guy.

    Clearly these esteemed institutions have failed in their mission.

  11. Details would be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One has to be careful with these sorts of stories. A few years back at my University, newspapers went wild when an entire engineering ethics class was given an F for cheating. The reality of it? The professor gave no instructions on how to properly cite things, gave an assignment, and 'taught everyone a lesson' by failing them all for plagiarism when they didn't follow the exact standards of reference citing. These were engineers- imagine how little they know or care about perfection in reference citing. Nobody was intending to cheat the system, except for a professor who wanted to make some kind of point, by ruining the GPAs of a hundred students.

    In this situation, I see certain similarities- one professor, one paper, and few details.

    1. Re:Details would be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here are some details, from the various Harvard Crimson articles on the topic.

      The cheating occurred on a take-home exam. The instructions for the exam stated that it was open notes, open book, and open Internet, but that talking to other people about the exam was forbidden.

      The exam was a different format from previous years' final exams. Previously, the only questions on the exams had been essay questions. This year, short-answer questions were added to the exam. Many students thought the short-answer questions were more difficult than the essay questions. In fact, in previous years, the course had been widely regarded as easy, in part because of the easy exams, but students in the year in question did not find it to be easy. Many students also thought the short-answer questions were confusing. During the period in which the exam was assigned, the professor sent out at least one email providing clarification on the short-answer questions due to mass confusion.

      After the exams were collected, it was noted that many students turned in very similar answers on the short-answer questions. This suggested that they had collaborated, in violation of the exam instructions.

    2. Re:Details would be nice... by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      What is entirely possible is that they all found the same paragraph in the text book that seemed to answer the question, and paraphrased it in the same way.

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    3. Re:Details would be nice... by Palinchron · · Score: 2

      The professor gave no instructions on how to properly cite things, gave an assignment, and 'taught everyone a lesson' by failing them all for plagiarism when they didn't follow the exact standards of reference citing.

      How does that work, exactly? Not following the citation standards is not plagiarism. As long as a person denotes in any way whatsoever that a given thought / phrasing is not his own, it is not plagiarism, no matter how wrong the form or how limited the information in this declaration. It doesn't matter if the title of the original book, or the publisher, or hell even the author's name is missing -- as long as one writes "this is not mine" it is not plagiarism. It may not meet the requirements set by the course and therefore warrant a failing grade, but academic honesty violations are out of the question.

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  12. Take-home exams? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    on a handful of take-home exams

    There's your problem right there.

    I wonder why oral exams aren't more common in the United States. When I came to do graduate studies in Europe, they really forced me to shape up and learn my stuff. Not only do they make cheating impossible, but when you are judged on how fast you provide the answer, you also internalize it better.

    Sure, written exams are the norm for science fields where one must note down specialist notation like mathematics or chemistry, but in the humanities -- and the "political science" of this article -- they seem an excellent way of judging student progress.

    1. Re:Take-home exams? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Graduate studies in North America make use of oral exams as well.

      Nobody wants to listen to a thousand undergrads stumble over the same questions.

  13. Make some calls Daddy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see some new, expensive buildings being donated to Harvard in the near future.

  14. When cultural icons like Lance Armstrong .... by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look, how surprising is this really? I'd say about as surprising as the sun rising. Our cultural icons don't just cheat (think performance enhancing drugs) but when they are caught the repercussions are so minor (at least as portrayed by the media) that it makes cheating almost mandatory because everyone does it and when things are competitive or, say, graded on a curve, you're kind of screwed into following suit.

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  15. Re:Completely Predictable by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Few and far between are the people who will play fair, to their own potential detriment, when able to get away with it and competing against others who do not play fair.

    Even fewer are those who will continue to do this after the first few times. After a while you begin to believe that the real rules and the stated ones have little to do with each other, and anyone following the stated rules isn't any more moral or ethical or in any way better; they're just a chump.

  16. Most Students Don't Cheat by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Actually most students do not cheat. While the number of cheating incidents is sadly on the rise - probably by about a factor of 2-3 since I started as a prof 10 years ago - the vast majority of university students do not cheat. So while it is always bad to hear of cases like this it is worth getting a little perspective: many students work extremely hard for their degrees and we should not devalue that because some idiots insist on cheating.

    1. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by ogrizzo · · Score: 2

      When I was a graduate student at Brown in the 90s, we gave it as a fact that students would have been cheating in hw assignments, so that the largest part of the final grade had to come from written examinations. On the other hand, we had to give HW assignments some influence on final grade, otherwise most students would have skipped them. 5% sounded about right.

  17. They Cheated on a Take-Home Exam by pscottdv · · Score: 2

    Who could have seen that coming?

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  18. Their real error by rknop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Getting caught!

    Our colleges are supposed to train our students to succeed in society. That means, we need to wee out the ones who are going to get caught when they cheat. The truly successful in our society are the ones who cheat without getting caught.

    I feel so cynical today.

  19. Take the course on line by Animats · · Score: 2

    You can take this course on line. for $1,045 to $2000. At Harvard, I would have expected "Introduction to Congress" to be taught by an former member of Congress, but it's just an ordinary instructor.

    I'm watching the first video. At the beginning, the instructor says that all you need to know to start this course is that "Congress" exists. At 00:02:35, he's talking about the proposal to change the rules to prevent filibusters from stalling Congress (only the Senate, actually). The speaker is interesting, but if you don't already know a lot about American politics and the structure of Congress, you'll be totally lost.

  20. Re:No by Cederic · · Score: 2

    Or maybe - just possibly - the Ivy League universities continually turn out entrepreneurs because they teach the same material better.

    Maybe it's because they foster a culture of exploration and innovation.

    Maybe it's because people are surrounded by other self-starters.

    Maybe it's because people wanting to kick something new off have access to wealthy individuals.

    It's definitely there, I suspect it's a combination of several of those things, and I know that if I were seeking a university in the US I'd be applying straight to MIT and fuck the cost.

    But I went to university in the UK, at one of the top five business schools in the world (when I was there - only in the top 20 or so now). I did fuck all on my degree but gained skills I'm still using personally and professionally two decades later.

    A university education is almost nothing to do with the details of the subject matter.

  21. CTTDBRATO by kreyg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't Tell The Difference Between Reality And The Onion.

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  22. Take Home Exam. What could possibly go wrong? by icebike · · Score: 2

    Plus logic dictates that with this number of people it's not the first time it ever happened.

    When you realize that the discovery was made because of:

    similarities on a handful of take-home exams in his spring course Government 1310

    you have to wonder if this professor was clueless, idealistic, or engaged in an "honesty" research project of some kind.

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  23. Re:Oral exams? by rotenberry · · Score: 2

    You wonder why oral exams are not more common?

    There were 279 students enrolled in this class. Assuming a ten minute oral exam for each and two minutes to grade the answers it takes 55.8 hours to examine all the students. This oral exam would take at least two weeks in a 14 week semester, and ten minutes is really too little time to judge the work of an entire semester.

    If anyone other than the professor grades the student, then they cry foul.

    If the exams begin in the fifth week of the 14 week semester, the students examined last cry foul since they must study significantly more material.

    There should be only twenty students in a class? Good luck with that. I suppose you could raise tuition and hire more professors or have the classes taught by lecturers.

    Actually, in the USA most classes are taught by lecturers, and the classes are still huge.